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Title: Guest Post: The Trouble with Rand Paul
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ZeroHedge
URL Source: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-trouble-rand-paul
Published: Jun 9, 2012
Author: John Aziz
Post Date: 2012-06-09 17:07:34 by Hondo68
Keywords: Just another neocon, a war against America, You suck Rand! Traitor!
Views: 3538
Comments: 12
Rand Paul just endorsed a man who is deeply hostile to human liberty. Perhaps that’s Rand’s idea of playing politics? Come to the table, strike a deal, get what you can. Trouble is, it’s tough striking a good deal when the guy on the other side of the table believes that the government should be allowed to claim — without having to produce any evidence whatsoever — that certain people are terrorists, and therefore should be detained indefinitely without any kind of due process. That’s textbook tyranny. Yes, I would have [signed the NDAA]. And I do believe that it is appropriate to have in our nation the capacity to detain people who are threats to this country, who are members of al Qaeda. Look, you have every right in this country to protest and to express your views on a wide range of issues but you don’t have a right to join a group that has killed Americans, and has declared war against America. That’s treason. In this country we have a right to take those people and put them in jail. If I were president I would not abuse this power. But people who join al Qaeda are not entitled to rights of due process under our normal legal code. They are entitled instead to be treated as enemy combatants. Mitt Romney Except, if the government had any evidence they were really members of al-Qaeda and engaged in a war against America they could be charged with offenses under current laws and tried in front of a jury of their peers. As was proven when Judge Katherine Forrest struck down the indefinite detention provision of the NDAA as unconstitutional, the real detention targets are people like the ones who brought the case — writers, investigative journalist and whistleblowers: people like Chris Hedges, Noam Chomsky, Daniel Ellsberg, Jennifer Bolen, and Birgitta Jonsdottir. Rand Paul might have done some good work trying to filibuster the Patriot Act, but endorsing Mitt Romney goes beyond the pale. The NDAA is Romney’s most egregious transgression against liberty, but not far behind are his desire to start a war against Iran, to increase military spending, to start a trade war with China and his belief that corporations are people. I know I will never agree with any politician on every single dimension of every single issue, and that to some extent politics will always involve compromise. Certainly, I disagree with Ron Paul on some issues. But Mitt Romney’s stances on these issues seem much, much, much closer to Barack Obama than they do to Ron Paul. In fact, he might as well have endorsed Obama for President. And the Ron Paul supporters are noticing: Rand has probably burnt most bridges to his Father’s supporters now. His Facebook page has seen a huge outpouring of fury: Just lost a lot of faith in a man I otherwise adored. You suck Rand! Traitor! That’s why this country is doomed! Even the person you trust is a sell-out. I’m done with politics, people deserve what they get. Let the country run itself to the ground, and still people will not understand what freedom and self-responsibility is about. People want big gov’t, big brother every step of the way. Well, they got it. The rest of us, might as well try to move to another country or find an island and move there. I knew I’d never vote for Mitt… Now I know I’ll never vote for Rand. He has fully sold out to the bankers Endorsing Romney is tantamount to an utter sell-out of conservative principles. Did George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison try to compromise with King George? Or — when it became obvious that they were facing tyranny — did they stand up for the principles of liberty? I have always been uncomfortable with the children of politicians becoming politicians. Every anointed child feels like a step away from meritocracy. Dynasties are dangerous, because the dynasty itself comes to be more important than the qualities of the politicians. Who would Rand Paul be if he wasn’t Ron Paul’s son? Just another neocon. Neocons often have a few “unfashionable” libertarian or constitutionalist sympathies; look at Charles Krauthammer. But — unlike Ron Paul — the neocon never has the spine to do much about their libertarian or constitutionalist sympathies. They just ride on the establishment steamroller, into foreign occupations, empire building, corporate welfare, and banking bailouts. Into Iraq, and soon into Iran. Rand Paul just got on the steamroller.
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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)
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But corporations are people. Imaginary people with assets and liabilities. That is their purpose under the law. Romney meant it more broadly but it is legally pretty accurate to say that corporations are people. Tell us how you really feel! How is it that you think Ron Paul (alone) or Rand Paul (alone) have this awesome power to singlehandedly change American policy? If you want results, you have to elect more like-minded people. Kurt Bills running for Senate from MN is a good example, a real Ron Paul Republican and a terrific speaker, very attractive and wholesome candidate. So would Ted Cruz from Texas. You don't win by electing one pol as prez. You have to elect at least a significant minority to Congress to accomplish anything significant. And you won't win overnight just by casting one ballot. Or two. The system is inherently resistant to change.
A former Ron paul staffer gives the back story on the campaign. Kokesh gives his view on Rand Paul’s endorsement of Romney. Alex talks with Adma Kokesh about Rand Paul’s endorsement of Mitt Romney and the questionable past of Jesse Benton.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Looks like a globalist puppet neocon. A neocon purge is a good thing for the liberty movement. The key is not to be co-opted by neocon liberals like Bachman, Palin, Dick Armey, etc. like the Tea Party was. Let the witch hunts begin!
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
I thought Adam was busy broadcasting for Russian media when he isn't getting arrested for dancing at the Jefferson Memorial.
Like Coburn, DeMint, Rand, Mike Lee, all who endorse him? Damn, it's slick when everyone is your enemy. Why the hell do you even bother to vote?
In order to get into the mess we're in now, it's a good bet that at least 51% of politicians are turds. We should always be skeptical of their campaign claims. Elections are like a septic tank, the turds rise to the top. Looks like the 2012 presidential race will be a run off between Mitt Turd and Barry Turd. The choice is clear, none of the above. "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel." -Patrick Henry-
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Obama is nothing more than Bush 4.0. Rombama will be Bush 5.0. "...and the beat goes on..."
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
No,they are not. For example,only people have feelings,only people dream,and only people pay taxes.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Death and taxes - two certainties of life. How goes your county ordinance ordeal, petey?
I don't know. They aren't calling me,and they aren't returning my calls. I have no idea what is going on. Maybe they are just hoping I will die or go away? I have decided that as long as they continue to ignore me,I will continue to ignore them.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
I can't agree.
OK.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Rand Paul might have done some good work trying to filibuster the Patriot Act, but endorsing Mitt Romney goes beyond the pale. The NDAA is Romney’s most egregious transgression against liberty, but not far behind are his desire to start a war against Iran, to increase military spending, to start a trade war with China and his belief that corporations are people.
Keywords: Just another neocon, a war against America, You suck Rand! Traitor!
#2. To: All (#0)
Penny Freeman, Former Staffer in Tears Over Ron Paul Betrayals
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#3. To: TooConservative (#1)
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So would Ted Cruz from Texas.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#4. To: hondo68 (#2)
Alex talks with Adma Kokesh about Rand Paul’s endorsement of Mitt Romney and the questionable past of Jesse Benton.
#5. To: hondo68 (#3)
Looks like a globalist puppet neocon.
#6. To: TooConservative, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#5)
Damn, it's slick when everyone is your enemy.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#7. To: hondo68 (#0)
But Mitt Romney’s stances on these issues seem much, much, much closer to Barack Obama than they do to Ron Paul. In fact, he might as well have endorsed Obama for President.
#8. To: TooConservative (#1)
But corporations are people.
#9. To: sneakypete (#8)
#10. To: Fred Mertz (#9)
How goes your county ordinance ordeal, petey?
#11. To: sneakypete (#8)
#12. To: TooConservative (#11)
I can't agree.
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