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Title: Undoing Obamacare
Source: TAS.com
URL Source: http://spectator.org/archives/2012/07/02/undoing-obamacare
Published: Jul 5, 2012
Author: Andrew B. Wilson
Post Date: 2012-07-05 16:32:23 by CZ82
Keywords: None
Views: 5877
Comments: 23

Undoing Obamacare

By Andrew B. Wilson on 7.2.12

Suddenly, everyone wants out.

You would have thought that Chief Justice John Roberts had shouted "fire" in a crowded theater. In upholding Obamacare, he set off a headlong race for the exits by the same lobbying groups -- believe it or not -- that had cut deals with the administration to create the legislation. Back then, the lobbyists were telling each other: If you’re not at the table, you’re on the menu. Now the bodies are piling up in the doorway as those who pandered to the president trample over each other in their haste to get out of the blazing or crumbling structure that is Obamacare. To paraphrase Oscar Wilde on the death of Little Nell, no one without a heart of stone can witness this deadly scene without wanting to laugh out loud.

As reported on the front page of this weekend's Wall Street Journal, every one of the health-care industry groups that signed on to Obamacare in 2009 is looking for a way out.

Hospital groups now say they want Congress to peel back $155 billion in payment cuts that they agreed to in 2009. Representatives of Blue Cross Blue Shield Association, Aetna, Inc., and Humana Inc. say they need greater freedom to adjust premiums to reflect risk. Medical-device companies are making a new push to roll back their 2.3% tax. Hotels, retailers, and restaurant chains are clamoring for a two-year delay in enforcement of a requirement that they cover full-time workers or pay a penalty, giving them until 2016 to comply.

Implement-and-improve, the Democrats are now saying in indicating a new willingness to make election-year concessions in revising the hated law. Or as the president put it on Thursday: "The highest court in the land has now spoken. We will continue to implement this law. And we'll work together to improve on it where we can."

But the race to the exits by doctors, hospitals, drug makers, insurers and others is evidence that the law is already beyond repair. To put that another way, the series of deals between the government and health-industry groups that gave rise to Obamacare is falling apart.

"The bargain that was struck seems to be out the window," Bruce Siegal, chief executive of the National Association of Public Hospitals and Health Systems, was quoted as saying.

It is worth recalling how the White House and the Democratic leadership in Congress brought the doctors, the hospitals, and other special interest on board in the first place. In her telling of the story ("Democrats Hoodwink the Health Lobby," WSJ, July 10, 2009), Kimberly Strassel noted that after retaking the House in 2006, Democratic Party leaders put out the word that drug companies and others that did not hire Democratic lobbyists would not get a hearing in Washington. She wrote in her Potomac Watch column:

The ruling party is now seeing the fruits of its bullying. These days, a meeting of health-care lobbyists is better described as a reunion of Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus's former aides. The new cabal of Democratic lobbyists does not exist to protect the industry from Congress. It exists to present Democratic ultimatums to business.

When Senate Republicans last month hosted a meeting to discuss reform ideas, Mr. Baucus's office called in a block of these Democratic lobbyists to deliver a message. "They said, 'Republicans are having this meeting and you need to let all your people know if they have someone there, it will be viewed as a hostile act,' "reported one attendee to the Baucus caucus.

Under such conditions, different industry groups were bullied and cajoled into signing on to a program that clearly threatened their own independence and integrity:

Under the leadership of Billy Tauzin, the Big Pharma lobby agreed to do a $150 million Obamacare-friendly advertising campaign in return for protection against strict price controls on Medicare prescription drugs and drug re-importation from Canada (one of Obama's campaign pledges). Tauzin also agreed to chip in $80 billion from the industry to help close a gap in Medicare drug coverage For his success in brokering a deal with the administration, the former congressman turned pharmaceutical industry lobbyist, was paid $11.6 million in 2010.

The health insurers' lobbying group under Karen Ignagni cut a deal with the administration in which it gave up A and B in order to get C and D: It agreed A) to bite its tongue in the face of avalanche of new mandates and other problems, and B), to commit publicly to squeezing some $2 trillion in costs out of the system, in order to get C), a law that was supposed to force 30 million uninsured to buy insurance, and D), the all-important promise that administration would not put them all out of business by exercising the so-called public option.

The American Medical Association lent public support to Obamacare in return for promises of a "doc fix" -- protecting doctors from the automatic imposition of future reductions in their compensation. In a truly remarkable display of docility, 150 doctors from 50 states played dressy-up for the president in October, 2009 -- wearing White House-provided white lab coats as they applauded his pep talk on Obamacare. "Nobody has more credibility with the American people on this issue than you do," Obama told his guests at the photo op in the Rose Garden.

Hospital groups agreed to $150 billion in future Medicare and Medicaid cuts -- just to protect themselves against even steeper cuts down the road. Then there was the AARP sell-out. In the fall of 2009, many people were surprised when the American Association of Retired Persons (AARP) announced its support for Obamacare even though one of the ways the Democrats proposed to "pay" for the health care law was by taking an axe to the popular Medicare Advantage program and forcing millions of seniors back to the more expensive coverage of traditional Medicare. As David Catron wrote in this space ("The American Association for Retiree Plunder," 3-30-11), AARP is really an insurance company fronting as an advocacy group. Most of its revenues come from sales of "Medigap" policies that fill in for gaps in standard Medicare. As Catron explained, "AARP endorsed a law that does real financial harm to seniors in order to reap a crop of new customers when Obamacare guts Medicare Advantage." That impression was partly confirmed later in a trove of emails made public by House Republicans. "We really need to talk," an AARP lobbyist wrote in an email to the White House, noting that calls from seniors were running 14 to one against Obamacare.

So those are some of the ways by which the president and his allies in Congress contrived to jimmy up enough credibility to pass the Affordable Health Care bill into law. Even then, with large Democrat majorities in both houses, the bill passed by narrowest of margins.

It was the same kind of luck (or ill fate) that kept the bill from being struck down in its entirety when -- as others have commented -- Chief Justice Roberts rewrote the statute in order to save it, insisting that the individual mandate was constitutionally defensible because it was, in his word, a "tax." He arrived at that conclusion despite repeated assertions by the president and others that the mandate was not a tax.

In reacting to the ruling, President Obama intoned that the Supreme Court had "reaffirmed a fundamental principle that here in America -- in the wealthiest nation on earth -- no illness or accident should lead to any family's financial ruin."

But Chief Justice Roberts said no such thing in rendering his judgment. To the contrary, he looked and sounded like Pontius Pilate publicly washing his hands. He was at pains to absolve himself and the court of further responsibility in having to deal with a very flawed and messy law. Here are two quotes from the chief justice:

"We do not consider whether the Act embodies sound policies. That judgment is entrusted to the Nation's elected leaders."

"Members of this Court are vested with the authority to interpret the law; we possess neither the expertise nor the prerogative to make policy judgments. Those decisions are entrusted to our Nation's elected leaders, who can be thrown out of office if people disagree with them [emphasis added]. It is not our job to protect people from the consequences of their political choices."

All of which sets the stage for a head-on collision in November between a president saying implement-and-improve and his challenger saying repeal-and-replace.

Let us hope that no one advocating repeal is beguiled into thinking that any part of Obamacare should be considered salvageable. The whole thing (all 2,700 pages) should be dumped in the nearest recycling bin.

It is no good pretending -- as the Obama administration has done throughout the long debate over health care -- that anything will come true if you wish for it hard enough.

Ross Kaminsky put it very well in another Spectator article in the weekend edition, when he observed: "Obama's laundry list of items which insurance companies must and must not do [is] a perfect reflection of the Democrat mentality that they can raise costs to insurers and health care providers without hurting quality, availability, or affordability for the public. It is the economic equivalent of believing, as my six-year old daughter does, in magical flying unicorns."

From the start, a clear majority of Americans has grasped that point, recognizing the lunacy of believing that it would be a good idea to launch a massive new entitlement program at a time when the nation -- according to the president's own debt panel -- was careening toward bankruptcy with the entitlement programs we already have.

Not only is the Affordable Health Care Act unaffordable; it is the exact wrong way to go about reforming and improving the health care system. When it comes to making decisions about your health care, the president and his allies in Congress believe that they know how to spend your money better than you do. They want the whole health care industry to be micro-managed by bureaucrats and political appointees, which will reduce both competition and choice -- leading to every imaginable ill from higher costs and rising premiums, to indifferent and inefficient patient care, and to rampant cronyism, favoritism, corruption, and mismanagement. One example of the favoritism that has already occurred: The administration has granted more than 1,000 waivers, mostly to unions and businesses that publicly support Obamacare -- just not for themselves.

It is time to reverse the incipient nationalization of the health care industry and to set about improving the system with new policies aimed at maximizing competition and choice.

There is ample opportunity, for instance, for enabling consumers to reap immediate benefits in the form of lowered premium and greater choice through the simple expedient of allowing health insurance to be sold across state lines. This would give individual consumers the freedom to buy low-cost, low-priced health insurance -- from a far larger universe of sellers.

As much as some of us regret the fact that Chief Justice Roberts did not join the four conservative justices in striking down the law in its entirety, he did accomplish one important thing:

He scared the hell out of the various industry lobbying groups; he made them think about what they had wrought in assisting in the creation of a law that isn't going to do them any good, and may cause them a world of hurt.

Let's hope that others wake up to the same realization before it is too late.


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Looks like some of the rats are jumping ship right before it sinks....

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#1. To: CZ82 (#0)

Looks like some of the rats are jumping ship right before it sinks....

Whether they're trapped within the ship or floating in open water won't matter... They're done.

Roberts handed the "progressives" the power to tax anyone for anything they do, and anything they do not do...

Our government- thanks to Roberts- now has unlimited power to tax. Recall the quote by Marshall, "the power to tax is the power to destroy."

Our Constitution- also thanks to Roberts- has been read "Last Rites."

There's nothing left to protect Americans from an out-of-control and broke government, which is desperate to hold onto power...

We're on our own. :-|

"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-07-05   17:04:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: CZ82 (#0)

Under the leadership of Billy Tauzin, the Big Pharma lobby agreed to do a $150 million Obamacare-friendly advertising campaign in return for protection against strict price controls on Medicare prescription drugs and drug re-importation from Canada (one of Obama's campaign pledges). Tauzin also agreed to chip in $80 billion from the industry to help close a gap in Medicare drug coverage For his success in brokering a deal with the administration, the former congressman turned pharmaceutical industry lobbyist, was paid $11.6 million in 2010.

First of all, let me just say, Billy Tauzin, I hope God is watching you. You were a converted Democrat. I wasn't impressed with your enviromentalism, and I have visions of a rather toasty hot place for you for your efforts to place companies over people with Obamacare.

This disallowing drugs to be purchased from Canada is a real hurt to myself and many others. Between it and the 'donut hole' the pain is gonna be really bad.

I use two drugs which (full) cost is over $200 each per month--roughly $430 a month. My current co-pay is $45 for each per month. The past couple of years when the 'donut hole' has been reached (in July), I would order these two meds from Canada.

As unbelievable as it may sound, I could purchase a 3-month supply of each of these meds for about $175 to $195. So instead of 3 months at $636 for one drug, I was paying $175 for a 3 month supply! A difference of $461 dollars, or over $150 a month!

And then there are the little emergency inhalers. When I first started using them, I had a co-pay of $8 to $10. Because they had to change the aspirant, those inhalers (that were in use for ages and ages) were taken out off the market.

The one that replaced them has a co-pay of $45. I don't recall what the insurance company pays...doesn't matter because I started ordering them all from Canada, bypassing the insurance company. Initially I could get 4 of the inhalers from Canada for $48 dollars ($12 each); that eventually went to to $14 each---so it was $56 for 4 inhalers vs $45 for one inhaler.

So these inhalers were a matter of $180 compared to the $45 in Canada for 4 of them...a difference cf $124.00.

I'm just one person, retired, and I don't have the most medicines, nor the most expensive medicines, but I see I'll be spending well over $1,000 a quarter just for these breathing-enabling drugs. There are still the B/P pills and the attendant meds with them, not to mention vitamins--all ordered by the doctor.

Generics? The two real expensive medicines won't reach the general availability stage for a few more years!

That old avowed Socialist Bernie Saunders was right to crusade for the people to be able to buy their medicines where they could afford them.

Frankly, I anticipate the costs to deteriorate further under Obamacare--simply because the nation can't afford it...not even if it was pared down. I would not count on thie GOP to kill Obamacare.

That anyone would thinki that Obamacare will be good for the nation is beyond belief.

rowdee  posted on  2012-07-05   19:14:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: rowdee (#2)

That anyone would think that Obamacare will be good for the nation is beyond belief.

I don't think you really want to know how many that is..... You'll see come November....

Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….

CZ82  posted on  2012-07-06   6:31:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Capitalist Eric (#1)

There's nothing left to protect Americans from an out-of-control and broke government, which is desperate to hold onto power...

We're on our own. :-|

I think we have been for awhile now!!

You're also fighting the part of the population that supports them fools....

Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….

CZ82  posted on  2012-07-06   6:42:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: All (#0)

Then there was the AARP sell-out. In the fall of 2009, many people were surprised when the American Association of Retired Persons (AARP) announced its support for Obamacare even though one of the ways the Democrats proposed to "pay" for the health care law was by taking an axe to the popular Medicare Advantage program and forcing millions of seniors back to the more expensive coverage of traditional Medicare. As David Catron wrote in this space ("The American Association for Retiree Plunder," 3-30-11), AARP is really an insurance company fronting as an advocacy group. Most of its revenues come from sales of "Medigap" policies that fill in for gaps in standard Medicare. As Catron explained, "AARP endorsed a law that does real financial harm to seniors in order to reap a crop of new customers when Obamacare guts Medicare Advantage."

They did it because they stand to make billions of dollars for their complicity in this mess....

For those wanting to leave AARP there is AMAC... Don't know if they are any more honest than AARP but it is in alternative...

http://amac.us/

Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….

CZ82  posted on  2012-07-06   6:48:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: All (#0)

“In 2014, the penalty (for not having medical insurance) will be no more than $285 per family or 1 percent of income, whichever is greater. In 2015, the cap rises to $975 or 2 percent of income. And by 2016, the penalty would be up to $2,085 per family or 2.5 percent of income, whichever is greater.”

My question is how is this going to help those poor people that can't afford insurance now or in the future???

And some of these poor people are going to go out and vote for this Bozo again in November being totally oblivious to this fact!!!

Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….

CZ82  posted on  2012-07-06   6:59:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: CZ82, Capitalist Eric (#4)

Obama Sworn In Without a Bible; First President in History.

whyofcourse  posted on  2012-07-06   7:11:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: CZ82 (#4)

You're also fighting the part of the population that supports them fools....

Jeez, I guess.

BTW, LOVE your sig... sums it up quite nicely.

You should point it out to stone... he thinks such observations automatically connotate support... for o'Bungler! (insanity)

"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-07-06   11:47:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: CZ82 (#0)

"We do not consider whether the Act embodies sound policies. That judgment is entrusted to the Nation's elected leaders."

"Members of this Court are vested with the authority to interpret the law; we possess neither the expertise nor the prerogative to make policy judgments. Those decisions are entrusted to our Nation's elected leaders, who can be thrown out of office if people disagree with them [emphasis added]. It is not our job to protect people from the consequences of their political choices."

All of which sets the stage for a head-on collision in November between a president saying implement-and-improve and his challenger saying repeal-and-replace.

A train wreck right now could get obomba re elected !

Now it's sudden death overtime !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2012-07-06   13:14:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: CZ82 (#0)

"Obama's laundry list of items which insurance companies must and must not do [is] a perfect reflection of the Democrat mentality that they can raise costs to insurers and health care providers without hurting quality, availability, or affordability for the public. It is the economic equivalent of believing, as my six-year old daughter does, in magical flying unicorns."

The missing link hero - charm !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2012-07-06   13:31:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: CZ82 (#0)

From the start, a clear majority of Americans has grasped that point, recognizing the lunacy of believing that it would be a good idea to launch a massive new entitlement program at a time when the nation -- according to the president's own debt panel -- was careening toward bankruptcy with the entitlement programs we already have.

That's exactly what arnold's death star - wish for california was ... free health care --- based on a sales tax increase 5 years ago !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2012-07-06   13:36:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: whyofcourse (#7) (Edited)

Much ago about nothing......the swearing in ceremony (that counts) is the one done on Inauguration Day usually in front of the masses, not some cozy fireplace 'ceremony'.

And historians note that the famous/infamous Teddy Roosevelt did not use a Bible, but did raise his hand. I believe I read where one even used a law book.

Apparently there is no set place for The Ceremony to take place, though generally they want all the free advertising, pomp and circumstance.

rowdee  posted on  2012-07-06   13:47:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: CZ82 (#5)

Once upon a time I signed up with AARP. The check had hardly cleared when I wrote them to cancel as I wanted no part of an organization that bragged about being written in Spanish to serve the needs of those readers. Hello! An outfit set up for AMERICAN senior citizens has to be written in Spanish for.....who?

Not on my dime.

They did send all my money back.

rowdee  posted on  2012-07-06   13:51:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: CZ82 (#5)

They did it because they stand to make billions of dollars for their complicity in this mess....

Precisely. And at both ends, or all ends, I should say. They are getting a skim from the insurance providers; they collect due and fees from the seniors; and they collect money from the government like most NGOs for the 'unique' ability to fill in for gubmint! Red Cross is another; I believe Planned Parenthood; so are some of the environut organizations.

rowdee  posted on  2012-07-06   13:55:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: rowdee (#12)

The Bible is no longer valid in the US

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whyofcourse  posted on  2012-07-06   16:49:47 ET  (7 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: rowdee (#13)

Once upon a time I signed up with AARP. The check had hardly cleared when I wrote them to cancel as I wanted no part of an organization that bragged about being written in Spanish to serve the needs of those readers. Hello! An outfit set up for AMERICAN senior citizens has to be written in Spanish for.....who?

They've been sending me their brochures for sometime now and 99% of it goes straight into the shredder..... I take the postage paid envelope they supply and send it back empty, they still haven't gotten the hint yet!!!

Do you think I should add a "nastygram" one day??? LOL....

Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….

CZ82  posted on  2012-07-06   16:53:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Capitalist Eric (#8)

BTW, LOVE your sig... sums it up quite nicely.

That was dreamt up during one of my better Bourbon moments!! LOL.....

Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….

CZ82  posted on  2012-07-06   16:57:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: whyofcourse (#7)

Obama Sworn In Without a Bible; First President in History.

And some people "still" think he is Christian!!! LOL....

Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….

CZ82  posted on  2012-07-06   16:59:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: CZ82 (#18)

Obummer is Jewish, only because his mother was. He is really a Mooslum masquerading as a Christan.

What a mixed up person he must be.

whyofcourse  posted on  2012-07-06   17:03:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: whyofcourse (#15)

There was no law voted upon to encode Noahide laws into our legal system or to replace our legal system. That resolution was acknowledging some rabbi's birthday via Education Day or some such junk.

rowdee  posted on  2012-07-06   17:23:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: CZ82 (#16) (Edited)

Using their prepaid envelope, clip out some coupons from some local paper or magazine or some such, stuff them in the envelope and send it back...include the portion of whatever they sent you that contains your address with it.

That should clean it up pretty quick. May have to do it twice, but they soon realize they're wasting even the lesser amount of postage money--they want their junk to go to someone who is likely to use them.

I actually do that with lots of things--like campaign $$$$ requests. For the big guys, like Boehner, RNC, etc., when they send their stupid little surverys of ;what do I want seen done by government' (their choices, not mine(, I usually take a big red felt pen and write across it advising I am not and haven't been a GOP for ages.....and I won't give them a dime until they clean up their act. And then it promptly goes in the postage paid envelope/

That works, too.

rowdee  posted on  2012-07-06   17:31:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: rowdee (#20) (Edited)

You didn't watch the video or take any of the links did you.

whyofcourse  posted on  2012-07-06   17:37:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: whyofcourse (#22)

No, I didn't. Anytime I see something that raises my eyebrows, the first thing I do is look at the legislation. Oftentimes, there are bills citedthat are not federal bills. But that is not the case in this instance.

Having seen this same sort of thing before, I went back and looked again. It still says what it does, and that is to honor this Rabbi.

I see no need to look at something that is not going to change the legislation that was approved and signed into law.

Can you tell me there is something different?

rowdee  posted on  2012-07-06   18:06:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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