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Title: Richard Dawkins: "I can't be sure God does not exist" (most famous atheist in the world blinks)
Source: The Telegraph
URL Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/rel ... e-sure-God-does-not-exist.html
Published: Jul 1, 2012
Author: John Bingham
Post Date: 2012-07-01 12:30:04 by Liberator
Keywords: atheist, agnostic, God
Views: 18208
Comments: 45

He is regarded as the most famous atheist in the world but last night Professor Richard Dawkins admitted he could not be sure that God does not exist.

He told the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, that he preferred to call himself an agnostic rather than an atheist.

The two men were taking part in a public “dialogue” at Oxford University at the end of a week which has seen bitter debate about the role of religion in public life in Britain.

Last week Baroness Warsi, the Tory party chairman, warned of a tide of “militant secularism” challenging the religious foundations of British society.

The discussion, in Sir Christopher Wren’s Sheldonian Theatre, attracted attention from around the world.

As well as being relayed to two other theatres, it was streamed live on the internet and promoted fierce debate on the Twitter social network.

For an hour and 20 minutes the two men politely discussed "The nature of human beings and the question of their ultimate origin" touching on the meaning of consciousness, the evolution of human language – and Dr Williams’s beard.

For much of the discussion the Archbishop sat quietly listening to Prof Dawkins’s explanations of human evolution.

At one point he told the professor that he was “inspired” by “elegance” of the professor’s explanation for the origins of life – and agreed with much of it.

Prof Dawkins told him: “What I can’t understand is why you can’t see the extraordinary beauty of the idea that life started from nothing – that is such a staggering, elegant, beautiful thing, why would you want to clutter it up with something so messy as a God?”

Dr Williams replied that he “entirely agreed” with the “beauty” of Prof Dawkins’s argument but added: “I’m not talking about God as an extra who you shoehorn on to that.”

There was surprise when Prof Dawkins acknowledged that he was less than 100 per cent certain of his conviction that there is no creator.

The philosopher Sir Anthony Kenny, who chaired the discussion, interjected: “Why don’t you call yourself an agnostic?” Prof Dawkins answered that he did.

An incredulous Sir Anthony replied: “You are described as the world’s most famous atheist.”

Prof Dawkins said that he was “6.9 out of seven” sure of his beliefs.

“I think the probability of a supernatural creator existing is very very low,” he added.

He also said that he believed it was highly likely that there was life on other planets.

At one point he discussion strayed onto the theoretical question of whether a traditional cut throat razor could be described as a more complicated thing than an electric shaver.

There was laughter as the Archbishop said he would attempt an answer before adding: “Not that I know much about razors.”

During a wide-ranging discussion the Archbishop also said that he believed that human beings had evolved from non-human ancestors but were nevertheless “in the image of God”.

He also said that the explanation for the creation of the world in the Book of Genesis could not be taken literally.

“The writers of the Bible, inspired as I believe they were, they were nonetheless not inspired to do 21st Century physics,” he said.

When Prof Dawkins suggested that he believed the Pope took a rather more literal interpretation of the origins of humans, the Archbishop joked: “I will ask him some time.”

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Amidst the observation that Prof. Dawkins' was “inspired” by “elegance” of the professor’s explanation for the origins of life, and agreed with much of it, we have THIS inanity by Dawkins:

“What I can’t understand is why you can’t see the extraordinary beauty of the idea that life started from nothing – that is such a staggering, elegant, beautiful thing, why would you want to clutter it up with something so messy as a God?”

No, we CAN'T see it, Professor Dummy. What is more staggering than a supposed respected, top "intellectual" of our time - Richard Dawkins....

1) Concluding Life was created out of nothing

2) Opining that a God or "Creator" "cutters" and "messes up" his Fantasy of "something-made-out-of-nothing". (Of course believing otherwise would also mean there's a Creator whose judgment looms)

3) Expecting the rest of us to intellectually "understand" and accept the Impossible: "Something-created-out-of-nothing" - especially a mind and consciousness - the NON-physical

Does.

NOT.

Compute.

Not that the inanity was all Dawkins...

The "Man of the Cloth" - Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, also said that the explanation for the creation of the world in the Book of Genesis could not be taken literally. HIS own Fairy Tale belief was that he believed that human beings had evolved from non-human ancestors (aka Extra-Terrestrials), but were nevertheless “in the image of God”.

Why then bother believing ANY of the Bible, Archbishop? I mean after all - Jesus Christ HIMSELF used to quote the Old Testament. Are you calling HIM a Liar?

This public “dialogue” at Oxford - one of the main symbolic "intellectual" centers of the world - was an exercise in the blind leading the blind-er.

Liberator  posted on  2012-07-01   12:40:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Liberator (#1)

Why then bother believing ANY of the Bible, Archbishop? I mean after all - Jesus Christ HIMSELF used to quote the Old Testament. Are you calling HIM a Liar?

Apparently Rowan Williams doesn't believe all the Bible.....his stance on homosexuals serving as ministers certainly isn't biblically based.

rowdee  posted on  2012-07-01   13:06:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: rowdee, TooConservative, Redleghunter (#4) (Edited)

Apparently Rowan Williams doesn't believe all the Bible.....his stance on homosexuals serving as ministers certainly isn't biblically based.

Aaaah....

So we have a shill posing as the "Christian" representation? One might ask whys this kind of "Christian" cites the Bible for ANY support of their business...er...I mean religion (cough, hack).

Btw, those collars sure are sooo convincing sometimes.

;-)

Liberator  posted on  2012-07-01   13:13:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Liberator, GarySpFc, rowdee (#6)

Apparently Rowan Williams doesn't believe all the Bible.....his stance on homosexuals serving as ministers certainly isn't biblically based. Aaaah....

So we have a shill posing as the "Christian" representation? One might ask whys this kind of "Christian" cites the Bible for ANY support of their business...er...I mean religion (cough, hack).

Btw, those collars sure are sooo convincing sometimes.

;-)

Yeah, the atheists seem to find their "credible" opposition from the ranks of liberal "theologians."

This makes their job a lot easier.

Just wanted you to know TC no longer posts here. He confirmed this to me last week on LP. If the disturbing thread titles and language continues, I might have to go that way as well. LF is linked to Google, which archives stuff for their masters. If I get black listed for discussing and proclaiming the Word, so be it. But do not want to be dragged down as associated with potty talk, which is getting a bit heated here as of late.

redleghunter  posted on  2012-07-03   14:51:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: redleghunter (#7)

I need to check in more for news. Lib, did you leave LP?

GarySpFC  posted on  2012-07-05   2:14:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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