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Title: The Socialization Of America Is Economically Impossible
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URL Source: http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-ne ... onomically-impossible_07052012
Published: Jul 5, 2012
Author: Brandon Smith
Post Date: 2012-07-05 13:59:53 by Capitalist Eric
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Views: 29514
Comments: 54
I understand the dream of the common socialist. I was, after all, once a Democrat. I understand the disparity created in our society by corporatism (not capitalism, though some foolish socialists see them as exactly the same). I understand the drive and the desire to help other human beings, especially those in dire need, and the tendency to see government as the ultimate solution to all our problems. That said, let’s be honest; government is in the end just a tool used by one group or another to implement a particular methodology or set of principles. Unfortunately, what most socialists today don’t seem to understand is that no matter what strategies they devise, they will NEVER have control. And, those they wish to help will be led to suffer, because the establishment does not care about them, or you. The establishment does not think of what it can give, it thinks about what it can take. Socialism, in the minds of the elites, is a con-game which allows them to quarry the favor of the serfs, and nothing more. There are other powers at work in this world; powers that have the ability to play both sides of the political spectrum. The money elite have been wielding the false left/right paradigm for centuries, and to great effect. Whether socialism or corporatism prevails, they are the final victors, and the game continues onward… Knowing this fact, I find that my reactions to the entire Obamacare debate rather muddled. Really, I see the whole event as a kind of circus, a mirage, a distraction. Perhaps it is because I am first and foremost an economic analyst, and when looking at Obamacare and socialization in general, I see no tangibility. I see no threat beyond what we as Americans already face. Let me explain… Socialism Is Failure A country that feels the need to socialize has, in my view, already failed culturally. It is an open admission by the public that they are unwilling or unable to take responsibility for their own prosperity. If a society is not able to function in a healthy economic manner without the force of government (an abstract entity often manipulated by corrupt ideals) resulting in the creation of artificial and precarious balance using fiat stimulus and overt taxation, then the people of that country are not remotely independent and self sufficient. That is to say, only a nation filled with pathetic overgrown children would actually need government to enforce mandatory “charity”, welfare, healthcare, etc. A truly healthy society supported by strong and self sustainable individuals would not beg to be parented by government. If a country is so unbalanced as to stoop to socialism, then its ailments already extend far beyond anything government (even good government) could ever hope to cure. Obamacare, its tentative application, and those who blindly support its introduction in the U.S., are an example of a weak people groveling for handouts they do not work for nor deserve. Socialism is defeat. It is a waving of the white flag by a society and the trading of that culture’s liberty for the illusion of fiscal security. It is the act of an adolescent and naïve populace groveling for an allowance from their “motherland”. If one wants to consider what a socialized America would actually be like, why not examine the track record of the EU, a group of nations which have dabbled extensively in the principles of collective centralization and various levels of socialism, including the extremes of communism and fascism (and yes folks, both are derived from a socialist/collectivist foundation, despite what pseudo-intellectuals and propagandized academics will try and tell you). What success have they accomplished in the course of their Utopian endeavors? Well, more than half of the states of the European Union have already reached debt to GDP ratios well beyond the limit required to retain membership: http://edition.cnn.com/2011/BUSINESS/06/19/europe.debt.explainer/index.html Several countries, including the UK, France, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Greece, are all in the midst of severe debt crisis. The Euro itself is on the verge of disintegration, and in all likelihood, the EU charter will be reexamined, and mutated into something completely different to what exists today. The central bankers will blame European countries and their “insistence” on maintaining sovereign control over their finances, but ultimately, it is not sovereignty that strangles the EU, but its ridiculous supranational status which is entirely misapplied and has created a state of interdependency that has weakened every member nation to the point of disaster. It should be painfully clear to anyone considering socialism as a viable option for America that this kind of system requires fiscal discipline and a vast amount of SAVINGS. Notice I say “savings” and not “money”. Money is a carnival ride; an illusion of wealth that can be printed from thin air. Savings is an actual concrete storage of real capital, an ongoing surplus of manufacturing and production capability resulting in the stockpiling of working credit and ample employment. Most of the countries of the EU do not have such savings, and never did. In fact, most European countries have operated for decades on a loss. They have never been able to live with the direct and indirect investments of outside players. Because of this, EU countries are utterly unable to keep up with the grand concepts of socialism, and have buried themselves under the crushing debts generated by entitlement programs. America is no different. Forget Universal Healthcare – The U.S. Is Bust There has been a pervasive delusion amongst pro-socialism movements in the United States that we are the “richest country in the world”. They claim it is “absurd” that the establishment system does not pay for our healthcare with such riches at its disposal. They consistently rant about Canadian Healthcare and its record of universal treatment. The problem is, they ignore the details… Canada’s national debt stands at around $1.1 Trillion (officially). Canada’s population sits at around 34 Million. America’s national debt stands at around $15 Trillion (officially) and our population sits at around 313 Million. The two countries are entirely different animals. To clamor for a Canadian style healthcare program for a country with completely opposite economic parameters is idiocy, or lunacy, or both. Officially, our economy has already broken the 100% debt to GDP threshold. Unofficially, but more accurately, the U.S. national debt sits closer to $120 Trillion. This number accounts not only for public debt, but intragovernmental debt, and implicit debt, meaning, the debt obligations the government has committed to for the near future: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/… I would also like to quickly note that mainstream economists back in 2011 were predicting the U.S. would reach 101% of GDP by 2021. It is now 2012, only one year later, and we have already crossed the 101% marker. Add to this the projected costs of Obamacare ($17 Trillion in estimated long term unfunded obligations), and what you get is a broke-ass country: http://washingtonexaminer.com/sessions-obamacare-costs-2.6-trillion-in-ten-years/article/2500877 The only factor which has stayed the tide of a full-blown macro-implosion of the U.S. is the world reserve status of our currency. The dollar is all we have left. Period. But don’t count on that for much longer either. With multiple nations, including China and Japan (our largest foreign debt holders) quietly forming bilateral trade agreements cutting out the use of the greenback, it will not be long before its world reserve status disappears as well, and then, we are on our own. The private Federal Reserve can print all they want, but if other countries no longer need dollars to facilitate cross border trade, then what we will get is hyperinflation, or stagflation. Obamacare only expedites this process by generated even more liabilities we cannot cover, thereby giving the central bank even more excuse to churn out dollars with wild abandon. To put it plainly, all those people who believe America is the “richest country in the world” are living in mushroom land. We-are-broke. Bust. In the red. In the hole. Insolvent. Our pockets have become lint traps. We’re switching from fine Belgian beer to Busch Light. And, we can’t all move back in with our parents like so many Obamacare proponents I have met… Go Ahead, Try To Enforce Obamacare… We-have-no-money. Therefore, the debate over universal socialized medicine is pointless. It is mathematically and economically impossible to implement. What the Supreme Court says on the subject of socialization certainly matters in terms of principle, and they have failed Americans spectacularly in that respect (or served their globalist sugar-daddies well; however you want to look at it). But, in terms of finance, the Supreme Court’s shocking decision means nothing. One of Ron Paul’s primary arguments against the ongoing wars in the Middle East has always been that whether one agrees with these conflicts or not is irrelevant. The U.S. does not have the means to fund them. Eventually, we will break the bank and the dollar to maintain our presence in the region, and thus, the wars WILL end, one way or another. The same philosophy goes for Obamacare and every other socializing program presented in America. They will say that taxation will cover the costs; but how do you raise taxes on a populace that is growing more destitute every year. How do you take money from people if they do not have it? This tactic doesn’t seem to be working very well for Europe. Also, keep in mind that as population and inflation grow exponentially, so will costs. Meaning, the taxation will have to expand as fast, or faster, than the expenditures. This is why so many opponents of Obamacare voice concerns over population reduction programs and rejected care; they are an inevitable end result. When you institutionalize health and life under the auspices of bureaucracy, you must also invariably institutionalize death. Population and life suddenly become a numbers issue to the state, rather than a moral issue. They will say that the penalties to those who refuse to participate will cover the costs of the rest. Again, how to you take money from people that do not have it? What if millions of people simply refuse to participate, AND refuse to pay penalties? They will say “tax the corporations”, and we could, but, as the derivatives crisis has proven, most major corporations in the U.S. are on the government take just to survive. We cannot have corporate bailouts and increased corporate taxation at the same time. The bailouts would have to end, the companies would collapse (as they should, but that’s besides the point), and we’re right back to where we started. Just like our government, most corporations also operate on false wealth. They will not be paying for Obamacare anytime soon. They will say that it is all for the greater good, but since when has the establishment been qualified to define what the “greater good” is? Is Obamacare really a matter of conscience? Or, is it a farce flaunted about as if it is a matter of conscience? They will say that people must be forced to do what is right for the group. I say, such hubris has always led to catastrophe. Usually, it is the select beneficiaries of tyrannical cultures that call for the might of the central government to be wrought upon the rest of the citizenry. Not to do right by conscience, but to satiate their desire for control. Men love government as long as it is imposing their particular world view, and as long as the tables never turn. They will say that current medical practices and costs are terrible and something must be done. I agree. However, Obamacare is not the answer. If there is one thing that wears thin upon my mind it is the one track thinking of the progressive ilk who know that Obama’s healthcare initiative is a stop gap at best, but barrel forward anyway because “at least it is something different”. “Don’t you want to help the poor”, they say. Certainly. I want to help them by saving them from the disaster that socialism will inevitably lead to. Principles and existentialist debates aside, the primary economic question still remains; where is a realistic plan to pay for this monstrosity of a program? I have yet to see a single grounded solution to the quandary. How does one pay for something he will never be able to afford? If there are no means, there will be no Obamacare.
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#7. To: Capitalist Eric (#0)
But we can go to war anytime anywhere...;} No. Single Payer Medicare/VA for ALL is doable at anytime with whatever we have. See Cuba for details. But not to worry. Climate change is here now. Hoover Dam stops producing electricity by 2017. IT will make humans, if not extinct, less than 400 millions.
No. No we can't. We're using borrowed money, or money "printed" from thin air... And that dog ain't gonna' hunt for much longer. See Cuba for details. Ok, I confess... I can't tell if you're serious, or just being sarcastic. CUBA? PLEASE tell me you're joking. Nothing like holding up a complete shit-hole of a country as your role model... LOL. Hoover Dam stops producing electricity by 2017. Uh-huh.... ((((eyeball roll)))) Truly, you're delusional.
So we're going to strand troops overseas?
You think the lack of the Iphone, Ipad and Kindle is gonna' cause mass death? Truly, you're delusional. No, but an Arctic Ice Free will do the trick.....;} Been here since Katrina, Mr Reality. You can point to when I underestimated AGW....;} Said KC would be 115 this Summer back in February.....;}
Like I said, you're delusional.
So the implication of your bull shit is that 1940 was the Hottest the N Hemisphere has ever been. And that it's taken 75 years for the arctic where N Hemisphere HEAT/CO2 travels to.... to Melt....;} You stick with that. PIOMAS July 2012 Another month has passed and so here is the updated Arctic sea ice volume graph as calculated by the Pan-Arctic Ice Ocean Modeling and Assimilation System (PIOMAS) at the Polar Science Center: http://neven1.typepad.com/.a/6a0...70b0176162bf1b8970c-800wi http://neven1.typepad.com/.a/6a0...37970b01774311e6ef970d-pi This year's trend line is still tracking below last year's record. In fact, the difference in volume has become greater. 2012 is currently 1713 and 1110 km3 below 2010 and 2011 respectively. PICT20120630 Average thickness for June 30st (in m): * 2005: 2.47 * 2006: 2.44 * 2007: 2.19 * 2008: 2.34 * 2009: 2.11 * 2010: 1.91 * 2011: 1.75 * 2012: 1.69 If the model is correctly assessing sea ice volume in the Arctic, chances of new extent and area records have just become more likely. As we saw last year, the perfect weather conditions we saw in 2007 are not even necessary for that to happen. Hoover Dam stops producing electricity by 2017. LAs Vegas, Phoenix, Tucson collapse. With LA not doing much better.
It's real simple; AGW was a scam dreamt up 30 years ago to fleece sheeple, and promote a eugenics movement. Chew your cud, mcToejam. Putz.
Chew your cud, mcToejam. Putz. Hey, Smegma! You're dreamin' all right. Enjoy Hell....;} Keep wankin' away...while you try and figure how to pay all your debt, slave..... IT's simple....your Magic Fairy Dust don't work no more. 80% believe we've fucked up the climate. Just your Snake Handlin' Church buddies & your Gated Community.....;} Sincerely Mister Jimmie High temperature sets new record for day Cincinnati.com - 57 minutes ago ... several hours this afternoon, as the high temperature broke the record for the day. ... I have a billion-dollar idea for Apple: Build an iPhone plant in Cincinnati, and eventually other U.- 8:31 pm ..... Latest News from Cincinnati.
Keep wankin' away...while you try and figure how to pay all your debt, slave..... And the individual who calls itself mcgowanjm (not Jim, but jm so it could be Julie for all we know) is avoiding that hell how, exactly? Believe in global warming and you will somehow be saved? And how are you paying all your slave debt, mcgowan? Are you somehow above it all? Posting nasty jabs to others at Liberty's Flame must be of significant importance to you. Enjoying your paradise, are you?
Yes, that's what this Planet is.... Paradise.....as your Zio Fundy folks seem to think raping and pillaging of same is a really good idea. I look forward to that stopping.....yes....yes, I do.... You want to call that: 'Enjoying your paradise, are you?' Go right ahead. Us DIrty Fuckin Hippies have put up with worse.... Planet Hell moving to a different track now....;}
You are incoherent as usual.
mcgowan Julie's posting from another universe. We mere humans can't be expected to understand. Let her speak freely the language only she understands.
Women are gone from LF. And blacks, Muslims, Latinos, poor never applied. You zioFundy's can't help warring on women.... And STILL no condemnation of Mad Dog. You understand that? ;}
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#8. To: mcgowanjm (#7)
But we can go to war anytime anywhere...;}
Single Payer Medicare/VA for ALL is doable at anytime with whatever we have.
Climate change is here now.
IT will make humans, if not extinct, less than 400 millions.
You think the lack of the Iphone, Ipad and Kindle is gonna' cause mass death?
#9. To: Capitalist EricNo we can't. We're using borrowed money, or money printed from thin air... And that dog ain't gonna' hunt for much longer. (#8)
No we can't. We're using borrowed money, or money "printed" from thin air... And that dog ain't gonna' hunt for much longer.
#12. To: All (#9)
IT will make humans, if not extinct, less than 400 millions.
#17. To: mcgowanjm (#12)
You can point to when I underestimated AGW....;}
#26. To: Capitalist Eric (#17)
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#34. To: mcgowanjm (#26)
#35. To: Capitalist Eric (#34)
It's real simple; AGW was a scam dreamt up 30 years ago to fleece sheeple, and promote a eugenics movement.
#38. To: mcgowanjm, Capitalist Eric (#35)
Enjoy Hell....;}
#43. To: Zesta (#38)
Enjoying your paradise, are you?
#44. To: mcgowanjm (#43)
#47. To: A K A Stone, mcgowanjm (#44)
You are incoherent as usual.
#48. To: Zesta (#47)
We mere humans can't be expected to understand.
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