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Title: Unseen McVeigh Video Proves He Was Still in Army in '93
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVL0c7v0ZF4&eurl=
Published: Dec 18, 2006
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Post Date: 2006-12-18 17:41:30 by A K A Stone
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What evidence is there that this is McVeigh? And how do we know this is in '93? Regards...MUD
Question Conventional Wisdom!!
I think the pic is very similar. Same nose same chin shape. http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=1668 A video that shows Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh at a U.S. military base that specializes in explosives and demolition training over a year after he supposedly left the army puts the official story of the April 19 1995 federal building bombing under serious doubt and mandates a re-opening of an investigation into the terror attack that killed 168 people. The video was released by Bill Bean, a film producer who has suffered intense surveillance and harassment since taking the footage, and is the subject of a February 2007 Hustler Magazine feature story. On August 3rd 1993, Bean was given a tour of the Camp Grafton military facility in North Dakota as part of a research effort to scout possible shooting locations for a film he was working on. Bean met the Camp Superintendent Col. Dahl and was permitted to film every location he visited. Bean takes up the story, "I videotaped all locations as possible future shot sites even if there was no actual scene written for that location. Mess Hall, Rec Room, Armory, etc. About an hour into the tour we passed by a long row of tanks and I was informed these had been used in the Gulf War. In fact I believe I was told there were captured tanks there also. While videotaping and viewing this location, two soldiers began to offload what I was told was an armored personnel carrier from a flatbed. One soldier driving the other directing from the ground. I watched them for a moment and then did a slow 360 with my camera and came back to them." Given permission to board the tank, Bean walked over and pointed the camera inside, at which point one of the soldiers turned around and, appearing somewhat shocked to see the camera, uttered a brief response to Bean's question and attempted to push past him. That individual has now been positively identified to be Timothy McVeigh, who according to the official timeline as endorsed by the FBI, was honorably discharged from the military for the last time in May 1992. And yet he is seen here on tape at a U.S. military base over a year after that date in August of 1993. Hustler 1 Hustler 2 February 2007 Hustler Issue. By Mark Johnson & Bryan Sacks "New Oklahoma City Bombing Evidence: Was There a Government Coverup?" Hustler 3 Hustler 4 "I did not realize how significant what I had was, for many years," states Bean, "It was not until Mcveigh’s trial that I realized it was Mcveigh in the tank. Even then the larger point escaped me. That point is, McVeigh was not supposed to be in the military at that time. His military record shows him enlisting in 1988, being honorably discharged from the Army, on Dec. 31, 1991. His records then show he was in the Army reserve in Buffalo New York, from January 1992 until May 1992, he was then honorably discharged from the Army reserve. After May of 1992 he was never again in uniform on any base anywhere, never again part of the military. He was totally out of military service. The FBI states the only time they lose track of McVeigh, in his entire life, is the late summer of 93. They think he was somewhere between Kingman Arizona and Decker Michigan. Probably at gun shows, meeting antigovernment rightwing militia types. But he wasn’t, he was at Camp Grafton, in uniform, learning explosives and demolition!" To confirm that the individual in the tape was indeed McVeigh, Bean presented the video to Prof. Blomgren of the University of Utah, who then undertook a voice forensics analysis. The results produced an 86% match for the voice characteristics heard in the video compared to those taken from a 60 Minutes interview with McVeigh. Though in a response to Hustler the North Dakota National Guard denied McVeigh was ever present at Camp Grafton, they did confirm that demolitions training is part of the regimen at the facility. Bean provided us with a list of suspicious telephone calls, examples of harassment and surveillance that he had been targeted for in the seven year period after filming McVeigh, starting in 1994. Much of the surveillance and spying occurred even before Bean became aware that he had filmed Timothy McVeigh. "On Wed June 19th 2002, my mother who lived with me was talking to a relative in Washington state. The relative said the line sounded “strange” my mother said “Yea, the phone is tapped!” At that point the phone went dead," claims Bean. "Or, look at January 14th Tues 2003. We lived on the third floor of an apt. building. A green station wagon, Illinois plates HYB115, parked down two doors and sat there with the engine on. For over 25 minutes a woman sat in the driver’s seat looking up in our window. All the while she kept a running dialogue with someone who wasn’t there. She held a device, thin, dark plastic or metal up to her mouth and then would read something on it. She did this for more than 25 minutes. When my mother who was suffering from cancer, walked into the room, I whispered in her ear what was happening. Being a sick old woman she said out loud, “who is looking in our window from a car?” At that point the woman shoved the car in gear and sped away tires screeching!” The fact that McVeigh was still involved with the U.S. army long after his supposed honorable discharge only amplifies long-standing questions that severely undermine the official explanation behind the Oklahoma City bombing. - In early April 1995 a Ryder truck identical to the one used in the bombing was filmed by a pilot during an overflight of of an area near Camp Gruber-Braggs, Oklahoma. A June 17th, 1997 Washington Post article authenticates the photos as being exactly what they appear to be, photos of a Ryder truck in a clandestine base at Camp Gruber-Braggs. Why were the military in possession of a Ryder truck housed in a remote clandestine army base days before the Alfred P. Murrah bombing? - In a 1993 letter to his sister, McVeigh claimed that he was approached by military intelligence and had joined an "elite squad of government paid assassins." McVeigh often contradicted himself and changed his story on a whim to fit in with the latest government version of events. Is the Camp Grafton footage evidence of McVeigh's enrollment in such a clandestine program? - The August 1993 footage neatly fills in an unexplained gap in McVeigh' timeline that even the FBI cannot explain. Was this gap deliberately left ignored to avoid a probe into McVeigh's activities at Camp Grafton? - The FBI claimed McVeigh scouted the Alfred P. Murrah building weeks before the bombing and yet on the morning of the attack he stopped at a local gas station to ask directions. - Multiple reports of Arabs at the scene assisting McVeigh were ignored and surveillance tapes were withheld under national security. The likely reason for this was the fact that Bush senior and Clinton were responsible for bringing in nearly 1,000 Iraqi soldiers captured by U.S. forces during the 1991 Persian Gulf War, some of whom were involved in the bombing. - Original reports of two explosions and several failed devices being defused by bomb squads were buried by the establishment as the official explanation that McVeigh acted alone was pushed. - Many eyewitnesses reported that bomb squads in full reaction gear were seen around the building immediately before the blast.
FWIW, I believe McVeigh had accomplices that were never caught and prosecuted...that said, I do not believe the American government was complicit in the attack. Regards...MUD
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Imho, similar chin, but McVeigh's nose seems sharper, more pointed. Could just be a difference in amount of weight he was carrying at the time, but the picture on the right seems like the man's face is fuller, less gaunt...MUD
Question Conventional Wisdom!!
I don't know if it is McVeigh or not. But onto the subject of government involvement. That has been reasonably proven. Have you seen any of the local news casts where multiple times they talk about more bombs found. Governor at the time Keating even said so on live TV. They also showed the bomb squad going up to remove other bombs that were found. You can't discount that.
Reckon I'll haveta take yer word fer it...I thought I was paying pretty close attention back then, but I never heard about additional bombs. If they were there, why didn't they go off? More government incompetence?
Question Conventional Wisdom!!
Everybody except the American people knew this was a guv't job.
"If I thought this war was to abolish slavery, I would resign my commission, and offer my sword to the other side." --Ulysses S. Grant
I think that's McVeigh. I wonder what he looks like now, enjoying life on some beach.
"If I thought this war was to abolish slavery, I would resign my commission, and offer my sword to the other side." --Ulysses S. Grant
I never heard about additional bombs. If they were there, why didn't they go off? More government incompetence?
Question Conventional Wisdom!!
Construction and maintenance crews in Charleston, S.C. are still digging up live yankee artillery shells from the 1860's that obviously didn't go off. The shells are taken to a special facility just for disposing of the yankee junk. Yes, more yankee incompetence. You are correct. BTW, the Confederates had a fuse and detonation system superior to the yankees'.
"If I thought this war was to abolish slavery, I would resign my commission, and offer my sword to the other side." --Ulysses S. Grant
There were LOTS of newscasts. Here is one that even has conversaton with Governor Keating. I'll post more videos later.
Interesting video, Mr. Stone...I still think it's rather dubious that the Fed black ops folks would be so incompetent as to leave unexploded bombs in the Murrah Building. Remember, there was a LOT of misreporting immediately after the OKC bombing...MUD
Question Conventional Wisdom!!
Heh heh heh...did you ever meet stand watie over on TOS? Y'all wouldda got along famously...MUD
Question Conventional Wisdom!!
Yes. We agree on a lot. He's a real Southern Fire-eater.
"If I thought this war was to abolish slavery, I would resign my commission, and offer my sword to the other side." --Ulysses S. Grant
Yep...attended a lot of the DeeCee Freeps so I got to hang out with him quite a bit...MUD
Question Conventional Wisdom!!
#2. To: A K A Stone (#1)
"Unseen McVeigh Video Proves He Was Still in Army in '93"
#3. To: Mudboy Slim (#2)
#4. To: A K A Stone (#3)
#5. To: A K A Stone (#3)
"Same nose same chin shape."
#6. To: Mudboy Slim (#5)
#7. To: A K A Stone (#6)
"...government involvement. That has been reasonably proven."
#8. To: Mudboy Slim (#7)
#9. To: A K A Stone (#1)
#10. To: cwrwinger (#8)
#11. To: Mudboy Slim (#10)
why didn't they go off? More government incompetence?
#12. To: Mudboy Slim (#7)
I thought I was paying pretty close attention back then, but I never heard about additional bombs.
#13. To: A K A Stone (#12)
"There were LOTS of newscasts."
#14. To: cwrwinger (#11)
"...more yankee incompetence."
#15. To: Mudboy Slim (#14)
stand watie over on TOS?
#16. To: cwrwinger (#15)
"He's a real Southern Fire-eater."
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