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Title: President Obama Signs Order To Stop Deportation Of Young Undocumented Immigrants
Source: GUARDIAN UK
URL Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/201 ... ented-immigrants?newsfeed=true
Published: Jun 15, 2012
Author: Ed Pilkington
Post Date: 2012-06-15 11:23:51 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 72254
Comments: 112

The Obama administration has announced a dramatic move to placate the rising anger of Hispanic communities across America by offering a partial Dream Act to young law-abiding immigrants without documents who will now no longer live under the threat of deportation and will have the right to work.

The move will take effect immediately and could have an impact on 800,000 young immigrants, largely Hispanic, who came to the US as children and though hard-working and law-abiding have lived for years under the shadow of deportation.

The department of homeland security said that those who demonstrate that they meet the criteria will be eligible to be taken off the deportation list for a period of two years, subject to renewal, and will be eligible to apply for work authorization.

"Our nation's immigration laws must be enforced in a firm and sensible manner," said the secretary of homeland security, Janet Napolitano. "But they are not designed to be blindly enforced without consideration given to the individual circumstances of each case. Nor are they designed to remove productive young people to countries where they may not have lived or even speak the language. Discretion, which is used in so many other areas, is especially justified here."

The Obama administration has come under growing criticism in recent months for failing to deliver on its promises to restrict deportation to the most serious criminal offenders. The disappointment expressed about the high levels of deportations has led to speculation it could damage the president's chances of being re-elected in November given the importance of the Latino voting population.

The initiative goes a large way to meeting the desire of Hispanic communities for a so-called Dream Act that would grant young undocumented Latinos a pathway to citizenship. It promises to be a significant measure in an election year in which Latino voters could prove crucial in key swing states – some 500,000 new voters are created every year when legal Hispanic youths turn 18.

The breaking news of the change in policy was received ecstatically by Latino and progressive organisations. "This is a bold move, a smart move by the White House. It relates to the most decent, innocent undocumented folks in this country and we applaud the president's initiative," said Angela Kelley, an immigration expert at the Center for American Progress.

The new deal will be open to anyone who:

• came to the US before the age of 16 and is under 30 years old;

• have continuously resided in the United States for a least five years preceding the date of this memorandum and are present in the United States at the moment;

• are currently in school, have graduated from high school, have obtained a general education development certificate, or are honorably discharged veterans of the Coast Guard or Armed Forces of the United States;

• and have not been convicted of any crimes or significant misdemeanours.

The one aspect of the Dream Act that is yet to be achieved is the right to citizenship or permanent residency for young undocumented immigrants.

Kelley said that the battle for that reform would continue. "We need Congress to step up and finish the job," she said

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

Another dictatorial EO that violates the US Constitutional (aka that G-D piece of paper).

IF he's defeated by Romney, 0buma's last days in office is going to resemble a daily Soviet rocket barrage upon Berlin, circa 1944...

God forbid he gets another four years. The already barely repairable damage he's inflicted during the past three years will seem like mere stubbed toe.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-15   11:33:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Liberator (#1)

The already barely repairable damage he's inflicted during the past three years will seem like mere stubbed toe.

That's the scary part, you don't know what this kenyan prick will do.

calcon  posted on  2012-06-15   11:37:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Brian S (#0)

"Our nation's immigration laws must be enforced in a firm and sensible manner," said the secretary of homeland security, Janet Napolitano.

HUH??!?

WHAT exactly is "sensible" about refusing to enforce US Constitution AND the border?

What would be "sensible" is arresting and indicting the traitors who ignore and abuse their oaths of office.

Btw, and STILL no giant butterfly-net dropped over her head, Holder's, OR 0bumas??

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-15   11:39:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: calcon (#2)

That's the scary part, you don't know what this kenyan prick will do.

Agreed...So far the guy has been given carte blanche to set ablaze EVERY single sector of life to this nation (and the world). He's "The ONE" alright.

And then there is the REALLY scary part of the equation - the notion that some people actually believe there's NO appreciable difference between 0buma and Romney.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-15   11:42:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Brian S (#0)

...I'm just SURE we can count on O'romney to repeal this globalist legislation...along with the Patriot Act, Universal health-care, NDAA, drones spying on Americans, seal the borders, repeal "free trade" and end these wars that are killing MILLIONS of innocent people...all for the MIC...yeah, that's the ticket/s...

Ronmey is just another turd selected from the same cesspool as the Kenyan...he's just white. Globalists traitors...each and every one of them...only the stupid people haven't figured the game out just yet

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-06-15   11:47:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Liberator (#4)

And then there is the REALLY scary part of the equation - the notion that some people actually believe there's NO appreciable difference between 0buma and Romney.

...no, the REALLY scary part is that people believe there's any difference that matters...

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-06-15   11:50:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: freedomsnotfree (#6)

...no, the REALLY scary part is that people believe there's any difference that matters...

Uh, chyeah, o-kay, Magoo.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-15   11:57:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Brian S, liberator, TooConservative (#0)

"We need Congress to step up and finish the job," she said

These guys are idiots to their own demise. This is a political move that will further slow our economy and keep unemployment up.

As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)

redleghunter  posted on  2012-06-15   12:09:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: freedomsnotfree (#5)

...I'm just SURE we can count on O'romney to repeal this globalist legislation...along with the Patriot Act, Universal health-care, NDAA, drones spying on Americans, seal the borders, repeal "free trade" and end these wars that are killing MILLIONS of innocent people...all for the MIC...yeah, that's the ticket/s...

You forgot the killing of baby seals...

How idiotic and myopic does one have to be to dismiss the ongoing Scorched Earth policy of 0buma & Co. and presume Romney will continue these SAME policies? Have you been paying attention to 0buma's "governance", his Cabinet, his Czars, AND his 100% record on sabotaging the country?

There are DEGREES of fascism, statism, Communism and outright destruction of America "as we know it" that Romney will NEVER come close to executing.

The analogous "ticket" is about surviving Armageddon vs. a war. There is QUITE a difference between that - as well as between a bowl of dog sh*t and an old bowl of Hormel Chili.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-15   12:10:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: redleghunter, TooConservative, Brian S (#8)

These guys are idiots to their own demise. This is a political move that will further slow our economy and keep unemployment up.

They're not idiots; They know EXACTLY what they're doing with respect to the lack of border enforcement, and the aiding and abetting of a ten-year-long illegal invasion of at least 30 million.

The previous Administration (that would be Dubya and GOP azz-hats who set the precedent back in 2001 when they could have easily halted it) are just as indictable and treasonous in this regard. Why did THEY enable the Invasion??

The accrued unimpeded LARGE invasion since the so-called "war on terror" in 2001 is now a SHTF situation. Today's crummy economy, unemployment, and the social services feeding frenzy due to the illegal invasion and bi-partisan insanity was due to break us.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-15   12:24:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Liberator (#10)

I see opportunities for Romney and the GOP to resist this, ways to play both ends against the middle on the Hispanic vote.

But they have the guts or even the desire to? I guess we'll have to wait to find out. I'm not exactly holding my breath on it.

I expect the Stain and Lady Lindsey will be out to support the Kenyan's shamnesty-by-any-means within the hour and condemn anyone who criticizes it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-06-15   13:04:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Liberator (#9)

There are DEGREES of fascism, statism, Communism and outright destruction of America "as we know it" that Romney will NEVER come close to executing.

...how VERY accepting of you. And Romney is a PROVEN liar and has proved this over and over. Why do YOU believe ANYTHING he says he will or won't do? Are you seriously THAT gullible.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-06-15   13:50:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: redleghunter (#8)

This is a political move that will further slow our economy and keep unemployment up.

Just as planned.... They need a permanent underclass to vote for them or other wise they will just end up as a footnote in history..... not to mention a bad memory too!!!

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CZ82  posted on  2012-06-15   15:16:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Brian S (#0)

President Obama Signs Order To Stop Deportation Of Young Undocumented Immigrants

And I predict this will backfire on them big time, just like everything else they've tried lately...

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CZ82  posted on  2012-06-15   16:25:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Liberator (#4)

And then there is the REALLY scary part of the equation - the notion that some people actually believe there's NO appreciable difference between 0buma and Romney.

"Comparing side by side the words and political stances of Republican and Democratic presidential candidates Mitt Romney and President Barack Obama. Includes topics like universal health care, gun rights, energy, NDAA, the Patriot Act, Iran, sanctions, economic stimulus. bank and auto bailouts, civil rights, TARP, the Federal Reserve, Ben Bernanke, campaign donations, and more. Thanks for watching & please share! Compiled with videos from news, interviews, rally footage, and more, IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE FAIR USE ACT."

some text

"If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave." Samuel Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772

We The People  posted on  2012-06-15   16:43:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: TooConservative, Liberator (#11)

To: Liberator I see opportunities for Romney and the GOP to resist this, ways to play both ends against the middle on the Hispanic vote.

I just read a headline that says "Romney sides with Rubio on Obama's Immigration Plan". I'm not surprised, just very sad to see what America has become. Are we so weak that we let Obama act like a "benevolent" dictator? (Verified by his response to the reporter who dared interrupt him when he was speaking..."for the right thing to do for the American people".)

Click here to watch and listen to The PJ Tatler video of that segment

Zesta  posted on  2012-06-15   18:17:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: CZ82 (#14)

And I predict this will backfire on them big time, just like everything else they've tried lately...

I certainly hope so. What are they going to do next? Fire up a printing press that somehow creates jobs instead of worthless dollars?

Zesta  posted on  2012-06-15   18:19:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Zesta (#16)

I suppose they'll grumble and assent to it. The GOP honchos have been pressuring Romney.

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-06-15   18:25:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Zesta (#16)

At an ice cream social in Milford, N.H., reporters tried to ask former Gov. Mitt Romney whether he would reverse the president's move if he is elected president. Romney initially did not respond.

According to NBC's Alex Moe, Romney then came back out from the campaign bus and gave this quick statement.

"I believe the status of young people who come here through no fault of their own is an important matter to be considered and should be solved on a long term basis so they know what their future would be in this country. I think the action that the President took today makes it more difficult to reach that long term solution because an executive order is, of course, just a short term matter. It can be reversed by subsequent presidents. I'd like to see legislation that deals with this issue and I happen to agree with Marco Rubio as he considers this issue. He said that this is an important matter, we have to find a long term solution but the President's action makes reaching a long term solution more difficult. If I'm president, we'll do our very best to have that kind of long term solution that provides certainty and clarity for the people who come into this country through no fault of their own by virtue of the actions of their parents."

For his part, Rubio released a statement today saying "we should figure out a way to help kids who are undocumented through no fault of their own, but there is also broad consensus that it should be done in a way that does not encourage illegal immigration in the future... Today’s announcement will be welcome news for many of these kids desperate for an answer, but it is a short term answer to a long term problem. And by once again ignoring the Constitution and going around Congress, this short term policy will make it harder to find a balanced and responsible long term one.”

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-06-15   18:27:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Zesta (#17)

Fire up a printing press that somehow creates jobs instead of worthless dollars?

They don't want everybody to be employed, that makes them "individuals"... and not the permanent underclass they require for votes to stay in power.....

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CZ82  posted on  2012-06-15   18:46:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: We The People, Capitalist Eric, freedomsnotfree, Zesta, TooConservative (#15) (Edited)

Comparing side by side the words and political stances of Republican and Democratic presidential candidates Mitt Romney and President Barack Obama. Includes topics like universal health care, gun rights, energy, NDAA, the Patriot Act, Iran, sanctions, economic stimulus. bank and auto bailouts, civil rights, TARP, the Federal Reserve, Ben Bernanke, campaign donations, and more. Thanks for watching & please share! Compiled with videos from news, interviews, rally footage, and more, IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE FAIR USE ACT."

No sh*t. NONE of the above correlative similarities are surprising at all.

Who's defending Romney on ANY basis that he's not a fellow Statist? Guess who else backed ALL of the above or would have? George W. Bush.

The Elite's Fix has been IN regarding these issues - ALL of them: universal health care, gun restrictions (for "crazies" - a GOOD law, btw), creating fake wars, the Patriot Act, TARP, allowing the illegal invasion, colluding with the Federal Reserve, shipping the economy off in a coffin to China, etc ad nauseam.

That said, how and why do you and others continue to rationalize, discount and dismiss the ongoing Scorched Earth policy of 0buma & Co. while presuming Romney will continue 0buma's SAME policies?

Have you been paying attention to 0buma's "governance", the policies of his Cabinet, his Czars? His 100% record on sabotaging the country?

How about ACORN? Solyndra? The Chicago Way? Holder's criminal DoJ and treasonous Fast and Furious? Exposing and hanging our intel contacts out to dry in the ME? Plotting WITH the Russian leader in broad daylight to screw us? Apologizing FOR an America its traditions and heritage that he hates? The destruction and mockery of our credibility and prestige?

How about his creation of the coming Race Wars? Allowing the Gulf to be poisoned during the blown oil well? Fomenting Class Warfare? His admission of "spreading the wealth around"? Destroying the coal and oil industries?

Man, I could literally spend hours itemizing all the SH*T that 0buma IS and Romney ISN'T.

Why ignore all the HUGE differences??

There are DEGREES of fascism, statism, Communism and outright destruction of America "as we know it" that Romney will NEVER come close to executing - NOR does he despise America like 0buma, Holder, and his Dem-fascist-Commie Cronies who will show NO mercy at every federal level IF they get another 4 years.

Yes, we will bleed under Romney. We will be further ensconced in intrusive, unreasonable statist policies and laws. But I will not be party to a President who had he his way would have us necklaced, butchered in the street, drawn and quartered - but not before our gold fillings are ripped out of our teeth and nation resembled Uganda, circa Idi Amin.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-15   19:07:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: CZ82 (#14) (Edited)

And I predict this will backfire on them big time, just like everything else they've tried lately...

NOTHING "backfires" when you control the message and the narrative. The MEDIA is owned by the elites and Dem Party.

The guy has CRATERED the United States of America in 3+ years - his phantom/checkered past is STILL ignored - and STILL that hasn't "backfired" a single pop-gun.

Treason, Extortion, Bribery, Perjury, and Obstruction of Justice USED to be a serious offense. EVEN for Presidents and Attorney Generals.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-15   19:13:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: CZ82 (#13)

They need a permanent underclass to vote for them or other wise they will just end up as a footnote in history..... not to mention a bad memory too!!!

Yes...plus they need a divided USA. And the destruction of any national identification. The elites want and require WORLD CITIZENS who will have NO problem with loyalty enforcing police state action upon the citizenry.

Divide and Conquer has been the MO since "diversity is our strength" became the mantra created by the globalist-socialists academics and elites.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-15   19:18:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: TooConservative (#11)

I see opportunities for Romney and the GOP to resist this, ways to play both ends against the middle on the Hispanic vote.

But they have the guts or even the desire to?

Of course not; The Fix has been in since 9/11.

Dubya and Congress could have easily deported millions of Mexican illegals and thrown down the gauntlet at the border as a result of the so-called "War on Terror". Instead they turned a blind eye to the hispanic invasion and inevitable demographic nightmare and dilution of "Americans".

Romney and the GOP will play Kabuki Theater...then grant Amnesty. NOTHING is stopping this runaway freight train.

I expect the Stain and Lady Lindsey will be out to support the Kenyan's shamnesty-by-any-means within the hour and condemn anyone who criticizes it.

Those two will even dot the "i"s and cross the "t"s.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-15   19:24:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Zesta, TooConservative (#16)

I just read a headline that says "Romney sides with Rubio on Obama's Immigration Plan". I'm not surprised, just very sad to see what America has become.

Rubio has been nothing but a shill for Illegal Invader Amnesty. He is joined by ALL statists who put America's national interest and identity DEAD LAST.

Are we so weak that we let Obama act like a "benevolent" dictator? (Verified by his response to the reporter who dared interrupt him when he was speaking..."for the right thing to do for the American people".)

That depends on who "we" is.

When Bubba got away with giving away technology secrets to China, his Impeachment, Vince Foster-ing and Ron Brown-ing, and all the fatal "accidents" before then, the wheels of America justice fell off once and for all.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-15   19:47:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: redleghunter, *Border Invasion* (#8) (Edited)

This is a political move that will further slow our economy and keep unemployment up.

It will have almost no effect. The targets of this feel good EO have been here for up to 30 years. GHW Bush didn't deport them, nor Clinton, nor GW Bush, nor Obama.

Since George W. Bush they've only been deporting Illegal Aliens with a past felony criminal records, aka "catch and release". Obama's "dream" EO is BS, and will change nothing. They weren't going to get deported before it, and they're still not going to be deported. It's shuck and jive, smoke and mirrors.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2012-06-15   20:04:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Zesta (#17)

Fire up a printing press that somehow creates jobs instead of worthless dollars?

Yes actually.

New 'stimulus package' is in the works.

Stay tuned...

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2012-06-15   20:18:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: CZ82 (#14) (Edited)

And I predict this will backfire on them big time

The 'they will take our scare jobs' is the best argument to be made and could actually work.

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2012-06-15   20:20:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: hondo68 (#26)

They weren't going to get deported before it, and they're still not going to be deported.

The one thing that will make them go home is the economy..... It's actually better down south than it is here right now....

Political Bumper Stickers: The fastest way in the world to let people know you are a total dumbass.... Total number of Obama 2012 bumper stickers I've seen so far......5!! Total number of Romney 2012 bumper stickers I've seen so far...0!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-06-15   22:04:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Liberator (#22)

NOTHING "backfires" when you control the message and the narrative. The MEDIA is owned by the elites and Dem Party.

Not totally, there is enough of the "correct" message getting out that some people are waking up and smelling the coffee instead of the "schitt"....

Political Bumper Stickers: The fastest way in the world to let people know you are a total dumbass.... Total number of Obama 2012 bumper stickers I've seen so far......5.. Total number of Romney 2012 bumper stickers I've seen so far...0.. Total number of Obama vs GW Bush 2012 bumper stickers....2!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-06-15   22:19:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Brian S (#28)

The 'they will take our scare jobs' is the best argument to be made and could actually work.

Could you please elaborate on this? I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Are you saying that socialism could work?

Zesta  posted on  2012-06-15   22:24:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Liberator (#21)

But I will not be party to a President who had he his way would have us necklaced, butchered in the street, drawn and quartered - but not before our gold fillings are ripped out of our teeth and nation resembled Uganda, circa Idi Amin.

...so you support a liar that HATES the Constitution, the rule of law, freedoms espoused by the founders and is in total agreement with Obama when it comes to implementing laws that can/will destroy ANY freedoms left. Dictators COUNT on sheep like yourself...I firmly believe Romney will be the next president...TPTB certainly seem to be moving more in his direction...but I will NEVER vote to support a man so intent on destroying that which I love...you madam, are a coward.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-06-15   23:21:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Liberator (#3)

HUH??!?

WHAT exactly is "sensible" about refusing to enforce US Constitution AND the border?

What would be "sensible" is arresting and indicting the traitors who ignore and abuse their oaths of office.

And you think mcRomney will be better.

IDIOT.

"Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-06-15   23:48:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Capitalist Eric (#33)

To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." Michael Rivero

I don't think Michael Rivero is very up on the Christians of this nation. The Christian recognizes that it is God who controls who will be in D.C. and what course this nation takes. Your vote matters even less than you know, if you don't pray for the "gift of this nation" which is God's blessing. It is the soul of the nation that has collapsed. (See through out the Biblical history and the history that has survived, that is, of the men and women who came before that weren't paid or starved for favor of their willingness to skew the knowledge for personal gain in the way of coin and prestige).

SJN  posted on  2012-06-16   0:52:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Capitalist Eric (#33)

And you think mcRomney will be better.

IDIOT.

YOU, Eric, have FAILED to answer the bell by choosing to ignore my list of 0buma's sabotage and undermining of the USA in action. His course of action WILL continue if re-elected - only the Gates of Hell will be opened.

To compare 0buma's clear hatred of Whitey, America, Justice, and Capitalism (heh, here's some irony for YOU, "Capitalist Eric") to Romney's degree of statism is absurd.

Btw, name-calling and ignorance is no excuse for stupidity. And surrendering.

We have exactly TWO election choices at this point:

1) Bleed and perhaps slowly die

2) Hemorrhage and be butchered

Choose wisely.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-16   9:37:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: freedomsnotfree (#32)

...so you support a liar that HATES the Constitution, the rule of law, freedoms espoused by the founders and is in total agreement with Obama when it comes to implementing laws that can/will destroy ANY freedoms left. Dictators COUNT on sheep like yourself...

Did you graduate 5th grade, Jethro?? You reading comprehension isn't real strong, is it? LOL.

Tell me...Do you believe 0buma is sabotaging the USA? A simple "YES" or "NO" will do.

I firmly believe Romney will be the next president...TPTB certainly seem to be moving more in his direction...but I will NEVER vote to support a man so intent on destroying that which I love...you madam, are a coward.

I see - you're an unprincipled shill FOR 0buma. Thanks for playing.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-16   9:42:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: CZ82 (#30)

There is enough of the "correct" message getting out that some people are waking up and smelling the coffee instead of the "schitt"....

Considering 0buma beat McStain 53%-47% in 2008 a mere 4% of the electorate needs to wake up and smell the java this time around.

It's no secret of The Fix and the obvious notion that Globalist-Elites' control the USA goobermint, but why aid and abet their New World Order prematurely?

I've often opined that our best chance to slow/reverse this globalist uber-statist trend is with the GOP in power. Not that it's necessarily a "cure-all" - far from it...But why enable another four years of a Fascist-Commie who has despised America his entire life?

I don't get that so-called "principle" of remaining neutral during this election if we can't dig up the DNA of George Washington.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-16   9:54:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Liberator (#37)

a mere 4% of the electorate needs to wake up and smell the java this time around.

I guarantee you more than that have woken up, the media and politicians know it too.... (that's why they are flailing around like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off). It's also why you see Obozos "supposed" approval numbers still so high, they are trying to distort the truth and discourage some voters from turning out.... That's the only way I can see that he stands a chance of being re-elected, along with voter fraud of course....

Political Bumper Stickers: The fastest way in the world to let people know you are a total dumbass.... Total number of Obama 2012 bumper stickers I've seen so far......5.. Total number of Romney 2012 bumper stickers I've seen so far...0.. Total number of Obama vs GW Bush 2012 bumper stickers....2!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-06-16   10:21:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Liberator (#37)

I've often opined that our best chance to slow/reverse this globalist uber-statist trend is with the GOP in power.

And then start taking over the party with constitutionalists and slowly but surely get rid of the statists..... That's the biggest reason I've never been in favor of a third party because it will ensure the country will deteriorate into third or fourth world status.....

Political Bumper Stickers: The fastest way in the world to let people know you are a total dumbass.... Total number of Obama 2012 bumper stickers I've seen so far......5.. Total number of Romney 2012 bumper stickers I've seen so far...0.. Total number of Obama vs GW Bush 2012 bumper stickers....2!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-06-16   10:29:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Liberator (#37)

I don't get that so-called "principle" of remaining neutral during this election if we can't dig up the DNA of George Washington.

Are you saying that the US Constitution was buried with the founders?

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-16   10:32:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Liberator, buckeroo, Capitalist Eric, We The People, CZ82 (#37)

the electorate needs to wake up and smell the java this time around

Willard M. Romney is a reconquista, running for presidente of Aztlan.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2012-06-16   11:15:01 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: hondo68 (#41)

I heard that Mitty the Monster agreed with 0bama's EO on all these illegal aliens. These politicians are all the same... with ONE exception: Ron Paul.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-16   11:30:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: CZ82 (#38)

I guarantee you more than that have woken up, the media and politicians know it too.... (that's why they are flailing around like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off).

It's also why you see Obozos "supposed" approval numbers still so high, they are trying to distort the truth and discourage some voters from turning out.... That's the only way I can see that he stands a chance of being re-elected, along with voter fraud of course....

Agree...

Bolded is THE only way this frickin' saboteur and Bolshevik-Nazi wins this election.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-16   13:02:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: CZ82, buckeroo, Capitalist Eric, We The People, hondo68 (#39)

And then start taking over the [Republican] party with constitutionalists and slowly but surely get rid of the statists.....

That's the biggest reason I've never been in favor of a third party because it will ensure the country will deteriorate into third or fourth world status.....

Opposing the Third Party option and re-taking the GOP is valid. So is organizing a Third Party; The questions are which option is:

a) Easier to facilitate

b) Whether an effective winnable Third Party will ever be a possiblity

c) Whether we allow the nation to be totally cratered during the next four years

d) Whether during a Romneyan Statist Presidency the bleeding can be stopped long enough to remove the SOME statists from within the GOP, their statist laws, their statist agenda, and restore American nationalism and constitutionalism.

The nation will remain wounded through a Romney Presidency, but the hope is that along the route the seed of conservatism can take root while rooting out the worst of the RINOs and Globalists.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-16   13:16:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: buckeroo (#40)

Are you saying that the US Constitution was buried with the founders?

At the moment only the Founders' nipples are peaking out of the dirt. What I AM saying is: 0buma is as much an option as a painful suicide.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-16   13:18:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Liberator (#45)

Why did you intentionally omit Mighty Mittey the Monster of Flip/Floppers from your selected cabal of evil doers?

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-16   13:22:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: hondo68 (#41)

Willard M. Romney is a reconquista, running for presidente of Aztlan.

Hondo, I respect and understand your position - believe me.

I don't disagree that Romney is a rabid statist...and pro-Mexican Invasion - as were Stain the two Arbusto Boys (see a trend here?). Yeah, this election sucks as much as either Bush election charade when the opponents were Gore and Kerry - two pompous, elitist a-holes. Look - the NWO agenda has been in the works - it's how Republicans like Bush, Stain, and Romney get the nod.

That said, Romney's not a sadistic America-hating, Whitey-hating, capitalist-hating Commie-Fascist and microwave-saboteur. He'll continue (but slow down) the script that undermines America's sovereignty, standard of living, and identity - SAME AS EITHER BUSH.

The difference though between he and the Kenyan is WE WILL WIN SOME issues and gain traction during Romney's regime; We have ZERO chance - that's 0.00% with another 4 years of 0buma. That on top of a sh*t-storm of hell that POS will be unleashing...

Live and fight another day. Romney give you (and us) another 4 years to organize for a legit Third Party candidate, as well an opportunity to re-take the GOP.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-16   13:34:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: buckeroo (#46)

Why did you intentionally omit Mighty Mittey the Monster of Flip/Floppers from your selected cabal of evil doers?

It's a little late for me to chastise you for a lack of reading comprehension, Buck.

If you've been familiar with my posts and positions, you'd know better.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-16   13:35:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Liberator (#47)

That said

Re-read your That said post, statist. You have no principles at all.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-16   13:36:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Brian S (#0)

This was all about undercutting Rubio.

Rubio was building a bi-partisan coalition for his immigration bill.

The Obama re-election campaign got scared, so they stepped into lawlessness by enacting major changes to our immigration policy through executive fiat.

The Democrat House and 60 person majority in the Senate voted the Dream Act down in 2010. Why didn't Obana act then?

This is nothing more than a cynical ploy to get re-elected.


we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)

jwpegler  posted on  2012-06-16   13:38:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Liberator (#48)

I rarely read you, Liberator. You, IMO, don't say much at all. You have little or few standards or values or principles that you personally stand upon.

I only read your posts where you attack the LP Klougns Posse as they are often phunney and entertain me. Please go back there. An attack group of posters is rising against the LP Klougns without you there taking charge.

Statists are a problem for a nation as dynamic as America is. And for me, you have fallen into this horrible group of posters.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-16   13:41:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: TooConservative, Zesta (#19)

Rubio released a statement today saying:

"we should figure out a way to help kids who are undocumented [aka ILLEGAL INVADER ANCHOR BABIES] through no fault of their own, but there is also broad consensus that it should be done in a way that does not encourage illegal immigration in the future..."

So what Rubio is suggesting here is, "What's done-is-done. It's not illegal anchor-babies' fault that the borders aren't enforced and the US Constitution a mockery..."

Wait...Here HE is making a mockery of the Constitution while citing it as some kind of convenient referrence:

"Today’s [de facto AMNESTY-FOR-ALL] announcement will be welcome news for many of these kids desperate for an answer, but it is a short term answer to a long term problem. And by once again ignoring the Constitution and going around Congress, this short term policy will make it harder to find a balanced and responsible long term one.”

Marco-the-Cuban-Firster is a real cute politician; He TOTALLY support 0buma's Amnesty EO but instead just "reminds" us that he'd rather perform treasonous acts through Congress.

With respect to the "consensus" Rubio refers to AND "responsibility" -- both short & ling term -- has been to enforce the border, get the Illegal Invaders the hell out of the US and deported, and NOT to bankrupt the country by subsidizing 40 million of them.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-16   13:50:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: buckeroo (#49)

Re-read your That said post, statist. You have no principles at all.

Either you forgot the sarcasm tag or your reading comprehension STILL remain problematic. There's even Option #3: You're not as politically saavy as you think.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-16   13:52:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: jwpegler (#50)

This was all about undercutting Rubio.

Rubio was building a bi-partisan coalition for his immigration bill.

The Obama re-election campaign got scared, so they stepped into lawlessness by enacting major changes to our immigration policy through executive fiat.

Interesting theory and observation...

So 0buma pre-empted the RINOs move to grant Amnesty?

Either way, America is getting screwed by having its goobermint un-constitutionally and illegally subsidizing 40 million illegal invaders and parasites...

Why opposing this isn't a winnable platform for the GOP is beyond absurd.

The Democrat House and 60 person majority in the Senate voted the Dream Act down in 2010. Why didn't 0buma act then?

Hmmm....Because he was already shoving 0bumaCare down everyone's throat and spending $800 gazillion on the phony stimulus to his pals?

It might have made him seem a bit greedy. /s

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-16   13:58:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Liberator (#52)

Here HE is making a mockery of the Constitution

It doesn't matter who is President or who controls the Congress, they are not going to round up upwards of 15 million people and deport them. It's not even feasible to do this without turning the country into a jack-booted police state.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

Where in the Consitution does it give the federal government the power to stop you and ask for your papers? No where.


we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)

jwpegler  posted on  2012-06-16   13:59:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Liberator (#53) (Edited)

I stand on principles. Obviously, you don't. You want Mittey the Monster? OK, go punch your chad-puncher down his dangling hole. It means nothing to me anymore. You are the epitome of modern political consciousness; you are a disgrace to America and why this nation has lost its once proud individual merits.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-16   14:05:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Liberator, CZ82, buckeroo, Capitalist Eric, We The People, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#44)


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2012-06-16   14:08:27 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: jwpegler (#55)

It doesn't matter who is President or who controls the Congress, they are not going to round up upwards of 15 million people and deport them. It's not even feasible to do this without turning the country into a jack-booted police state.

That's 40 million.

Secondly, IF they had begun the process of deporation of illegal invaders during Dubya Bush's phony "War on Terror," this mess would already have been cleaned up 8 years ago.

Yes, it is not only "feasible," but a necessary act. That is IF you still desire ONE nation under God instead of a Balkanized America that instead is an international host to 40 million parasites.

The illegal invader demographics have not only ensured the hijacking of the most important state in the Union: California, but have FUBARed the entire economy and law & order in states, towns, and neighborhoods from coast-to-coast, Canada-to-Mexico.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

That would be those of us NOT ready, willing, and able to bend over for the Statists. I guess you;re signing on, eh?

Where in the Consitution does it give the federal government the power to stop you and ask for your papers? No where.

That's hilarious!! So you opposed "stopping" the illegal invasion. Demanding ID for social services and drivers licensing? Duly noted.

We'll just ignore ALL the immigration laws, state laws, and municipal laws, ok?

By the way:

Section 1325 in Title 8 of the United States Code, "Improper entry of alien", provides for a fine, imprisonment, or both for any immigrant who:

1. enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration agents, or
2. eludes examination or inspection by immigration agents, or
3. attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact.

Hey - answer THIS question: Why bother having ANY border or laws or representative government?

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-16   14:31:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: buckeroo (#56)

It means nothing to me anymore.

That kind of indifference might explain why you're quite willing to accept 0buma for ANOTHER Commie-Fascist 4 years.

NICE "principle" on display right there.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-16   14:34:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: hondo68 (#57)

Again Hondo, the questions here are which option is more of a liklihood between re-taking the GOP or support of a Third Party FOR THE HERE AND NOW...

a) Which is easier to facilitate?

b) Will an effective winnable Third Party be a possibility in four years? (time IS just about run out)

c) Should we allow the nation to be *totally* cratered by 0buma during the next four years in the meantime as oppose to Romney cratering *half* of it?

d) During a Romneyan Statist Presidency, is it possible that the bleeding can be stopped long enough to remove the SOME statists from within the GOP and bowels of Goob and appreciable restoration American nationalism and constitutionalism achieved?

If it's assumed the GOP can't be re-tamed from within during Romney's regime, a Third Party candidacy MUST be organized and prepared ASAP. It's a bit late now for that to happen, ain't it?

We have two choices:

1) Die today

2) Die another day

Was there a third option during this election?

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-16   14:44:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Liberator (#59) (Edited)

NICE "principle" on display right there.

If you vote for MITT, you have no principles; it means you are just another worthless POS poster. My principles about avoiding the other "side" of political gasbags in the American political spectrum is well-noted and shall not be explained again and again and again.

Fuck you for attempting to identify me with your 0bama_nation. You are a worthless [POS] but MITT needs your vote. Go enjoy pushing your chad-puncher into his hole.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-16   14:45:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Liberator (#60)

Was there a third option during this election?

Absolutely, since the GOP has not nominated a candidate yet. Consider the many possibilities. They could have come up with a better candidate than "the presumptive nominee", by drawing a name out of a hat. Mitt has all of the charisma of Bob Dole, and the anti-American policies of McCain and Bush. IMO he'll lose because he's no different than Obama, and people just don't like either of them.

ABM!


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2012-06-16   14:56:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Liberator (#58) (Edited)

Yes, it is not only "feasible," but a necessary act.

Like I said, you are delusional.

Demanding ID for social services and drivers licensing? Duly noted.

You are confusing several things here. I oppose government social services. Getting a driver's license and registering to vote are voluntary acts - the government can and does put rules around participation. This is very different than requiring all Americans to carry a national id card, which is exactly where your anti-Mexican hysteria is going to lead.

Why bother having ANY border or laws...

When the U.S. was still a free country, we didn't have any border laws.

The U.S. Border Patrol was created during the Progressive era in 1915. What a surprise.

The federal income tax, Federal Reserve, The Great War (a.k.a. WWI), drug laws, forced sterilizations, Planned Parenthood, and the Border Patrol. I know that this is your kind of government, but it's not mine.

The real statists are people like you who are willing to turn the country into a police state, instead solving the real problems.


we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)

jwpegler  posted on  2012-06-16   14:58:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: jwpegler (#63)

The federal income tax, Federal Reserve, The Great War (a.k.a. WWI), drug laws, forced sterilizations, Planned Parenthood, and the Border Patrol. I know that this is your kind of government, but it's not mine...

The real statists are people like you who are willing to turn the country into a police state, instead solving the real problems.

If you don't have ANY laws or its enforcement you have chaos & anarchy. Is THAT what you want and who you are?

And are you telling me it's ok if Mexicans squat in your living room too and guzzling Corona in YOUR EZ-chair? What if you are unable to remove your visitors?

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-16   15:27:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: hondo68 (#62)

ABM!

Great! Can't wait for President Paul's inauguration! (OR will 0buma suffice instead?)

Consider the many possibilities.

I KNOW there are possibilities, but they aren't probabilities at this point. Didn't you get the "GOP Nomination-is-Fixed" memo yet? Geez...

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-16   15:31:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Brian S (#0)

Borders? We don't need no stinking borders! We are all citizens of the world,comrade!

Except for the honkies,of course.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-06-16   15:39:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Liberator (#64)

If you don't have ANY laws or its enforcement you have chaos & anarchy.

So, the first 130 years of the republic were "chaos and anarchy"?

Wow, I didn't know that.

Luckily, we had Woodrow Wilson to rescue the country from that living hell.


we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)

jwpegler  posted on  2012-06-16   15:42:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Liberator (#64) (Edited)

And are you telling me it's ok if Mexicans squat in your living room

If anyone enters my house without permission, I'm going to shoot them in the head.

I've been reading your words very carefully.

Illegal immigration isn't your real issue.

Your real issue is anyone who isn't a white protestant.

It's very clear.


we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)

jwpegler  posted on  2012-06-16   15:53:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Liberator (#1)

Another dictatorial EO that violates the US Constitutional (aka that G-D piece of paper).

Heh Heh Heh.....

funny......

It is nothing of the sort....

From the President's perspective it is a good political move.....

President Obama issues a largely meaningless EO - that will appeal to the Hispanic voting bloc..... that forces the gopers to marginalize the Hispanic voters....or support his position.

It's a win-win for Obama and a Lose-Lose for the republicans.......

Ok - so for all of you "seal-the-borders" pragmatists..... tell me- would you rather advocate the construction of an "East-German" style border check-point system....(and you think the TSA sexual-assault centers at the airports are bad...)- or alienate the Hispanic vote and have your party's candidates come in second........again?

Jameson  posted on  2012-06-16   16:10:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Jameson (#69)

From the President's perspective it is a good political move.....

I agreee with you. And all the POS American presidents do this same antic. What is more important to watch is the timing of the antic. Ever notice the creeping election that is around the corner in time, wherein the same EO has no real purpose anyway?

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-16   16:32:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Liberator (#21)

The Elite's Fix has been IN regarding these issues - ALL of them: universal health care, gun restrictions (for "crazies" - a GOOD law, btw), creating fake wars, the Patriot Act, TARP, allowing the illegal invasion, colluding with the Federal Reserve, shipping the economy off in a coffin to China, etc ad nauseam.

That said, how and why do you and others continue to rationalize, discount and dismiss the ongoing Scorched Earth policy of 0buma & Co. while presuming Romney will continue 0buma's SAME policies?

I haven't personally, and haven't seen anyone (on the right that is) here even attempt to rationalize, discount and dismiss the ongoing Scorched Earth policy of 0buma & Co.

As far as "presuming Romney will continue 0buma's SAME policies".... you said it yourself when you said, "The Elite's Fix has been IN regarding these issues - ALL of them."

Yes, we will bleed under Romney.

Yes. You vote for that, then you own it.

Sometime, somewhere, Americans have got to stop voting for that. Not this time you say? Then when?

I stopped in 2008 and I will not ever vote for that again.

some text

"If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave." Samuel Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772

We The People  posted on  2012-06-16   16:49:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: buckeroo (#70)

What is more important to watch is the timing of the antic...

yeah......

Look for several more major policy announcements before November......

Including a deal on the Keystone XL pipeline....which will promise tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands??) of jobs and big pay-offs for the oil companies already invested in the project.

Political theater at its best!

Jameson  posted on  2012-06-16   17:08:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Jameson (#72)

Political theater at its best!

Always keep that point in mind. It is always phunney. What is not so phunney, little or nothing is accomplished by the acts of American governance these days other than higher taxes, increased and continuing foreign involvement and a lesser quality of life in America beyond the loss of individual liberties.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-16   17:14:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Jameson (#69)

advocate the construction of an "East-German" style border check-point system....(and you think the TSA sexual-assault centers at the airports are bad...)

If we had a law abiding president, border crossings would be nothing like TSA checkpoints. All they need to check is citizenship, and taxable goods. Since all arms are legal and protected under the second amendment, no groping or X-ray needed at all.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2012-06-16   17:27:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: hondo68 (#74)

If we had a law abiding president ...

When in your own lifetime have YOU are anyone seen a "law abiding president?" There never was such a person or institution or administration.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-16   17:40:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: buckeroo (#75) (Edited)

When in your own lifetime have YOU are anyone seen a "law abiding president?"

Ford was a law abiding guy. He also vetoed 5 times as many bills in his 2 1/2 years in office than Bush vetoed in 8 years.

Ford doesn't get enough credit for defending the country from the 1974 Democrat class of crazies.


we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)

jwpegler  posted on  2012-06-16   17:51:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Brian S (#0)

whyofcourse  posted on  2012-06-16   18:22:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: jwpegler (#76)

Ford was a law abiding guy.

Yeah. Did any objective evidence PROVE his pardons?

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-16   18:26:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Liberator (#1)

Another dictatorial EO that violates the US Constitutional (aka that G-D piece of paper).

Yukon says the Constitution is obsolete because of electronics.

LOLAYDS (Laugh Out Loud At Yukon Drinking Sperm)

nativist nationalist  posted on  2012-06-16   20:25:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: buckeroo (#78) (Edited)

Did any objective evidence PROVE his pardons?

Pardons ARE LEGAL, PERIOD. No evidence is needed. They are part of the LAW.

You were bellyaching about how all Presidents are lawless.

Tell us all how Ford broke the LAW.

You can't, because he didn't.


we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)

jwpegler  posted on  2012-06-16   20:46:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: jwpegler (#80)

jwpegler: Ford was a law abiding guy.

buckeroo: Did any objective evidence PROVE his pardons?

jwpegler: Pardons are part of the LAW.

Or abuse of power. It depends on how one may think of the world.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-16   20:55:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: buckeroo (#81)

Or abuse of power. It depends on how one may think of the world.

Completely wrong.

Presidents have the absolute authority UNDER THE LAW to pardon whomever they want.

You said that ALL Presidents are lawless.

PROVE your claim.

You can't.

You may disagree with article 2 section 2 of the Constitution. If you disagree with the Constitution, then just say so. But don't accuse someone of being a criminal because they exercised their Constitutional power to pardon someone.


we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)

jwpegler  posted on  2012-06-16   21:02:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: jwpegler (#82)

Presidents have the absolute authority UNDER THE LAW to pardon whomever they want.

That doesn't make their decisions correct or moral or ethical in the eyes of the People. Pardoning Nixon was treasonable. The Congress has no will to prosecute the idiot though. Most people wanted an end of Nixon in the public eye.

It is the never-ending double standard about American justice.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-16   21:18:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: buckeroo (#83) (Edited)

That doesn't make their decisions correct or moral or ethical

Moral and ethical has nothing to do with legal. You said that there weren't any law abiding Presidents.

Pardoning Nixon was treasonable

No, it was not. It may have been politically stupid, but it he had the authority under the Constitution to do so.


we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)

jwpegler  posted on  2012-06-17   10:46:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: hondo68 (#74)

If we had a law abiding president, border crossings would be nothing like TSA checkpoints.

While I cannot disagree with your point, I will point out that if we'd had a law- abiding president and congress.....we would have never been subject to the "cop-a- feel" TSA and its SS style tactics.......IMHO

Jameson  posted on  2012-06-17   11:39:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Brian S, All (#0)

Huckabee seems to like it....

patriotupdate.com/24731/h...s-immigration-policy-its- an-admirable-thing

Political Bumper Stickers: The fastest way in the world to let people know you are a total dumbass.... Total number of Obama 2012 bumper stickers I've seen so far......5.. Total number of Romney 2012 bumper stickers I've seen so far...0.. Total number of Obama vs GW Bush 2012 bumper stickers....2!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-06-18   9:34:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Zesta, freedomsnotfree, TooConservative, Liberator (#16)

I just read a headline that says "Romney sides with Rubio on Obama's Immigration Plan". I'm not surprised, just very sad to see what America has become.

Romney's own words are evidence enough, he will not do anything to stop the flow of illegals into the United States.

Willard "Mitt" Romney, (6/16/12) - "If I’m president, we’ll do our very best to have that kind of long-term solution that provides certainty and clarity for the people who come into this country through no fault of their own by virtue of the action of their parents.”

He'll follow the same script that the other "actors" in the White House have done for the past decade.

When are you guys going to get it yet? They are puppets, Romney - Obama...it doesn't really matter at this stage of the NWO plan.

Obama and all Candidates for President will support open Borders

Obama and all candidates for president will support open borders. Most Americans don’t know and the mass media barely covered the most important announcement in the history of America.

President Obama is the first president to actually declare his intention to establish a security perimeter around North America, in cooperation with Canada and yes, another bilateral agreement with Mexico, eventually completing the continental security perimeter.

This will permit the citizens of Canada, Mexico and the United States to travel across our mutual borders without being stopped. These borders will be open to travel, like citizens in the European Union.

"if you're not cop, you're little people"

Deckard  posted on  2012-06-18   9:50:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Deckard (#87)

Romney's own words are evidence enough, he will not do anything to stop the flow of illegals into the United States.

Unfortunately you are probably right.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-06-18   9:53:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Deckard, Zesta, freedomsnotfree, TooConservative (#87)

Romney's own words are evidence enough, he will not do anything to stop the flow of illegals into the United States.

Yeah, I GET IT. But there are literally THOUSANDS of issues to consider besides the illegal invader issue.

Why are you turning a blind eye to the OTHER thousands of important issues where conservatives and constitutionalists have an opportunity to WIN with Romney INSTEAD OF 0buma??

When are you guys going to get it yet? They are puppets, Romney - Obama...it doesn't really matter at this stage of the NWO plan.

DUH.

I suppose since Schwin and Harley are BOTH "bikes," that they are equally capable transportation.

Your non-vote is a vote FOR SURRENDER to 0buma's microwave version of the NWO.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-18   10:41:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: nativist nationalist (#79)

Yukon says the Constitution is obsolete because of electronics.

Women and common sense is obsolete to Yu-klown as well...The guy's a genital-obsessed statist shill and sociopath with NO clue...

Btw, I got several laughs out of your yu-klown jokes the other day.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-18   10:45:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Deckard (#87)

Romney is run, and controlled, by the same global elites that own and control the Kenyan...I have read your posts and you are another patriot that understands the false left/right paradigm. The numbers of people that are waking up...and WILL NOT support the sh** shoveled at us is growing...if that means the Kenyan wins and O'Romney losses, so be it...the growing global communism in this country is a boil that needs to be lanced...my advice is get ready for the storm that is coming...it is unavoidable and is going to be nasty. Thanks for your GREAT posts and having the integrity to stand for what is right.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-06-18   10:59:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Liberator (#89)

Your non-vote is a vote FOR SURRENDER to 0buma's microwave version of the NWO.

...then you better get prepared for the fight of your life Lib...prepare to reap the winds that your "settle for the lessor of two evils" crowd has sown. Grow a pair and stop supporting the NWO...if it means a fight...then so be it.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-06-18   11:04:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: freedomsnotfree (#92)

...then you better get prepared for the fight of your life Lib...prepare to reap the winds that your "settle for the lessor of two evils" crowd has sown. Grow a pair and stop supporting the NWO...if it means a fight...then so be it.

LOL...

Look - I understand "sanity" is relative... BUT, here's a few SIMPLE questions:

Do you believe in degree of right and wrong? Black and white? Good and bad?

NEWSFLASH: You can NOT win a war without first winning a battle.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-18   11:19:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Liberator (#89)

I suppose since Schwin and Harley are BOTH "bikes," that they are equally capable transportation.

hen did yukon start posting here?

Or did he just hack your screen name?

"if you're not cop, you're little people"

Deckard  posted on  2012-06-18   11:22:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Liberator (#93)

Thanks Lib...but I'll choose NOT to support the NWO shill...either of them. I hope you're ready for what's coming...brought to you by the "vote for the lessor of two evils" crowd. Nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, the lying Romney has said, or done, makes me think he's better than the Kenyan. He's not a flip flopper...he's A LIAR, plain and simple.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-06-18   11:26:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: freedomsnotfree (#95)

Thanks Lib...but I'll choose NOT to support the NWO shill...either of them. I hope you're ready for what's coming...

If it's 0buma expect blood in the streets, a Third World goob, chaos, anarchy, and martial law. I'M ready - are YOU??

Nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, the lying Romney has said, or done, makes me think he's better than the Kenyan.

The Kenyan is Satan - but don't let THAT get in the way of your judgment.

Btw, I'm sorry to hear about your deafness, utter ignorance, and blindness.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-18   11:37:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Deckard (#94) (Edited)

hen did yukon start posting here?

Or did he just hack your screen name?

You've been unable to answer the bell. Ignorance + stupidity = Alice in Wonderland. Ain't happening, chief.

FAIL.

Thanks for playing.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-18   11:39:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Liberator (#96)

If it's 0buma expect blood in the streets, a Third World goob, chaos, anarchy, and martial law. I'M ready - are YOU??.........yes I am.

The Kenyan is Satan - but don't let THAT get in the way of your judgment....yes he is, but Satan is the FATHER of liars...and Romney is a PROVEN LIAR...OVER AND OVER.

Btw, I'm sorry to hear about your deafness, utter ignorance, and blindness....I WILL NOT SUPPORT A GLOBALIST PUPPET...Romney is one. I'm ready for the consequences of that choice and when I stand before my maker, I'll be able to say, I DID NOT VOTE FOR EVIL, regardless of your fantasy about "degrees".

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-06-18   11:46:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: freedomsnotfree, hondo68, Deckard (#98)

I WILL NOT SUPPORT A GLOBALIST PUPPET...Romney is one.

As have been all the other GOP candidates since Eisenhower - except Ronald Reagan, a few scant others, and Ron Paul (who btw realizes the GOP is the ONLY other option.)

Can you and others explain why Ron Paul didn't run as a Third Party candidate??

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-18   12:02:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: freedomsnotfree (#98)

I'm ready for the consequences of that choice and when I stand before my maker, I'll be able to say, I DID NOT VOTE FOR EVIL, regardless of your fantasy about "degrees".

So...

It is YOUR opinion that ONLY "Black & White" exists and no shade between? Right and wrong? Good and bad, no degrees between? Bitter and Sweet? NOTHING in between?

REALLY??

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-18   12:06:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Liberator (#100)

I'm ready for the consequences of that choice and when I stand before my maker, I'll be able to say, I DID NOT VOTE FOR EVIL, regardless of your fantasy about "degrees".

What part of that statement don't you understand. My line is the sand has been drawn... MY GOD EXPECTS me NOT to support LIARS, abortionists & war- mongers...how bout yours?

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-06-18   12:19:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: freedomsnotfree (#101)

What part of that statement don't you understand.

About you refusing to concede that there are infinite shades of grays that exist in life?

I can I take you seriously when you fail to admit the answer of the most simple and obvious of questions?

My line is the sand has been drawn...

You mean the "line" that starts over the cliff? Are you Yosemite Sam?

MY GOD EXPECTS me NOT to support LIARS, abortionists & war- mongers...how bout yours?

You actually believe co-opting your pathetic version of the "God Card" while allowing unfettered 100% evil to swallow us up unimpeded earns you ANY credibility in this debate??

I now expect you'll NEVER vote in another election at the local, state or feral level. EVER.

Btw, can YOU explain why Ron Paul refused to run as a Third Party Independent in either 2008 OR this year?

Tick...tick...tick....

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-18   13:25:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Liberator (#102)

Are you Yosemite Sam?

I thought Yukon was Yosemite Sam?

Do you know the difference between a refrigerator and Yukon?

A refrigerator doesn't fart when you pull the meat out.

LOLAYDS (Laugh Out Loud At Yukon Drinking Sperm)

nativist nationalist  posted on  2012-06-18   13:30:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: nativist nationalist (#103)

I thought Yukon was Yosemite Sam?

YOU have certainly been paying attention, lol....Yes he IS.

Do you know the difference between a refrigerator and Yukon?

A refrigerator doesn't fart when you pull the meat out.

ROFL!

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-18   13:33:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Liberator (#102)

go live in the "gray" Lib...you have no beliefs, no convictions and no moral standing...it's no wonder you support a candidate with the same "standards" as yourself. And, no, I can't explain why Paul didn't go 3rd party, nor do I care, I will probably vote for Virgil Goode whom I know personally.

How is your "lesser of 2 evils candidate" going to win without the support of those that are unwilling to sell their soul to the devil...like yourself.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-06-18   13:42:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: freedomsnotfree (#105)

The latest propaganda release from the WH. The reconquista pitch starts about 5 minutes into it.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2012-06-18   20:50:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: hondo68 (#106)

just finished watching...Thanks. The BS is so deep... I guess it DOES work on the stupd...all you have to do is listen to those on this forum about how we MUST get rid of one POS and vote in the other POS.

freedomsnotfree  posted on  2012-06-18   21:24:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Liberator (#90)

Btw, I got several laughs out of your yu-klown jokes the other day.

Here we find Yukon getting down on A Pole:

Bozo everyone, A hole, you little, squealing, whining, leftwing pansyass!

Yukon is usually found going down on a pole.

LOLAYDS (Laugh Out Loud At Yukon Drinking Sperm)

nativist nationalist  posted on  2012-06-18   23:24:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: TooConservative (#18)

suppose they'll grumble and assent to it. The GOP honchos have been pressuring Romney.

Wimps.

Any politician advocating or rewarding breaking our laws is violating their oath of office.

If my dad robbed a bank, then I should be allowed to keep the money b/c he has supported me with that money. Since the precedence that a kid benefitting from a crime is ok has been set.

Serenissima Venezia  posted on  2012-06-19   15:13:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: jwpegler (#68)

I've been reading your words very carefully.

Illegal immigration isn't your real issue.

Your real issue is anyone who isn't a white protestant.

It's very clear.

It's painfully clear that you are an ignoramus who scores an "-3" on a 1-10 "Awareness-Scale".

If you read any more "carefully," you'll out-score even mininggold.

LMAO

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-23   13:09:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: nativist nationalist, abcdefg (#108)

Here we find Yukon getting down on A Pole:

"Bozo everyone, A hole, you little, squealing, whining, leftwing pansyass!"

Yukon is usually found going down on a pole.

HA!! THAT is excellent wit.

You and abcdefg are two of the funnier posters out there...You kill. Yu-Klown and his Posse never know what hits them. Since you are working in a target-rich environment I suppose the jokes will keep coming...

;-)

Keep it coming you two. Their hypocrisy needs always to be called out (by whomever hasn't BOZO'd them yet).

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-23   13:16:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Liberator (#111)

You and abcdefg are two of the funnier posters out there...You kill. Yu-Klown and his Posse never know what hits them. Since you are working in a target-rich environment I suppose the jokes will keep coming...

Thanks. I was sort of thinking we should have a dedicated Yukon jokes thread.

nativist nationalist  posted on  2012-06-24   19:43:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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