LF: Acquitted Hutaree member gets back his 41 guns, 100,000 rounds of ammunition from feds

Title: Acquitted Hutaree member gets back his 41 guns, 100,000 rounds of ammunition from feds
Source: NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
URL Source: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat ... 109998?localLinksEnabled=false
Published: Jul 8, 2012
Author: Jason Fields / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Post Date: 2012-07-08 14:38:15 by Hondo68
Keywords: crossbows and swords, already packing heat, the Hutaree militia
Views: 11374
Comments: 26

Thomas Piatek, member of the Hutaree militia, was charged with plotting to kill police officers and overthrow the government, but was acquitted by a judge in March who cited insuffient evidence.

ABC News 7

Earlier this year, Thomas Piatek of Indiana was freed by a judge who tossed out charges he and fellow militia members plotted to overthrow the federal government. Friday, Piatek got his guns back.

An admitted militiaman got 41 guns and more than 100,000 rounds of ammunition back from the government Friday.

The guns were confiscated when Thomas Piatek and six other members of the Hutaree militia were arrested in 2009 on charges that they planned to kill police officers and overthrow the government. He was acquitted in March, when a federal judge, Victoria Roberts, found there was insufficient evidence in the case. Piatek and the others then petitioned to get their weapons back.

The implements of destructions — which included an AK-47, handguns, shotguns, crossbows and swords — required two trips to take home, according to TV station WLS.

When Piatek arrived to pick up his property from the Hammond, Ind., police station, he was already packing heat.

“Just a piece, you know, whatever," Piatek said, according to WLS. "You got a phone, keys, whatever. It ain't a thing with me."

Other members of the militia also got their guns back, but none had a collection to rival Piatek’s.

ABC News 7

Thomas Piatek even brought along a gun to pick up his guns. 'It ain't a thing with me,' he said.

Piatek also got back military helmets, bulletproof vests, $100 cash and his cell phone, the Detroit Free Press reports.

The judge let weapons charges stand against two members of the militia, including its leader, David Stone Sr. Both pleaded guilty to possessing a machine gun, a federal crime.

“This is a victory for the Constitution," Piatek's lawyer Arthur Weiss, who accompanied his client, said.

God bless and protect the fine patriots of the Hutaree Militia, from Obushma's gov goons. (2 images)

I wager the goddamned government somehow destroyed the firearms, too. Those firearms are probably ineffective without major repairs.

It's a given that the sights will be way off on all of them. Who knows what else?

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

The government NEVER "gives" firearms back to a citizen unless the firearm is damaged somehow. It is the untold promise that government keeps to the citizenry.

"Later, in an assault case, I had gotten a good deal for my client but the State wanted his firearm forfeited. I always have clients assign the firearm to me as part of my fee in cases such as this, and so I protested to the judge and filed a pleading entitled "Motion For Writ Of Habeas Pistola". The good- humored judge granted my motion and issued an "Order Granting Writ Of Habeas Pistola", finding that it would be cruel and unusual punishment for the gun to be forfeited to the State. (See Shooting' Times, November 1990.)

In 1995, our current Governor, Tony Knowles, ended the State's practice of selling forfeited and surplus handguns to the public, deciding that such handguns would be destroyed instead. In a letter to the NRA, Governor Knowles wrote that Alaskans

" are concerned about violence. I believe they trust in me to try to reduce crime and make it harder for criminals to get their hand on weapons. Destroying surplus handguns is one way to do that. As for the money we'll lose by disposing of guns instead of selling them, I have no second thoughts."

I quickly filed suit, seeking a temporary restraining order against the destruction of those firearms. The State's attorney told the court that the State was only going to destroy "sawed-off shotguns, assault rifles, and Saturday Night Specials". As a result, the judge declined to grant the restraining order and the next day some fifty guns were destroyed by burning with a welding torch. When I got to view the destroyed guns, I saw that a lovely little Colt Woodsman, an Air Force survival rifle in .22 Hornet, and a large number of like-new S&W .357 Magnum stainless steel revolvers had been cut up! The State's attorney had lied!

I immediately amended my court complaint to seek personal damages against the Governor "on behalf of the people of the State of Alaska for the willful destruction of State property". Shortly thereafter, the Governor put the destruction of firearms "on hold", later agreed that no more guns would be destroyed (instead they would be sold to licensed dealers), and paid my attorneys fees.

Then, earlier this year, I noticed the Governor's picture in the newspaper. He was shown shooting one of the brand new S&W pistols he had gotten for the Alaska State Troopers by trading in the State's surplus guns to a local dealer. The Governor was taking credit for saving the taxpayers money by utilizing the surplus guns to rearm the Troopers with newer arms! What a guy!

Governor Knowles, is very anti-gun and anti-hunting. He vetoed a bill to improve Alaska's concealed carry law. (Our Republican-controlled Legislature over-rode the veto.) He approved putting anti- hunting initiatives on the ballot, closed certain areas of the State to bear hunting, and sent hundreds of thousand of dollars of State funds to extremist environmental groups who oppose hunting and development of Alaska's resources."

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

"I believe in background checks at gunshows, OR ANYWHERE". ~George W. Bush - Tempe AZ debate, 2004

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

I'm talking about how one party has a KNOWN HISTORY of anti-2nd amendment and anti-TRTKABA ACTIONS, and you bring up your favorite EX president. Whose own beliefs are "fliers" when compared to his party's average historical record, especially when compared to the RATs, on TRTKABA.

I swear that EVERY discussion turns into a grade school level he did she did bullshit "blame fest" which solves NOTHING of whatever the problem that we all have NOW we are supposedly talking about.

The FUTURE is the FUTURE, despite our best efforts, it is UNKNOWN to us ALL.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Yep, don't vote for either anti-American gay Marxist gun grabber! Not Mittens, nor Obama. Just say NO to D&R shiite sandwiches, and make them put something else on the menu, or get outa Dodge.

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

It appears, dawg has finally come to his senses. He is, of course discussing the GOP/DEM Party. He may have snapped out of his delusions.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

I say that NOW is the time to ACT to save America then you claim to agree and say NOT TO ACT.

Dude you and your ilk are politically just so plain fence post fucking STOOOOOOPID.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Want to look at ALL of human history and then tell me about all of the times WE as humans have been able to actually DO just that successfully?

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

If you're afraid to say NO, just do nothing but the SOS... Punch the R button, assume the position, and watch America continue to collapse while O'rombney sticks it to ya.

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Not only that,but by electing Rombama,you would be electing a version of Obummer that could serve another 8 years instead of just another 4,AND a version that alleged Republicans in Congress and the Senate would rubber stamp his every suggestion.

In other words,Obummer and gridlock are our only hope. He would/could/can screw up so thoroughly in the next two years that actual conservatives could get elected to Congress and the Senate,and even to the WH 4 years from now.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

His take is implacable in its logic. You're "using all the muscles, except the one that really matters," eh, Stone?

"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

I know that gridlock is the only way. The checks and balances of the U.S. Constitution where the Congress checks the actions of the POTUS will be doing what they were meant to do in a situation like this one.

It is a political SCIENCE FACT that when there is a national race for a national office that the incumbent has a built in advantage.

ANY vote for a non-national non- incumbent in a national race, is EFFECTIVELY a vote FOR the national incumbent.

Do your care givers allow you to use a fork? Or are you still working your way up to a spork?

You can TRY to pose as alot of things here sport but you sure can't claim with any seriousness that OBJECTIVE FACT is on your side of the discussion.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

AMERICA is bleeding to death right in front of us and you are trying to argue about who runs the torniquet?

Your numbers are trivial. Your votes were never going to the repukelican't so there is no actual loss.

Would you let an infection go gangrene to teach your kid to treat infections with care?

You Fucking polly annish child like idiots ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM, not of the solution.

Then you stupid assholes will crow I DIDN'T VOTE FOR HIM when the messiah "king" obammy gets back to work murdering America.

And posing is what is really important to you childish fuckheads anyways isn't it?

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

You participate in the destruction of American by voting for Mass-holes and their ilk, I don't. That's right, YOU are the anti-American MORON!

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

WE don't let our loved ones infection's go gangrene to teach them that they ought to care for their wounds.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Your entire line of reasoning is nothing but a desperate attempt to browbeat others into supporting Romney as the "lesser of two evils". Most of the rational thinkers on this site, including myself have seen that game in action for the past 3 election cycles at least, and are not playing it any more.

The moral relativism of the “lesser of two evils” philosophy has been draining the heart and soul of America for decades. Many of us in the Liberty Movement understand that it is nothing new, and have come to expect the abusive and emaciated logic it entails from time to time.

However, over the course of the past year it has become apparent to me that the talking points and propaganda that drive the hypocritical worldview are being utilized on an even grander scale than ever before.

Now, one of the first tenets or rules that a person learns when delving into the Liberty Movement is that there is no such thing as political parties in America today. There are no conflicting interests in Washington D.C. There is no “grand battle” between left and right for the minds of the masses. It is a sham. A con. A fantasy. A false paradigm.

In reality, the leaderships of both fraudulent parties support essentially the same methodology, and that methodology could be summarized thus: Centralize everything, globalize everything, control everything, grow government power, reduce the effectiveness of the citizenry, turn the public against each other, rob them while they’re distracted.

If an American does not understand this dynamic and how it is used to dominate the ebb and flow of our culture, then that American knows nothing. He is lost…

Another desperate tactic you clowns try is the myth that voting third party is a wasted vote.

The first thing most people will tell you when you say you're voting for a "third" party candidate is that you are "wasting your vote."

This myth is related to each of the others, and is usually followed closely by one of the other myths by way of explanation. "You're wasting your vote because... (fill in blank with one of the other myths)."

But how can voting for the candidate you most closely identify with be a wasted vote? Isn't compromising your beliefs on important issues really the wasted vote? Isn't settling for second best, or the lesser of two evils really the wasted vote?

The point of having a representative democracy is for each citizen to be able to effect the future of their community. Elections are the main mechanism for "we the people" to tell our representatives how we feel.

It is vitally important that when we make that statement, it is accurate. Sending the wrong message by compromising your vote lessens your ability to influence the direction of public policy.

Again, I ask you, which is the wasted vote - A vote for a major party candidate you despise because you despise the other guy a little bit more - or - A vote for a candidate who says what you'd say if you were running for office?*****

Perhaps these words from Carroll Quigley will make it simple enough for you to understand:

The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers.

Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy.*****

LOL! The first time I heard that was when Carter was running,and I have heard it every election since. It was an is the basis for "let's all vote for the lesser of two evils!"

Then you stupid assholes will crow I DIDN'T VOTE FOR HIM when the messiah "king" obammy gets back to work murdering America.

Yeah,and if you ever sober up you will be eaten alive with jealousy because you won't be able to say it because you will have voted for The Man from Mass,Rombama.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011