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Title: Here listen christines point of view.
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=146916&Disp=63#C63
Published: Jun 8, 2012
Author: christine
Post Date: 2012-06-08 18:54:00 by A K A Stone
Keywords: None
Views: 37644
Comments: 76

good posts, both of you. you make some very astute points. there's one point that i think you're missing here and, that is, that many of us are disappointed again in what we see as a lack of honesty here not that we expected Ron Paul to be our saviour. i think all of us on 4um are more realistic than that. this is a repeat of 2008 when Ron Paul pulled out just before the Texas primary. we were led to believe that he had a delegate strategy. now with this, he's pulled the rug out from under all those who worked to become delegates and who planned to cast a vote for him at the convention. he pulled up short again and i am certain that that it was not a sudden decision.

imo, he and Rand both owe his many, many supporters an immediate explanation.

and one more thing...how is it after all the criticism of Romney heretofore can the Pauls suddenly do a 180 and endorse him (assuming Ron plans to also)? that to me is an abandonment of his principles.

christine posted on 2012-06-08


Poster Comment: Total lightweight airhead.

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#15. To: hondo68 (#13)

#77. To:Infowarrior (#75)

Bingo.... you nailed it.

Doesnt take much. Talking to these two defective minds is alot like sandblasting a soup cracker.

rf396 posted on 2012-06-08 22:15:04 ET Reply Trace


This is the funniest guy I've ever seen.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2012-06-08   22:21:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Fred Mertz (#15)
(Edited)

Heh, good ones. Here is the kind of witless twiticisms one can often expect from Stone:

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-06-08   22:39:03 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Total lightweight airhead.

Stone, are you fucking serious? I would side ANYDAY with christine based on her known values and principles. She is absolutely correct. You are a dismal pain in the ass chit chat channel manager that falls off of roofs.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-08   22:39:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: buckeroo (#17)

"Stone, are you fucking serious? I would side ANYDAY with christine based on her known values and principles. She is absolutely correct. You are a dismal pain in the ass chit chat channel manager that falls off of roofs."

I agree Buck... even about the part about being a human lawn dart is no boast; be it from a tree or a roof. ;-D

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-06-08   22:43:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Ferret Mike (#16)

He's dying, but he is so funny.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2012-06-08   22:43:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Ferret Mike, A K A Stone (#18)

Stone is well known to fall off of roofs pretending to be a contractor. As a result he carries his delusional stat-of-mind to the forum.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-08   22:49:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Fred Mertz (#19)

Sorry to hear his health is bad, I wish him the best in living far longer then he thinks he might.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-06-08   22:51:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: TooConservative (#8)

I won't quote anything from you. But you know what is going on.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-06-08   22:53:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: buckeroo (#20) (Edited)

"Stone is well known to fall off of roofs pretending to be a contractor. As a result he carries his delusional stat-of-mind to the forum."

Yeah, he did say he only hires lops who agree with him politically. Or at least say they do to get the under the table work. I'm sure that after a day on a job site with him many of them go home and tell the wife, "The things I do to make money."

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-06-08   22:56:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Ferret Mike (#23)

Why does Stone have his nose up christine's ass in the first place? Why is importing a comment, posting it and playing .... AND HE TOOK HOURS TO READ THE STUFF to begin with.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-08   23:19:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: buckeroo (#20) (Edited)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-06-08   23:27:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: buckeroo (#24) (Edited)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-06-09   0:41:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: buckeroo (#24)

Why does Stone have his nose up christine's ass in the first place?

She is a good example of a moron.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-06-09   0:52:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone, Murron (#4)

If you have a rational explanation for his betrayal of those who trusted him, and why his son, Rand, would compromise his principles, lets hear it. Thanks! The race is over. Only the delusional think Ron Paul can still win. He doesn't have the numbers.

It's not about winning,it's about contradicting everything you have said you stood for in order to support the party machine. I can't speak for anyone else,but *I* sure didn't expect either Paul to turn around and start supporting Rombama.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-06-09   1:13:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Fred Mertz (#9)

Romney isn't perfect or even close, but he has more in common with us then Obama ever will. He's white and kind of a Christian?

Obama is kinda white and kinda religious. He worships himself.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-06-09   1:16:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: sneakypete (#28)

I didn't expect me to be supporting Romney either.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-06-09   1:16:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Ferret Mike (#14)

I have been supporting Dr. Paul and will be writing him in in November.

Same here.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-06-09   1:18:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: buckeroo (#24)

#59. To: A K A Stone (#0)

don't think that i don't realize what your intention was in starting this thread.

1. to bait without desire of temperate discussion.

2. an attempt to get posters to your forum.

3. to incite conflict between forums.

if it weren't for the fact that there are good comments by posters here, i would delete the thread.

christine posted on 2011-07-12 21:41:09 ET [Locked] Trace Private Reply

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=135605&Disp=59#C59

Stone hates it because a smart woman who can dispassionately cut to the chase in an articulate way few forum owners can match rhetorically cleaned his clock.

She summed up Stone oh so well in this reality check he was asking for. I remember when I first read it; I laughed so hard I ached. He is an idiot.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-06-09   9:47:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone, Ferret Mike, sneakypete (#30)

Any of you in a swing state where it will matter at all?

I can vote for Captain Crunch and my "vote" still goes to the Republican because he'd lose Utah if he lost my state.

As for "sending a message" with a write-in vote, you should understand that those are never reported unless the guy you're writing in has filed paperwork. Many states forbid any recording or reporting of write-ins.

However, you shouldn't leave blanks on the ballot either. Dishonest election workers could fill in their preference over your blank vote as long as they leave a few blanks in there so that the election reporting doesn't reveal they are stealing votes from those who don't vote a particular office on the ballot.

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-06-09   11:29:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Ferret Mike (#32)

Keep in mind, that christine is "passionate" as you say. Sometimes she can be rash and a wee bit irritable as well.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-09   11:38:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: TooConservative (#33)

Actually, no. Oregon has not been a swing state since 2004 during the Kerry/Bush race.

This time I am going to do grass roots work for Congressman Peter DeFazio who has a nut ball of an opponent to deal with. That is how I deal with a frustrating presidential race, I move to what level i can stay involved in the process and effect the good i want to.

After all, I am a political animal and need to exercise my political efficacy.

In 2004 the Republicans paid to try to get Nader into the race in Oregon by instigating an initiative petition to get him on the ballot.

I was working as a custodian in a building owned by Portland Saturday Market as part of my duties doing set-up, tear down, and other support functions for the market that runs on the weekend most of the year.

I found proof of fraud by watching their workers, and because I had access to their garbage which the SCOTUS ruled is public domain once it enters the trash flow.

I spoke as the whistle blower at the press conference at the SEIU Union HQ during the announcement of an investigation into this. And it resulted in Nader being kept off the ballot, and of course Kerry carried oregon in November.

So that is an instance in which I had a direct impact locally in a national race.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-06-09   11:49:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: TooConservative (#33)

Any of you in a swing state where it will matter at all?

I'm not even interested enough to know this cycle. I know I was prepared to vote for Obama the last time if it looked like McLunatic would win here,but thankfully that didn't happen.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-06-09   11:51:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Ferret Mike (#14)

I have been supporting Dr. Paul and will be writing him in in November.

Those Barry Sortero knee pads you're wearing say otherwise.

Thunderbird  posted on  2012-06-09   11:52:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: buckeroo (#34)

"Keep in mind, that christine is "passionate" as you say. Sometimes she can be rash and a wee bit irritable as well."

Well, neither you or I am any more perfect than the next human being, so that is a given.

But in that case, she handled Stone's gambit to do what he wanted to do with that vanity thread. That is my point.

And I want Stone to rebut this directly which is a purpose to my post. I certainly don't tweak his beak any worse then he has done himself.

He can rebut the post, too and I will listen to and respond to his feedback.

But he can't 'command' me to do anything as he explicitly tried to do in a recent vanity thread header. That merely amuses me,

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-06-09   11:56:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Thunderbird (#37) (Edited)

Your post is pointless and foolish. I belong to the Pacific Green party and have already been banned once from Democratic Underground once this election season for being too open about my support of Dr. Paul.

Bait your hook all you want, but it has no effect on me, Badlie.

The reason they have two presidential races in eight years instead of one is to give people a chance to rate how well someone is doing.

Whom I voted for last time is not in play for me this time around.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-06-09   12:01:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Ferret Mike (#38)

Stone continuously went to 4um for no other reason but to TROLL some archaic BS about elevating Jews to a pristine platform of never-ending-love&respect.

Stone, often goes off on a tangent (particularly when he falls off of roof-tops) and hits his head.

The Jews are no more to be trusted than a crook in a federal penitentiary.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-09   12:10:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: buckeroo (#40) (Edited)

I read Leon Iris as a boy and used to be enamored with Israel too. But in the activism I did in the 1980s against South African Apartheid I became aware of the Israel and SA connection which led me to do a closer look at what Zionism is, and why it resonated so well with what I hated about South Africa under the Nationalist Party Apartheid government.

I strongly oppose Zionism. But I refuse to engage in blanket bigotry of an entire religion because of that.

I just want it clear where I stand; it is against a bad philosophy and policy, not an entire people.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-06-09   12:19:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Ferret Mike (#41)

But I refuse to engage in blanket bigotry of an entire religion because of that.

Oh BS, the Jews started off as goat herders in the desert. And then Abraham screwed his wife (both were about 100 years old) and had a baby.

Do you believe that crap? They lied from the beginning of time.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-09   12:29:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: buckeroo (#42)

I don't hate Christians or Mormons in spite of the fact they are human beings with flaws and graces to them. And I respect their right to believe and worship as they chose.

So how can I draw an arbitrary line and have a different opinion on Judaism? I deal with others as feel appropriate to how I find them to be as individuals.

I don't like scapegoating people just assuming they are guilty of the crimes of others. Unless I get to know them and find out they are deserving of my distain and opposition in what they do if it is wrong, I don't give that to them.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-06-09   12:40:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Ferret Mike (#43)

Whats all your gobble-DE-goop got to to do with my post? Abraham and his wife Sarah LIED out their teeth about having a baby. The Jews have lied ever since to include their so-called "ancient" texts called the Old Testament that are continuously updated; some even were released into the publick domain AFTER the New Testament.

They are all a pack of liars. Just like governments and politicians.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-09   12:46:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: All (#44)

You are so involved with becoming a domesticated servant of whom ever overlords your information, that you can't see the BS that has been perpetrated upon you since the beginning of your existence.

Meanwhile, the powers that be control your bucks and direction of governance.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-09   13:12:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Ferret Mike (#35)

That is how I deal with a frustrating presidential race, I move to what level i can stay involved in the process and effect the good i want to.

I've done that for years.

I spoke as the whistle blower at the press conference at the SEIU Union HQ during the announcement of an investigation into this. And it resulted in Nader being kept off the ballot, and of course Kerry carried oregon in November.

So you were pro-Kerry? Ewwwwwww...

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-06-09   13:27:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: A K A Stone (#4)

Romney isn't perfect or even close, but he has more in common with us then Obama ever will.

Like what?

some text

"If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave." Samuel Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772

We The People  posted on  2012-06-10   12:26:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Fred Mertz (#12)

This guy, rf396, is one of the best posters ever.

He always cracks me up.

rf396 to the gay canary; you cant control your own god damn bowels let alone control ANYONE here you little turd. You OBVIOUSLY cant control your own PC mister "I WUZ HACKED" Lying pos govt dis info Potsie you. AND...once again HERE you are ALL OVER the board NIGHT, DAY, and in between what do you do S**T right there in your chair so you dont miss anything?

Ditto! LMAO!

some text

"If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave." Samuel Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772

We The People  posted on  2012-06-10   12:36:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: A K A Stone (#0)

I changed this one too. Shame on you.

Moderator X  posted on  2012-06-10   13:06:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: We The People, rf396 (#48)

rf396 to the gay canary:

"You cant control your own god damn bowels let alone control ANYONE here you little turd. You OBVIOUSLY cant control your own PC mister "I WUZ HACKED" Lying pos govt dis info Potsie you. AND...once again HERE you are ALL OVER the board NIGHT, DAY, and in between what do you do S**T right there in your chair so you dont miss anything?

Ditto! LMAO!

Ditto-ville L-M-A-O!!!

Sooooo d*mn funny!!

(Does this mean Mommy Dearest will ban rf396 then scrub the hilarious beatdown?) ??)

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-10   18:25:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Liberator (#50)

Hey man, I just took you off my bozo filter. I'm getting mellower as I get older.

Give peace a chance....Peace.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2012-06-10   18:38:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Liberator (#50)

rf396 is one of my faves on elPee. He's a grouchy old cuss and I love him, but not in a gay canary kind of way.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2012-06-10   18:39:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: We The People (#47)

(Romney isn't perfect or even close, but he has more in common with us then Obama ever will.)

Like what?

Consider the following:

Romney's NOT a Commie, Queer, uber-Fascist, Black Separatist, Muslim, America-hater, racist-Whitey hater, a Kenyan, Community Organizer, a narcissistic satanist, a dog-eater, Biggest Liar and Phony on the Planet, have a phantom past, or totally insane...LIKE 0buma.

MOREOVER, Romney has an actual birth cert, has actual business/payroll/employee experience, possesses less than 50 SS numbers, and can't be accused of having admitted the single solitary goal of totally FUBARing the USA as we know it.

This coerced selection is easy. The Kenyan make Romney look like a Boy Scout, George Washington, and Moses all rolled up in one.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-10   18:43:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Fred Mertz, rf396 (#52) (Edited)

rf396 is one of my faves on elPee. He's a grouchy old cuss and I love him, but not in a gay canary kind of way.

I hear ya regarding Rf396...

He's a bright guy, an honest man, a good man, has a tremendous sense of humor, and possesses great courage. AND he inspires me - We can all learn from him. God bless and comfort him.

What makes him grouchy is the constant stupidity, pettiness, cowardice, and grief he endures from the Mall Kop and the gay gutless canary. BUT he gives it back to them in spades.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-10   18:50:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Fred Mertz (#51)

Give peace a chance....Peace.

Yeah, let's give it a go.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-10   18:52:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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