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Title: Here listen christines point of view.
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=146916&Disp=63#C63
Published: Jun 8, 2012
Author: christine
Post Date: 2012-06-08 18:54:00 by A K A Stone
Keywords: None
Views: 35859
Comments: 76

good posts, both of you. you make some very astute points. there's one point that i think you're missing here and, that is, that many of us are disappointed again in what we see as a lack of honesty here not that we expected Ron Paul to be our saviour. i think all of us on 4um are more realistic than that. this is a repeat of 2008 when Ron Paul pulled out just before the Texas primary. we were led to believe that he had a delegate strategy. now with this, he's pulled the rug out from under all those who worked to become delegates and who planned to cast a vote for him at the convention. he pulled up short again and i am certain that that it was not a sudden decision.

imo, he and Rand both owe his many, many supporters an immediate explanation.

and one more thing...how is it after all the criticism of Romney heretofore can the Pauls suddenly do a 180 and endorse him (assuming Ron plans to also)? that to me is an abandonment of his principles.

christine posted on 2012-06-08


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#17. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Total lightweight airhead.

Stone, are you fucking serious? I would side ANYDAY with christine based on her known values and principles. She is absolutely correct. You are a dismal pain in the ass chit chat channel manager that falls off of roofs.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-08   22:39:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: buckeroo (#17)

"Stone, are you fucking serious? I would side ANYDAY with christine based on her known values and principles. She is absolutely correct. You are a dismal pain in the ass chit chat channel manager that falls off of roofs."

I agree Buck... even about the part about being a human lawn dart is no boast; be it from a tree or a roof. ;-D

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-06-08   22:43:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Ferret Mike, A K A Stone (#18)

Stone is well known to fall off of roofs pretending to be a contractor. As a result he carries his delusional stat-of-mind to the forum.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-08   22:49:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: buckeroo (#20) (Edited)

"Stone is well known to fall off of roofs pretending to be a contractor. As a result he carries his delusional stat-of-mind to the forum."

Yeah, he did say he only hires lops who agree with him politically. Or at least say they do to get the under the table work. I'm sure that after a day on a job site with him many of them go home and tell the wife, "The things I do to make money."

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-06-08   22:56:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Ferret Mike (#23)

Why does Stone have his nose up christine's ass in the first place? Why is importing a comment, posting it and playing .... AND HE TOOK HOURS TO READ THE STUFF to begin with.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-08   23:19:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: buckeroo (#24)

#59. To: A K A Stone (#0)

don't think that i don't realize what your intention was in starting this thread.

1. to bait without desire of temperate discussion.

2. an attempt to get posters to your forum.

3. to incite conflict between forums.

if it weren't for the fact that there are good comments by posters here, i would delete the thread.

christine posted on 2011-07-12 21:41:09 ET [Locked] Trace Private Reply

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=135605&Disp=59#C59

Stone hates it because a smart woman who can dispassionately cut to the chase in an articulate way few forum owners can match rhetorically cleaned his clock.

She summed up Stone oh so well in this reality check he was asking for. I remember when I first read it; I laughed so hard I ached. He is an idiot.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-06-09   9:47:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Ferret Mike (#32)

Keep in mind, that christine is "passionate" as you say. Sometimes she can be rash and a wee bit irritable as well.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-09   11:38:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: buckeroo (#34)

"Keep in mind, that christine is "passionate" as you say. Sometimes she can be rash and a wee bit irritable as well."

Well, neither you or I am any more perfect than the next human being, so that is a given.

But in that case, she handled Stone's gambit to do what he wanted to do with that vanity thread. That is my point.

And I want Stone to rebut this directly which is a purpose to my post. I certainly don't tweak his beak any worse then he has done himself.

He can rebut the post, too and I will listen to and respond to his feedback.

But he can't 'command' me to do anything as he explicitly tried to do in a recent vanity thread header. That merely amuses me,

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-06-09   11:56:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Ferret Mike (#38)

Stone continuously went to 4um for no other reason but to TROLL some archaic BS about elevating Jews to a pristine platform of never-ending-love&respect.

Stone, often goes off on a tangent (particularly when he falls off of roof-tops) and hits his head.

The Jews are no more to be trusted than a crook in a federal penitentiary.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-09   12:10:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: buckeroo (#40) (Edited)

I read Leon Iris as a boy and used to be enamored with Israel too. But in the activism I did in the 1980s against South African Apartheid I became aware of the Israel and SA connection which led me to do a closer look at what Zionism is, and why it resonated so well with what I hated about South Africa under the Nationalist Party Apartheid government.

I strongly oppose Zionism. But I refuse to engage in blanket bigotry of an entire religion because of that.

I just want it clear where I stand; it is against a bad philosophy and policy, not an entire people.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-06-09   12:19:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Ferret Mike (#41)

But I refuse to engage in blanket bigotry of an entire religion because of that.

Oh BS, the Jews started off as goat herders in the desert. And then Abraham screwed his wife (both were about 100 years old) and had a baby.

Do you believe that crap? They lied from the beginning of time.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-09   12:29:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: buckeroo (#42)

I don't hate Christians or Mormons in spite of the fact they are human beings with flaws and graces to them. And I respect their right to believe and worship as they chose.

So how can I draw an arbitrary line and have a different opinion on Judaism? I deal with others as feel appropriate to how I find them to be as individuals.

I don't like scapegoating people just assuming they are guilty of the crimes of others. Unless I get to know them and find out they are deserving of my distain and opposition in what they do if it is wrong, I don't give that to them.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-06-09   12:40:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Ferret Mike (#43)

Whats all your gobble-DE-goop got to to do with my post? Abraham and his wife Sarah LIED out their teeth about having a baby. The Jews have lied ever since to include their so-called "ancient" texts called the Old Testament that are continuously updated; some even were released into the publick domain AFTER the New Testament.

They are all a pack of liars. Just like governments and politicians.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-09   12:46:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: buckeroo (#44) (Edited)

Abraham and his wife Sarah LIED out their teeth about having a baby. The Jews have lied ever since to include their so-called "ancient" texts called the Old Testament that are continuously updated; some even were released into the publick domain AFTER the New Testament.

So what IS the "truth," Buck?

What source of history and texts ARE to be believed? How do you know (for fact) that Sarah and Abraham are "liars"?

Planet Earth has changed, along with it's geography, biology, flora, fauna, magnetic fields, gravity, and life spans.

Did you know none of the Bible's prophecies and historical accounts of people, places, and events can be refuted? (except you're going to cite your sources that do, arencha??) THAT is one CT that somehow has somehow survived 5,000 years - along with several civilizations' account of The Flood.

They are all a pack of liars. Just like governments and politicians.

ALL people are by nature, "liars". Succumbing to corruption are especially those among those who've wielded power. But by the same token, some good men have endured, and along with it, some truth has been preserved for posterity.

In the context of human history and "civilization", whom do you consider "honest" people?

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-10   19:08:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Liberator (#58)

So what IS the "truth," Buck?

What do you want it to be?

What source of history and texts ARE to be believed? How do you know (for fact) that Sarah and Abraham are "liars"?

They were mere mortal human beings, correct? If not, then the myth is worthless as [then] they were superhumans, therefore. However, since they were humans, there is no way on this planet that Sarah could have conceived a child at 90+ years of age. The act of having the child would have killed her and the child.

And we know they were humans because the myth lays the foundations for the Jewish People and that THEY have the blood of Abraham and Sarah.

Planet Earth has changed, along with it's geography, biology, flora, fauna, magnetic fields, gravity, and life spans.

Yeah, and humans haven't changed a bit.

Did you know none of the Bible's prophecies and historical accounts of people, places, and events can be refuted? (except you're going to cite your sources that do, arencha??) THAT is one CT that somehow has somehow survived 5,000 years - along with several civilizations' account of The Flood.

So, let's start with the Garden of Eden. Eve came from a rib of Adam, correct?

ALL people are by nature, "liars". Succumbing to corruption are especially those among those who've wielded power. But by the same token, some good men have endured, and along with it, some truth has been preserved for posterity.

That is a FACT. Man is a deceitful creature and to believe in men that profess some sort of religion is like buying a lemon from a used car salesman and hoping that this one will work but it never does.

In the context of human history and "civilization", whom do you consider "honest" people?

Excellent question. I shall be very simple and to the point. "Honest" people understand a sense of "shame." Strange, that there are so few of them walking the planet, isn't it?

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-10   19:46:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: buckeroo (#63) (Edited)

Let's start with the Garden of Eden. Eve came from a rib of Adam, correct?

Yep.

(Note that it's NOT from the "rib" of an ameoba.)

Yeah, and humans haven't changed a bit.

Physically, yes; Age-wise, yes. His soul? NO. Since Adam man has fought his selfish, narcissistic, sinful nature.

What do you want it [the truth] to be?

NOT "relative".

Your problem (and you're hardly alone in this respect) is that since you presume man is a "Liar," ALL of man's works are a "Lie". That corollary isn't necessarily iron-clad, is it? SOME men as you readily admit recognize "shame," and thus "honor" - wouldn't you agree?

Btw, IF you'd like to provide THE sources of man's historical accounts I'll be happy to review and critique them. For now (and forever), the sole irrefutable source of actual historical accounts of people, places, and events over the course of thousand of years remains....The Bible.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-10   19:57:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Liberator (#65)

Btw, IF you'd like to provide THE sources of man's historical accounts I'll be happy to review and critique them. For now (and forever), the sole irrefutable source of actual historical accounts of people, places, and events over the course of thousand of years remains....The Bible.

You are very kind for the offer. But, unfortunately I do not follow a religion at all; the closest you could say I am ... is a deist as the world around us can not be explained by myth as found in either pseudo-science or religion. It can't be found in real science, either.

Our respective beings and the universe around us can not be understood with the tools that we have or have had. The truth is, the more we learn about ourselves and the universe around us, the less we know; it is dichotomous enigma that can never be solved. For those going to church on Sunday to learn about the "good word" it is nothing more than a practice of self-illusion.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-10   20:22:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: buckeroo (#69) (Edited)

"...unfortunately I do not follow a religion at all; the closest you could say I am ... is a deist as the world around us can not be explained by myth as found in either pseudo-science or religion. It can't be found in real science, either."

Science is a mighty cold comfort in this world of sadness, misery, suffering, grief and death....where do you turn to for comfort? Where does your loved ones turn to in their time of sorrow and need?

I know this, the last thought on your mind, or the last words on your lips just before you take your last breath..will be, "OH GOD",...and 'religion' won't have a thing to do with your personal relationship you could have had with HIM! JMHO!

Murron  posted on  2012-06-10   21:18:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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