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Title: How Can Situations Like The Colorado Theatre Shooting Be Prevented?
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Published: Jul 24, 2012
Author: Dennis Marcellino
Post Date: 2012-07-24 08:00:32 by CZ82
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How Can Situations Like The Colorado Theatre Shooting Be Prevented? Written on Saturday, July 21, 2012 by Dennis Marcellino Why didn’t these things happen in the 1950’s? Why didn’t we need airport screenings then? Why didn’t people need to lock their house or car doors then? The answer is simple. There was more order then (especially in families) … which then naturally released more love and peace and security. I lived through it so I know that to be true personally. But a person can verify what I’m saying by listening to the music back then and watching the TV shows and movies. There was a different feeling in the air … even in the most impoverished communities. There was a patriotism in a country that we could be proud of and be united behind. Can we really be proud of today’s music and morals? Here’s what it boils down to. There is a greater tolerance for “sin” now. And the natural, inbred reaction to sin is anger … to “correct” it and to implement “justice.” But political correctness has not only forced people to swallow that sin, but they even are arrested or sued for trying to speak out against it. But then at some point it explodes … in situations like these and domestic violence, even to the point where adults murder their families. We’re seeing it more and more in the news, whereas I never saw it in the news when I was growing up. The immorality of today’s society has made it very difficult to create and maintain a good marriage and family. And the feelings tied to marriage and family are VERY powerful … and therefore the anger to correct also is great. The pressures of today are much greater. And pressure has to be released. But the love in a family helped people in the past. That’s why there weren’t a lot of gang murders, even in the black communities, where women were respected and people dressed nice and worked hard. But more than anything, God and His laws were respected above all else. But now we have rampant pornography and out of wedlock births. And those things tear at the family and cause the greatest pressure … in a person’s heart. So then a person either turns to violence or addictions to try to bring their internal experience to a good and not bad state. And poverty isn’t an excuse, because people were still generally civil even in the great depression. And in the Bible Paul says that he has learned to be content whether in poverty or riches. As a person who is devoted to God, I know that to also be true personally. I’m content in all situations JUST because I’m tied to and understand God. The solution is this: a happy heart doesn’t do violence. And the way to have a happy heart is to love and obey God and just be tied to people who do the same. It’s that simple. But the mainstream institutions constantly work to keep God out of the media and schools. So then kids are pressured to go along with the mainstream. So what can we do? Don’t vote for a democrat. That party is the party that promotes more and more tolerance to sin. And educate yourself and others to the realities that I’ve stated here.
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#81. To: sneakypete (#77)
I don'tknow that 'respect' is necessarily the word to use. But I do know that it helps if someonecan pique their interest or challenges them in such a way that they don't feel they've been put down because 'they're a kid'. And total strangers can do that--so that is why I quetion the word 'respect'.
I can't trust government. Even if I believed their intent was always good. Organizations like Boys Scouts and Girl Scouts and the mentors of Boys and Girls clubs, so long as they are heterosexual and non child abusers would work for me. Or a private doctor or nurse, given the same restrictions. I would accept church groups, but DEFINITELY with the same restrictions. Even private schools would be better, with the same restrictions, as anything government coul provide. And there is no correcting government schools--all they ever do is throw more money at them and hope it works...there is no concern for the kids.
Now that is funny, AKA!!!
Ok, if name calling is how you deal with this subject, I will ask again and we can both cut through the bull. In your mother's town where they killed babies who were deformed at birth: Do you or do you not support such actions?
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
Last time I checked, I looked both ways, did not get hit and have never run over or hit a "religious leader".
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
Ok, sorry a bit rough with Children of the Corn. Maybe Harvest Home with Betty Davis is more appropriate: As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
You clearly lay out why you support the wholesale murder of those who are deformed. Ridiculous. Why are you lying about what he said? Perhaps you have not been following Biff. So below are quotes from sneakypete, with a few posed questions from other posters to give context. All responses are pete's if you scroll up. Pete is also pinged. sneakypete posts on this thread regarding the smothering of children: Dee,the truth is this has always been done,ever since the dawn of time. There are only two differences. One real difference is in days of yore it was midwives smothering the babies,not doctors with a needle. That's why you didn't seem many deformed or crippled kids back in the 50's and earlier. They "died at birth". Working class people back then,especially ones in rural and farm communities just couldn't afford,in ANY sense of the word,a child that couldn't work and contribute to the family. Why wouldn't it be true? My own mother told me about this when I was a child. She had witnessed this happen when the older woman across the street gave birth to a monster back in the early 40's. She said the child was smothered at birth,and the woman who gave birth was told it was stillborn. So what? The truth is often ugly,which is why so many people lie. Granted,they are polite lies (you baby was stillborn) designed to spare someone's feelings,but lies none the less. Wrong. While there was no yowling involved,there damn sure would have been if some of those babies had been allowed to live,and that's not even addressing the burden caring for such a child would have laid on the family. Children with birth defects has no chance of providing for themselves. They were a luxury people just couldn't afford. On the other hand, I am sure your mom did the right thing and reported the murderous bitch who smothered the babies at birth. Yes,she did the right thing,and kept her mouth shut about it,just like women have done since the dawn of time. So you think these midwives were doing the family a favor by murdering their children? Of course. You are applying modern sensibilities to older realities,and feeling righteous about it. Tell us all about how YOU would take the food out of the mouth of a healthy child that was able to do the work necessary to help keep a family alive,to give it to a unhealthy/handicapped child that would never be anything but a burden on the family and the whole "tribe". XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX End of sneakypete's comments XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX So my RLH comment is this. I see no comments from SP stating this was a horrible act. In fact, he tells us above his mother did the right thing.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
The closest town was maybe a two day trip away at the time. This was a small village of maybe 50-75 people. Do you or do you not support such actions? Are you seriously asked me if I support actions taken by private individuals 60 or more years ago? Do you or do you not support bashing the brains of the babies of your enemies out against their city walls? After all,according to the Bible you believe in,that is what God told his soldiers to do,and you clearly follow your God.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
It's abundantly obvious why you are a true believer. You are too stupid to be anything else. Anything beyond blindly following orders would be too much of a mental stretch for you.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Yes, i see your point. However, i think sneaky is refusing to judge people of the past by todays standards, and youbare interpreting his refusal to judge as support. I see him talking about what was and what is with him understanding why they did it, rather than taking sides or showing support. I too refuse to judge them. I've been in bad situations in my life and been surprised and appalled by my decisions when i look back. I'm going to focus and spend my energy on me being better rather than standing in judgement of others. I'm not a good person. Now where near good enough to judge others decisions when they are in trouble.
. I think that's a fair question.
. That one gave me a chuckle. lol
I think that's a fair question. You have the living God giving you a command. HE knows the future. He has a plan. If the Jews would have merged with these people and let them live. It would probably have changed their culture and Gods plan. God knows good from evil. We don't always. Sneakypeter is not found of the people who founded this nation. Not fond of the founding values.
A fool has said in his heart there is no God. Pete you are a fool. Pitiful as you have been around long that you should know the good group from the bad group.
Yes you are, yes you are. Change that view and right now. /Dr. Phil
. I have never heard rational thought expressed better.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Ok,so you have a all-powerful God that wants to off a whole tribe of people that have pissed him off for some unknown reason or reasons,and instead of handing what would have surely been a simple matter for him (plague,locusts,turning them into salt,turning them into frogs,etc,etc,etc) he is so lazy and trifling he tells a tribe of Jews to do his dirty work for him? If this is true,how do you know he didn't get pissed off at the Jews and Gypsies in the 30's,and bring Hitler to power to eliminate them all? Your God,WADDA GUY! It's easy to see why you love him.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
/Dr. Phil You're ok,I'm ok,Biff's ok. Some of these other guys really suck,though.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
A clever way to change the subject. But if you must know, this is my belief: From Isaiah chapter 45: 9 “Woe to him who strives with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth! Shall the clay say to him who forms it, ‘What are you making?’ Or shall your handiwork say, ‘He has no hands’? 10 Woe to him who says to his father, ‘What are you begetting?’ Or to the woman, ‘What have you brought forth?’” 11 Thus says the Lord, The Holy One of Israel, and his Maker: “Ask Me of things to come concerning My sons; And concerning the work of My hands, you command Me. 12 I have made the earth, And created man on it. I—My hands—stretched out the heavens, And all their host I have commanded.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
I can sense your anger. It is a lie to think that a person does not "march" to the "orders" of Someone, someone or something. I choose to trust and obey God in what He has revealed to us. That is not blindly following, but in full knowledge of what has been revealed. You, from what I can read, trust and obey yourself. That is the difference.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
I see him talking about what was and what is with him understanding why they did it, rather than taking sides or showing support. I too refuse to judge them. I've been in bad situations in my life and been surprised and appalled by my decisions when i look back. I'm going to focus and spend my energy on me being better rather than standing in judgement of others. I'm not a good person. Now where near good enough to judge others decisions when they are in trouble. Biff, IMHO your post above is clear and honest. Thank you. My "but" to all this is history is full of examples of allowing murders and genocide by turning a blind eye. Perhaps I was looking at a small town in Somewhere USA, where midwives "did a favor" to mothers with deformed children and saw a historical example. Perhaps looking the other way and not judging the midwives is akin to the neighbors of Jews in Germany who heard the SS come for the Jews, cart them off and then heard the trains pull away. I mean, what could those German neighbors really do right? They either looked the other way knowing this was not quite right, or they could have asked a few questions and then be loaded on those trains too. I think my overarching point is, when do we stand up for the principles and morals we believe in. By doing or saying nothing, we condone the practices and IMO just as guilty.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
Biff, you hit that one out of the ball park. Meaning, many people go an entire life in denial thinking they are "good." I am on the same team, I am not a "good" person either. No one is good, no not one. That is why we need the Gospel.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
If this is true,how do you know he didn't get pissed off at the Jews and Gypsies in the 30's,and bring Hitler to power to eliminate them all? Your God,WADDA GUY! It's easy to see why you love him. Pete, I invite you to read again the Canaan campaigns in the book of Joshua. I say this because God clearly points out the reason/reasons. You will also find in Joshua that the Israelites did not go into battle alone. I understand this is an emotional issue for you by your statements. I am appealing to the sneakypete I know on LP to think critically and review the sources (Exodus and Joshua) and actually read what was said by God and compare it with your claims. On another note, if I offended the memory of your mother in any way I truly apologize. I did not mean to drag her specifically into this debate but point out the deplorable midwife practices and that someone should have defended the innocent.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
A clever way to change the subject. Clever? If you even understood what the word means you would understand the subjects are IDENTICAL. Namely things that happened in the past. If YOU expect ME to justify or make excuses for what happened 60 or so years ago,you have no moral standing to not be asked the same question and expected to respond BY YOUR OWN STANDARDS about things that happened 2000 or so years ago. From Isaiah chapter 45: Wasn't he a distant relative of Doctor Seuss? Come to think of it,weren't they in the same business? From Lennon '67: "I am the walrus goo goo g'joob."
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
That is the point, isn't it? If we do not derive our worldview by moral absolutes then anyone's opinion or set of "standards" is what society will degrade to. That is moral relativism.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
If you stand by what you believe in,you approve of soldiers bashing the brains of infants out on city walls. After all,you worship the deity that ordered it done,ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN BELIEFS.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
What reason could there possibly be than the utter destruction of your enemies to the point they ceased to exist?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
I don't understand your post. YOU,the individual, HAVE no moral standards other than the ones you adopted to conform to the viewpoints of your religion. By surrendering yourself to those beliefs,you MUST accept anything they approve of as moral. The people who agreed with Hitler thought the moral thing to do was eliminate all the Jews,Gypsies,children with mental and physical disabilities,and even petty criminals in some cases. Were THEY a moral people? BTW,I am NOT refereeing to the common German citizen whose choice it was to pretend this was not happening of have it happen to himself and his family. I am refereeing to the true-believer Nazi's. I don't believe in second-hand guilt. The only people guilty are the people who commit the crimes or order the crimes to be committed.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
More clearly. Where do you/did you obtain your moral values? I addressed your "baby head bashing" comment in a previous post. If you do not want to review in the Exodus and Joshua the reasons God gave for punishing the Canaanite nations, then what you posted is uninformed.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
Interesting you pick Hitler. They were following his worldview and system. He based it on his beliefs. It was a situation of a nation following the relative moral "standards" of one man and his minions. That is the point. If we derive our worldview, our morals from what we "think" is right, then who says what is right and what is wrong? It is all relative.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
Ah, yes, the ever-logical Tea Party connection....
what about someone that knows a crime is about to be committed?
I can't give you a precise answer,other than from living life and observing how the people around me live their lives and conduct themselves. I like to think I have taken the best for my own and dismissed the superficial,but my own ego gets in my way just as much as the ego of anyone else gets in their way. After all,don't all of us think we are right while recognizing that it is impossible for everyone to be right when there are so many conflicting opinions?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
He was just the most obvious and most documented. The truth is that Stalin and Mao made Hitler look like a Cub Scout leader by comparison,but the leftist media and historians have been working since day 1 to cover up the evils of communism while pretending it's big brother and biggest competitor is pure evil and published documents and film to prove how evil fascism is. hat is the point. If we derive our worldview, our morals from what we "think" is right, then who says what is right and what is wrong? It is just mind-boggling that you can't see your own written words reinforce my positions. Religious people by definition get all their moral viewpoints from one central source, There ARE no individual moral positions.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
What about them? Are you wanting to prosecute thought crimes? Thought-crimes once removed,on top of that? How many times growing up did you hear someone say they were going to kill somebody else? Probably hundreds of times before you even got out of hight school. How many of those murders actually took place?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
You are only stating one aspect. If someone planned to kill you and told others about it - you would be fine if the act occurred and nobody did anything? (Are you in NYC?)
Yeah,what the hell. People SHOULD be prosecuted for what they are thinking,right? If someone planned to kill you and told others about it - you would be fine if the act occurred and nobody did anything? A heads-up would be appreciated,but not really necessary. I've always assumed everybody I don't know and most of the people I do know would cause me harm if it would profit them and they thought they could get away with it. I don't expect the government to protect me 24/7. I provide my own protection. (Are you in NYC?) No,I am an American.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Even more mind boggling is that your examples of Hitler, Mao, Stalin et al, ARE examples of a relative "values" worldview. "Religious people by definition get all their moral viewpoints from one central source, There ARE no individual moral positions." Worded a bit differently, but you are close to a truth in the above statement. Those who have Christ draw their values from His Words. This is what we call an absolute.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
So where would someone get their values from if they didn't have a Bible or couldn't read, or didn't have someone to teach them. Are you saying God depends on a book to get his values across to people? What about most of the people born in the last two thousand years, who were illiterate and had no access to books or education and were just trying to stay alive. Where were they supposed to get their values from?
. Are you saying God depends on a book to get his values across to people? What about most of the people born in the last two thousand years, who were illiterate and had no access to books or education and were just trying to stay alive. Where were they supposed to get their values from? Biff, if we look at history we will see most societies had values consistent with Exodus chapter 20. Why? Because we are told in Scriptures that all mankind has the Law of God "written in their hearts." Here is what Paul told the Romans in chapter 2: 13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified: 14 (for when Gentiles that have not the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are the law unto themselves; 15 in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness therewith, and their thoughts one with another accusing or else excusing them);(ASV version) God masterfully put this in our makeup when He created us. Your reference to those who never heard about Scriptures, Jesus Christ or the Bible I believe is answered by Paul above (you may want to read all of chapter 2 of Romans to get the full context). But the point I was making to pete is mankind since Eden is in rebellion of God's Way. So much like those that made the gold calf in the wilderness when Moses was absent, we too today create our own idols of self crafted worldviews or moral/ethical principles in contravention to God's Way, God's Law, God's Word.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
#82. To: sneakypete (#78)
#83. To: A K A Stone (#76)
#84. To: sneakypete (#57)
You clearly lay out why you support the wholesale murder of those who are deformed. It is all financial and convenience related. Same bogus claim the abortionists give today.
#85. To: sneakypete (#58)
Your posts clearly indicate you approve of the murdering of newborns who do not meet a particular standard. And your posts prove why you need a religious leader to tell you how to think. Otherwise you would be playing in the traffic.
#86. To: sneakypete (#57)
Children of the corn"? Really?
#87. To: Biff Tannen, sneakypete, A K A Stone, Liberator (#60)
It is clear you condone the murder of deformed children. What a stupid thing to say. He never said one thing about condoning it.
#88. To: redleghunter (#84)
In your mother's town where they killed babies who were deformed at birth:
#89. To: redleghunter (#86)
Ok, sorry a bit rough with Children of the Corn. Maybe Harvest Home with Betty Davis is more appropriate:
#90. To: redleghunter (#87)
Say hi to your mom for me.
#91. To: sneakypete (#88)
(Edited)
Do you or do you not support bashing the brains of the babies of your enemies out against their city walls? After all,according to the Bible you believe in,that is what God told his soldiers to do,and you clearly follow your God.
Say hi to your mom for me.
#92. To: redleghunter (#48)
Your "children of the corn" horror house town fails this test.
#93. To: Biff Tannen, Sneakypeter (#91)
Do you or do you not support bashing the brains of the babies of your enemies out against their city walls? After all,according to the Bible you believe in,that is what God told his soldiers to do,and you clearly follow your God.
#94. To: sneakypete (#89)
#95. To: Biff Tannen (#90)
I'm not a good person.
#96. To: Biff Tannen (#90)
I too refuse to judge them. I've been in bad situations in my life and been surprised and appalled by my decisions when i look back. I'm going to focus and spend my energy on me being better rather than standing in judgement of others. I'm not a good person. Now where near good enough to judge others decisions when they are in trouble.
#97. To: A K A Stone (#93)
You have the living God giving you a command. HE knows the future. He has a plan. If the Jews would have merged with these people and let them live. It would probably have changed their culture and Gods plan. God knows good from evil. We don't always. Sneakypeter is not found of the people who founded this nation. Not fond of the founding values.
#98. To: Fred Mertz (#95)
(Edited)
I'm not a good person. Yes you are, yes you are. Change that view and right now.
#99. To: sneakypete (#88)
Do you or do you not support bashing the brains of the babies of your enemies out against their city walls? After all,according to the Bible you believe in,that is what God told his soldiers to do,and you clearly follow your God.
#100. To: sneakypete (#89)
It's abundantly obvious why you are a true believer. You are too stupid to be anything else. Anything beyond blindly following orders would be too much of a mental stretch for you.
#101. To: Biff Tannen (#90)
Yes, i see your point. However, i think sneaky is refusing to judge people of the past by todays standards, and youbare interpreting his refusal to judge as support.
#102. To: Biff Tannen (#90)
I'm not a good person
#103. To: sneakypete (#97)
Ok,so you have a all-powerful God that wants to off a whole tribe of people that have pissed him off for some unknown reason or reasons,and instead of handing what would have surely been a simple matter for him (plague,locusts,turning them into salt,turning them into frogs,etc,etc,etc) he is so lazy and trifling he tells a tribe of Jews to do his dirty work for him?
#104. To: redleghunter (#99)
(Edited)
Do you or do you not support bashing the brains of the babies of your enemies out against their city walls? After all,according to the Bible you believe in,that is what God told his soldiers to do,and you clearly follow your God.
#105. To: sneakypete (#104)
BY YOUR OWN STANDARDS
#106. To: redleghunter (#101)
(Edited)
I think my overarching point is, when do we stand up for the principles and morals we believe in.
#107. To: redleghunter (#103)
I say this because God clearly points out the reason/reasons.
#108. To: redleghunter (#105)
That is the point, isn't it? If we do not derive our worldview by moral absolutes then anyone's opinion or set of "standards" is what society will degrade to. That is moral relativism.
#109. To: sneakypete (#108)
I don't understand your post. YOU,the individual, HAVE no moral standards other than the ones you adopted to conform to the viewpoints of your religion.
#110. To: sneakypete (#108)
The people who agreed with Hitler thought the moral thing to do was eliminate all the Jews,Gypsies,children with mental and physical disabilities,and even petty criminals in some cases. Were THEY a moral people?
#111. To: redleghunter (#28)
But instead they tried to blame lawful gun owners and the Tea Party, and talk radio
#112. To: sneakypete (#108)
I don't believe in second-hand guilt. The only people guilty are the people who commit the crimes or order the crimes to be committed.
#113. To: redleghunter (#109)
More clearly. Where do you/did you obtain your moral values?
#114. To: redleghunter (#110)
Interesting you pick Hitler.
#115. To: Serenissima Venezia (#112)
what about someone that knows a crime is about to be committed?
#116. To: sneakypete (#115)
#117. To: Serenissima Venezia (#116)
You are only stating one aspect.
#118. To: sneakypete (#114)
It is just mind-boggling that you can't see your own written words reinforce my positions. Religious people by definition get all their moral viewpoints from one central source, There ARE no individual moral positions.
#119. To: redleghunter (#118)
Say hi to your mom for me.
#120. To: Biff Tannen (#119)
So where would someone get their values from if they didn't have a Bible or couldn't read, or didn't have someone to teach them.
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