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Title: RENDERING UNTO CAESAR EXPLAINED!!!
Source: Call to Decision
URL Source: http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5098902403335833865&hl=en-CA
Published: Dec 8, 2006
Author: Pastor Butch
Post Date: 2006-12-08 18:48:37 by A K A Stone
Keywords: None
Views: 18193
Comments: 34

Pastor Butch Sermon on Rendering Unto Caesar.


Poster Comment:

Pastor Butch says that if there is not conflict between civil government and the church. Then either the church and the civil authority is good or that both are corrupt. Or he said something similar to that. It makes a lot of sense.

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#2. To: A K A Stone (#0)

'Pastors' who opine on political matters are to be discarded.

False shephards.

Biff Tannen  posted on  2006-12-08   19:12:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Biff Tannen (#2)

Jesus opined on it when he said render unto caesar

If you get a chance watch the video and let us know what you think.

Also have you ever listened to pastor butches radio show. He seems to me like the real deal.

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-12-08   20:07:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: A K A Stone (#3)

I'm on dial-up till Monday.

Biff Tannen  posted on  2006-12-08   21:29:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Biff Tannen (#4)

Got ya.

Here is his site. You can see where he is coming from from the articles there. He also has a daily radio show.

http://www.calltodecision.com

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-12-08   22:16:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A K A Stone (#5)

Here is his site. You can see where he is coming from from the articles there.

Actually I don't have to look further than this: Pastor Butch Accepts Nomination For Constitution Party Candidate For Governor Of West Virginia 2008!

He's not a pastor. God calls pastors to shephard his 'flock' in spiritual matters and this guy is right into politics.

Remember at the end of Jesus life where the crowd had to choose between Barabbas and Jesus. Barabbas was in jail for political activism (violent activism if I recall). He was trying to change the world into what it ought to be through the political system.

Jesus had a different way to change the world and the people had to choose between the two ways. It's no different today. Pastors who are trying to better the world through politics have chosen the path of Barabbas because they reject Jesus' path.

False pastor.

Biff Tannen  posted on  2006-12-09   9:25:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Biff Tannen (#8)

God calls pastors to shephard his 'flock' in spiritual matters and this guy is right into politics.

Spoken like a true shill for IRS and statist gov't.

Jesus had much to say against the local gov't, once you understand how things were run in Palestine at that time.

The Romans had a wise 'hands-off' approach to local rule. The Pharisees and Saducees were the local gov't as well as the synagogue leadership (religious leaders). The Romans did not get involved in petty criminal and civil suits. They only presided over capital crimes.

Jesus called the ruling class of Jews "vipers", "of the devil", "whited sepulchres". Our IRS muzzled "churches" of today wouldn't dare think of calling the local school board or county council.

It is proper to denounce any gov't at any level once that gov't oversteps its Biblical bounds. Jesus did because the gov't of the Pharisees and Sadducess was illigitimate and ungodly. Their worldly form of gov't oppressed the saints and the good people of that day with statism and legalism.

We cannot be the salt of the earth if we are religiously (phony religion) barred from participating in society.

cwrwinger  posted on  2006-12-09   10:33:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: cwrwinger (#9)

We cannot be the salt of the earth if we are religiously (phony religion) barred from participating in society.

I never said Christians were barred from participating in society, or running for political office.

Biff Tannen  posted on  2006-12-10   16:26:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Biff Tannen (#10)

So a christian can run for office but a pastor cannot or should not. Is that your position?

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-12-10   16:40:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A K A Stone (#12)

So a christian can run for office but a pastor cannot or should not. Is that your position?

Yes.

Biff Tannen  posted on  2006-12-10   17:16:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Biff Tannen (#14)

I can see where you are coming from. I'm not sure if I totally agree. Afterall as far as I know pastor Butch never killed anyone. He could be a supporter of insurrection though. So the Romans had barrabas up on charges for murder etc.

Does that mean that a pastor can never run for office? I'm not sure about that.

I can see where people of God such as pastors should put God first, afterall Gods kingdom is not of this world.

Now it could be that you are right. Does that make pastor Butch a bad pastor or just wrong on one issue. Well i'm not sure. I know this that when I listen to him I agree with the things he teaches and he seems genuine. Of course I could be judging his character incorrectly. Afterall I voted for Bush in 2000.

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-12-10   17:40:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#16. To: A K A Stone (#15)

Barabbas was trying to change the world, make it a better place, through the power of the state.

This is what pastor Butch is doing.

A pastor should know better. And a pastor has other things God has called him to do instead of embroiling himself in the pig pen that is political office.

Biff Tannen  posted on  2006-12-10 18:00:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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