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Title: A Californian Sees the Writing on the Wall
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URL Source: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012 ... s_the_writing_on_the_wall.html
Published: Jul 1, 2012
Author: John McLaughlin
Post Date: 2012-07-01 13:58:11 by CZ82
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A Californian Sees the Writing on the Wall By John McLaughlin Two-term Congressman Tom McClintock, an emerging leader of California's conservative faction, holds an optimistic view about the upcoming national election -- but he harbors troubling doubt regarding how victorious Republicans will respond. In a recent sit-down interview for American Thinker, I sought to obtain a follow-up report on the escalating dispute between House Republicans and the IRS over alleged harassment of Tea Party organizations and key leaders. As reported in a post-interview blog, the dispute may move toward a formal hearing before the House Ways and Means Committee. Then, McClintock, who overpowered his Democrat rival 64% to 36% in California's recent primary election, offered views on other issues of the day. AT: You serve on the powerful House Budget Committee, whose chairman, Paul Ryan, managed to get a budget bill passed and sent to the Senate. In a speech on the House floor, you expressed sympathy with those "who believe the budget can and should be balanced much sooner." Yet you urged passage. Why? TM: Paul Ryan operates under the constraint that he's got to develop a plan that can pass the House of Representatives. My point to conservatives is we can bring the budget back under control faster than this does, but that's not the issue. The issue here is: is this sufficient to restore the solvency of the United States government in time to avert a sovereign debt crisis? It certainly meets that test. This is a case where we must not allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good. This is enough to save our country. That's enough to merit our support, even though we can all imagine something better. AT:While all that may be fine in a contentious election year,to really move toward balancing the budget, Congress must roll back the budget baseline, cut the size of the federal government, and make radical revisions to entitlement programs. Do you agree? TM: We could roll back the baseline to zero, shutting down the federal government, sending the military home, firing every government employee, closing every federal office and all of the embassies overseas -- everything -- [that] still doesn't balance the budget, because entitlement programs are currently consuming more than the entire revenues of the government. Until we address the entitlement spending, we can't bring the federal government back toward solvency. The beauty of the Ryan plan is that it offers a vastly superior plan to bring entitlements under control without hurting current Medicare recipients. A point I made recently with respect to the appropriations bills is they still contain an enormous amount of utterly indefensible spending. Even though they were within the Ryan minimums, that's still no excuse for wasting money. Our charge was to stop wasting money. Under the Constitution, all appropriations begin in the House of Representatives. The buck starts here. The government does not spend a dollar unless the House of Representatives says it spends that dollar. We can no longer blame Harry Reid in the Senate or Barack Obama in the White House for waste in the budget. If it passed our House, we've approved it, and we're responsible for it. Unfortunately, a great deal of waste is still passing the House. AT: If Republicans get control of the Senate and Mitt Romney is president, would the House leadership be willing to grasp this issue and truly cut spending? TM: I don't know. That is the question on which the jury is still out. What I do know is the rank-and-file House members have already proven themselves ready and willing to do so. Most of the amendments that were offered to further reduce the appropriations bills this year commanded a majority -- and in some cases an overwhelming majority -- of House [Republican] members. The problem is that those cuts were opposed by the leadership which, in conjunction with the Democrats, killed the amendments. So I don't have a ready answer for you. I don't know. I do know this: without a Senate majority and the White House, bringing spending under control is impossible. But I can't tell you with confidence that the Republican leadership in the House has measured up to the trust that the people have already given it. AT: There are going to be people upset by that. According to recent reports, about a dozen conservatives at a dinner meeting discussed how Boehner and other House leaders can be pushed toward a more aggressive legislative and PR campaign against Democrats this summer. Can you speak to the attitude discussed? TM: I was not there, but I share their concerns. I've stated to Boehner directly in Republican conference meetings that I believe it is a mistake to assume responsibility for passing legislation out of the House to the liking of Harry Reid and a majority of the Senate Democrats -- the position they've taken on many critical bills. It is the responsibility of the House, I have said, to pass legislation that comports with the promises we made to the people who entrusted us with a majority of the House. It is the responsibility of Harry Reid and the Democrats in the Senate to pass really bad legislation because that is what they promised their constituents they would do. Once each house has acted, we'll have two entirely different visions of the future from which the American people can choose. That doesn't mean that, in the meantime, we have to suffer with gridlock. There is a conference process that has evolved over centuries that is very good at resolving differences between the two houses. The problem is that that process, in its classic form, hasn't been invoked in many years AT: In the last number of years, the House votes out specific legislation, it goes over to the Senate, and Harry Reid sits on it. Or it's subject to filibuster rules, and nothing gets done. The end result is we're stuck with continuing resolutions as a way to keep things going. TM: The continuing resolutions ought to abide by the process I've just outlined. Unfortunately, instead, the continuing resolutions which originate in the House are pre-negotiated with Harry Reid. So, the House is then bound by the diktats of Harry Reid, who is not even a member of the House -- and that's what I object to. I've said, once each house has acted independently, as the Constitution envisions, and we have a conference process that then resolves the differences, I will cut the leadership a deal of slack on that final product because it does have to be the product of compromise. But I will not give them that latitude on legislation originating in the House, which should comport with the promises we made to the people who gave us the majority. It should not comport with what Harry Reid and the Democrats want. I think [Boehner] makes a very big mistake when he attempts to craft legislation in the House to assure its passage in the Senate. That's not his job. That's not the job of the House. That's the job of the conference committee to be convened after each house has acted independently on a subject. AT: The latest Field poll shows Obama leading Romney in California [48-32]. However, a favorability rating below 50% for the incumbent this early suggests possible problems for him later -- given that incumbents generally drop in favorability as the election nears. Do you think Obama could actually lose California? TM: We should not take the election lightly or for granted. There's too much riding on it. However, I don't believe this is going to be a close election. I think it's going to be one of the most historic blowouts in the history of the country. There is something going on out there among the American people that the polls are simply not picking up. We catch glimpses of it every now and then. We got a glimpse of it in West Virginia a few weeks ago, where the president of the United States finds himself on the Democratic ballot with a convicted felon currently serving time in Texas, and everybody knows that. The convicted felon serving time in Texas wins 41 percent of the Democratic votes in the primary in West Virginia against the incumbent Democratic president. Two weeks later, we see the same percentage in Arkansas. The same day in Kentucky, Obama's on the ballot by himself, but in Kentucky you can vote "uncommitted," and 42 percent of the Democrats in Kentucky voted for "uncommitted" over the incumbent president of their own party. We saw the same thing in Wisconsin, where things were supposed to be neck-and-neck, and it turns out that Walker wins by at least 7 points. So there's something going on out there that the polls are not picking up. AT: An article in American Thinker argued that the election would not be about jobs or other issues. It would be about a clash of worldviews. Romney is beginning to move in that direction. Obama is moving that way, too, to the extent he stops thrashing from one issue to another. Do you concur? TM: Absolutely. This is a different climate from any I've seen in the 40 years or so that I've been actively in the political arena. There is a far higher level of civic engagement than anything I've seen before this. The closest I can come to it is the month or so prior to the 1980 election, but that was very short-lived. This has been going on since the spring of 2009, and it has continued to increase in intensity as people do what Americans have always done when they sense their county is in trouble. They sense a danger gathering on the horizon, and they rise to the occasion. They're doing that this time. They're paying far closer attention to the issues involved in this election than I've ever seen. You can find such civic engagement occasionally throughout American history as climactic, but not in my lifetime. This is something very rare and very profound. I think that this generation is destined to rediscover and restore American founding principles on individual liberty, constitutionally limited government, and personal responsibility. Even though I'm a bit more pessimistic over the next year or two because of the policies now in place, I'm much more optimistic about the long-term future of our country. This is not the first time that our country has drifted away from its founding principles. But the farther it drifts, the stronger those principles begin to pull us back. We're seeing that dynamic again in our own time, and I can't imagine a more exciting period to be alive in our country than right now because I believe this generation is going to be the one to restore those principles
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#1. To: CZ82 (#0)
And there you have it. There is something going on out there among the American people that the polls are simply not picking up. We catch glimpses of it every now and then. We got a glimpse of it in West Virginia a few weeks ago, where the president of the United States finds himself on the Democratic ballot with a convicted felon currently serving time in Texas, and everybody knows that. The convicted felon serving time in Texas wins 41 percent of the Democratic votes in the primary in West Virginia against the incumbent Democratic president. Two weeks later, we see the same percentage in Arkansas. The same day in Kentucky, Obama's on the ballot by himself, but in Kentucky you can vote "uncommitted," and 42 percent of the Democrats in Kentucky voted for "uncommitted" over the incumbent president of their own party. We saw the same thing in Wisconsin, where things were supposed to be neck-and-neck, and it turns out that Walker wins by at least 7 points. So there's something going on out there that the polls are not picking up. This is easily explained. "The Chocolate Messiah" got all the "White Guilt" voters last time,who wanted to "prove" they are prejudiced by voting for a black President. Even though Obama is only half-black,that was close enough for them to shed themselves of the guilt they have been taught to feel for having been born white. Now that these people have it out of their systems,they're not going to do it again. If anybody calls them a racist for not supporting "The One",they can angrily inform them "I can't be a racist! I voted for Obama the last tiime!" Obummer is still going to get more than 100 percent of the black vote,but they ain't enough votes to keep him in his current job. And chances are that after all the riots and unprovoked attacks by blacks on innocent whites if Obumer loses,there won't be another black president in the next 50 years. Obummer and his supports will have accomplished what nobody thought could be accomplished. They will have tilted over the Black Gravy Train.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Tom McClintock has seen the writing on the wall for a long time and I always voted for him when I lived in his district. The attempt to Gerrymander him out of office failed badly. He's very popular with conservatives. New McClintock ping list created! He'd be a good VP for Mitt, but is unlikely to be chosen, IMO.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Imagine had HE instead of the fake-conservative and RINO Governator been rightfully elected Gov of Kalifornia?
You're right - he might help organize and reverse the GOP oval-office march to the Left so that means he's off the VP list.
Of course. Which is why our Republic is now doomed... "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury." "Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero
We need 3 or 4 more elections like 2010 -- where we toss 60 to 70 Congressmen and Senators, along with 300 or 400 State Legislators, out on their rotten asses. If nothing still changes, then it will be time to dust off the muskets.
We just got back from California last night. We drove from Seattle to Southern California last weekend and spent the week at Disney Land / California Adventure Park, San Diego Zoo and the San Diego Wild Animal Park. We didn't drive through McClintock's district (which is northeast of Sacramento). We did drive through the central valley between Sacramento and LA (about 6 hours). The farmers are pissed as hell. Virtually every farm along I-5 had multiple signs trashing Obama and Pelosi, complaining about the water situation, and (many) supporting Ron Paul. California is by far the largest agriculture producing state in the country. No one else is even close. Given how important California farmers are to the country, their anger could easily be turned into a very powerful weapon against the loony left with the right plan.
You'd think so wouldn't you? But you see, your problem is that you are SANE. You aren't a libTURD. If you want to see how libTURDS deal with disgruntled farmers and agricultural problems, I need to say only one word. ZIMBABWE. (Although ALL of the Southern Africa nations show the EXACT same things about how the "left" "governs".)
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
ZIMBABWE. Very true. Russia under Stalin as well. Starving millions is easier than shooting millions.
. Yep
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Hope he's right, but I don't share his optimism. I don't think we have enough people any more who even know our founding principles, much less care about restoring them.
He'd be an awesome choice. Please add me to your list, as I am currently on dialup and do not have the patience to find how to get to the list page ;(
That anger is already utilized on the local level, b/c of various water-denying policies. Romney needs to get in on some of it as well.
As an Obama/Bush D&R party clone Romney has no chance in California, but a phony stab at pretending to be pro-American on water issues might resonate with the rubes elsewhere, who watch Faux sNews and listen to Rush Libbought. "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy The sheeple choose violent revolution, whether against an Obama or a Mitt administration. Weeple have spoken, lock and load.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
A few comments........ Mclintock has Boehner pegged. So the question arises, why not lead the charge to get a new Speaker--and not one based on having worked thru the ranks, i.e., Cantor!! We saw Newt pull this crap, and worse--but then, Boehner isn't done yet. He had 70+ freshmen representatives willing to walk thru fire when the GOP finally got control of the House after 40 years. So what did he do with them? Look at the pic of Newt and Pelosi for a hint. Further, if anyone thinks the GOP is interested in cutting spending or bringing things under control, you are sadly mistaken. I know from experience that this is the case. I ran for office under the GOP banner. I served in the State Senate chamber at the behest of the GOP. I observed what went on in the capitol where a month was essentially wasted as lobbyists wined and dined and Dems and Reps partied into the night. I rented rooms from a lobbyist group so I could be near the workplace (I was out of the area). These lobbyists had the two highest ranking GOP Senators over for dinner more than once--and I sat in with them as I knew them from my campaigning days. At the end of the session, I wrote up a detailed 8 page letter of various things I had observed while in the position of Senate Journals Clerk. Hundreds of thousands of dollars in savings could have been recognized had most of them been handled. [This was Montana, so hundreds of thousands of dollars was a lot of money] This letter was sent to the top 5 Senators. I never so much as got a 'thank you' or even a 'thank you now go to hell' from any of them. So when you hear people in government say they can't cut anymore, they are simply LYING.
It also shows how many fools are out there being ashamed of what color they are.... Looks like the MSM has succeded in it's quest with some folks....
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Truthfully I would rather be known as a racist because the meaning of the word seems to have changed over the years.. It used to mean being discrimatory towards those of other colors, now it seems to mean one that sticks by his opinions/convictions!!!
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But does he really want to be associated with Mitt??
Political Bumper Stickers: The fastest way in the world to let people know you are a total dumbass.... Total number of Obama 2012 bumper stickers I've seen so far......5.. Total number of Romney 2012 bumper stickers I've seen so far...0.. Total number of Obama vs GW Bush 2012 bumper stickers....2!!
If nothing still changes, then it will be time to dust off the muskets. +2!! BTW in your tagline I wonder if we could get those 2 to volunteer for the shrinkage??
Political Bumper Stickers: The fastest way in the world to let people know you are a total dumbass.... Total number of Obama 2012 bumper stickers I've seen so far......5.. Total number of Romney 2012 bumper stickers I've seen so far...0.. Total number of Obama vs GW Bush 2012 bumper stickers....2!!
Because right now there isn't enough "new blood" to get it done, there are still too many establishment types/parasites. Maybe after this election you might have a better chance of pulling that one off. For starters 19 of them are retiring and a couple have already been primaried, on top of that I think more Democrats are up for re-election than "Pubbies".... so you never know... Here check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections,_2 012
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I don't think we have enough people any more who even know our founding principles, much less care about restoring them. You know I see so many people that are so pizzed off at what is going on in this country... That gives me "somewhat" of a better feeling, it makes me think that enough people may actually care about making this mess go away... But they will have to make a whole lot of people mad to accomplish that, so do they have the "guts" for that?? (only time will tell)..
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Those two and a couple million more like them. Wouldn't that be great?
That would be outstanding!! I've always wondered how hard it would be to combime Lemming DNA with their DNA, but nobody seems to be able to answer that question.... Fortunately they believe in abortion more than we do so that's "somewhat" taking care of the problem, it's the only reason we are still "somewhat" free!!!
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In the House, they are ALL up for re-election. They only serve 2 year terms. OTOH, it is the Senate that has 6 year terms...allegedly they are the more thoughful, contemplative group, more sober, somber, yada yada...typical garbage. When I was younger I used to think it terrible that all the Republicans (well, Dems, too) would talk about 'my dear esteemed friend across the aisle'...when they are supposed to be opposing ideals. Come to find out, they really mean it. For instance, Booby Hatch was a best friend to Teddy the Swimmer Kennedy! You see where that left the 'merikan people. I'll just be nice and say, 'we came in third' in that love fest. As it regards waiting, this shouldn't be so. There are a number of longer serving Reps, sort of like the Paul Ryan gang, who could be talked into doing this. Especially if the case was made about how they have been coming in third behind the interests of the Prez, and the Senate' and using recent history as examples. And if nothing else, maybe it would shake some sense into Boiehner's head!
I'll just be nice and say, That's right, don't know what I was thinking unless it was about how good that cup of coffee tasted.... By the way please feel free to go and get "self-righteous" periodically, (everybody else does) nobody will complain except for a few whiners...
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Probably not. I expect that Rand Paul feels the same about a VP offer from Mitt.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
He actually came out and said he would be honored to run with Mitt the day after he endorsed him.... But does he really mean it??? Or would he be willing to bite the bullet just to get the chance to show the country how different he and his associates are from the establishment types???
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IRRC, Rand said that he'd be honored to be considered for Mitt's VP, not that he'd take the job.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
IRRC, Rand said that he'd be honored to be considered for Mitt's VP, not that he'd take the job. I haven't seen a video on which one he actually said, but I've seen articles written both ways..... I wouldn't mind him running with Mitt as long as he's doing it for the right reasons... And I also wouldn't blame him if he didn't either, if he thinks that would be the better choice...
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Nah..I don't want to start something again; I really do want to try to maintain a higher level of communication.......but there are times when I almost do! :)
If or when you decide to ping me, I've been told it's legendary!! :} LOL...
Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….
Uh-oh....somebody's been talking out of school! LOL.
The problem is that those cuts were opposed by the leadership which, in conjunction with the Democrats, killed the amendments.
#2. To: CZ82, *Tom McClintock for President* (#0)
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#3. To: hondo68, Serenissima Venezia (#2)
Tom McClintock has seen the writing on the wall for a long time and I always voted for him when I lived in his district. The attempt to Gerrymander him out of office failed badly. He's very popular with conservatives.
#4. To: hondo68 (#2)
He'd be a good VP for Mitt, but is unlikely to be chosen, IMO.
#5. To: CZ82 (#0)
We could roll back the baseline to zero, shutting down the federal government, sending the military home, firing every government employee, closing every federal office and all of the embassies overseas -- everything -- [that] still doesn't balance the budget, because entitlement programs are currently consuming more than the entire revenues of the government. Until we address the entitlement spending, we can't bring the federal government back toward solvency.
-- Alexis de Tocqueville --
#6. To: CZ82 (#0)
The problem is that those cuts were opposed by the leadership which, in conjunction with the Democrats, killed the amendments.
we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)
#7. To: hondo68 (#2)
(Edited)
Tom McClintock has seen the writing on the wall for a long time and I always voted for him when I lived in his district.
we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)
#8. To: jwpegler, hondo68 (#7)
(Edited)
California is by far the largest agriculture producing state in the country. No one else is even close. Given how important California farmers are to the country, their anger could easily be turned into a very powerful weapon against the loony left with the right plan.
#9. To: Mad Dog (#8)
If you want to see how libTURDS deal with disgruntled farmers and agricultural problems, I need to say only one word.
we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)
#10. To: jwpegler (#9)
#11. To: CZ82 (#0)
Even though I'm a bit more pessimistic over the next year or two because of the policies now in place, I'm much more optimistic about the long-term future of our country. This is not the first time that our country has drifted away from its founding principles. But the farther it drifts, the stronger those principles begin to pull us back. We're seeing that dynamic again in our own time, and I can't imagine a more exciting period to be alive in our country than right now because I believe this generation is going to be the one to restore those principles
#12. To: hondo68 (#2)
New McClintock ping list created! He'd be a good VP for Mitt, but is unlikely to be chosen, IMO.
#13. To: jwpegler (#7)
Given how important California farmers are to the country, their anger could easily be turned into a very powerful weapon against the loony left with the right plan.
#14. To: Serenissima Venezia, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#13)
Romney needs to get in on some of it as well.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#15. To: CZ82 (#0)
#16. To: sneakypete (#1)
that was close enough for them to shed themselves of the guilt they have been taught to feel for having been born white.
#17. To: sneakypete (#1)
"I can't be a racist! I voted for Obama the last time!"
#18. To: hondo68 (#2)
He'd be a good VP for Mitt, but is unlikely to be chosen, IMO.
#19. To: jwpegler (#6)
We need 3 or 4 more elections like 2010 -- where we toss 60 to 70 Congressmen and Senators, along with 300 or 400 State Legislators, out on their rotten asses.
#20. To: rowdee (#15)
So the question arises, why not lead the charge to get a new Speaker--and not one based on having worked thru the ranks, i.e., Cantor!!
#21. To: Serenissima Venezia (#11)
Hope he's right, but I don't share his optimism.
#22. To: CZ82 (#19)
BTW in your tagline I wonder if we could get those 2 to volunteer for the shrinkage??
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)
#23. To: jwpegler (#22)
Those two and a couple million more like them. Wouldn't that be great?
#24. To: CZ82 (#20)
#25. To: rowdee (#24)
In the House, they are ALL up for re-election. They only serve 2 year terms.
#26. To: CZ82 (#18)
does he really want to be associated with Mitt??
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#27. To: hondo68 (#26)
I expect that Rand Paul feels the same about a VP offer from Mitt.
#28. To: CZ82 (#27)
said he would be honored to run with Mitt
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#29. To: hondo68 (#28)
said he would be honored to run with Mitt
#30. To: CZ82 (#25)
By the way please feel free to go and get "self-righteous" periodically, (everybody else does) nobody will complain except for a few whiners...
#31. To: rowdee (#30)
but there are times when I almost do! :)
#32. To: CZ82 (#31)
If or when you decide to ping me, I've been told it's legendary!! :} LOL...
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