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Title: Three Articles that help explain Israel
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Published: Jun 24, 2012
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Post Date: 2012-06-24 10:03:21 by SJN
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The Invisible Church As the Bible describes the church, it becomes clear that the church is both what we see and what we cannot see. Church. The word paints a picture. You see the building in which you worship. It may be a small, white-frame building set on a hill in the quiet countryside. Or it may be a large, stone structure occupying a street corner in a busy city. It’s not unusual for us to think of a building when we think of church. Worship is an important part of our lives, and that worship takes place in a building we love, whether it is fancy or plain. But that is not the way the word church is used in the Bible. In Scripture, church most often refers to people and not to buildings. The church is invisible In the New Testament the word ecclesia is often translated as church. Ecclesia refers to a group of people who have been called together. It is an assembly. Yet even that definition does not fully explain what the church is. As the Bible describes the church, it becomes clear that the church is both what we see and what we cannot see. The church is both visible and invisible. Why would we call a church invisible? You can see a building. You can see the people who gather in that building. Yet we do speak of the church as invisible in the Apostles’ Creed when we confess “I believe in the holy Christian church, the communion of saints.” Sometimes people mistakenly use the term saint to refer to a person who does an abundance of good deeds, someone who helps others. But the Bible uses the term to describe simply a believer. We even distinguish between believers who have been called home to heaven and those who still battle in this world. We speak of saints triumphant and saints militant. The apostle Peter describes these believers as “a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God” (1 Peter 2:9). Together all believers form the holy Christian church, a “spiritual house” made up of living stones chosen by God. When the Holy Spirit works faith in our hearts, we become part of this structure. The Lord Jesus can see the faith in our hearts. We, however, can only see the fruits of faith and not the faith itself. Because we cannot see faith, the church is invisible to our eyes. The prophet Elijah did not recognize that there were still seven thousand believers in Israel (1 Kings 19:8-18). He thought that he was the only believer left. Likewise, we cannot always tell whether a person is a believer or an unbeliever. As the Bible describes the church, it becomes clear that the church is both what we see and what we cannot see. Although the church may be invisible to us, the Lord sees his church clearly. “The Lord knows those who are his” (2 Timothy 2:19). At the same time each person knows what is in his or her heart. Trusting in the promises the Lord gives us, we know that we belong to that communion of saints, the church of God. Characteristics of the invisible church This invisible gathering of all believers is not limited by geography. The apostle John reminds us that believers come from different places and “from every nation, tribe, people and language” (Revelation 7:9). In addition, the church is not limited by time. All believers who have lived, are now living, and will live until Jesus returns at the end of time—all these believers are part of this church. The church, the body of all believers, is invisible, and it is also universal. Once again we confess this fact in the Third Article of the Apostles’ Creed. “I believe in the holy Christian church.” The first people who used this confession of faith said, “I believe in the holy catholic church.” The word catholic originally had no denominational connotation. It simply meant universal. When catholic became associated with a particular organization, the word Christian was substituted to prevent confusion. In the Apostles’ Creed we confess that we believe that the Lord gathers together everyone whose faith is in Jesus Christ as the Savior. People believe in many things. We say that we believe in our team, in our country, and in people who are dear to us. Likewise, many people believe in some religious figure other than Christ. God’s invisible church gathers together only those people who confess Jesus as their Savior. We distinguish ourselves from the followers of Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, and every other religion. We confess that Jesus Christ is true man and true God. We believe that Christ is sinless and perfect and that he is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. As the Bible describes the church, it becomes clear that the church is both what we see and what we cannot see. In a world that suggests that it does not matter what you believe as long as you believe, it becomes important to remember that the invisible church gathers together all believers in Christ. Without faith in Jesus we cannot be saved. Without Jesus we have no part in the communion of saints, the gathering of all believers. Jesus makes that clear when he says, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6). People die. Church buildings may fall apart. Congregations may disband. But the invisible church continues. The Lord has promised that there will always be true believers who are kept faithful by the power of God. “My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand” (John 10:27,28). What a comfort it is to know that the Holy Spirit, who calls us to faith, also preserves us in that faith through the gospel in Word and sacraments! It is easy to become attached to a congregation. It is in that fellowship that we listen to the good news of Jesus proclaimed. There we hear that our sins are forgiven. In our congregation we draw close to Jesus as we receive the sacrament of his body and blood. Likewise the building in which a congregation worships may be a special place. It may be the same structure in which we were baptized, confirmed, and married. It reminds us of all the blessings God has showered upon us. But we are part of something that is even more valuable, the holy Christian church. Our triune God has brought us together with people we may never see or know on this side of eternity. Through faith the Lord has made us a part of the congregation of all believers. Right now we are not able to see this church in its entirety. Yet what is invisible to our eyes now will be seen when the Lord returns in glory. What a joy it will be to see all believers from every part of the world and from all times! The day will come when we will gather together and praise the God of grace who gives us membership in his family, the invisible church. That church is not really invisible. It is only invisible to us. God sees it clearly. James Korthals, a professor at Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, Mequon, Wisconsin, is a member at David’s Star, Jackson. Peter's Picture of the Church 1 Peter 2:4-10 The word "temple" in our modern society usually describes a large, beautiful building which is used for the worship of some god. The use of such temples goes back thousands of years. Peter used it to paint a beautiful word picture of Jesus and his church in 2:4-8. Made up of living stones Jesus is pictured in many ways in John's gospel. Peter adds his own picture here, when he writes, "The Lord Jesus is the living stone" (v. 4). In verse 6 he gives the original source for this statement (Isaiah 28:16), where God said, "Look! I'm laying a stone in Zion [another name for Israel], a very special cornerstone of great value, and the person who believes in him will never be disappointed." In the ancient world the cornerstone was more than a stone on which was carved the date of construction. The cornerstone determined the length, the width, and the height of the building, so that the whole building depended on that cornerstone. That is the picture Peter uses to describe the church in verse 5a, where he says, "And since you are living stones, as you come to him you are built up into a spiritual temple," of which Jesus is the cornerstone. The church is built on Jesus, and around Jesus, the cornerstone. And it is made up of people who are like Jesus--perfectly holy beings in God's sight. That is the way God sees every person who truly believes in Jesus as his or her Savior, because our God-given faith makes us new creatures who are perfectly holy in God's sight, and every such person "will never be disappointed" on Judgment Day. Then Peter explains in verse 7, "This means that he's of great value to you people who believe in him, but for those who don't believe in him, 'the stone which the builders [the Jewish nation as a whole] decided was no good, is the very one which has become the cornerstone'; and 'the stone which will make people stumble, and the rock which will make them fall.' "How clear Peter makes it that Jesus is the difference between eternal life and eternal damnation. We are now a holy group of priests Next Peter uses a new metaphor in verse 5 when he says that the believers who come to Jesus as living stones "are built up into a spiritual temple, to be a holy group of priests, who offer up spiritual sacrifices which God is happy to receive." He continues in verses 9,10, "There was a time when you were no people at all, but now you are God's people. You who never knew God's mercy have now received his mercy." Praise the Lord! Peter is reminding us that there was a time when we were all outsiders, so far as God is concerned, unbelievers who had never heard of the triune God. But now that we have heard the good news and have come to believe it, we are God's people, while the Jews, as a nation, have rejected their Messiah and are outsiders. Now you must take note of the fact that every believer is a priest whose principal occupation it is to offer spiritual sacrifices to our triune God each day of our lives. Yes, from morning to evening we offer our God our thanks and praises for the undeserved love he has shown us by sending first his Son to atone for all our sins, and then his Holy Spirit who has brought us to believe the good news that all our sins are forgiven by Jesus' death on the cross, so that we are now God's children who are perfectly holy in God's sight. Our task as priests is to also bring him our other sacrifices. First there are our time and our talents which we spend carrying out the different tasks we can do as members of our congregations. In some cases we may give our Lord all of our time and talents to serve as pastors, teachers, missionaries, or church office workers. All of us, whether we are active workers or not, can offer the Lord a portion of our financial resources, which represent the value of our time spent in some gainful occupation. And of course the temple in which we serve is known to us as the church, the whole body of believers. The picture of the church that Peter gives us here is perhaps the most complete picture to be found anywhere in the Bible. Julian Anderson is a retired pastor and seminary professor living in Naples, Florida. Samuel: A Judge in Israel Concentrating on the Lord is daunting when dangers clamor for attention. Think back 300 years before Samuel. Following the death of those who carved a Jewish homeland out of Canaan, “another generation grew up, who knew neither the Lord nor what he had done for Israel” (Judges 2:10). To awaken his spiritually-anesthetized people, God enlisted neighboring nations to harass, enslave, and terrorize Israel. Slapped to consciousness, God’s people recognized their sin, pleaded for forgiveness, and prayed for relief. God then raised up leaders—judges—who with the Lord’s power pushed back the oppressors. Moral and spiritual health flourished. But “when the judge died, the people returned to ways even more corrupt than those of their fathers . . .” (Judges 2:19). Repenting to God This cycle of godlessness, oppression, repentance, freedom, upright living, and a return to godlessness repeated itself until Samuel. Remember Eli and his sons? 1 Samuel 7 brings us to a repentance and freedom section of that cycle and to Samuel as Israel’s final judge. The Ark of the Covenant remained in the border town of Kiriath-Jearim for 20 years after the Philistines captured it and then returned it to stem a Lord-induced plague. During those two decades “all the people of Israel mourned and sought after the Lord” (7:2). To confirm that renaissance of faith, Samuel summoned his countrymen to a spiritually essential, but politically provocative, act—national purification and rededication. Israel was not a free country. Philistine overlords kept close watch. When their surveillance noticed huge numbers of Israelites staging at Mizpah (literally, “look out point”), their early-warning alarms wailed. Mizpah was a military gem mounted in hills about eight miles north of Jerusalem. Soon the sound of Philistine marching boots, the clank of armor, and the bellow of war trumpets echoed off Mizpah. “When the Israelites heard of it, they were afraid . . .” (7:7). No doubt. Concentrating on the Lord is daunting when dangers (dare we add personal problems or financial difficulties) clamor for attention. Victory through God Samuel, however, urged Israel to fasten on God. “Do not stop crying out to the Lord our God for us, that he may rescue us” (7:8). Strength was not in their military might, but in the Lord’s omnipotence. God confirmed that. With Israeli knees bent in prayer and without an Israeli sword unsheathed, God’s deafening thunder routed the Philistine army. Panicked, the troops stumbled south toward safety. Their backs made easy targets. The Philistine losses that day did not completely free Israel. We await Saul and David to accomplish that. Israel, however, did enjoy a season of peace with Philistia and, as a fringe benefit, with the Amorites. Concentrating on the Lord is daunting when dangers clamor for attention. To mark the victory, Samuel set up a monument called Ebenezer (“stone of help”). Ebenezer stones (church cornerstones, wedding anniversaries, birthdays) remind us, “Thus far has the Lord helped us.” But our most conclusive proof that there’s always an upside in our downside world is Jesus, “the stone the builders rejected [that] has become the capstone” (1 Peter 2:7). James A. Aderman is pastor at Fairview, Milwaukee.
(The Following article should help to illuminate why the Nation of Israel and it's people have seen thousands of years of turmoil).
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oh ok U.S. Congress, H.J. Resolution 104, Public Law 102-14, 1991
What kind of twisted mind do you have to think I would want and enjoy living somebody else's nightmare for even 23 seconds,never mind 23 minutes? Or that I would even waste 23 minutes of my life to hear a cult spiel?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Or that I would even waste 23 minutes of my life to hear a cult spiel? The 23 GAZILLION HOURS you've wasted engaging the gay-statist nightmare named "yu-klown" on a dopey forum called Liberty Post seemed to be important enough to you, so what do I know? Oh, I just remembered why I gave it a shot - I care about your eternal soul and thought you might consider 23 MORE minutes wouldn't exactly break the camel's back. My bad. The guy's nightmare (for some) is far more intimate and personal account of the wrong side God, but here is the short of it (14 & 15 being part of the dream/nightmare): Revelation 20 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. When you get bored of the usual political banter that won't really matter real soon, give that 23 minutes a serious look.
Here is the bill. You'll see that it names a day as Education Day in honor of some well-known Jewish Rabbi. It does not put the USA under some Noahide law of the world. Below the bill I've included the actions taken on the joint resolution; there you'll see that the Senate added some sort of preamble and then passed the bill. 102d CONGRESS 1st Session H. J. RES. 104 JOINT RESOLUTION To designate March 26, 1991, as `Education Day, U.S.A.'. HJ 104 EH 102d CONGRESS 1st Session H. J. RES. 104 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JOINT RESOLUTION To designate March 26, 1991, as `Education Day, U.S.A.'. Whereas Congress recognizes the historical tradition of ethical values and principles which are the basis of civilized society and upon which our great Nation was founded; Whereas these ethical values and principles have been the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization, when they were known as the Seven Noahide Laws; Whereas without these ethical values and principles the edifice of civilization stands in serious peril of returning to chaos; Whereas society is profoundly concerned with the recent weakening of these principles that has resulted in crises that beleaguer and threaten the fabric of civilized society; Whereas the justified preoccupation with these crises must not let the citizens of this Nation lose sight of their responsibility to transmit these historical ethical values from our distinguished past to the generations of the future; Whereas the Lubavitch movement has fostered and promoted these ethical values and principles throughout the world; Whereas Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, leader of the Lubavitch movement, is universally respected and revered and his eighty-ninth birthday falls on March 26, 1991; Whereas in tribute to this great spiritual leader, `the rebbe,' this, his ninetieth year will be seen as one of `education and giving,' the year in which we turn to education and charity to return the world to the moral and ethical values contained in the Seven Noahide Laws; and Whereas this will be reflected in an international scroll of honor signed by the President of the United States and other heads of state: Now, therefore, be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That March 26, 1991, the start of the ninetieth year of Rabbi Menachem Schneerson, leader of the worldwide Lubavitch movement, is designated as `Education Day, U.S.A.'. The President is requested to issue a proclamation calling upon the people of the United States to observe such day with appropriate ceremonies and activities. Passed the House of Representatives March 5, 1991. Attest: Clerk. _____________________________________________________________________________ MAJOR ACTIONS: 1/31/1991 Introduced in House 3/5/1991 Committee on Post Office and Civil Service discharged. 3/5/1991 Passed/agreed to in House: On passage Passed without objection. 3/7/1991 Passed/agreed to in Senate: Passed Senate without amendment and with a preamble by Voice Vote. 3/7/1991 Cleared for White House. 3/14/1991 Presented to President. 3/20/1991 Signed by President. 3/20/1991 Became Public Law No: 102-14.
I can't help but ask if whoever wrote this 'stuff' has a clue as to how the legislative process in the United States works. This is some pitiful concept of how the process goes.
LMAO! McGowan after all his whining and finger-pointing at mankind dismisses the power of his REAL Destroyer of Mother Earth: "Gaia"...*is a cannibal*! (or are you a Zombie, Jimmy?) Hey! We're STILL awaiting an answer from you: WHY does Gaia/Mother Earth seem to hate all living things? Since earth's beginning, what the casualty list? Since nothing lives forever, isn't she your prime suspect in a mass murder cover-up - with YOU as an accessory?? And WHY does she keep on screwing up the weather throughout history? She grew jungles on both poles only to play a dirty trick and apparently turned the planet on its axis and freeze to death ALL life there - as well as during the recent Ice Age. before that she killed all the dinosaurs...killed every man since the beginning...launched the Great Flood, drowned nearly the entire world... And NOW you won't blame HER for the single degree that's supposed changing the planet's weather?? Pretty lame of you. Can you please have a word or two with her?? tell her to behave like a lady. Thanks. If you have the time, the link below will bring you to a Francis Schaeffer book review that points out the futile effort of mankind trying to find their own solutions to "being." www.tonybartolucci.co m/reading/schaeffer.pdf Yes sir. Thanks, I'll check that out...
You don't know much if you think I would be interested in that brainwashing,or that I wouldn't feel insulted because you want to "save my soul". What's wrong with my soul? How is yours any better? Worry about saving your own soul and leave me out of this crap.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
whyofcourse usually means whyofcourse it is anti Jew propaganda. He is a 4forumer. It is never to late.
Lots sneaky. For one you would tell little kids that two men have a right to be " married". Confusing them and possibly fucking them up. You are as leftist as any liberal on that one.
You talkin' to me?....;}
1991.... The year when the USSA went from calling our Enemies.... we've always got one, eh..... COMMUNISTS to wait for it..... TERR'rists......;} ALL you need to know. O and that PEACE DIVIDEND just MAGICALLY went away.....8D Thanx bunches Poppy....;}
Whoever posted this is getting smart. The INSTANT I see False, I stop reading. Mosdt likely the first sentence......8D You're wasting your time posting the rest.....;}
Like that......;} GOOD NEWS.... World USSA Empire coming to a halt. Can no longer be sustained. Air Force Academy evacuated......;} hot bed of zioFundys.....LMFAO
...when MARTIAL LAW IS DECLARED,and the Constitution abolished, THEN you will witness with your own eyes the unveiling and public display of these modern military guillotines, and the US and foreign troops training (in FORT LEWIS, FORT BRAGG, FORT HOOD and elsewhere)to operate them on AMERICAN violaters... But...but...those are just....CTs!!! Our nation wuz HACKED!! (really & truly) Some of us do know exactly what's coming down the pike; Know the Elites have conspired to sabotage and undermine America, Christians, and the US Constitution. But at the same time we must realize this is actually a *spiritual* battle. Fast & Furious was an attempt to prematurely help destroy the 2A. It didn't work this time, but obvious treason is still underfoot at the steps of the WH and Congress, and has been since Poppa openly declared his "New World Order". Eventually SOME event or events will either make illegal bullets (the "right to bear arms" NOT *technically* affected in that case, eh?) OR guns. Martial Law WILL be implemented within the next 4 years; And yes, all of the above is inevitable - 99% of the dumbed-down oblivious to their demise OR the fake piece of "GD paper" - the US Constitution - which presently is ostensibly merely a PROP for a DC museum.
You felted "insulted"?? Geez...lol. What's wrong with my soul? How is yours any better? Worry about saving your own soul and leave me out of this crap. That's THE point; No soul is any better than anothers. We are all too filthy for entry into heaven. That's where the blood of Christs cleanses us. The problem is with your heart and mind - they're hardened. That makes your soul impenetrable. I realize you understand the theory and the matter of faith and salvation, but just can't believe it. I thought it (the 23 minutes) was worth mentioning because at times you seem to have an open mind. One day I hope someone get through to you - no offense.
No,I wouldn't. What part of "It's not any of my business what consenting adults do in their private lives." that you don't understand? You are as leftist as any liberal on that one. Wrong,once again! YOU and those like you are on the left on this one,because homosexuals were either jailed or locked away in mental institutions in communist countries.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
My mind IS open to the FACT that you and others like you have as much of a RIGHT to worship as you see fit (barring such nonsense as human sacrifice,of course) as I and others like me have the RIGHT to NOT worship at all. I wouldn't change this even if were in my power to do so. If it makes you happy and harms no one else,have at it to your hearts content.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
I wouldn't change this even if were in my power to do so. If it makes you happy and harms no one else,have at it to your hearts content. I get it I get it...I appreciate it... Look - if I didn't care about you as a person, I wouldn't bother pinging you to it. I still regard you as a good and fair man, Pete, despite our differences. Always have. Just wish you hadn't had that terrible "fundie" experience way back when with your relatives. Or for that matter *other* bad fundie experiences. They just don't come into play in the End.
Jimmy!! WHEN are going to address these issues?? I can assure you I will keep on demanding an answer...until you and your snow-pea pod sized balls do so. You've whined and finger-pointed at mankind affecting the weather while dismissing (according to YOUR Cult-Belief) the power of his REAL Destroyer of Mother Earth: "Gaia". Now tell us - *is she a cannibal*?? A sadistic b*tch? Or just a cruel Mistress and Satanic Mother?? OR, is the God you claim doesn't exist the culprit? (but oh - THAT would present quite a conundrum for you and the other Tree-Huggers, wouldn't it??) MORE questions for you, Jimmy: WHY does Gaia/Mother Earth seem to hate all living things? And since the Planet's inception (when it wuz created out of thin air), what has been THE casualty list? Gazillions?? Since nothing lives forever, isn't Gaia/Mother Earth your REAL culprit and "murderer"? Where's HER culpability from your perspective? OR....are you an accessory of a mass murder cover-up by Mother Earth and instead blaming a God you believe does NOT exist? Wanna explain THAT?? Tell us Oh Great McGowan: And WHY does Mother Earth/Gaia keep on screwing up the weather throughout history? Fossils prove she grew jungles at both poles - only to play a dirty trick and apparently turned the planet on its axis and freeze to death ALL life there - as well as during the recent Ice Age. Before that she killed all the dinosaurs...killed every man since the beginning...launched the Great Flood (PROVEN EVENT), drowned nearly the entire world... And NOW you won't blame HER for the puny degree in temperature that's supposed changing the planet's weather TODAY?? Go on and answer. The SAME questions shall remain on this board, ON the 'McGowan Wire' for Eternity. UNTIL YOU DO.
Pete: "What part of "It's not any of my business what consenting adults do in their private lives." that you don't understand?" Promoting/demanding "gay marriage" through legislative coercion and the courts has ZIP to do with privacy issues of consenting adults. What are you missing about this kind of fascism, Pete?
So where are all these quillotines being stockpiled?
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
GOOD NEWS.... World USSA Empire coming to a halt. Can no longer be sustained. Air Force Academy evacuated......;} hot bed of zioFundys.....LMFAO That was not my quote. Perhaps you should address it to the tinfoil hat brigade member who posted it. Ziofundy's...too funny. Below is the threat: As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
The whole part were people you claim to be fascists are pushing for the same individual rights everyone else has. You see so little demand for individual freedoms from fascists.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
And who makes them and what is the Federal Stock number so we can all buy stock and get wealthy?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
You see so little demand for individual freedoms from fascists. So in YOUR opinion, the position that opposing the fallacious term, "gay marriage", is fascism?? It's my OWN damn "individual right" to not ONLY oppose it politically and personally, but call it WRONG. What bugs YOU is that I oppose it on RELIGIOUS grounds as well. Too damned bad. Your precious queers can f** whomever they want in the privacy of YOUR own bedroom or yu-klowns - nobody is stopping you OR him. They have even shoved their perverted agenda up our azz through schools, the media, YOUR goob, and the entertainment industries and corrupt the world WITH impunity. And still you're b*tching and moaning about "individual rights". Are you frickin' serious?? What's your BS "fascism" claim again?? (and type slowly this time.)
I'm sorry but your constant posting of these thread scrambling graphics prompts me to place you as my soul guess in the bozo room. See ya later, perhaps.
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
Wrong,once again! YOU and those like you are on the left on this one,because homosexuals were either jailed or locked away in mental institutions in communist countries. You, a leftist? Who knew?
There's a bozo room here?
You see so little demand for individual freedoms from fascists. What you ignore is that the homosexual minority, are demanding that the Government mandate that the homosexual be not only allowed to marry, but to be married in any Christian church. They are demanding that the Government insert their rules in to religion! The designs of these homosexuals is more than being allowed "equality" in the public sphere. They are demanding that churches and religious organizations be compelled to turn their backs on Gospel teachings in order to accommodate their deviant behavior which is against the very underpinnings of Religion and it's FREEDOM from STATE. The whole movement is less about being free to "do whomever" and more about perverting the religion and using the state to do it. So who then is the fascist?
No. What is fascist is telling others they are to be required by law and the force of government to live according to YOUR beliefs. It's my OWN damn "individual right" to not ONLY oppose it politically and personally, but call it WRONG. And you have every right to those opinions. For YOU. You do NOT have the right to demand others live according to your opinions. Your precious queers can f** whomever they want in the privacy of YOUR own bedroom or yu-klowns - nobody is stopping you OR him. Now they are MY queers and I want to let them into MY bedroom? And you STILL wonder why people think you are hysterical when it comes to this? What's your BS "fascism" claim again?? (and type slowly this time.) If you haven't understood it by now it is because you dno't choose to understand it.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
It was so big a secret that it even came as a shock to me.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
You have this totally backwards. At first the "gay" movement was one of being able to tell the public that they enjoy sex with the same gender, then it was about being able to receive the same benefits from and employer. (Insurance,etc. as IF they were married). Now it's about churches and religious organizations being forced to marry them in their church's! Wake the frick up. This is not about their freedom to screw the same sex and receive married type benefits. It is about inserting their demands on the religious organizations of America by way of Government decree.
There are lies,and there are damn lies. What I quoted above falls into the "damn lie" category,and I have no doubt you heard this at church. The plain FACT of the matter is NOBODY has the authority in this country to tell a church who they have to allow to attend their services,or to whom they MUST provide services. Freedom of Religion is a double-edged sword. It cuts both ways. It is as un-Constitutional for the government to tell a religious institution that the MUST provide wedding oaths and ceremonies to homosexuals as it is for the government to tell homosexuals that they don't have the same right as other citizens to marry the adult of their choice, Now,no agent of the GOVERNMENT can refuse to marry homosexuals,and that is also the way it's supposed to be.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
I actually have no problem with a civil marriage between same sex people at city hall. But you are sadly mistaken if you think that is where it ends.
So,now you are bitching about what they WANT,regardless of the fact they have zero chance of obtaining some of it? What is more dangerous to the Republic than homosexual marriage is fundie Christians trying to replace the Constitution with their religious superstitions.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Have you not read all about how it's now supposed to be HATE mongering by religious people, organizations who refuse to meet the demands of the minority of homosexuals? See Canada to gain a clue.
Me,either. Not that it would matter if I did. Rights are rights,and not subject to popular approval. But you are sadly mistaken if you think that is where it ends. That HAS to be where it ends. The Constitution says so.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
No,but I don't get your church newsletter,either. See Canada to gain a clue. Since when has the US Constitution been the law of the land in Canada?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
You are very ignorant apparently of how we arrived at our Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. I suggest you do a thorough review of the Federalist papers and the earlier history which also was used to write such marvelous documents. You seem to ignore that this nation was founded by people who were seeking religious freedom.
That is a well known fact. What's your point?
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#95. To: Liberator (#65)
#96. To: sneakypete (#95)
What kind of twisted mind do you have to think I would want and enjoy living somebody else's nightmare for even 23 seconds,never mind 23 minutes?
#97. To: SJN (#90)
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#98. To: whyofcourse (#89)
The NOAHIDE LAWS legislation was written by the Orthodox Jewish organization based in Brooklyn, NY. They presented them to George Bush SR (Mr. NWO himself) to sign into leglslation.
#99. To: redleghunter, mcgowanjm, Mad Dog (#88)
Yes, I ask that question of the "noble savage" as he eats his neighbor with a dash of henri sauce.
#100. To: Liberator (#96)
The 23 GAZILLION HOURS you've wasted engaging the gay-statist nightmare named "yu-klown" on a dopey forum called Liberty Post seemed to be important enough to you, so what do I know?
#101. To: rowdee, whyofcourse (#98)
#102. To: sneakypete (#100)
What's wrong with my soul?
#103. To: Liberator (#99)
#104. To: whyofcourse (#89)
#105. To: Liberator (#87)
Not so fast. You did not respond to the remainder of my post.
#106. To: redleghunter (#80)
My research suggests that this One-World Government,.....
#107. To: whyofcourse (#89)
In addition to the FEMA camps, coffins, and FEMA death trains, the NWO are stockpiling GUILLOTINES to behead all those who do not conform to the Noahide Laws and image of the NWO beast system...
#108. To: sneakypete (#100)
You don't know much if you think I would be interested in that brainwashing,or that I wouldn't feel insulted because you want to "save my soul".
#109. To: A K A Stone (#102)
For one you would tell little kids that two men have a right to be " married".
#110. To: Liberator (#108)
I thought it (the 23 minutes) was worth mentioning because at times you seem to have an open mind.
#111. To: sneakypete (#110)
My mind IS open to the FACT that you and others like you have as much of a RIGHT to worship as you see fit (barring such nonsense as human sacrifice,of course) as I and others like me have the RIGHT to NOT worship at all.
#112. To: mcgowanjm, redleghunter, Mad Dog, Ferret Mike All (#99)
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#113. To: sneakypete, A K A Stone (#109)
A K A: "For one you would tell little kids that two men have a right to be " married".
#114. To: whyofcourse, Liberator, NewsJunky, Logsplitter, Serenissima Venezia, SJN, Biff Tannen, mcgowanjm, A K A Stone, sneakypete, aras (#89)
In addition to the FEMA camps, coffins, and FEMA death trains, the NWO are stockpiling GUILLOTINES to behead all those who do not conform to the Noahide Laws and image of the NWO beast system.
#115. To: mcgowanjm, TooConservative, Liberator (#106)
My research suggests that this One-World Government,..... Like that......;}
#116. To: Liberator (#113)
What are you missing about this kind of fascism, Pete?
#117. To: redleghunter (#114)
So where are all these quillotines being stockpiled?
#118. To: sneakypete (#116)
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The whole part were people you claim to be fascists are pushing for the same individual rights everyone else has.
#119. To: redleghunter (#115)
#120. To: sneakypete (#109)
You are as leftist as any liberal on that one.
#121. To: Brian S (#119)
#122. To: sneakypete (#116)
The whole part were people you claim to be fascists are pushing for the same individual rights everyone else has.
#123. To: Liberator (#118)
So in YOUR opinion, the position that opposing the fallacious term, "gay marriage", is fascism??
#124. To: meguro (#120)
You, a leftist? Who knew?
#125. To: sneakypete (#123)
What is fascist is telling others they are to be required by law and the force of government to live according to YOUR beliefs.
#126. To: SJN (#122)
What you ignore is that the homosexual minority, are demanding that the Government mandate that the homosexual be not only allowed to marry, but to be married in any Christian church.
#127. To: sneakypete (#126)
#128. To: SJN (#125)
At first the "gay" movement was one of being able to tell the public that they enjoy sex with the same gender, then it was about being able to receive the same benefits from and employer. (Insurance,etc. as IF they were married). Now it's about churches and religious organizations being forced to marry them in their church's!
#129. To: sneakypete (#126)
#130. To: SJN (#127)
I actually have no problem with a civil marriage between same sex people at city hall.
#131. To: SJN (#129)
Have you not read all about how it's now supposed to be HATE mongering by religious people, organizations who refuse to meet the demands of the minority of homosexuals?
#132. To: sneakypete (#128)
Christians trying to replace the Constitution with their religious superstitions.
#133. To: SJN (#132)
You seem to ignore that this nation was founded by people who were seeking religious freedom.
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