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Title: Mass murder ... 'normal' --- in world without God
Source: wnd.com
URL Source: http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/mass-mur ... world-without-god/?cat_orig=us
Published: Jul 24, 2012
Author: Ray Comfort
Post Date: 2012-07-24 15:58:18 by BorisY
Keywords: reprobates, reprobates, reprobates
Views: 7001
Comments: 26

Mass murder 'normal' in world without God

Ray Comfort explains why the 'Joker' pulled the trigger

WASHINGTON – The press is eagerly hunting clues as to why James “the Joker” Holmes murdered 12 people and injured dozens more in a shooting attack at an Aurora, Colo., movie theater where people had gathered to see the latest Batman movie.

But they’re not likely to find them, says evangelist-author Ray Comfort – because they’re looking in all the wrong places.

“This latest alleged mass murderer isn’t so easy to peg,” says Comfort, author of the new book “Hitler, God and the Bible.” “He came from a good home, in a good area, and he had a good education. But those who ask ‘What went wrong?’ are asking the wrong question. It should rather be ‘What is wrong?’ The biblical worldview isn’t that anything went wrong. Here was a normal sinful human being involved in an evil act of murder. The Scriptures tell ‘The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked’ (Jer. 17:9), and that no one is morally good in God’s eyes.”

Comfort continues: “However, the humanistic worldview is radically different. It says that no one is born with a sinful (evil) nature. All human beings are inherently good, and when someone goes off the rails, there must be some mitigating factor – he was bullied, was a loner, had an abusive father, or a dominant mother, etc. While some of these are serious issues, millions of people get through them without going out and killing other people.”

In other words, in a world without God, mass murder would be normal.

“The day before the mass shooting, I had lunch with a pastor who shared how God had saved him while he was in prison.” said Comfort. “He had been given three years, and he was so depressed he was placed in a suicide cell with five other men. During the night he awoke to see one of the other prisoners hanging by his neck with his fellow inmates urging him on, saying, ‘Go, go, go … you can do it!’ It reminded me of the time I read of crowds calling, ‘Jump! Do it!’ to a suicidal man as he stood on a ledge on a high building.”

In preparation for a sequel to “Hitler, God and the Bible,” Comfort is working on a book called “The Beatles, God and the Bible” and a movie about John Lennon. In preparation he has been interviewing people to ask if they would murder for $10,000. While most say they wouldn’t, some would.

“When I questioned those who refused, it usually came back to being morally responsible to God for murder,” said Comfort. “However, any real fear of God is slowly dissipating from our nation. I would dare to say that there are many who love violent video games and violent movies, who would like to know what it feels like to kill another human being. But they don’t carry out their fantasy because of the fear of retribution from civil law.”

Comfort explains that when the biblical premise of man being evil by nature is forsaken, a criminal isn’t responsible for his crimes, other than those imposed by the state – which are temporal. In many societies today individuals are no longer considered responsible for what they do – good or bad. Barack Obama recently explained that businessmen are not responsible for the businesses they built. Likewise, on the negative side, societal conditions and life’s circumstances are often blamed for violent crimes.

“Imagine how wicked society would be if the fear of God and the fear of civil law were both completely removed,” said Comfort. “Imagine if a man could rape and murder, with no concerns about being punished? That’s when we would see the true heart of humanity, and that’s where we as a nation are slowly heading.”

With the rejection of God by more and more Americans, Comfort expects to see an exponential escalation of Auroras.

“We have turned our backs on God, and given Him lip-service by maintaining a belief in His existence and at the same time embracing that which is abhorrent to Him; things such as homosexual marriage, abortion, adultery, fornication, pornography, lying, theft and blasphemy.” said Comfort. “Few have any fear of God, which the Bible says is the ‘beginning’ of wisdom. A wise man once said, ‘Most I fear God. Next I fear him who fears Him not.’ When someone doesn’t fear God, they give themselves to evil. This was clearly the case in the latest mass murder.”

So what’s the answer?

“The only answer is the Gospel,” says Comfort. “Christians must share their faith in obedience to the Great Commission, because we are only seeing the fruit of sin this side of death. There’s another side, and it’s on what many call ‘the other side.’ There’s a very real Hell after death for anyone who dies in sin. Yet God is rich in mercy and has provided a Savior. All who repent and trust in Him not only find everlasting life, but they no longer give themselves to evil by lying, stealing, or killing. That’s the only answer for America – and every other nation.”

See all of Ray Comfort’s books and videos in the Ray Comfort department of the WND Superstore.


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#1. To: BorisY (#0)

“We have turned our backs on God, and given Him lip-service by maintaining a belief in His existence and at the same time embracing that which is abhorrent to Him; things such as homosexual marriage, abortion, adultery, fornication, pornography, lying, theft and blasphemy.” said Comfort. “Few have any fear of God, which the Bible says is the ‘beginning’ of wisdom. A wise man once said, ‘Most I fear God. Next I fear him who fears Him not.’ When someone doesn’t fear God, they give themselves to evil. This was clearly the case in the latest mass murder.”

What a great quote. Ray Comfort is very good at challenging the beliefs of secular humanists.

Sin and God cannot occupy the same "space".

Zesta  posted on  2012-07-24   16:20:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: BorisY (#0) (Edited)

See the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Militant Islam, extremist West Bank Israelis, and Jim Jones for a rebuttal.

People who are absolutely convinced that God is on their side can perform acts against their fellow man that are just as horrific as unbelievers.


"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)

jwpegler  posted on  2012-07-24   16:25:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: jwpegler (#2)

trees - forest ...

forest fires ---

is that all you see !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2012-07-24   16:36:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: jwpegler (#2) (Edited)

People who are absolutely convinced that God is on their side can perform acts against their fellow man that are just as horrific as unbelievers.

See the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Militant Islam, extremist West Bank Israelis, and Jim Jones for a rebuttal.

Including "Jim Jones" in your list was a nice touch to your lame rebuttal. You're absurd of course... God IS on the "side" of righteousness, you moral relativist heathen. SOME of us believe in that absolute of righteousness. It's YOUR ilk who believe the Ten Commandments (and not The Ten Suggestions) are irrelevant to maintaining order and respect for their fellow man. Not so much the Secular Humanists who've managed to hijack the respective morals, ethics and cultures of both Europe and the USA.

Answer me this riddle, Pegman: When was the last time an Evangelical-Protestant "Jesus-Freak" went on a "horrific" murder rampage, Sparky? Or as a group imposed their will on a population by the sword?

Here's what Ray Comfort says about our state of morality (and try to rebut ANY one of his points. IF you can):

“We have turned our backs on God, and given Him lip-service by maintaining a belief in His existence and at the same time embracing that which is abhorrent to Him; things such as homosexual marriage, abortion, adultery, fornication, pornography, lying, theft and blasphemy.” said Comfort. “Few have any fear of God, which the Bible says is the ‘beginning’ of wisdom. A wise man once said, ‘Most I fear God. Next I fear him who fears Him not.’ When someone doesn’t fear God, they give themselves to evil. This was clearly the case in the latest mass murder.”

Here's the title: Mass murder 'normal' in world without God

Ray Comfort is 110% correct. But you're going to ask, "That does depend whose 'God' it is, doesn't it?"; I would submit that he is referring to the very same God the Founders of THIS nation worshiped.

Liberator  posted on  2012-07-24   17:34:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: BorisY, jwpegler (#3)

trees - forest ...

forest fires ---

is that all you see !

I don't think he even sees that far.

Even the irreligious can plainly see that with no God or "Universal Karmic Force" or "Creator's" Rules to respect or account to, anarchy reigns. And wasn't that exactly both the situation and the "entertainment" venue of Batman?

Liberator  posted on  2012-07-24   17:42:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Zesta, redleghunter (#1)

What a great quote. Ray Comfort is very good at challenging the beliefs of secular humanists.

Yes, he is.

I'd like to see him challenge someone like Richard Dawkins.

Sin and God cannot occupy the same "space".

Neither can Satan and God ;-)

Liberator  posted on  2012-07-24   17:45:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Liberator (#4) (Edited)

you... moral relativist heathen... Secular Humanists... hijack the respective morals, ethics and cultures of both Europe and the USA...

What a fucking rant.

SOME of us believe in that absolute of righteousness

One can be a Christian and still have a healthy skepticism that their particular interpretation of Christianity is not the absolutely correct one. If that skepticism doesn't exist, then they can be just as dangerous as people who absolutely believe in communism, the master race, or any thing else.

My statement stands -- people who absolutely believe that god is on their side are capable of committing acts just as heinous as the non-religious. History is full of examples.


"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)

jwpegler  posted on  2012-07-24   19:42:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Liberator (#4)

When was the last time an Evangelical-Protestant went on a "horrific" murder rampage, Sparky? Or as a group imposed their will on a population by the sword?

Do you mean like the KKK?

Or Timothy McVeigh?

Or Evangelical Protestants (like Michael Griffin, Rev. Paul Jennings Hill, John Salvi, Eric Robert Rudolph, James Charles Kopp, Scott Roeder, etc.) who murdered abortion doctors?

Do you want me to list more???

How about Protestant Witch Hunting between the 15th and 18th Centuries?

Please, don't sit here and tell us that Evangelical Protestants are incapable of being every bit as nasty as anyone else, because it's bullshit.


"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)

jwpegler  posted on  2012-07-24   20:03:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: jwpegler (#7)

One can be a Christian and still have a healthy skepticism that their particular interpretation of Christianity is not the absolutely correct one. If that skepticism doesn't exist, then they can be just as dangerous as people who absolutely believe in communism, the master race, or any thing else.

Are you suggesting Ray Comfort's "interpretation" of the Bible is...the wrong interpretation?

Your presumptive moral equivalence of those who believe in the God of the Bible and His Judgment, vs. Everyone Else still makes no sense, and is irrational by any measure of intellectual honesty.

Comfort's point isn't even debatable - unless your idea of "God" is Allah or Satan....or a Tree.

Liberator  posted on  2012-07-24   20:26:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: jwpegler (#8)

Charles Kopp,

American hero. Rudolph too if he didn't do the olympic bombing.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-07-24   20:28:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: jwpegler (#8)

And the guy who killed Tiller. He should get a blue ribbon.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-07-24   20:29:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: jwpegler (#8) (Edited)

When was the last time an Evangelical-Protestant went on a "horrific" murder rampage, Sparky? Or as a group imposed their will on a population by the sword?

Do you mean like the KKK?

Oh...you mean cuz the KKK painted crosses on their hood, they were "Christian"?? Bwaahaaa!! That must make Madonna and Marilyn Manson "Christian" too, eh?

Or Timothy McVeigh?

Sorry, NOT a "Christian" (NOTE: a Christian" adheres to the doctrine and gospel of Jesus Christ - GET IT?)

Or Evangelical Protestants (like Michael Griffin, Rev. Paul Jennings Hill, John Salvi, Eric Robert Rudolph, James Charles Kopp, Scott Roeder, etc.) who murdered abortion doctors?

Were they all mass murderers?

Even so, could it be argued that the baby-killing abortionists they killed were murderers?

How about Protestant Witch Hunting between the 15th and 18th Centuries?

Lol, 300-500 years ago. Look a bit harder in the corners and under the bed. Again, "Christian" doctrine and Gospel is NOT followed in these comically small and desperate citations.

Please, don't sit here and tell us that Evangelical Protestants are incapable of being every bit as nasty as anyone else, because it's bullshit.

As a group? Don't be an idiot. Hey - YOU'RE the retard making the ridiculous broad-sweeping claim, "People who are absolutely convinced that God is on their side can perform acts against their fellow man that are just as horrific as unbelievers."

Individually ANY person of faith can snap. But the nature of Believers is to recognize wrong and evil...and consider the wrath of God and His Judgment. OTOH, heathens and atheists are far 99% more capable since you have no "authority" to answer to. The odds of your claim of madmen Evangelical Protestants group committing "horrific" crimes collectively is about 100 million to one...Individually, the odds are also quite low - barring demon possession, drugs, or insanity.

Liberator  posted on  2012-07-24   20:48:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A K A Stone (#11)

Not that I would do so, but it could be argued that by taking baby-executioners out, it is saving life.

Liberator  posted on  2012-07-24   20:54:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: jwpegler (#7)

My statement stands -- people who absolutely believe that god is on their side are capable of committing acts just as heinous as the non-religious.

Your statement stands alright - as a monument to stupidity and ignorance.

History is full of examples.

Yeah, I noticed that from your extensive research and citations...

*snicker*

Liberator  posted on  2012-07-24   20:58:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Liberator (#12)

As a group?

I don't deal in group-think like you.

I deal with people as individuals.


"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)

jwpegler  posted on  2012-07-25   9:35:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Liberator (#9) (Edited)

Are you suggesting Ray Comfort's "interpretation" of the Bible is...the wrong interpretation?

He's an American Evangelical. Of course his interpretation is wrong. It was connoted by John Darby in the 19th century and spread through America in the early 20th century on the back of the Pentecostal movement. Then it infected other largely American denominations like the Baptists. Much of what he believes in wrong.


"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)

jwpegler  posted on  2012-07-25   9:38:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: jwpegler, Liberator (#8)

Do you mean like the KKK?

Or Timothy McVeigh?

Or Evangelical Protestants (like Michael Griffin, Rev. Paul Jennings Hill, John Salvi, Eric Robert Rudolph, James Charles Kopp, Scott Roeder, etc.) who murdered abortion doctors?

Do you want me to list more???

How about Protestant Witch Hunting between the 15th and 18th Centuries?

Please, don't sit here and tell us that Evangelical Protestants are incapable of being every bit as nasty as anyone else, because it's bullshit.

Hi JW. You have listed some really significant history. Let me be the first to confirm that Ray Comfort is no where near or even in the same galaxy with the murderers you posted above. In fact Ray spends most of his time pointing out historical examples of people and movements that USE the Bible wrongly and incompletely, which leads to fear, anger and death. Here is one example:

www.youtube.com/watch? v=7y2KsU_dhwI

The above is a bit long (33 min) and produced by Ray Comfort. So if you are honest, you will watch it and should conclude Ray Comfort is no KKK anti- abortion sniper killer.

All that you posted in the quote box is true except for McVeigh. He never professed to be a Christian. Even so all of the above you posted are not Christians given they do not meet the standards set forth by Jesus Christ and His apostles. Any small deviation from the true Gospel preached by The Master and His apostles is false and leads to sin, leads to hate and violence.

I hope you enjoy the video.

God Bless,

RLH

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-07-25   13:39:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: redleghunter (#17)

Let me be the first to confirm that Ray Comfort is no where near or even in the same galaxy with the murderers you posted above.

I never suggested he was.

I'm merely pointing out that all murderers are not unbelievers and sometimes people do murder in the name of god.


"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)

jwpegler  posted on  2012-07-25   14:45:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: jwpegler (#18)

I'm merely pointing out that all murderers are not unbelievers and sometimes people do murder in the name of god.

I think we approach the issue differently. I am a Christian. I am at peace with God, which empowers me to be at peace with fellow man. Those that belong to the Good Shepherd hear His Voice and listen to Him. Those that claim to be of the Good Shepherd and do murder in His name, do not belong to the Good Shepherd but to the adversary, the devil. So all those horrible things we know of, a name may be invoked but the works are not done in the only Name. That is why I posted the 180 movie for review. Ray Comfort points out that Hitler actually used portions of the Bible to "justify" his actions. Ray points out this has been done throughout history wrongly and truly not in God's Name.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-07-25   15:15:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Zesta (#1)

“We have turned our backs on God, and given Him lip-service by maintaining a belief in His existence and at the same time embracing that which is abhorrent to Him; things such as homosexual marriage, abortion, adultery, fornication, pornography, lying, theft and blasphemy.” said Comfort. “Few have any fear of God, which the Bible says is the ‘beginning’ of wisdom. A wise man once said, ‘Most I fear God. Next I fear him who fears Him not.’ When someone doesn’t fear God, they give themselves to evil. This was clearly the case in the latest mass murder.” What a great quote. Ray Comfort is very good at challenging the beliefs of secular humanists.

Sin and God cannot occupy the same "space".

Yes, Ray has a way with words to smack that ball out of the ballpark.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-07-25   15:17:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: BorisY (#0)

Comfort explains that when the biblical premise of man being evil by nature is forsaken, a criminal isn’t responsible for his crimes, other than those imposed by the state – which are temporal. In many societies today individuals are no longer considered responsible for what they do – good or bad. Barack Obama recently explained that businessmen are not responsible for the businesses they built. Likewise, on the negative side, societal conditions and life’s circumstances are often blamed for violent crimes.

The above about sums it up.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-07-25   16:27:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: BorisY, SJN, rowdee, Liberator (#0)

“The only answer is the Gospel,” says Comfort. “Christians must share their faith in obedience to the Great Commission, because we are only seeing the fruit of sin this side of death. There’s another side, and it’s on what many call ‘the other side.’ There’s a very real Hell after death for anyone who dies in sin. Yet God is rich in mercy and has provided a Savior. All who repent and trust in Him not only find everlasting life, but they no longer give themselves to evil by lying, stealing, or killing. That’s the only answer for America – and every other nation.”

I am glad the author of the article did not omit this quote.

It is always "time" to review the Greatest Story Ever Told:

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-07-25   16:33:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Mad Dog (#17)

This is a ping to a post that has a link to that video I mentioned to you. Its well worth the watching--and will affirm you were on the right path.

Shalom.

rowdee  posted on  2012-07-25   17:34:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: redleghunter (#19) (Edited)

Those that claim to be of the Good Shepherd and do murder in His name, do not belong to the Good Shepherd but to the adversary, the devil

Let me make a couple of points.

The host of this forum believes that the people who murdered abortion doctors are true heroes. He said so on this thread. Does he belong to the devil? I don't think so. I believe that A K A Stone is a real Christian. How about John Brown who murdered people to free slaves, and was hung as a terrorist? Did he belong to the devil as well?

You can't know what is in someone's heart.

My really simple point (that no one on this thread seems to understand) is there are all kinds of murderers in the world, including people who truly believe in god.

I'm an old adage kind of guy. One of my favorites is: "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".

Unfortunately, the author seems to think that if we just all believed in god, then everything will be fine. It's just not true. We are all infallible humans who are capable of doing horrific things, often times with the best of intentions -- especially when we think we are absolutely right.


"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)

jwpegler  posted on  2012-07-25   19:31:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: jwpegler (#24)

Unfortunately, the author seems to think that if we just all believed in god, then everything will be fine.

Man's history is littered with instances of evil being perpetrated on other men all in the name of God, and it will continue to happen no matter what you do... Now whether or not some of those men who did those horrible things "TRULY" believed in God remains to be seen....

Just because someone is religious doesn't mean they're righteous or moral... And just because someone isn't religious doesn't mean they can't be righteous or moral!!

Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….

CZ82  posted on  2012-07-26   7:13:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: CZ82 (#25)

Just because someone is religious doesn't mean they're righteous or moral... And just because someone isn't religious doesn't mean they can't be righteous or moral!!

Exactly right.


"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)

jwpegler  posted on  2012-07-26   9:26:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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