LF: Three Articles that help explain Israel

Title: Three Articles that help explain Israel
Source: WELS (Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod)
URL Source: http://www.wels.net/news-events/for ... december-2008/invisible-church
Published: Jun 24, 2012
Author: various - Noted at end of each article.
Post Date: 2012-06-24 10:03:21 by SJN
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As the Bible describes the church, it becomes clear that the church is both what we see and what we cannot see.

Church. The word paints a picture. You see the building in which you worship. It may be a small, white-frame building set on a hill in the quiet countryside. Or it may be a large, stone structure occupying a street corner in a busy city. It’s not unusual for us to think of a building when we think of church. Worship is an important part of our lives, and that worship takes place in a building we love, whether it is fancy or plain.

But that is not the way the word church is used in the Bible. In Scripture, church most often refers to people and not to buildings.

In the New Testament the word ecclesia is often translated as church. Ecclesia refers to a group of people who have been called together. It is an assembly. Yet even that definition does not fully explain what the church is. As the Bible describes the church, it becomes clear that the church is both what we see and what we cannot see. The church is both visible and invisible.

Why would we call a church invisible? You can see a building. You can see the people who gather in that building. Yet we do speak of the church as invisible in the Apostles’ Creed when we confess “I believe in the holy Christian church, the communion of saints.” Sometimes people mistakenly use the term saint to refer to a person who does an abundance of good deeds, someone who helps others. But the Bible uses the term to describe simply a believer. We even distinguish between believers who have been called home to heaven and those who still battle in this world. We speak of saints triumphant and saints militant.

The apostle Peter describes these believers as “a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God” (1 Peter 2:9). Together all believers form the holy Christian church, a “spiritual house” made up of living stones chosen by God. When the Holy Spirit works faith in our hearts, we become part of this structure. The Lord Jesus can see the faith in our hearts. We, however, can only see the fruits of faith and not the faith itself. Because we cannot see faith, the church is invisible to our eyes. The prophet Elijah did not recognize that there were still seven thousand believers in Israel (1 Kings 19:8-18). He thought that he was the only believer left. Likewise, we cannot always tell whether a person is a believer or an unbeliever.

As the Bible describes the church, it becomes clear that the church is both what we see and what we cannot see.

Although the church may be invisible to us, the Lord sees his church clearly. “The Lord knows those who are his” (2 Timothy 2:19). At the same time each person knows what is in his or her heart. Trusting in the promises the Lord gives us, we know that we belong to that communion of saints, the church of God.

This invisible gathering of all believers is not limited by geography. The apostle John reminds us that believers come from different places and “from every nation, tribe, people and language” (Revelation 7:9). In addition, the church is not limited by time. All believers who have lived, are now living, and will live until Jesus returns at the end of time—all these believers are part of this church. The church, the body of all believers, is invisible, and it is also universal. Once again we confess this fact in the Third Article of the Apostles’ Creed. “I believe in the holy Christian church.” The first people who used this confession of faith said, “I believe in the holy catholic church.” The word catholic originally had no denominational connotation. It simply meant universal. When catholic became associated with a particular organization, the word Christian was substituted to prevent confusion. In the Apostles’ Creed we confess that we believe that the Lord gathers together everyone whose faith is in Jesus Christ as the Savior.

People believe in many things. We say that we believe in our team, in our country, and in people who are dear to us. Likewise, many people believe in some religious figure other than Christ. God’s invisible church gathers together only those people who confess Jesus as their Savior. We distinguish ourselves from the followers of Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, and every other religion. We confess that Jesus Christ is true man and true God. We believe that Christ is sinless and perfect and that he is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.

As the Bible describes the church, it becomes clear that the church is both what we see and what we cannot see.

In a world that suggests that it does not matter what you believe as long as you believe, it becomes important to remember that the invisible church gathers together all believers in Christ. Without faith in Jesus we cannot be saved. Without Jesus we have no part in the communion of saints, the gathering of all believers. Jesus makes that clear when he says, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6).

People die. Church buildings may fall apart. Congregations may disband. But the invisible church continues. The Lord has promised that there will always be true believers who are kept faithful by the power of God. “My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand” (John 10:27,28). What a comfort it is to know that the Holy Spirit, who calls us to faith, also preserves us in that faith through the gospel in Word and sacraments!

It is easy to become attached to a congregation. It is in that fellowship that we listen to the good news of Jesus proclaimed. There we hear that our sins are forgiven. In our congregation we draw close to Jesus as we receive the sacrament of his body and blood. Likewise the building in which a congregation worships may be a special place. It may be the same structure in which we were baptized, confirmed, and married. It reminds us of all the blessings God has showered upon us.

But we are part of something that is even more valuable, the holy Christian church. Our triune God has brought us together with people we may never see or know on this side of eternity. Through faith the Lord has made us a part of the congregation of all believers. Right now we are not able to see this church in its entirety. Yet what is invisible to our eyes now will be seen when the Lord returns in glory. What a joy it will be to see all believers from every part of the world and from all times! The day will come when we will gather together and praise the God of grace who gives us membership in his family, the invisible church. That church is not really invisible. It is only invisible to us. God sees it clearly.

James Korthals, a professor at Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, Mequon, Wisconsin, is a member at David’s Star, Jackson.

The word "temple" in our modern society usually describes a large, beautiful building which is used for the worship of some god. The use of such temples goes back thousands of years. Peter used it to paint a beautiful word picture of Jesus and his church in 2:4-8.

Jesus is pictured in many ways in John's gospel. Peter adds his own picture here, when he writes, "The Lord Jesus is the living stone" (v. 4). In verse 6 he gives the original source for this statement (Isaiah 28:16), where God said, "Look! I'm laying a stone in Zion [another name for Israel], a very special cornerstone of great value, and the person who believes in him will never be disappointed."

In the ancient world the cornerstone was more than a stone on which was carved the date of construction. The cornerstone determined the length, the width, and the height of the building, so that the whole building depended on that cornerstone.

That is the picture Peter uses to describe the church in verse 5a, where he says, "And since you are living stones, as you come to him you are built up into a spiritual temple," of which Jesus is the cornerstone. The church is built on Jesus, and around Jesus, the cornerstone. And it is made up of people who are like Jesus--perfectly holy beings in God's sight. That is the way God sees every person who truly believes in Jesus as his or her Savior, because our God-given faith makes us new creatures who are perfectly holy in God's sight, and every such person "will never be disappointed" on Judgment Day.

Then Peter explains in verse 7, "This means that he's of great value to you people who believe in him, but for those who don't believe in him, 'the stone which the builders [the Jewish nation as a whole] decided was no good, is the very one which has become the cornerstone'; and 'the stone which will make people stumble, and the rock which will make them fall.' "How clear Peter makes it that Jesus is the difference between eternal life and eternal damnation.

Next Peter uses a new metaphor in verse 5 when he says that the believers who come to Jesus as living stones "are built up into a spiritual temple, to be a holy group of priests, who offer up spiritual sacrifices which God is happy to receive." He continues in verses 9,10, "There was a time when you were no people at all, but now you are God's people. You who never knew God's mercy have now received his mercy." Praise the Lord!

Peter is reminding us that there was a time when we were all outsiders, so far as God is concerned, unbelievers who had never heard of the triune God. But now that we have heard the good news and have come to believe it, we are God's people, while the Jews, as a nation, have rejected their Messiah and are outsiders.

Now you must take note of the fact that every believer is a priest whose principal occupation it is to offer spiritual sacrifices to our triune God each day of our lives. Yes, from morning to evening we offer our God our thanks and praises for the undeserved love he has shown us by sending first his Son to atone for all our sins, and then his Holy Spirit who has brought us to believe the good news that all our sins are forgiven by Jesus' death on the cross, so that we are now God's children who are perfectly holy in God's sight.

Our task as priests is to also bring him our other sacrifices. First there are our time and our talents which we spend carrying out the different tasks we can do as members of our congregations. In some cases we may give our Lord all of our time and talents to serve as pastors, teachers, missionaries, or church office workers.

All of us, whether we are active workers or not, can offer the Lord a portion of our financial resources, which represent the value of our time spent in some gainful occupation.

And of course the temple in which we serve is known to us as the church, the whole body of believers. The picture of the church that Peter gives us here is perhaps the most complete picture to be found anywhere in the Bible.

Julian Anderson is a retired pastor and seminary professor living in Naples, Florida.

Concentrating on the Lord is daunting when dangers clamor for attention. Think back 300 years before Samuel. Following the death of those who carved a Jewish homeland out of Canaan, “another generation grew up, who knew neither the Lord nor what he had done for Israel” (Judges 2:10).

To awaken his spiritually-anesthetized people, God enlisted neighboring nations to harass, enslave, and terrorize Israel. Slapped to consciousness, God’s people recognized their sin, pleaded for forgiveness, and prayed for relief. God then raised up leaders—judges—who with the Lord’s power pushed back the oppressors. Moral and spiritual health flourished. But “when the judge died, the people returned to ways even more corrupt than those of their fathers . . .” (Judges 2:19).

This cycle of godlessness, oppression, repentance, freedom, upright living, and a return to godlessness repeated itself until Samuel. Remember Eli and his sons? 1 Samuel 7 brings us to a repentance and freedom section of that cycle and to Samuel as Israel’s final judge.

The Ark of the Covenant remained in the border town of Kiriath-Jearim for 20 years after the Philistines captured it and then returned it to stem a Lord-induced plague. During those two decades “all the people of Israel mourned and sought after the Lord” (7:2).

To confirm that renaissance of faith, Samuel summoned his countrymen to a spiritually essential, but politically provocative, act—national purification and rededication. Israel was not a free country. Philistine overlords kept close watch. When their surveillance noticed huge numbers of Israelites staging at Mizpah (literally, “look out point”), their early-warning alarms wailed. Mizpah was a military gem mounted in hills about eight miles north of Jerusalem.

Soon the sound of Philistine marching boots, the clank of armor, and the bellow of war trumpets echoed off Mizpah. “When the Israelites heard of it, they were afraid . . .” (7:7). No doubt. Concentrating on the Lord is daunting when dangers (dare we add personal problems or financial difficulties) clamor for attention.

Samuel, however, urged Israel to fasten on God. “Do not stop crying out to the Lord our God for us, that he may rescue us” (7:8). Strength was not in their military might, but in the Lord’s omnipotence.

God confirmed that. With Israeli knees bent in prayer and without an Israeli sword unsheathed, God’s deafening thunder routed the Philistine army. Panicked, the troops stumbled south toward safety. Their backs made easy targets.

The Philistine losses that day did not completely free Israel. We await Saul and David to accomplish that. Israel, however, did enjoy a season of peace with Philistia and, as a fringe benefit, with the Amorites.

To mark the victory, Samuel set up a monument called Ebenezer (“stone of help”). Ebenezer stones (church cornerstones, wedding anniversaries, birthdays) remind us, “Thus far has the Lord helped us.” But our most conclusive proof that there’s always an upside in our downside world is Jesus, “the stone the builders rejected [that] has become the capstone” (1 Peter 2:7).

I take Revelation the same as all Scriptures. Where it is plain, you take it plainly. There are, IMHO, three approaches to Revelation and the yet unfulfulled prophecies of the OT. First approach is to take the stand that all of Revelation has been fulfilled, second is that some or most has been fulfilled, and third Revelation is yet to come. Again, IMHO, we are not forbidden to study prophecy in the Bible (those who read will be blessed), but are to be VERY cautious as to being dogmatic (saying we are certain) about the things that are not certain or clear. It is certain Christ will Come Again and to me the events of Revelation 19-22 are yet future and not fulfilled. "The How" it all happens we mortals will never figure out and I think Jesus Christ made that clear to us in Matthew 24-25. He said to look for the signs of His Coming, to be ready/prepared and don't be caught off guard. Paul as well in his Epistles gives us supporting words.

I think whether one adheres to replacement theology or dispensationalism, we must be careful in promoting that 'we know' how it will unfold, other than what we know to be certain, plainly revealed in the Bible. During the time of Irenaeus, there was some speculation with regards to the identity of the anti- christ. Irenaeus quickly but lovingly told those who were trying to equate numbers with a person to focus on the Great Commission and in the rightful words of the Apostles to watch and be ready. I got the impression he meant we were to live our lives as citizens of the Kingdom and follow the commands of Jesus Christ and do so with vigor and love until we "absent from the body but present with the Lord."

With all that, I also have come to another conclusion as a student of God's Word over the years. All is for the Glory of God and we only understand what He has revealed to us. What is clear to me is with God a Promise is a Promise and He is not finished with Israel. And when I mention God is not finished with Israel I will clearly state that I am not promoting the current government structure of secular Israel as the fulfillment of the Promise. Perhaps Israel being a nation now is a forerunner as an identity for things future, but the current Israel still rejects Christ the King and Messiah.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

Not so fast. You did not respond to the remainder of my post. Here it is again for you to see and comment on:

Mr. Jim you have to make up your mind. Are you serious about blaming God when in another breath you tell us He does not exist and that gaia is your god? Then is gaia to blame and what kind of gaia is it if it let things get out of control? Your entire persona is a huge contradiction. What is evident is anger at the sad state of worldly affairs. For that you get no argument. Where we part company is with the Solution. You have anger towards the awful things going on in the world and project that anger towards those who offer the Gospel, which IS THE ANSWER. But you reject that Message because you choose to live by the same standards of life of which is the world you hate.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

That even if God came down from Heaven and handed a personal invitation to an atheist, he/she would still reject Him. But then again, that happened about 2000 years ago.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

Whew! And folks got a bit wound up because I posted a few Jack Chick cartoon tracts:) I ask again, what does any of this have to do with dispensationalism and believing Revelation is yet future?

I am getting the picture a bit I think from your posts. This is all about Jews and not liking them.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

Jesus literally can't GIVE his personal Golden Invite away whether 2000 years ago or today (maybe if he tossed in a FREE six-pack of Bud and pizza he MIGHT recruit a few more takers.)

WHAT is the Solution of an anti-Christian Commie/Anarchist whose "Mother Earth"'s history is rife with "murdering" ALL living things (since nothing lives forever)? You should have seen the lettuce holocaust the other day as I decapitated several heads. Took out a few flies and spiders too. Oh...the humanity!!

Are you praying to the Sun? The Volcanoes? The Oceans? The Dirt? Or is your plan a Blood Sacrifice of Mankind (but only certain ones)?

Of course you would. But at best, all you *could* claim is an "improbability" or an agnosticism of my claim.

When you dream, Junky, are you sure of your "reality"? That your dream IS a "dream"?

IF you fall asleep....and dream...How will you ever know if you've been relieved of your mortal being, escaped your Waking State, and actually died? Or will you depend on CNN to somehow inform you within the grave?

Yes, I ask that question of the "noble savage" as he eats his neighbor with a dash of henri sauce.

If you have the time, the link below will bring you to a Francis Schaeffer book review that points out the futile effort of mankind trying to find their own solutions to "being."

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

Guillotine Death by Noahide Laws PASSED BY CONGRESS-1991

Few Americans have ever heard of the Guillotine Death by Noahide Laws that PASSED CONGRESS in 1991 and signed into Law and was Approved March 20, 1991 by President of the U. S., George Bush Sr.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoQU-KS_6eY

To keep this simple the Laws that are now apart of the American Legal system say that if your have any other faith than the Talmud’s counterfeit Kaballa or break any of the 7 Noahide Laws and one person says that you have done so, you can have your head cut off!

Taken from www.AmericanHolocaustComing.blogspot.com

“Because the NOAHIDE LAWS forbid the free exercise of religion (especially Christianity) in America, and respect on religion over another (JUDAISM over all other religions) they clearly violate the First Amendment Establishment Clause.

THEREFORE, as long as the US CONSTITUION remains in force, they CANNOT ACTIVATE THE NOAHIDE LAWS AND ENFORCE THEM IN AMERICA AT THIS TIME!

However, WHEN the CONSTITUTION IS ABOLISHED through the declaration of NATIONAL EMERGENCY, MARTIAL LAW, THEN you will see the NOAHIDE LAWS activated and the enforcers (which are the military, foreign and domestic) and their guillotines brought out in full force.

THEN the NWO forces and their Jewish supporters will activate the NOAHIDE LAWS, will round up Christians ALREADY ON THE SECRET GOVERNMENT LISTS, and demand that they either RENOUNCE THIER FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST, and conform to their NOAHIDE LAWS, or BE EXECUTED with the guillotines.

It is as simple as that and already spoken of prophetically in Revelation 20:4.

The NOAHIDE LAWS legislation was written by the Orthodox Jewish organization based in Brooklyn, NY. They presented them to George Bush SR (Mr. NWO himself) to sign into leglslation.

Mr. “ILLUMINATI BLOODLINE” Bush knew exactly what he was doing, knew WHO would be primarily targeted, and what would happen to Christians in America as a result.

ALL NWO adherents, Jew and Gentile alike, hate the Christians in America (and worldwide) with a passion, as former adherents admitted to me personally.

They KNOW the Christians in the America are the GREATEST DETERRENT to their realization of a NEW WORLD ORDER agenda!

These Noahide Laws state that Gentiles/Christians must conform to their 7 NOAHIDE LAWS supposed given by God to Noah for GENTILES after the flood. (This is stated nowhere in the Bible, however.)

The penalty for breaking THREE of these NOAHIDE LAWS is CAPITOL PUNISHMENT by BEHEADING. Two of those Jewish laws attack Fundamental Christian beliefs directly:

Prohibition against “BLASPEHMY AGAINST GOD” and “IDOLATRY.” Judaism teaches that Christian faith in Jesus Christ VIOLATES BOTH.

Jesus Christ was ordered EXECUTED by the Jewish Pharisees for declaring he WAS THE SON OF GOD after His arrest. They called His admission “BLASPHEMY” and sentenced Him to death.

And now the Jews in America seek to use their Noahide Laws to discriminate against and finally execute CHRISTIANS for THEIR “blasphemy” of calling Jesus “The Son of God” and worshipping Him as GOD WITH US, “Emmanuel.” Jewish writers of this legislation even mandate CAPITOL PUNISHMENT BY BEHEADING for those who violate 3 of their 7 Noahide laws!

This is FORCED RELIGIOUS CONVERSION AT THE THREAT OF DEATH! Is this a NEW INQUISITION and new DARK AGES coming to “AMERIKA”???

What if JEWS IN AMERICA were given the mandate to renounce their Judaism and CONVERT TO CHRISTIANITY, or be BEHEADED!!!

Can you imagine the public outcry then???

So WHERE is the American/Christian outrage and outcry in this hour? THIS LEGISLATION HAS ALREADY BEEN PASSED AND THE GUILLOTINES ARE HERE!

OUR OWN MILITARY (and foreign also) are training even NOW to operate them on US under martial law!

WHOSE tax dollars pay for their training? WHOSE tax dollars paid for the guillotines to be imported/manufactured?

Americans should be outraged and in protest across the nation, especially in Washington DC, over the NOAHIDE LAWS and their total violation of everything America has ever stood for regarding religious freedoms!

BUT BECAUSE OF OUR CONSTITUTION AND THE FIRST AMENDMENT ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE, they CANNOT activate the NOAHIDE LAWS IN AMERICA YET!

AMERICANS HAVE BUT A SHORT TIME TO PROTEST AND DEMAND THE NOAHIDE LAWS BE RESCINDED AND ABOLISHED NOW!

Otherwise, when MARTIAL LAW IS DECLARED,and the Constitution abolished, THEN you will witness with your own eyes the unveiling and public display of these modern military guillotines, and the US and foreign troops training (in FORT LEWIS, FORT BRAGG, FORT HOOD and elsewhere)to operate them on AMERICAN violaters of these outrageous, discriminatory and strictly Jewish religion-based laws.

THEREFORE, THE JEWS WHO SUPPORT THE NOAHIDE LAWS AND ADVOCATE FORCED CONVERSION OF CHRISTIANS/GENTILES, CANNOT WAIT FOR MARTIAL LAW TO TRANSPIRE.

For then and ONLY then can their NOAHIDE LAWS be fully activated in AMERICA.

The enemies of the American Constitution and Christianity in America, and our religious and all other freedoms, cannot wait for the planned government black ops to take place, nullifying everything promised in the Constitution to us.

So NOW you KNOW WHEN the NOAHIDE LAWS and the horrific modern military GUILLOTINES to enforce them will come into full force in America.”

www.AmericanHolocaustComing.blogspot.com

http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=124669;

This Next article makes the Noahide laws sound so good. But in reality the Noahide Laws are like Rat poison in Candy that will kill you deader than a door nail! These Video talk about the history and details of the Noahide Laws

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOWKMWrwBEI&playnext=1&list=PL1DAD8816DDF8E44C

From http://www.noahide.org/article.asp?Level=456&Parent=88

” US President George W. Bush Discusses Road-Map to World Peace Based on Seven Universal Ben Noah Laws

One thousand religious leaders and pastors gathered together with President George W. Bush and his staff from the White House Office of faith based and community initiatives. During the historical meeting the president and the representatives from different religions discussed methods to search for a better understanding between varied cultures and philosophies in order to improve the life of all people.

Among the religious leaders was Rabbi Yakov Cohen who represented the worldwide Institute of Noahide Code, an organization dedicated to promote the Noahide Code of Seven UniversalNoah Laws. Rabbi Cohen presented the “Road-Map to World Peace”, explaining that theNoah Laws will unite all of mankind.

The Seven Laws of Noahdate back to the time of Noah and is the oldest code of laws in existence. They precede the development of all faiths. Since these are universal laws that prohibit murder, cruelty to animals, sexual misconduct and other universal ethic values they are common and affect all mankind. These laws can be shared by all people from all walks of life.

People need to be aware of the importance of moral and ethical behavior. The problems and challenges we encounter in society are obvious, but we need to educate people that there is a possible solution. Education promotes greater involvement, lack of education causes less involvement.

Following a meeting with the president Rabbi Cohen said:The president was very supportive and responsive to the message we are trying to get across.

He also added we are urging leaders to become more involved in the moral and ethical issues of our society.

In the past moral and ethical values were passed on to children through family and tradition, but now more and more we need the involve schools and communities to get involved to compensate for the breakdown of family structure and traditional beliefs.

People of influence should use their talent and skill in communication to educate and nurture the young generation to understand the time-tested values and ethics that have kept people together and societies healthy. If people were more conscious of a supreme G-d, mass crimes, atrocities and acts of terror would not happen.

Rabbi Cohen who directs the Institute of Noahide Code (http://www.noahide.org) stated that the Jewish people were charged with the mission to educate mankind and be a light onto the nations bypromoting the observance of the Seven Bnei Noah Laws among all mankind.

- We arepresently living through a unique and favorable moment in history. The information age and advanced breakthroughs in technology affords us the tremendous opportunity towidely communicate the knowledge and observance of these laws. – Rabbi Cohen said.

Other religious leaders added that the religious tolerance of today and the trend towards greater democracy and freedom have created the perfect environment and provided awindow of opportunity for the global acceptance of this universal code. It is by adherence to these laws, which are in and of themselves an expression of Divine goodness, which all mankind could unite and be bound by a common moral responsibility to their Creator. When humanity is unified by its highest common denominator, genuine peace and harmony will flourish throughout the world.

Despite the daunting challenge we must remember that a little light could dispel and illuminate a lot of darkness and the darkness will offer no resistance as it melts before the light.The obvious reason being that light is the substance while darkness is merely the void.” http://www.noahide.org/article.asp?Level=456&Parent=88

In addition to the FEMA camps, coffins, and FEMA death trains, the NWO are stockpiling GUILLOTINES to behead all those who do not conform to the Noahide Laws and image of the NWO beast system.

SOURCE: http://antinewworldorderparty.wordpress.com/2011/05/07/guillotine-death-by-noahide-laws-passed-by-congress-1991/

What kind of twisted mind do you have to think I would want and enjoy living somebody else's nightmare for even 23 seconds,never mind 23 minutes?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

The 23 GAZILLION HOURS you've wasted engaging the gay-statist nightmare named "yu-klown" on a dopey forum called Liberty Post seemed to be important enough to you, so what do I know?

Oh, I just remembered why I gave it a shot - I care about your eternal soul and thought you might consider 23 MORE minutes wouldn't exactly break the camel's back. My bad.

The guy's nightmare (for some) is far more intimate and personal account of the wrong side God, but here is the short of it (14 & 15 being part of the dream/nightmare):

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

When you get bored of the usual political banter that won't really matter real soon, give that 23 minutes a serious look.

Here is the bill. You'll see that it names a day as Education Day in honor of some well-known Jewish Rabbi. It does not put the USA under some Noahide law of the world.

Below the bill I've included the actions taken on the joint resolution; there you'll see that the Senate added some sort of preamble and then passed the bill.

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Whereas Congress recognizes the historical tradition of ethical values and principles which are the basis of civilized society and upon which our great Nation was founded;

Whereas these ethical values and principles have been the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization, when they were known as the Seven Noahide Laws;

Whereas without these ethical values and principles the edifice of civilization stands in serious peril of returning to chaos;

Whereas society is profoundly concerned with the recent weakening of these principles that has resulted in crises that beleaguer and threaten the fabric of civilized society;

Whereas the justified preoccupation with these crises must not let the citizens of this Nation lose sight of their responsibility to transmit these historical ethical values from our distinguished past to the generations of the future;

Whereas the Lubavitch movement has fostered and promoted these ethical values and principles throughout the world;

Whereas Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, leader of the Lubavitch movement, is universally respected and revered and his eighty-ninth birthday falls on March 26, 1991;

Whereas in tribute to this great spiritual leader, `the rebbe,' this, his ninetieth year will be seen as one of `education and giving,' the year in which we turn to education and charity to return the world to the moral and ethical values contained in the Seven Noahide Laws; and

Whereas this will be reflected in an international scroll of honor signed by the President of the United States and other heads of state: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That March 26, 1991, the start of the ninetieth year of Rabbi Menachem Schneerson, leader of the worldwide Lubavitch movement, is designated as `Education Day, U.S.A.'. The President is requested to issue a proclamation calling upon the people of the United States to observe such day with appropriate ceremonies and activities. Passed the House of Representatives March 5, 1991.

Clerk. _____________________________________________________________________________

MAJOR ACTIONS: 1/31/1991 Introduced in House 3/5/1991 Committee on Post Office and Civil Service discharged. 3/5/1991 Passed/agreed to in House: On passage Passed without objection. 3/7/1991 Passed/agreed to in Senate: Passed Senate without amendment and with a preamble by Voice Vote. 3/7/1991 Cleared for White House. 3/14/1991 Presented to President. 3/20/1991 Signed by President. 3/20/1991 Became Public Law No: 102-14.

I can't help but ask if whoever wrote this 'stuff' has a clue as to how the legislative process in the United States works. This is some pitiful concept of how the process goes.

McGowan after all his whining and finger-pointing at mankind dismisses the power of his REAL Destroyer of Mother Earth: "Gaia"...*is a cannibal*! (or are you a Zombie, Jimmy?)

WHY does Gaia/Mother Earth seem to hate all living things? Since earth's beginning, what the casualty list? Since nothing lives forever, isn't she your prime suspect in a mass murder cover-up - with YOU as an accessory??

And WHY does she keep on screwing up the weather throughout history? She grew jungles on both poles only to play a dirty trick and apparently turned the planet on its axis and freeze to death ALL life there - as well as during the recent Ice Age. before that she killed all the dinosaurs...killed every man since the beginning...launched the Great Flood, drowned nearly the entire world...

And NOW you won't blame HER for the single degree that's supposed changing the planet's weather?? Pretty lame of you.

Can you please have a word or two with her?? tell her to behave like a lady. Thanks.

If you have the time, the link below will bring you to a Francis Schaeffer book review that points out the futile effort of mankind trying to find their own solutions to "being."

You don't know much if you think I would be interested in that brainwashing,or that I wouldn't feel insulted because you want to "save my soul". What's wrong with my soul? How is yours any better? Worry about saving your own soul and leave me out of this crap.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

whyofcourse usually means whyofcourse it is anti Jew propaganda. He is a 4forumer. It is never to late.

Lots sneaky. For one you would tell little kids that two men have a right to be " married". Confusing them and possibly fucking them up. You are as leftist as any liberal on that one.

Some of us do know exactly what's coming down the pike; Know the Elites have conspired to sabotage and undermine America, Christians, and the US Constitution. But at the same time we must realize this is actually a *spiritual* battle.

Fast & Furious was an attempt to prematurely help destroy the 2A. It didn't work this time, but obvious treason is still underfoot at the steps of the WH and Congress, and has been since Poppa openly declared his "New World Order".

Eventually SOME event or events will either make illegal bullets (the "right to bear arms" NOT *technically* affected in that case, eh?) OR guns.

Martial Law WILL be implemented within the next 4 years; And yes, all of the above is inevitable - 99% of the dumbed-down oblivious to their demise OR the fake piece of "GD paper" - the US Constitution - which presently is ostensibly merely a PROP for a DC museum.

What's wrong with my soul? How is yours any better? Worry about saving your own soul and leave me out of this crap.

That's THE point; No soul is any better than anothers. We are all too filthy for entry into heaven. That's where the blood of Christs cleanses us. The problem is with your heart and mind - they're hardened. That makes your soul impenetrable.

I realize you understand the theory and the matter of faith and salvation, but just can't believe it. I thought it (the 23 minutes) was worth mentioning because at times you seem to have an open mind.

What part of "It's not any of my business what consenting adults do in their private lives." that you don't understand?

Wrong,once again! YOU and those like you are on the left on this one,because homosexuals were either jailed or locked away in mental institutions in communist countries.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

My mind IS open to the FACT that you and others like you have as much of a RIGHT to worship as you see fit (barring such nonsense as human sacrifice,of course) as I and others like me have the RIGHT to NOT worship at all.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Look - if I didn't care about you as a person, I wouldn't bother pinging you to it.

I still regard you as a good and fair man, Pete, despite our differences. Always have. Just wish you hadn't had that terrible "fundie" experience way back when with your relatives. Or for that matter *other* bad fundie experiences. They just don't come into play in the End.

I can assure you I will keep on demanding an answer...until you and your snow-pea pod sized balls do so.

You've whined and finger-pointed at mankind affecting the weather while dismissing (according to YOUR Cult-Belief) the power of his REAL Destroyer of Mother Earth: "Gaia". Now tell us - *is she a cannibal*?? A sadistic b*tch? Or just a cruel Mistress and Satanic Mother?? OR, is the God you claim doesn't exist the culprit? (but oh - THAT would present quite a conundrum for you and the other Tree-Huggers, wouldn't it??)

WHY does Gaia/Mother Earth seem to hate all living things? And since the Planet's inception (when it wuz created out of thin air), what has been THE casualty list? Gazillions??

Since nothing lives forever, isn't Gaia/Mother Earth your REAL culprit and "murderer"? Where's HER culpability from your perspective?

OR....are you an accessory of a mass murder cover-up by Mother Earth and instead blaming a God you believe does NOT exist? Wanna explain THAT??

Tell us Oh Great McGowan: And WHY does Mother Earth/Gaia keep on screwing up the weather throughout history?

Fossils prove she grew jungles at both poles - only to play a dirty trick and apparently turned the planet on its axis and freeze to death ALL life there - as well as during the recent Ice Age. Before that she killed all the dinosaurs...killed every man since the beginning...launched the Great Flood (PROVEN EVENT), drowned nearly the entire world...

And NOW you won't blame HER for the puny degree in temperature that's supposed changing the planet's weather TODAY??

Go on and answer. The SAME questions shall remain on this board, ON the 'McGowan Wire' for Eternity. UNTIL YOU DO.

Promoting/demanding "gay marriage" through legislative coercion and the courts has ZIP to do with privacy issues of consenting adults.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

That was not my quote. Perhaps you should address it to the tinfoil hat brigade member who posted it.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)