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Title: Ok Third Partiers. WHO CAN WIN? Come on tell me.
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Published: Jun 8, 2012
Author: A K A Stone
Post Date: 2012-06-09 00:35:31 by A K A Stone
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Views: 21105
Comments: 82

Some of you people say Ron Paul is the only one you would vote for. Well if he isn't on the ballot what good will that do? Oh you're going to write him in. What an exercise in futility. There is no third party candidate to unite behind. It isn't there aint happening sadly. Face reality.

As anyone here knows I supported Ron Paul this election and last election. So don't give me no shit about my rant here. I would prefer Ron to the two clowns we have to choose from. But we really do only have these two clowns to choose from One will be President come January, like it or not or if you abstain from voting or not.

Now onto Romney. Everyone knows he has a lot of faults. But does he have more faults then Obama? Hell no it isn't even close. You would have to be a fucking retard to compare the two. So don't be retarted and tell me that that there isn't a dimes worth of difference. Because I know there is.

Take Obamas commie takeover of the healthcare system. Romney says he would repeal it. I don't think Romney always tells truth...duh. But this is something that is very much wanted by the people who voted for him. If he defeats Obama he knows that presidents can sometimes only serve one term. So expect him to deliver on that if he is sent the bill.

There are morons all over the internet. So lets start with some known ones. To the morons at freedom4um. You know the nutjob we hate jews but we pretend we only hate "zionists" website. You are now all carbon copies of each other. How pathetic. Christine and Jethro have banned everyone that doesn't hate Jews. Well almost everyone. Notice how everyone of those freedom4um toads always say the same thing.

Here let me quote some of the idiots.

#1. To: Artisan (#0)

lost my vote

Does anyone honestly believe that the global elites whose wealth and power depend on manipulation of the global chess board would leave something like the Presidency up to chance?

farmfriend posted on 2012-06-08 0:53:39 ET

Rand Paul is a douchebag.

Vote absentee. It is a paper ballot PnbC posted on 2012-06-08

So much for the theory that Rand will be the benefactor of the Freedom movement dad is building.

Jethro Tull posted on 2012-06-08

I could post more examples but you get the point. Go over there day or night and you will see articles of propaganda about Jews. Why do they hate the Jews so much? I don't know, do any of you know? It makes no sense.

These people are almost all dumb asses. Yes Jethro you are a dumb ass too. Do these people not know that the Republican nomination is over. Ron Paul isn't going to be the nominee. Get over it. They don't even know that on Ron Pauls own website he carries Rands endorsement. So if he doesn't have a problem why do these nobodies? These freaks give Ron Paul supporters a bad name. They are like a cult. Who are they supporting that is going to win. Nobody. Nobody. They aren't going to support anyone that has a chance. They are just people that are not happy no matter what.

Then on this forum too. We have people. You give me a hard time about supporting Romney. Ok fair enough. You have a right to do that, just like the idiots at 4um. But by not voting or by not voting for someone viable against Obama what have you accomplished. Nothing not a thing now squat. Oh you can brag I didn't vote. That is some bragging right. Do you fools not realize how bad Obama is. Think of the people he will put on the supreme court. Look at what he has already put on the court. He put two dykes on the court because he hates white males. Do you really think Romney could do worse? If you do you are retarded.

And you little dweeb Ferret Mike. I really don't give a shit if you know why christine banned me. So when you post it from now on I command you to post it in context. That the nitwit christine who poses in sexy lingere on the internet and runs the freedom4um website got her panties in a wad when I pointed out that most of her posters were Jew haters who would be happy with someone like Adolph hitler at the helm. So Yes you little twit ferret christine did ban me because I posted a thread asking if it would be better if all the jews were killed. You value free speech so much little Mike why don't you talk about that. Dumb ass. Afterall christine does tolerate some sick mother fucker who goes by the name esso. I call him esso the sicko. Here is an example of the people that these twits at freedom4um like posting at their little Jew hate site.

"The next slogan could easily be "6 Million More"

No. Should be 18 million more. Time to answer the jewish question once and for all. " posted by this esso the sicko here is the link. Christine deleted it because it exposed her as a nazi type person.

freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=105917

No problemo I have a copy of part of it here

libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5000

So you dumb ass little rat quote it in context from now on or I will delete it and or you.

Also Mike. I believe in God. You don't. This is a website run by someone who does. So if you want to come here and screw with me posting your little images ridiculing christ. You will be gone. Ok weirdo. No I don't want an answer this is my rant. I said I don't want to hear your opinion or debate you on it. So just note in in your pea little brain.

Rant off/

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#31. To: A K A Stone (#0)

There is no third party candidate to unite behind.

Some will pick Virgil Goode (Tea Party, Constitution Party types). Gary Johnson shares enough positions with Ron Paul folk to attract many of their votes. These people are in politics for their principles. They want to win but they don't compromise.

Who are they supporting that is going to win. Nobody. Nobody. They aren't going to support anyone that has a chance.

But they can feel wise later. I know of people like Lew Rockwell that refuse even to vote at all. Some people feel very smug about it, like withholding their vote is driving The System nuts or something.

In the end, they still own their vote, even if it does drive you nuts. They prove pretty invulnerable to the "A vote for Candidate X is hopeless and therefore you are actually voting for Candidate Y". Well, it is obviously false to any adult. Your vote can only tally to the candidate listed on the ballot, no one else. Clever arguments don't change that. But these folks do get some gratification from a rant like yours. They feel all warm and fuzzy, "Gee, we really got 'em going now!". Or something. So you are actually rewarding and reinforcing their behavior, it seems.

Even so, you're swimming in a very small pond with this argument. I doubt you can even name more than 30 people at the forums you're mentioning. Let's be generous and say it's 100. Of those, it is almost certain that 12 or fewer in the entire bunch actually live and will vote in one of the 8 identified battleground states in 2012. Of those 12 I'm positing, half will vote for the GOP nominee, mostly as a rejection of Obama (because they're a gunowner or they hate his social liberalism or they oppose gay marriage or whatever). Even if they deny it now, at the last minute, they'll decide not to throw their vote away on a 1 Percenter third party candidate, even if they actually do like him (both Goode and Johnson do have some decent policy points and a good enough record; both are much better than Bob Barr was as the 2008 LP candidate or Chuck Baldwin was as the 2008 CP candidate).

So posting big rants to try to convince less than six people out of a wild assortment of counter-cultural types really is an exercise in herding cats. A small handful of cats.

I hope I'm not spoiling your election season by pointing this out.

Rant off/

You were on a good roll though. I thought you ably defended yourself against some out-of-context quoting.

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-06-09   22:07:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: TooConservative (#31)

I hope I'm not spoiling your election season by pointing this out.

You're not spoiling anything. I enjoy reading your posts.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-06-10   7:42:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#33)

You're not spoiling anything.

Just don't knock yourself out over a half-dozen votes, that's what I'm sayin'.

And people do own their vote. If you ever hope to persuade them, don't ever even hint that their vote for A is actually a vote for B. Loses every time. In addition, if someone else is giving them a hard time about your-vote-for-X-is-a-vote-for-Obama, you get instant cred by defending that they, and no one else owns their vote and that their vote can only be cast for the person they vote for, not someone else.

You may have noticed I posted that I'm in a total Red state, historically one of the five most Republican, right up there with Utah. And so I do tell people they are perfectly free to throw their vote away (vote their principles) if they are in such a Red state or such a Blue state (like NY or CT) that a vote for the somewhat undesirable GOP nominee wouldn't mean anything anyway because their vote will be taken from them by their fellow-voters and given to either the Dem or the GOP. And a lot of us live in these states that are very Red or very Blue.

But if they live in an actual swing state, like 2012's 8 battlegrounds, then they might want to consider just what the Court will look like if they just let Obama stay in the WH, whether they might later regret their "principles" over the next thirty years when an Obama-appointed majority on the Supreme Court steadily destroys everything they ever believed in. Will they regret it when Obama appoints one or two more justices to re-enact the horrors of the Warren Court? You get the idea.

I find this works much better. If they're in a hopelessly Blue or Red state, they don't matter anyway (and you've avoided picking fights with 3/4 of the people you're trying to influence). But almost everyone is familiar with a situation where they did something that was all "principled" and turned out to just be shooting themselves in the foot (even though they really hate to ever admit to anyone). This kind of reminder can flip votes at the last minute in the voting booth when they stare at that ballot.

Anyway, that's my experience in how to move a few votes in crucial states toward making a difference in the elections. But don't get your blood pressure up too much over it. Democracy is never tidy. And the voters are crazy. Seriously crazy.

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-06-10   10:17:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: TooConservative (#34)

I live in Ohio as I'm pretty sure you are aware of.

I'll vote for Romney and hope for the best. My hopes aren't up for a dramatic turnaround. I do expect his to have a few positive effects though. Just him being elected will help the economy even if it is only temporarily.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-06-10   10:48:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: A K A Stone (#36)

I live in Ohio as I'm pretty sure you are aware of.

Nope. But obviously, you are one of the people I would tell to think hard before casting a "principled" third-party vote. If Obama wins Ohio, history says he gets 4 more years to destroy this country and possibly a chance to remake the Court for decades to come.

If you lived in UT or WY or NY or CA, I wouldn't waste the keystrokes.

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-06-10   13:51:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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