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Title: Three Articles that help explain Israel
Source: WELS (Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod)
URL Source: http://www.wels.net/news-events/for ... december-2008/invisible-church
Published: Jun 24, 2012
Author: various - Noted at end of each article.
Post Date: 2012-06-24 10:03:21 by SJN
Keywords: None
Views: 260542
Comments: 482

The Invisible Church

As the Bible describes the church, it becomes clear that the church is both what we see and what we cannot see.

Church. The word paints a picture. You see the building in which you worship. It may be a small, white-frame building set on a hill in the quiet countryside. Or it may be a large, stone structure occupying a street corner in a busy city. It’s not unusual for us to think of a building when we think of church. Worship is an important part of our lives, and that worship takes place in a building we love, whether it is fancy or plain.

But that is not the way the word church is used in the Bible. In Scripture, church most often refers to people and not to buildings.

The church is invisible

In the New Testament the word ecclesia is often translated as church. Ecclesia refers to a group of people who have been called together. It is an assembly. Yet even that definition does not fully explain what the church is. As the Bible describes the church, it becomes clear that the church is both what we see and what we cannot see. The church is both visible and invisible.

Why would we call a church invisible? You can see a building. You can see the people who gather in that building. Yet we do speak of the church as invisible in the Apostles’ Creed when we confess “I believe in the holy Christian church, the communion of saints.” Sometimes people mistakenly use the term saint to refer to a person who does an abundance of good deeds, someone who helps others. But the Bible uses the term to describe simply a believer. We even distinguish between believers who have been called home to heaven and those who still battle in this world. We speak of saints triumphant and saints militant.

The apostle Peter describes these believers as “a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God” (1 Peter 2:9). Together all believers form the holy Christian church, a “spiritual house” made up of living stones chosen by God. When the Holy Spirit works faith in our hearts, we become part of this structure. The Lord Jesus can see the faith in our hearts. We, however, can only see the fruits of faith and not the faith itself. Because we cannot see faith, the church is invisible to our eyes. The prophet Elijah did not recognize that there were still seven thousand believers in Israel (1 Kings 19:8-18). He thought that he was the only believer left. Likewise, we cannot always tell whether a person is a believer or an unbeliever.

As the Bible describes the church, it becomes clear that the church is both what we see and what we cannot see.

Although the church may be invisible to us, the Lord sees his church clearly. “The Lord knows those who are his” (2 Timothy 2:19). At the same time each person knows what is in his or her heart. Trusting in the promises the Lord gives us, we know that we belong to that communion of saints, the church of God.

Characteristics of the invisible church

This invisible gathering of all believers is not limited by geography. The apostle John reminds us that believers come from different places and “from every nation, tribe, people and language” (Revelation 7:9). In addition, the church is not limited by time. All believers who have lived, are now living, and will live until Jesus returns at the end of time—all these believers are part of this church. The church, the body of all believers, is invisible, and it is also universal. Once again we confess this fact in the Third Article of the Apostles’ Creed. “I believe in the holy Christian church.” The first people who used this confession of faith said, “I believe in the holy catholic church.” The word catholic originally had no denominational connotation. It simply meant universal. When catholic became associated with a particular organization, the word Christian was substituted to prevent confusion. In the Apostles’ Creed we confess that we believe that the Lord gathers together everyone whose faith is in Jesus Christ as the Savior.

People believe in many things. We say that we believe in our team, in our country, and in people who are dear to us. Likewise, many people believe in some religious figure other than Christ. God’s invisible church gathers together only those people who confess Jesus as their Savior. We distinguish ourselves from the followers of Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, and every other religion. We confess that Jesus Christ is true man and true God. We believe that Christ is sinless and perfect and that he is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.

As the Bible describes the church, it becomes clear that the church is both what we see and what we cannot see.

In a world that suggests that it does not matter what you believe as long as you believe, it becomes important to remember that the invisible church gathers together all believers in Christ. Without faith in Jesus we cannot be saved. Without Jesus we have no part in the communion of saints, the gathering of all believers. Jesus makes that clear when he says, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6).

People die. Church buildings may fall apart. Congregations may disband. But the invisible church continues. The Lord has promised that there will always be true believers who are kept faithful by the power of God. “My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand” (John 10:27,28). What a comfort it is to know that the Holy Spirit, who calls us to faith, also preserves us in that faith through the gospel in Word and sacraments!

It is easy to become attached to a congregation. It is in that fellowship that we listen to the good news of Jesus proclaimed. There we hear that our sins are forgiven. In our congregation we draw close to Jesus as we receive the sacrament of his body and blood. Likewise the building in which a congregation worships may be a special place. It may be the same structure in which we were baptized, confirmed, and married. It reminds us of all the blessings God has showered upon us.

But we are part of something that is even more valuable, the holy Christian church. Our triune God has brought us together with people we may never see or know on this side of eternity. Through faith the Lord has made us a part of the congregation of all believers. Right now we are not able to see this church in its entirety. Yet what is invisible to our eyes now will be seen when the Lord returns in glory. What a joy it will be to see all believers from every part of the world and from all times! The day will come when we will gather together and praise the God of grace who gives us membership in his family, the invisible church. That church is not really invisible. It is only invisible to us. God sees it clearly.

James Korthals, a professor at Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, Mequon, Wisconsin, is a member at David’s Star, Jackson.

Peter's Picture of the Church

1 Peter 2:4-10

The word "temple" in our modern society usually describes a large, beautiful building which is used for the worship of some god. The use of such temples goes back thousands of years. Peter used it to paint a beautiful word picture of Jesus and his church in 2:4-8.

Made up of living stones

Jesus is pictured in many ways in John's gospel. Peter adds his own picture here, when he writes, "The Lord Jesus is the living stone" (v. 4). In verse 6 he gives the original source for this statement (Isaiah 28:16), where God said, "Look! I'm laying a stone in Zion [another name for Israel], a very special cornerstone of great value, and the person who believes in him will never be disappointed."

In the ancient world the cornerstone was more than a stone on which was carved the date of construction. The cornerstone determined the length, the width, and the height of the building, so that the whole building depended on that cornerstone.

That is the picture Peter uses to describe the church in verse 5a, where he says, "And since you are living stones, as you come to him you are built up into a spiritual temple," of which Jesus is the cornerstone. The church is built on Jesus, and around Jesus, the cornerstone. And it is made up of people who are like Jesus--perfectly holy beings in God's sight. That is the way God sees every person who truly believes in Jesus as his or her Savior, because our God-given faith makes us new creatures who are perfectly holy in God's sight, and every such person "will never be disappointed" on Judgment Day.

Then Peter explains in verse 7, "This means that he's of great value to you people who believe in him, but for those who don't believe in him, 'the stone which the builders [the Jewish nation as a whole] decided was no good, is the very one which has become the cornerstone'; and 'the stone which will make people stumble, and the rock which will make them fall.' "How clear Peter makes it that Jesus is the difference between eternal life and eternal damnation.

We are now a holy group of priests

Next Peter uses a new metaphor in verse 5 when he says that the believers who come to Jesus as living stones "are built up into a spiritual temple, to be a holy group of priests, who offer up spiritual sacrifices which God is happy to receive." He continues in verses 9,10, "There was a time when you were no people at all, but now you are God's people. You who never knew God's mercy have now received his mercy." Praise the Lord!

Peter is reminding us that there was a time when we were all outsiders, so far as God is concerned, unbelievers who had never heard of the triune God. But now that we have heard the good news and have come to believe it, we are God's people, while the Jews, as a nation, have rejected their Messiah and are outsiders.

Now you must take note of the fact that every believer is a priest whose principal occupation it is to offer spiritual sacrifices to our triune God each day of our lives. Yes, from morning to evening we offer our God our thanks and praises for the undeserved love he has shown us by sending first his Son to atone for all our sins, and then his Holy Spirit who has brought us to believe the good news that all our sins are forgiven by Jesus' death on the cross, so that we are now God's children who are perfectly holy in God's sight.

Our task as priests is to also bring him our other sacrifices. First there are our time and our talents which we spend carrying out the different tasks we can do as members of our congregations. In some cases we may give our Lord all of our time and talents to serve as pastors, teachers, missionaries, or church office workers.

All of us, whether we are active workers or not, can offer the Lord a portion of our financial resources, which represent the value of our time spent in some gainful occupation.

And of course the temple in which we serve is known to us as the church, the whole body of believers. The picture of the church that Peter gives us here is perhaps the most complete picture to be found anywhere in the Bible.

Julian Anderson is a retired pastor and seminary professor living in Naples, Florida.


(The Following article should help to illuminate why the Nation of Israel and it's people have seen thousands of years of turmoil).

Samuel: A Judge in Israel

Concentrating on the Lord is daunting when dangers clamor for attention. Think back 300 years before Samuel. Following the death of those who carved a Jewish homeland out of Canaan, “another generation grew up, who knew neither the Lord nor what he had done for Israel” (Judges 2:10).

To awaken his spiritually-anesthetized people, God enlisted neighboring nations to harass, enslave, and terrorize Israel. Slapped to consciousness, God’s people recognized their sin, pleaded for forgiveness, and prayed for relief. God then raised up leaders—judges—who with the Lord’s power pushed back the oppressors. Moral and spiritual health flourished. But “when the judge died, the people returned to ways even more corrupt than those of their fathers . . .” (Judges 2:19).

Repenting to God

This cycle of godlessness, oppression, repentance, freedom, upright living, and a return to godlessness repeated itself until Samuel. Remember Eli and his sons? 1 Samuel 7 brings us to a repentance and freedom section of that cycle and to Samuel as Israel’s final judge.

The Ark of the Covenant remained in the border town of Kiriath-Jearim for 20 years after the Philistines captured it and then returned it to stem a Lord-induced plague. During those two decades “all the people of Israel mourned and sought after the Lord” (7:2).

To confirm that renaissance of faith, Samuel summoned his countrymen to a spiritually essential, but politically provocative, act—national purification and rededication. Israel was not a free country. Philistine overlords kept close watch. When their surveillance noticed huge numbers of Israelites staging at Mizpah (literally, “look out point”), their early-warning alarms wailed. Mizpah was a military gem mounted in hills about eight miles north of Jerusalem.

Soon the sound of Philistine marching boots, the clank of armor, and the bellow of war trumpets echoed off Mizpah. “When the Israelites heard of it, they were afraid . . .” (7:7). No doubt. Concentrating on the Lord is daunting when dangers (dare we add personal problems or financial difficulties) clamor for attention.

Victory through God

Samuel, however, urged Israel to fasten on God. “Do not stop crying out to the Lord our God for us, that he may rescue us” (7:8). Strength was not in their military might, but in the Lord’s omnipotence.

God confirmed that. With Israeli knees bent in prayer and without an Israeli sword unsheathed, God’s deafening thunder routed the Philistine army. Panicked, the troops stumbled south toward safety. Their backs made easy targets.

The Philistine losses that day did not completely free Israel. We await Saul and David to accomplish that. Israel, however, did enjoy a season of peace with Philistia and, as a fringe benefit, with the Amorites.

Concentrating on the Lord is daunting when dangers clamor for attention.

To mark the victory, Samuel set up a monument called Ebenezer (“stone of help”). Ebenezer stones (church cornerstones, wedding anniversaries, birthdays) remind us, “Thus far has the Lord helped us.” But our most conclusive proof that there’s always an upside in our downside world is Jesus, “the stone the builders rejected [that] has become the capstone” (1 Peter 2:7).

James A. Aderman is pastor at Fairview, Milwaukee.

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#50. To: SJN, whyofcourse (#21)

I'll listen to more of this video later. I only caught a little bit of it for now. But yes, clearly Dispensationalism is contrary to various clear and explicit Bible statements and based on misinterpretations of several Bible prophecies (mostly in the Old Testament).

Could not get the vid to work but will try again. I guess my point is, it is nice to view a video hit piece without actually reading the works of dispensationalists. I have read the works of Scofield, Ironside and Ryrie. If someone would like to point out just what portions of Scriptures they got wrong, I can comment. I see too often hit pieces try to tell the story with innuendo from one side. I also challenge anyone to produce something that shows a traditional dispensationalist has departed from Biblical christology and soteriology.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-06-25   14:56:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: redleghunter, Liberator, SJN (#44)

Our calling as the church is to preach the gospel. However, the call to preach the gospel is like a two-sided coin. One aspect of preaching the gospel is sharing the Word and promises of God with both the lost and the found. But on the other side of the coin, preaching the gospel also means to keep the Word for the world. As the Bible encourages us: "Watch your life and doctrine closely" (1 Timothy 4:16). "Be ready always to give an answer" (1 Peter 3:15; KJV). "Rightly dividing the word of truth" (2 Timothy 2:15; KJV). Christ did not intend for us to have only one side of the coin or the other. They are two different aspects of the same call. Christ wants us to both share the Word and keep the Word so that both we and our hearers be saved."

SJN:

Amen Sister, says it all.

It is my understanding that you do not believe women are to be telling (teaching or preaching) men anything.

Given this, I find your comment as referred above to SJN's posting that I've bolded in the quoted material.

Am I incorrect in my understanding? If you desire, I will tell you where I received my 'undertanding' from.

rowdee  posted on  2012-06-25   15:02:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: mcgowanjm, Liberator (#33)

Given I won't repost in the quote box your profanity, please note the post I respond to.

Mr. Jim you have to make up your mind. Are you serious about blaming God when in another breath you tell us He does not exist and that gaia is your god? Then is gaia to blame and what kind of gaia is it if it let things get out of control? Your entire persona is a huge contradiction. What is evident is anger at the sad state of worldly affairs. For that you get no argument. Where we part company is with the Solution. You have anger towards the awful things going on in the world and project that anger towards those who offer the Gospel, which IS THE ANSWER. But you reject that Message because you choose to live by the same standards of life of which is the world you hate.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-06-25   15:04:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: rowdee (#51)

It is my understanding that you do not believe women are to be telling (teaching or preaching) men anything.

Given this, I find your comment as referred above to SJN's posting that I've bolded in the quoted material.

Am I incorrect in my understanding? If you desire, I will tell you where I received my 'undertanding' from.

This is a Bible study thread. I showed agreement with her quote about presenting the Gospel. SJN is not preaching or telling to me what we both already know. It was brotherly encouragement for posting a piece on the Great Commission.

And yes, rowdee we receive our understanding from God through His Holy Word and His Holy Spirit.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-06-25   15:11:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: redleghunter (#53)

I fully understand this thread as being a Bible Study, and I think it is great.

What I was attempting to point out was that SJN's article pointed to the Gospel being spread worldwide....and you specifically noted to her what she had posted 'says it all'.

It couldn't say it all if there are only certain classes of people who could do such spreading of God's Word. Hence, the bringing of women into the issue of spreading the Word.

While you apparently know one another, there are many who will just read and be silent as they attempt to learn more. SJN is evangelizing, spreading the word, even if they are commentaries written by others--she surely believes in the doctrines, etc.

Heaven knows how badly this old world needs His words spread.

Sorry if you thought I was attempting to subvert the thread.

rowdee  posted on  2012-06-25   15:35:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: rowdee, SJN, GarySpFc, Liberator (#54)

While you apparently know one another, there are many who will just read and be silent as they attempt to learn more. SJN is evangelizing, spreading the word, even if they are commentaries written by others--she surely believes in the doctrines, etc.

Heaven knows how badly this old world needs His words spread.

Sorry if you thought I was attempting to subvert the thread.

Rowdee, you are not subverting the thread, and I do know clearly your intent on bringing up the issue.

You are correct in a sense that over the past year or so SJN, me and others (here and at LP) have asked for prayers for various illnesses, and family members and have, as much as you can in "posting land", formed a fellowship of prayer and sharing Scriptures. I do not "pretend" to be a pastor and don't think SJN is seeing herself as at the pulpit preaching to men in the congregation.

I wish you could have been here a few months ago when there was a person who tried doing this.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-06-25   15:49:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Liberator, Logsplitter (#36)

the lies of Satan?

How exactly do you know what are the lies of Satan? He doesn't exactly go around and give press conferences to publicize his activities.

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-06-25   17:09:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: NewsJunky (#56)

How exactly do you know what are the lies of Satan? He doesn't exactly go around and give press conferences to publicize his activities.

www.youtube.com/watch? v=kl0H1EUQ_38

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-06-25   17:15:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: redleghunter (#57)

lol Well that it about as clear as mud.

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-06-25   17:21:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: redleghunter (#45)

lol ; )))))

SJN  posted on  2012-06-25   20:14:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: redleghunter (#49)

I try to keep it simple and look at what HAS BEEN revealed and not try to go off on tangents that are not there. In the end all this prophecy sniping has accomplished one thing. Dividing the Body of Christ. To the point where one side calls the other the "h" word and end fellowship. Just the "thing" the adversary wants to see.

Absolutely! You nailed the problem that I was kind of trying to point out as well as trying to explain that Israel is not the nation that the Gospel speaks of as more often it means all Christian believers through out time and the whole world. That is the the "nation of believers" that is referred often to in the Gospel as Israel.

SJN  posted on  2012-06-25   20:20:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: redleghunter (#49)

And if I seemed slippery in the above paragraphs I will state clearly. I do believe there will be a physical Reign of Jesus Christ on earth for 1000 years before the Great White Throne Judgment. And this is why:

Yes, I'm aware that you do believe that for the scripture that you posted, however;

Revelation is a good example of a genre of writing known as "apocalyptic literature." Remember that God has employed different kinds of writings to convey his message to us: historical narrative, poetry, and predictive prophecy in addition to apocalytic (revelatory) prophecy. Each genre has its own characteristics and often takes some getting used to. Apocalyptic literature employs graphic dreams or visions along with vivid descriptions of unusual scenes or events that are often rather surreal and fantastic, giving the reader a sense of wonder in addition to pertinent information about coming events. The symbolic use of numbers and cyclical patterns of repeated information conveyed in changing images is also common. But, again, it takes some getting used to.

Revelation draws on information previously given in earlier books of the Bible and kind of assumes that the reader is familiar with that earlier information. To read this 66th book of the Bible without a firm grasp on the content of the first 65 can prove problematic. Earlier apocalyptic books in the Old Testament like Daniel and Zechariah especially should be studied in this connection.

I think you would find these reading materials very interesting on this subject: The commentary on Revelation by Professor Siegbert Becker (its title is A Distant Triumph Song) and another by Pastor Wayne Mueller (Part of the People's Bible series) are especially helpful. Don't forget to read the introductory material of those books. They will help you as you then proceed to work through the chapters of the book of Revelation itself. These volumes are available through Northwestern Publishing House. online.nph.net/

SJN  posted on  2012-06-25   20:27:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: rowdee (#51) (Edited)

It is my understanding that you do not believe women are to be telling (teaching or preaching) men anything.

Fundy's the World over.

They're all the same.

Every religion.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-06-26   8:51:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: redleghunter (#52)

Given I won't repost in the quote box your profanity,

Why.

You going to hell if you do?

But shooting a child and hitting the woman holding it A-OK.

It's war. Things happen.

See any and every PTSD for details....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-06-26   8:54:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: redleghunter (#45) (Edited)

You were given a padded room by Stonie for a reason. Enjoy your silence:

/buwahahahahahahahahaha...8D

And so WTF are you doin' comin' into said room?

You and Libby one and the same?

;}

And again:

Anyone coming into my

'padded cell'

with your

bible Studies can expect me to come into yours....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-06-26   8:57:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: NewsJunky, Logsplitter, Redleghunter, Serenissima Venezia, SJN, Biff Tannen, mcgowanjm, A K A Stone, whyofcourse, sneakypete, arasina (#56)

Please...

THIS may be THE most important 47 minutes of your mortal life.....It's NOT the same ol'. Give this testimony and vivid descriptive "preview" of Hell a chance. Be patience and hear this man out. NO profit. NO motive. NO pontification.

Just a man's nightmare for 23 minutes....

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-26   10:26:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Liberator (#65)

Post all the youtubes you want. People look at what you're like and decide if they want to belong.

Bzzzzzzzzt.

.
Whatcha lookin' at, butthead
Say hello to your grandma for me.

Biff Tannen  posted on  2012-06-26   10:29:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: redleghunter, Logsplitter, all (#43) (Edited)

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world he didn't exist."

And Plan 'B': "You are your OWN "God!"

Plan 'C': "If God is so great, why does he allow you to suffer and die"? Why can't he just turn this wretched earth in 'Club Paradise'? And make everyone nice?"

Plan 'D': "Do What Thou Wilt" - Entertainment icons' newest self-commandment. Look for it out there. It means, "What *I* say is "right" IS "right" (actually this is a corollary to Plan 'B', and contrived personal divinity, isn't it?

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-26   10:36:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Biff Tannen (#66)

People look at what you're like and decide if they want to belong.

Bzzzzzzzzt.

I'm not a preacher, nor a pastor, nor a priest, nor a "leader" of any religion.

I am a sinner, just like you Biffy.

Let those with a curiosity and wisdom find a way to Redemption.

If anyone rejects viewing this video because *I* condone it only spites themselves. Take me out of the equation.

When we leave this mortal world and face Judgment, I doubt even you will be saying, "Lord...if Liberator is in your House, I don't want any part of it."

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-26   10:44:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Liberator (#68)

Scaring people into heaven isn't viable.

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Whatcha lookin' at, butthead
Say hello to your grandma for me.

Biff Tannen  posted on  2012-06-26   10:50:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Biff Tannen (#69)

Scaring people into heaven isn't viable.

Maybe scaring people out of hell IS.

I've met Satan and his demons. He's real. They're real. I know God. He's real. And just as the man whose testimony is heard, the reality of a spiritual realm exists and transcends this waking-state mortal dimension. ONE of them is a nightmare. FOREVER.

But go on - ridicule it...

ITMT, we are all responsible for the destination of our soul in the Hereafter. Tonight MAY BE the last day some can actually make a decision. Death sometimes comes like a thief in the night.

When all is said and done and the Book of Life is opened, will your name appear in it?

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-26   11:21:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: SJN (#60)

Absolutely! You nailed the problem that I was kind of trying to point out as well as trying to explain that Israel is not the nation that the Gospel speaks of as more often it means all Christian believers through out time and the whole world. That is the the "nation of believers" that is referred often to in the Gospel as Israel.

As in the article link I posted to you, I agree with MacArthur that God's promise to the nation of Israel is still valid. Where I say "however" is important. However, the remnant we will see in end times will be a remnant that recognizes and accepts Jesus Christ as Messiah and King---by Grace through Faith. No separate "deal" as some may claim.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-06-26   11:22:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Liberator (#70)

I didn't ridicule anything, except you I suppose.

All you've got is spouting boilerplate you heard somewhere else.

That ain't going to cut it.

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Whatcha lookin' at, butthead
Say hello to your grandma for me.

Biff Tannen  posted on  2012-06-26   11:39:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Biff Tannen (#72)

I didn't ridicule anything, except you I suppose.

Naah, you ridicule most sanity and righteousness.

All you've got is spouting boilerplate you heard somewhere else. That ain't going to cut it.

Your heart, your soul, Biff - not mine.

Hopefully someone else may penetrate your wall. All differences aside - we admittedly despise each other - believe it or not I'm pulling for you to see the light.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-26   11:49:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Liberator, NewsJunky, Logsplitter, Redleghunter, Serenissima Venezia, SJN, Biff Tannen, mcgowanjm, A K A Stone, sneakypete, aras (#65)

NWO Noahide Law means DECAPITATION! Bush made this a LAW IN OUR COUNTRY!!!

CHRISTIANS, and any other person who doesn't go along with the NWO is REALLY IN TROUBLE!!


INTERNATIONAL LAW

The Congress of the United States of America has declared that the seven universal laws commanded to Noah (the Noahide laws) are "the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization". U.S. Congress, H.J. Resolution 104, Public Law 102-14, 1991.

This sets the Noahide Laws as the primary basis for International Law, (read “New World Order”) to which all American law MUST conform.

This unique public law remarkably singles out one particular Jewish group for special honour, saying that they embody the principles of these Noahide Laws.

This group is the ultra-orthodox Lubavitch Movement, of the loony Habad Hasids Jews. Al Gore Letter 10 01-Nov-2000 Education Day USA: “Upon seizing the reins of government, the new Noachide leaders will move quickly to implement a full agenda of reform... Full support will be given to Israeli forces to reinvade PLO-controlled areas, with military assistance offered where necessary. Jewish courts will be granted full legal sovereignty over Jewish citizens within each country, who will no longer be subject to the authority of gentile courts. The pre-existing Noachide judges and courts will replace the existing court system of each country, and the legal code will be drastically rewritten to conform to halacha...And law and order will be fully restored through the establishment of internal security measures, again in accordance with Torah law.”

A nation governed by wisdom and moral law sounds reasonable, but it is the identical goal as expressed by the Orders of Freemasonry.

In “The History of Freemasonry,” High Adept and Prince of Masonry - Albert Mackey, provides the sequel to the Egyptian/Cabbalist accounts of Noah. "After Noah’s emergence from the Ark, he is said to have promulgated seven precepts for the government of the new race of men of whom he was to be the progenitor... [1] To do justice [2] Worship God [3] Abstain from idolatry [4] Preserve chastity [5] Do not commit murder [6] Do not steal [7] Do not eat blood."

Mackey further identifies Noah as the originator of a “mystery religion’ known as the “Arkite Worship.”

"The influence of Noah on Masonic doctrine is to be traced to the almost universal belief of men in the events of the deluge, and a consequent establishment in many nations of a system of religion known to ethnologists as the ‘Arkite Worship’...

Hence arose that system known to modern scholars as the 'Arkite Worship' in whose rites and mysteries, which were eventually communicated to the other ancient religions. There were always some allusions to the events of the Noahic flood - to the Ark, as the WOMB OF NATURE, to the eight persons saved in it, as the Ogdoad or sacred number - and to the renovation of the world, as symbolizing the passage from death to immortal life."

These seven laws, to be implemented under the NWO, allows BEHEADING as THE form of capital punishment, principally for what the TALMUD regards as “Idolaters” and “Blasphemers,” or in reality - “Christ honouring” Christians.

“For theological reasons, mostly rooted in ignorance, Christianity as a religion is classed by rabbinical teaching as idolatry. This is based on a crude interpretation of the Christian doctrines on the Trinity and Incarnation. All the Christian emblems and pictorial representations are regarded as 'idols' - even by those Jews who literally worship scrolls, stones or personal belongings of 'Holy Men'."

-- 'Jewish History, Jewish Religion' by Professor Israel Shahak

“All this, and much more like it, proves beyond a doubt that when the Rabbis speak of the idols of the Gentiles among whom they lived at that time, when no idols were worshipped, they clearly meant the Christian "idol," namely, the image of Christ on the crucifix and the Holy Communion.”

-- “The Talmud Judaism's holiest book Unmasked” The Secret Jewish Rabbinical Teachings Concerning Christians By Rev. I. B. Pranaitis

WHAT ARE THESE LAWS?

The “Encyclopedia Americana” gives its explanation of the Noahide Laws, "Throughout the ages, scholars have viewed the Noahide Laws as a link between Judaism and Christianity, as universal norms of ethical conduct, as a basic concept of international law, or as a guarantee of fundamental human rights for all."

This explanation leads one to believe that everyone on earth will be bound by these seven laws.

However, reliable reports from Jewish sources are that the Jew who lives according to the “Torah,” (certainly not the written Torah given to Moses, but rather the occult/Pharisaic traditions adopted from the mystery religions of ancient Babylon) is exempt.

In other words, these seven Laws were only meant for non-Jews and are to be a direct substitute for the Biblical Ten Commandments.

"It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah." Talmud: Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5

Now does that sound like their “Torah” is the same as our Biblical Old Testament – I think not!

So let’s briefly list these seven NOAHIDE LAWS :

1. Thou shalt not engage in idol worship.

2. Thou shalt not blaspheme God.

3. Thou shalt not shed innocent blood of a human nor foetus nor
ailing person who has a limited time to live.

4. Thou shalt not engage in bestial, incestuous, adulterous, or
homosexual relations nor commit...rape.

5. Thou shalt not steal.

6. Thou shalt establish laws and courts of law to administer these laws

7. Thou shalt not be cruel to animals.

The Jews wish to commence with the U.S. to be ruled by the Noahide Laws, (which at first glance seem to be something harmless and even moral) together with whatever is intrinsically implied in them.

Seeing that “the devil is always in the details,” looking a little closer we can see that the real goal is to have the non-Jewish population of the United States totally subjected and ruled by judicial enactments that are exclusively managed, interpreted and manipulated by orthodox rabbis.

The penalty for violation is clearly spelled out on page 1192 of the “Encyclopedia Judaica,”: " violation of any one of the seven laws subjects the Noahide to capital punishment by DECAPITATION." Rather severe wouldn’t you think?

So, if only one person steps forward to merely accuse any non-Jew of violating any one of these seven laws, that testimony alone – irrespective of the proven truth of the allegation, this would be enough for the sentence of death.

Notice how Deuteronomy 17:6, clearly requires the testimony of 2 or 3 witnesses before one who deserves death can be executed. In fact, the last sentence of verse 6 specifically states: “At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall NOT be put to death.”

WHO JUDGES THE JUDGES?

These evil, satanic ghouls masquerading as the “chosen people,” will be represented by pompous, pious looking, bearded Rebbe - “sages,” and will possibly be the judges who cast the ultimate caesarean thumbs down vote for the sacrificial deaths of all tried and true believers that will have been Sealed as righteous by the Most High.

"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless, (non-Jews) is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God." (Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772)

It will be simply ancient ritualistic murder that has existed down though the centuries that may culminate in our day, in rivers of blood.

The Sacrament of Christian Communion will be transformed from wine, the symbolic blood of Jesus, to the real blood Of true believers, that will be freely shed under this new, Luciferic Theocracy!

The Jews have always been idolaters whose principal god, Moloch, constantly demanded blood sacrifices, a FACT of which has been proven time and time again throughout history.

Always remember as Biblical fact, that the Jewish establishment succeeded in the illegal trial and subsequent killing and blood-letting of Jesus Christ on the primary basis that He blasphemed God, which is Noahide Law number 2 - “Thou shalt not blaspheme God.” “Extermination of a Christian is a necessary sacrifice to God.” Zohar (II, 43a)

Make no mistake, these remarkable and sickening quotes from the Talmud (Soncino Edition) here and elsewhere, are quite genuine and gleaned from a large variety of reliable sources, (mostly Jewish) at the time of compilation.

These are but a few of the hundreds of Talmudic passages that deal with the recommended treatment of Christians.

The non-Jewish world has suffered unbelievably and endured Zionist world terror for nearly a century, beginning with Jewish Bolshevism and Stalinism. Zionism and the World Jewish Congress have initiated two devastating World Wars, leaving 54 million people killed, with countless millions wounded in spirit soul and body.

THIS is the reality of the Jewish Talmudic “legacy,” and there is much more to come.

THE REAL GOALS

Here, hidden behind a facade of phony, moral statutes and deliberately sympathetic phrases, are the real goals of the Noahide Laws:

1. The replacement of the entire Old Testament and the total rejection of the NT
2. The rejection of the atonement of Christ upon the Cross
3. The rejection of the plan of salvation according to Acts 2:38
4. The spying on one another to supply the one eyewitness needed to execute the death penalty
5. The necessity of keeping the other 66 “lesser known laws”
6. Circumcision of all males
7. Eating only kosher foods
8. Forbidding holding religious services of any type in a place that is not an approved assembly place for Noahides
9. The death penalty for anyone, (Christians being the main target) that claims that God has spoken through them by way of teaching, preaching or writing, that is in any way contradictory to the establishment “worship system.”

"The Christians are always singing about the blood. Let us give them enough of it! Let us cut their throats and drag them over the altar! And let them drown in their own blood! I dream of the day when the last priest is strangled on the guts of the last preacher." (Chairman of the American Communist Party, Gus Hall).

It will be a serious crime to claim to be a Prophet, Preacher, or Pastor, to whom the Antichrist authorities have not issued a certificate of approval, and it will be a death penalty offence to oppose in any way this new “religion.”

By opposition - means to speak against any Jewish Priest, any Jewish Rabbi, any Noahide Minister, any Noahide or Jewish Temple or place of worship, or oppose any doctrine that only the “Rebbe Adepts” teach or advocate.

So under the guise of Pharisaic Jewry, the modern Cabbalists are cunningly taking us all back to Egypt, and to the ancient house of bondage from whence we came.

How then, could any Christian ever support the diabolical plotting behind the precepts of the Noahide laws, to aid in the destruction of the New Testament - the Church, and be complicit in the killing of the precious and faithful Saints of God?

Antichrists are even now arising from all denominations denying that salvation is through Jesus Christ alone. This is that spirit of Antichrist that will join forces with Jewish rabbis together with other “Jewish-Gentile” groups to complete their total destruction of Christianity.

First they will accuse those of being anti-Semites for rejecting Pharisee-Talmudic Judaism, then anti-Semitic for rejecting that the Laws of Moses are still in effect for Jews and Gentiles alike for salvation, and then anti-Semitic yet again because we dare write anything that opposes/exposes their covert agenda.

"All Jews are good by nature, all non-Jews are evil by nature. The Jews are creation's crowning glory, the non-Jews are the scum of the earth."

This quote is typical of the Talmudic-Jewish philosophy that saturates the thinking of Jews such as Rabbi Shneur Zalman, one of the leading “Halacha” scholars in Jewish history according to the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, March 11, 1994, page 14.

What will we see in the End Times?

We will see a revival of Judaised law-keeping and a rejection of the New Covenant by the blinded Judeo-Christian sheeple.

If you observe any person saying that the New Testament is not the New Covenant of Jeremiah 31:31-34, you have just met an antichrist - a Concision, a person who has fallen from grace and thus severed themselves from Christ. These cannot be saved, or remain so once they deny the fulfilment by the Messiah of the New Covenant. These will deny the Lord's Passover Memorial Cup, with all that it symbolises and thereby crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and thereby count his blood as an unholy thing. The true blasphemy against the Holy Spirit!

WHAT WILL IT BE LIKE?

My research suggests that this One-World Government, (together with a single monetary system – possibly the Euro) will consist of permanent non-elected oligarchist-elites who are self-chosen from among their numbers in the form of a feudal system similar to that of the Middle Ages.

In this One-World entity, there will be no middle class - only rulers and servants.

All laws will be uniform under a legal system of world courts practicing the same unified code of Noahide laws. These laws will be enforced by a One-World Government police force and a global, multicultural military.

The system will be on the basis of a welfare state, where only those who are obedient and subservient to the One World Government will be rewarded with the means to live, via the mark of the beast.

Those who are rebellious and refuse the mark, will simply be declared outlaws, starved to death and/or killed. Privately owned firearms or weapons of any kind will be prohibited. National pride and racial identity shall be gradually stamped out and in the transition phase, any mention of one's racial origin shall be subject to severe penalties.

Only one religion will be allowed in the form of Talmudic Judaism, structured and administered by Lubavitcher rebbes and others that have bought the lie.

All tried and true Christ honouring believers will be regarded as (Noahide) lawbreakers and will risk decapitation under this vehemently anti-Christ, beast system.

As an interesting aside, State of Georgia lawmaker Doug Teper (Democrat) has proposed a bill to replace the state's electric chair with the guillotine.

Teper's reasoning? It would allow for death-row inmates as potential organ donors. He says, the "Blade makes a clean cut and leaves vital organs intact." Yeah, right!

"For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of THE JEWS: WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, AND THEIR OWN PROPHETS, AND HAVE PERSECUTED US; AND THEY PLEASE NOT GOD, AND ARE CONTRARY TO ALL MEN." (I Thessalonians 2:14-15)

SOURCE http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message547192/pg1

whyofcourse  posted on  2012-06-26   11:54:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: whyofcourse (#74)

It's no secret that many Israelis and even a disturbingly sizable number of American Jews dislike and resent Christians...The opposite can also be claimed in their (American Jews') defense.

I do know of Christian groups who while visiting Israel were told *specifically* to low-key their faith and "behave". Speaking to Jews about Jesus is blasphemous IN ISRAEL.

Over at LP, there are a few American Jews (including its owner) who readily admitted that non-Jew/infidels (aka Christians) are regarded as untermenchen and looked down upon. Of course the irony was missed on these bigots. That said, I don't mean to besmirch most American Jews as the case in this regard.

But had these elitist Israelis and Jews their way, would treat us much like the Nazis treated Jews during WWII. But don't expect this revelation to get much publicity.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-26   12:12:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Liberator (#75)

YOU SAID 'A MOUTH FULL'.

whyofcourse  posted on  2012-06-26   12:15:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: SJN (#61)

Yes, I'm aware that you do believe that for the scripture that you posted, however;

Revelation is a good example of a genre of writing known as "apocalyptic literature." Remember that God has employed different kinds of writings to convey his message to us: historical narrative, poetry, and predictive prophecy in addition to apocalytic (revelatory) prophecy. Each genre has its own characteristics and often takes some getting used to. Apocalyptic literature employs graphic dreams or visions along with vivid descriptions of unusual scenes or events that are often rather surreal and fantastic, giving the reader a sense of wonder in addition to pertinent information about coming events. The symbolic use of numbers and cyclical patterns of repeated information conveyed in changing images is also common. But, again, it takes some getting used to.

I take Revelation the same as all Scriptures. Where it is plain, you take it plainly. There are, IMHO, three approaches to Revelation and the yet unfulfulled prophecies of the OT. First approach is to take the stand that all of Revelation has been fulfilled, second is that some or most has been fulfilled, and third Revelation is yet to come. Again, IMHO, we are not forbidden to study prophecy in the Bible (those who read will be blessed), but are to be VERY cautious as to being dogmatic (saying we are certain) about the things that are not certain or clear. It is certain Christ will Come Again and to me the events of Revelation 19-22 are yet future and not fulfilled. "The How" it all happens we mortals will never figure out and I think Jesus Christ made that clear to us in Matthew 24-25. He said to look for the signs of His Coming, to be ready/prepared and don't be caught off guard. Paul as well in his Epistles gives us supporting words.

I think whether one adheres to replacement theology or dispensationalism, we must be careful in promoting that 'we know' how it will unfold, other than what we know to be certain, plainly revealed in the Bible. During the time of Irenaeus, there was some speculation with regards to the identity of the anti- christ. Irenaeus quickly but lovingly told those who were trying to equate numbers with a person to focus on the Great Commission and in the rightful words of the Apostles to watch and be ready. I got the impression he meant we were to live our lives as citizens of the Kingdom and follow the commands of Jesus Christ and do so with vigor and love until we "absent from the body but present with the Lord."

With all that, I also have come to another conclusion as a student of God's Word over the years. All is for the Glory of God and we only understand what He has revealed to us. What is clear to me is with God a Promise is a Promise and He is not finished with Israel. And when I mention God is not finished with Israel I will clearly state that I am not promoting the current government structure of secular Israel as the fulfillment of the Promise. Perhaps Israel being a nation now is a forerunner as an identity for things future, but the current Israel still rejects Christ the King and Messiah.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-06-26   12:44:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: mcgowanjm (#63)

Given I won't repost in the quote box your profanity, Why.

You going to hell if you do?

But shooting a child and hitting the woman holding it A-OK.

It's war. Things happen.

See any and every PTSD for details....;}

Not so fast. You did not respond to the remainder of my post. Here it is again for you to see and comment on:

Mr. Jim you have to make up your mind. Are you serious about blaming God when in another breath you tell us He does not exist and that gaia is your god? Then is gaia to blame and what kind of gaia is it if it let things get out of control? Your entire persona is a huge contradiction. What is evident is anger at the sad state of worldly affairs. For that you get no argument. Where we part company is with the Solution. You have anger towards the awful things going on in the world and project that anger towards those who offer the Gospel, which IS THE ANSWER. But you reject that Message because you choose to live by the same standards of life of which is the world you hate.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-06-26   12:54:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Liberator (#67)

And Plan 'B': "You are your OWN "God!"

Plan 'C': "If God is so great, why does he allow you to suffer and die"? Why can't he just turn this wretched earth in 'Club Paradise'? And make everyone nice?"

Plan 'D': "Do What Thou Wilt" - Entertainment icons' newest self-commandment. Look for it out there. It means, "What *I* say is "right" IS "right" (actually this is a corollary to Plan 'B', and contrived personal divinity, isn't it?

Good laydown. You missed one that may be related to Plan "C".

That even if God came down from Heaven and handed a personal invitation to an atheist, he/she would still reject Him. But then again, that happened about 2000 years ago.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-06-26   13:01:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: whyofcourse, Liberator, NewsJunky, Logsplitter, Serenissima Venezia, SJN, Biff Tannen, mcgowanjm, A K A Stone, sneakypete, aras (#74)

My research suggests that this One-World Government, (together with a single monetary system – possibly the Euro) will consist of permanent non-elected oligarchist-elites who are self-chosen from among their numbers in the form of a feudal system similar to that of the Middle Ages.

In this One-World entity, there will be no middle class - only rulers and servants.

All laws will be uniform under a legal system of world courts practicing the same unified code of Noahide laws. These laws will be enforced by a One-World Government police force and a global, multicultural military.

The system will be on the basis of a welfare state, where only those who are obedient and subservient to the One World Government will be rewarded with the means to live, via the mark of the beast.

Those who are rebellious and refuse the mark, will simply be declared outlaws, starved to death and/or killed. Privately owned firearms or weapons of any kind will be prohibited. National pride and racial identity shall be gradually stamped out and in the transition phase, any mention of one's racial origin shall be subject to severe penalties.

Only one religion will be allowed in the form of Talmudic Judaism, structured and administered by Lubavitcher rebbes and others that have bought the lie.

All tried and true Christ honouring believers will be regarded as (Noahide) lawbreakers and will risk decapitation under this vehemently anti-Christ, beast system.

As an interesting aside, State of Georgia lawmaker Doug Teper (Democrat) has proposed a bill to replace the state's electric chair with the guillotine.

Teper's reasoning? It would allow for death-row inmates as potential organ donors. He says, the "Blade makes a clean cut and leaves vital organs intact." Yeah, right!

Whew! And folks got a bit wound up because I posted a few Jack Chick cartoon tracts:) I ask again, what does any of this have to do with dispensationalism and believing Revelation is yet future?

I am getting the picture a bit I think from your posts. This is all about Jews and not liking them.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-06-26   13:09:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Biff Tannen (#66)

Good afternoon Biff, hope all is well today.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-06-26   13:15:19 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Liberator (#70)

I've met Satan and his demons. He's real.

Oh you have, have ya? Where did you "meet" them?

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-06-26   14:20:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: redleghunter (#79)

You missed one that may be related to Plan "C".

That even if God came down from Heaven and handed a personal invitation to an atheist, he/she would still reject Him. But then again, that happened about 2000 years ago.

You're right...Go figure.

Jesus literally can't GIVE his personal Golden Invite away whether 2000 years ago or today (maybe if he tossed in a FREE six-pack of Bud and pizza he MIGHT recruit a few more takers.)

*^D

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-26   14:21:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: NewsJunky (#82)

Oh you have, have ya? Where did you "meet" them?

In my Dream State.

Do you find that impossible?

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-26   14:22:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Liberator (#84) (Edited)

Dream State.. Do you find that impossible?

ROTFL Yes..

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-06-26   14:23:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: redleghunter, mcgowanjm (#78)

Not so fast. You did not respond to the remainder of my post. Here it is again for you to see and comment on:

Mr. Jim you have to make up your mind. Are you serious about blaming God when in another breath you tell us He does not exist and that gaia is your god?

Then is gaia to blame and what kind of gaia is it if it let things get out of control? Your entire persona is a huge contradiction. What is evident is anger at the sad state of worldly affairs. For that you get no argument. Where we part company is with the Solution.

You have anger towards the awful things going on in the world and project that anger towards those who offer the Gospel, which IS THE ANSWER. But you reject that Message because you choose to live by the same standards of life of which is the world you hate.

Nail meet hammer, Jimmy.

So who's to blame? Gaia? Or the God you believe does NOT exist?

You say you're not a hater, but hate and blame just the same.

WHAT is the Solution of an anti-Christian Commie/Anarchist whose "Mother Earth"'s history is rife with "murdering" ALL living things (since nothing lives forever)? You should have seen the lettuce holocaust the other day as I decapitated several heads. Took out a few flies and spiders too. Oh...the humanity!!

Are you praying to the Sun? The Volcanoes? The Oceans? The Dirt? Or is your plan a Blood Sacrifice of Mankind (but only certain ones)?

How do you stop this mad woman, Mother Earth??!? She...she...HATES US!!

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-26   14:34:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: NewsJunky (#85)

Dream State.. Do you find that impossible?

ROTFL Yes..

Of course you would. But at best, all you *could* claim is an "improbability" or an agnosticism of my claim.

When you dream, Junky, are you sure of your "reality"? That your dream IS a "dream"?

IF you fall asleep....and dream...How will you ever know if you've been relieved of your mortal being, escaped your Waking State, and actually died? Or will you depend on CNN to somehow inform you within the grave?

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-26   14:43:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Liberator (#86)

How do you stop this mad woman, Mother Earth??!? She...she...HATES US!!

Yes, I ask that question of the "noble savage" as he eats his neighbor with a dash of henri sauce.

If you have the time, the link below will bring you to a Francis Schaeffer book review that points out the futile effort of mankind trying to find their own solutions to "being."

www.tonybartolucci.co m/reading/schaeffer.pdf

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-06-26   15:04:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: redleghunter, Liberator, NewsJunky, Logsplitter, Serenissima Venezia, SJN, Biff Tannen, mcgowanjm, A K A Stone, sneakypete, aras (#80)

Guillotine Death by Noahide Laws PASSED BY CONGRESS-1991

Few Americans have ever heard of the Guillotine Death by Noahide Laws that PASSED CONGRESS in 1991 and signed into Law and was Approved March 20, 1991 by President of the U. S., George Bush Sr.  


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoQU-KS_6eY  

To keep this simple the Laws that are now apart of the American Legal system say that if your have any other faith than the Talmud’s counterfeit Kaballa  or break any of the 7 Noahide Laws and one person says that you have done so, you can have your head cut off! 

Taken from www.AmericanHolocaustComing.blogspot.com

“Because the NOAHIDE LAWS forbid the free exercise of religion (especially Christianity) in America, and respect on religion over another (JUDAISM over all other religions) they clearly violate the First Amendment Establishment Clause.

THEREFORE, as long as the US CONSTITUION remains in force, they CANNOT ACTIVATE THE NOAHIDE LAWS AND ENFORCE THEM IN AMERICA AT THIS TIME!

However, WHEN the CONSTITUTION IS ABOLISHED through the declaration of NATIONAL EMERGENCY, MARTIAL LAW, THEN you will see the NOAHIDE LAWS activated and the enforcers (which are the military, foreign and domestic) and their guillotines brought out in full force.

THEN the NWO forces and their Jewish supporters will activate the NOAHIDE LAWS, will round up Christians ALREADY ON THE SECRET GOVERNMENT LISTS, and demand that they either RENOUNCE THIER FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST, and conform to their NOAHIDE LAWS, or BE EXECUTED with the guillotines.

It is as simple as that and already spoken of prophetically in Revelation 20:4.

The NOAHIDE LAWS legislation was written by the Orthodox Jewish organization based in Brooklyn, NY. They presented them to George Bush SR (Mr. NWO himself) to sign into leglslation.

Mr. “ILLUMINATI BLOODLINE” Bush knew exactly what he was doing, knew WHO would be primarily targeted, and what would happen to Christians in America as a result.

ALL NWO adherents, Jew and Gentile alike, hate the Christians in America (and worldwide) with a passion, as former adherents admitted to me personally.

They KNOW the Christians in the America are the GREATEST DETERRENT to their realization of a NEW WORLD ORDER agenda!

These Noahide Laws state that Gentiles/Christians must conform to their 7 NOAHIDE LAWS supposed given by God to Noah for GENTILES after the flood. (This is stated nowhere in the Bible, however.)

The penalty for breaking THREE of these NOAHIDE LAWS is CAPITOL PUNISHMENT by BEHEADING. Two of those Jewish laws attack Fundamental Christian beliefs directly:

Prohibition against “BLASPEHMY AGAINST GOD” and “IDOLATRY.” Judaism teaches that Christian faith in Jesus Christ VIOLATES BOTH.

Jesus Christ was ordered EXECUTED by the Jewish Pharisees for declaring he WAS THE SON OF GOD after His arrest. They called His admission “BLASPHEMY” and sentenced Him to death.

And now the Jews in America seek to use their Noahide Laws to discriminate against and finally execute CHRISTIANS for THEIR “blasphemy” of calling Jesus “The Son of God” and worshipping Him as GOD WITH US, “Emmanuel.” Jewish writers of this legislation even mandate CAPITOL PUNISHMENT BY BEHEADING for those who violate 3 of their 7 Noahide laws!

This is FORCED RELIGIOUS CONVERSION AT THE THREAT OF DEATH! Is this a NEW INQUISITION and new DARK AGES coming to “AMERIKA”???

What if JEWS IN AMERICA were given the mandate to renounce their Judaism and CONVERT TO CHRISTIANITY, or be BEHEADED!!!

Can you imagine the public outcry then???

So WHERE is the American/Christian outrage and outcry in this hour? THIS LEGISLATION HAS ALREADY BEEN PASSED AND THE GUILLOTINES ARE HERE!

OUR OWN MILITARY (and foreign also) are training even NOW to operate them on US under martial law!

WHOSE tax dollars pay for their training? WHOSE tax dollars paid for the guillotines to be imported/manufactured?

Americans should be outraged and in protest across the nation, especially in Washington DC, over the NOAHIDE LAWS and their total violation of everything America has ever stood for regarding religious freedoms!

BUT BECAUSE OF OUR CONSTITUTION AND THE FIRST AMENDMENT ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE, they CANNOT activate the NOAHIDE LAWS IN AMERICA YET!

AMERICANS HAVE BUT A SHORT TIME TO PROTEST AND DEMAND THE NOAHIDE LAWS BE RESCINDED AND ABOLISHED NOW!

Otherwise, when MARTIAL LAW IS DECLARED,and the Constitution abolished, THEN you will witness with your own eyes the unveiling and public display of these modern military guillotines, and the US and foreign troops training (in FORT LEWIS, FORT BRAGG, FORT HOOD and elsewhere)to operate them on AMERICAN violaters of these outrageous, discriminatory and strictly Jewish religion-based laws.

THEREFORE, THE JEWS WHO SUPPORT THE NOAHIDE LAWS AND ADVOCATE FORCED CONVERSION OF CHRISTIANS/GENTILES, CANNOT WAIT FOR MARTIAL LAW TO TRANSPIRE.

For then and ONLY then can their NOAHIDE LAWS be fully activated in AMERICA.

The enemies of the American Constitution and Christianity in America, and our religious and all other freedoms, cannot wait for the planned government black ops to take place, nullifying everything promised in the Constitution to us.

So NOW you KNOW WHEN the NOAHIDE LAWS and the horrific modern military GUILLOTINES to enforce them will come into full force in America.”

www.AmericanHolocaustComing.blogspot.com


This Next article makes the Noahide laws sound so good.  But in reality the Noahide Laws are like Rat poison in Candy that will kill you deader than a door nail! These Video talk about the history and details of the Noahide Laws 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOWKMWrwBEI&playnext=1&list=PL1DAD8816DDF8E44C

From http://www.noahide.org/article.asp?Level=456&Parent=88

” US President George W. Bush Discusses Road-Map to World Peace Based on Seven Universal Ben Noah Laws

One thousand religious leaders and pastors gathered together with President George W. Bush and his staff from the White House Office of faith based and community initiatives. During the historical meeting the president and the representatives from different religions discussed methods to search for a better understanding between varied cultures and philosophies in order to improve the life of all people.

Among the religious leaders was Rabbi Yakov Cohen who represented the worldwide Institute of Noahide Code, an organization dedicated to promote the Noahide Code of Seven UniversalNoah Laws. Rabbi Cohen presented the “Road-Map to World Peace”, explaining that theNoah Laws will unite all of mankind.

The Seven Laws of Noahdate back to the time of Noah and is the oldest code of laws in existence. They precede the development of all faiths. Since these are universal laws that prohibit murder, cruelty to animals, sexual misconduct and other universal ethic values they are common and affect all mankind. These laws can be shared by all people from all walks of life.

People need to be aware of the importance of moral and ethical behavior. The problems and challenges we encounter in society are obvious, but we need to educate people that there is a possible solution. Education promotes greater involvement, lack of education causes less involvement.

Following a meeting with the president Rabbi Cohen said:The president was very supportive and responsive to the message we are trying to get across.

He also added we are urging leaders to become more involved in the moral and ethical issues of our society.

In the past moral and ethical values were passed on to children through family and tradition, but now more and more we need the involve schools and communities to get involved to compensate for the breakdown of family structure and traditional beliefs.

People of influence should use their talent and skill in communication to educate and nurture the young generation to understand the time-tested values and ethics that have kept people together and societies healthy. If people were more conscious of a supreme G-d, mass crimes, atrocities and acts of terror would not happen.

Rabbi Cohen who directs the Institute of Noahide Code (http://www.noahide.org) stated that the Jewish people were charged with the mission to educate mankind and be a light onto the nations bypromoting the observance of the Seven Bnei Noah Laws among all mankind.

- We arepresently living through a unique and favorable moment in history. The information age and advanced breakthroughs in technology affords us the tremendous opportunity towidely communicate the knowledge and observance of these laws. – Rabbi Cohen said.

Other religious leaders added that the religious tolerance of today and the trend towards greater democracy and freedom have created the perfect environment and provided awindow of opportunity for the global acceptance of this universal code. It is by adherence to these laws, which are in and of themselves an expression of Divine goodness, which all mankind could unite and be bound by a common moral responsibility to their Creator. When humanity is unified by its highest common denominator, genuine peace and harmony will flourish throughout the world.

Despite the daunting challenge we must remember that a little light could dispel and illuminate a lot of darkness and the darkness will offer no resistance as it melts before the light.The obvious reason being that light is the substance while darkness is merely the void.”  http://www.noahide.org/article.asp?Level=456&Parent=88

In addition to the FEMA camps, coffins, and FEMA death trains, the NWO are stockpiling GUILLOTINES to behead all those who do not conform to the Noahide Laws and image of the NWO beast system.

SOURCE: http://antinewworldorderparty.wordpress.com/2011/05/07/guillotine-death-by-noahide-laws-passed-by-congress-1991/

whyofcourse  posted on  2012-06-26   17:51:34 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: whyofcourse (#89)

Is there a Thomasloc.gov link to view these laws?

SJN  posted on  2012-06-26   19:16:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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