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Title: HEADQUARTERS GRAND ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC General Orders No.11, WASHINGTON, D.C., May 5, 1868
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.usmemorialday.org/order11.html
Published: May 26, 2012
Author: General John Logan, national commander o
Post Date: 2012-05-26 02:00:24 by Mad Dog
Keywords: ALL, of, them
Views: 64926
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HEADQUARTERS GRAND ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC

General Orders No.11, WASHINGTON, D.C., May 5, 1868

The 30th day of May, 1868, is designated for the purpose of strewing with flowers or otherwise decorating the graves of comrades who died in defense of their country during the late rebellion, and whose bodies now lie in almost every city, village, and hamlet church-yard in the land. In this observance no form of ceremony is prescribed, but posts and comrades will in their own way arrange such fitting services and testimonials of respect as circumstances may permit.

We are organized, comrades, as our regulations tell us, for the purpose among other things, "of preserving and strengthening those kind and fraternal feelings which have bound together the soldiers, sailors, and marines who united to suppress the late rebellion."

What can aid more to assure this result than cherishing tenderly the memory of our heroic dead, who made their breasts a barricade between our country and its foes?

Their soldier lives were the reveille of freedom to a race in chains, and their deaths the tattoo of rebellious tyranny in arms.

We should guard their graves with sacred vigilance.

All that the consecrated wealth and taste of the nation can add to their adornment and security is but a fitting tribute to the memory of her slain defenders.

Let no wanton foot tread rudely on such hallowed grounds.

Let pleasant paths invite the coming and going of reverent visitors and fond mourners.

Let no vandalism of avarice or neglect, no ravages of time testify to the present or to the coming generations that we have forgotten as a people the cost of a free and undivided republic.

If other eyes grow dull, other hands slack, and other hearts cold in the solemn trust, ours shall keep it well as long as the light and warmth of life remain to us.

Let us, then, at the time appointed gather around their sacred remains and garland the passionless mounds above them with the choicest flowers of spring-time; let us raise above them the dear old flag they saved from hishonor; let us in this solemn presence renew our pledges to aid and assist those whom they have left among us a sacred charge upon a nation's gratitude, the soldier's and sailor's widow and orphan.

It is the purpose of the Commander-in-Chief to inaugurate this observance with the hope that it will be kept up from year to year, while a survivor of the war remains to honor the memory of his departed comrades.

He earnestly desires the public press to lend its friendly aid in bringing to the notice of comrades in all parts of the country in time for simultaneous compliance therewith.

Department commanders will use efforts to make this order effective.

By order of

JOHN A. LOGAN, Commander-in-Chief

N.P. CHIPMAN, Adjutant General

Official: WM. T. COLLINS, A.A.G.

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#6. To: Mad Dog (#5)

House Bill HR. 4133. www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr4133

Senate Bill: S. 2165 www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s2165

The U.S.-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act of 2012 is now under review by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. …

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#1. To: Peo111 (#0)

If we survive, the Archives will be full of the following.

Replace the Leading Characters/Nations with Today's USSA/Israel fools....;}

World War I, German Dispatches and the Kaiser's Notes www.gwpda.org/1914/wilnotes.htmlCached You +1'd this publicly. Undo Apr 7, 1996 – DISPATCHES ANNOTATIONS BY THE KAISER. VIENNA, June 30, 1914. Dispatch from the Ger- man Ambassador at Vienna. (German ...

World War I, German Dispatches and the Kaiser's Notes net.lib.byu.edu/~rdh7/wwi/1914/wilnotes.htmlCached You +1'd this publicly. Undo Apr 7, 1996 – DISPATCHES ANNOTATIONS BY THE KAISER. VIENNA, June 30, 1914. Dispatch from the Ger- man Ambassador at Vienna. (German ...

REPROVES GERMAN AGITATORS.; Kaiser's Ambassador to ... query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res... You +1'd this publicly. Undo ... says the Vienna correspondent of The Times. In speaking at the German colony s banquet in celebration of the Kaiser's birthday, the Ambassador tendered ...

First World War.com - Primary Documents - Kaiser Wilhelm on ... www.firstworldwar.com/sou...kaiserscomments.htmCached - Similar You +1'd this publicly. Undo Kaiser Wilhelm II and sons Reproduced below are a series of telegrams sent by Baron Tschirschky - German ambassador in Vienna - to the German Kaiser, ...

Trenches on the Web - Timeline: Jul-1914: The July Crisis www.worldwar1.com/tlplot.htmCached - Similar You +1'd this publicly. Undo Jan 15, 2000 – German Ambassador to Vienna, Count Heinrich von Tschirschky, warns ... The twenty day cruise had been planned for months and the Kaiser ...

mcgowanjm posted on 2012-05-26 8:23:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Edit #2. To: Peo111 (#0)

Charlie Madison via Arthur Silber...powerofnarrative blog:

"Many Americans, at least those who prefer to think of themselves as intelligent and well-informed, are willing to laugh at their own idiocies.

They are not so ready to admit that their desperately loved self-conception, an idealized view of themselves and their country that they cling to with the neurotic terror of the criminal who fears exposure at any moment,

disguises a fact that has assumed awful, overwhelming clarity to much of the rest of the world: that Americans are among the most vicious killers who have ever lived.

"It’s not war that’s unnatural to us – it’s virtue. As long as valor remains a virtue, we shall have soldiers. So, I preach cowardice. Through cowardice, we shall all be saved.

...

I don’t trust people who make bitter reflections about war. ... It’s always the generals with the bloodiest records who are the first to shout what a Hell it is.

And it’s always the widows who lead the Memorial Day parades … we shall never end wars ... by blaming it on ministers and generals or warmongering imperialists or all the other banal bogies.

It’s the rest of us who build statues to those generals and name boulevards after those ministers; the rest of us who make heroes of our dead and shrines of our battlefields. We wear our widows’ weeds like nuns and perpetuate war by exalting its sacrifices. My brother died at Anzio – an everyday soldier’s death, no special heroism involved.

They buried what pieces they found of him. But my mother insists he died a brave death and pretends to be very proud.

mcgowanjm

mcgowanjm posted on 2012-05-26 8:26:56 ET

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-05-26   8:28:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: mcgowanjm (#6)

My brother died at Anzio – an everyday soldier’s death, no special heroism involved.

They buried what pieces they found of him. But my mother insists he died a brave death and pretends to be very proud.

Then why do you shit on his memory here?

On a thread about a day that has ALWAYS had only ONE reason to exist, which is to HONOR AND REMEMBER ALL WHO HAVE DIED IN THE SERVICE.

Including your alleged brother.

You want to spew your libTURD crap do it elsewhere.

Your brother was worth more than 300 MILLIONS of YOU creep.

Of your own brother's death you gibber, "NO SPECIAL HEROISM INVOLVED"?

You are foul beyond words.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-05-26   12:49:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: mcgowanjm, mad dog (#6)

My brother died at Anzio – an everyday soldier’s death, no special heroism involved.

They buried what pieces they found of him. But my mother insists he died a brave death and pretends to be very proud.

Oh yeah, the silly man died fighting to free europe from the nazi occupation.

Have some respect for an american patriot you pig. Veterans die year after year protecting your right to run your stupid fucking mouth.

You're an ASSHOLE.

"And don't get smart with me you prick. I know where you live. harrowup posted on 2012-04-30 18:55:29 ET Reply Trace"

calcon  posted on  2012-05-26   12:56:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Mad Dog (#7)

He's a fucking pig.

"And don't get smart with me you prick. I know where you live. harrowup posted on 2012-04-30 18:55:29 ET Reply Trace"

calcon  posted on  2012-05-26   12:57:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: calcon (#9)

He's a fucking pig.

.

I agree.

But I do think that we need to apologize to pigs who suffer in the comparison.

For them ALL, thank you.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-05-26   13:14:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Mad Dog, *Military or Vets Affairs* (#0)

Raul (Roy) Perez Benavidez (August 5, 1935 – November 29, 1998) was a member of the Studies and Observations Group of the United States Army. He received the Medal of Honor for his actions in combat near Lộc Ninh, South Vietnam on May 2, 1968.

In 1952, during the Korean War, Benavidez enlisted in the Texas Army National Guard. In June 1955, he enlisted in the regular United States Army. He married Hilaria Coy in 1959, the year he completed his airborne training and was assigned to the 82nd Airborne Division at Fort Bragg. In 1965 he was sent to South Vietnam as an advisor to an ARVN infantry regiment. He stepped on a land mine during a patrol and was evacuated to the United States, where doctors at Brooke Army Medical Center (BAMC) thought he would never walk again. Despite serious injury to his spine, Benavidez walked out of the hospital in July 1966, his wife at his side.[citation needed]

Benavidez returned to Fort Bragg to begin training for the elite Studies and Observations Group (SOG). Despite continuing pain from his wounds, he became a member of the 5th Special Forces Group and returned to South Vietnam in January 1968. On May 2, 1968, a 12-man Special Forces team was surrounded by a NVA battalion. Benavidez heard the radio appeal for help and boarded a helicopter to respond. Armed only with a knife, he jumped from the helicopter carrying a medical bag and rushed to join the trapped team. Benavidez "distinguished himself by a series of daring and extremely glorious actions... and because of his gallant choice to join voluntarily his comrades who were in critical straits, to expose himself constantly to withering enemy fire, and his refusal to be stopped despite numerous severe wounds, saved the lives of at least eight men." He was believed dead after finally being evacuated and was being zipped up in a body bag when he mustered the last of his strength and spit in the face of a medic, thereby alerting nearby medical personnel that he was still alive. (see medal citation below)

Nearly dead from a total of 37 separate bayonet, bullet and shrapnel wounds received on multiple occasions over the course of the six hour fight between the 13 men and an enemy battalion,[1] Benavidez was evacuated once again to Brooke Army Medical Center, where he eventually recovered. For his heroism, the Army awarded him the Distinguished Service Cross.

In 1973, after more detailed accounts became available, Special Forces Lieutenant Colonel Ralph R. Drake insisted that Benavidez receive the Medal of Honor. By then, however, the time limit on the medal had expired. An appeal to Congress resulted in an exemption for Benavidez, but the Army Decorations Board still denied him the Medal of Honor. The board required an eyewitness account from someone present during the action, but Benavidez thought that no others were alive who had been at the "Six Hours in Hell."[citation needed]

In 1980, however, Brian O'Connor, a radioman in the attacked Special Forces team, provided a ten-page report of the engagement. O'Connor had been severely wounded (Benavidez had believed him dead), and was evacuated to the United States before his superiors could fully debrief him. O'Connor learned that Benavidez was alive by chance. He had been living in the Fiji Islands and was on holiday in Australia when he read a newspaper account of Benavidez from an El Campo newspaper. It had been picked up by the international press and reprinted in Australia. O'Connor soon contacted his old friend and submitted his report, confirming the accounts already provided by others and providing the missing eyewitness.

On February 24, 1981, President Ronald Reagan presented Roy Benavidez the Medal of Honor. Reagan reportedly turned to the press and said: "If the story of his heroism were a movie script, you would not believe it". He then read the official award citation.[citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Benavidez

Whenever any of us think that life is hard and nobody cares about anybody else,remember reading this and give Roy a thought. If you can't be inspired by him you have no soul and are hopeless.

Roy may be one of the most outstanding examples of what made America great,but he's not the only one. Others may have only served right here in the United States ,but they still served,they still gave up a part of their life to serve,and they all knew they could have been called at any time to go into actual combat.

All this in order to preserve America and her freedoms,and to allow your children to grow up to enjoy the same life you had.

So,it doesn't really matter if it Roy you think of today or your uncle that served as a cook at a stateside training facility. They all served and they all did their part to protect and preserve America.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-05-26   13:52:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Mad Dog (#0)

Here this is appropriate.....

Leftardism/Liberalism: The chickenschitt way to deal with life’s problems by creating solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before and then having to find a solution to that one…

CZ82  posted on  2012-05-26   13:56:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: sneakypete, ALL (#11)

Whenever any of us think that life is hard and nobody cares about anybody else,remember reading this and give Roy a thought. If you can't be inspired by him you have no soul and are hopeless.

Roy may be one of the most outstanding examples of what made America great,but he's not the only one. Others may have only served right here in the United States ,but they still served,they still gave up a part of their life to serve,and they all knew they could have been called at any time to go into actual combat.

All this in order to preserve America and her freedoms,and to allow your children to grow up to enjoy the same life you had.

So,it doesn't really matter if it Roy you think of today or your uncle that served as a cook at a stateside training facility. They all served and they all did their part to protect and preserve America.

.

We are blessed to have such men among us.

They await us in the halls of our ancestors.

THEY have done their duty and much more.

I am not worthy of speaking their names.

For them ALL.

Amen.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-05-26   14:01:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: mcgowanjm (#6)

They buried what pieces they found of him. But my mother insists he died a brave death and pretends to be very proud.

mcgowanjm

You don't think it required an immense amount or courage to storm ashore at Anzio while under fire from dug in heavy and light machine gun positions,artillery fire,mortar fire,and rifle fire?

And you should also know that the majority of the acts of bravery are never recognized because of no witnesses or all the witnesses dying. Or even lost paperwork.

Read the Medal of Honor citation for Roy Benavidez that I just posted on this thread and take note that it took years for him to get the award he so richly deserved,and that he was lucky he ever got it because he was in a covert unit instead of a regular army unit. Another SOG MoH winner (Bob Howard) was put in for a Medal of Honor on THREE separate occasions before he finally got one.

Soooo,don't assume a man is not a hero just because he isn't wearing one of the ribbons.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-05-26   14:08:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: sneakypete (#14)

Read the Medal of Honor citation for Roy Benavidez that I just posted on this thread and take note that it took years for him to get the award he so richly deserved

So did you ever get to meet him????

I did one time when he came to talk to us about Leadership and Integrity...

Leftardism/Liberalism: The chickenschitt way to deal with life’s problems by creating solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before and then having to find a solution to that one…

CZ82  posted on  2012-05-26   14:14:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: sneakypete (#11)

He was believed dead after finally being evacuated and was being zipped up in a body bag when he mustered the last of his strength and spit in the face of a medic, thereby alerting nearby medical personnel that he was still alive. (see medal citation below)

Nearly dead from a total of 37 separate bayonet, bullet and shrapnel wounds received on multiple occasions over the course of the six hour fight between the 13 men and an enemy battalion,

Incredible stuff in his heroics and will to survive. I've seen it before over the years and thanks for the fresh reminder of his story.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2012-05-26   14:16:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: CZ82, ALL (#12)

Here this is appropriate.....

HERE RESTS IN

HONORED GLORY

AN AMERICAN

SOLDIER

KNOWN BUT TO GOD

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-05-26   14:20:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: CZ82 (#15)

So did you ever get to meet him????

Yeah,we were casual friends at Bragg. He went to VN and all of this had already happened before I got to SOG. I heard about it once I got there,though. Everybody that knew him had heard about it and were in awe of his actions. I still get the shivers just thinking about going in on a hot LZ on a Brightlight Operation,and that's loaded for bear with a full team,never mind going in alone and armed only with a Bowie knife.

As they used to say in frontier times,"THERE's a man with the bark on him!"

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-05-26   14:25:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Fred Mertz (#16)

Nearly dead from a total of 37 separate bayonet, bullet and shrapnel wounds received on multiple occasions over the course of the six hour fight between the 13 men and an enemy battalion,

Incredible stuff in his heroics and will to survive.

Yeah,and I don't think that even counts the burns he got rescuing the crew and passengers from the first chopper that got in and flew out with the wounded and got shot down. As shot up as he was,he dragged them all out of the burning helicopter and dragged them to safety,and then loaded them all up again on the next helicopter that came in.

AND....,IMHO the most appropriate ending to this action was as he loaded the last of the wounded on the last helicopter out before he got in himself,a NVA came running around the tail boom with a satchel charge to throw into the chopper,and Roy killed him with his Bowie knife. In fact,the knife was still sticking out of the NVA's chest when the helicopter flew away.

Hollywood is completely nuts if they don't make movies about him and Bob Howard. Not only wouldn't they have to make anything up,they might have to omit some of the things these men really did to make it believable.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-05-26   14:32:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: sneakypete (#14)

You don't think it required an immense amount or courage to storm ashore at Anzio while under fire from dug in heavy and light machine gun positions,artillery fire,mortar fire,and rifle fire?

Sure. Know the people who did Anzio.

As well as those that did the Battle of the Bulge

And btw, it wasn't 'Nuts to you' on that message to the German Commander from the US Bastogne Commander....;}

The Best Evidence on how War is cleaned up for the farscicly deluded innocent American back home.

I'm talking about the Very Few Captains of Industry sitting behind their comfortable desks who are sending these boys into the meat grinder.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-05-28   9:39:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: sneakypete (#14)

And you should also know that the majority of the acts of bravery are never recognized because of no witnesses or all the witnesses dying. Or even lost paperwork.

And the fact that they lost that engagement which does nothing for the war effort back home....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-05-28   9:40:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: sneakypete (#14)

Read the Medal of Honor citation for Roy Benavidez that I just posted on this thread and take note that it took years for him to get the award he so richly deserved,and that he was lucky he ever got it because he was in a covert unit instead of a regular army unit. Another SOG MoH winner (Bob Howard) was put in for a Medal of Honor on THREE separate occasions before he finally got one.

When you go covert you're either shot as a spy or a traitor.

Part of the job.

Why else be covert about it....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-05-28   9:41:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: sneakypete (#14)

Soooo,don't assume a man is not a hero just because he isn't wearing one of the ribbons.

A hero is a coward.

Don't join up. Don't go. The bravest thing you can do.

War is Hell. Every war story from the trenches at the front around the world has the same lesson.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-05-28   9:43:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: calcon (#8)

Oh yeah, the silly man died fighting to free europe from the nazi occupation.

So here's where you can tell us why the US attacked Germany.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-05-28   9:51:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Mad Dog (#7)

Then why do you shit on his memory here?

So to describe what War is actually like is to shit on someone's memory?

please.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-05-28   9:52:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: mcgowanjm (#22)

When you go covert you're either shot as a spy or a traitor.

Not always. That is always a real risk,though.

Not a single SOG MIA was ever returned or even acknowledged by the NVA. Jerry "Mad Dog" Shriver is the only one I even know of where the NVA admitted they had him in their possession when they admitted they had his head in a radio broadcast that was captured. Every SOG guy had a bounty on his head by the NVA just for being on a SOG team,but Shriver was unique in that he was mentioned by name and had a 10 grand bounty on him. In 1968 and 69 this was BIG money. Especially to a Asian peasant. He scared the piss out of them. Most other people,too.

That was in early 1969,and they haven't had one word to say about him since then. They will not admit he was KIA or captured and killed,or anything else about him.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-05-28   11:03:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: mcgowanjm, Grand Island (#23)

A hero is a coward.

Don't join up. Don't go. The bravest thing you can do.

You really are insane. You know that,right?

BTW,I pinged the one guy that probably agrees with you.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-05-28   11:05:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: mcgowanjm (#24)

So here's where you can tell us why the US attacked Germany.

Because they declared war on us and attacked us first?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-05-28   11:06:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: mcgowanjm (#25)

md; Then why do you shit on his memory here?

creep; So to describe what War is actually like is to shit on someone's memory?

please.

THIS is NOT the appropriate thread for you to post your libTURD crap loser.

THIS thread is about MEMORIAL DAY whose only purpose is to HONOR all who have DIED in SERVICE.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-05-28   12:37:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: mcgowanjm (#20)

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THIS is NOT the appropriate thread for you to post your libTURD crap loser.

THIS thread is about MEMORIAL DAY whose only purpose is to HONOR all who have DIED in SERVICE.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-05-28   12:38:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: mcgowanjm (#21)

..

THIS is NOT the appropriate thread for you to post your libTURD crap loser.

THIS thread is about MEMORIAL DAY whose only purpose is to HONOR all who have DIED in SERVICE.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-05-28   12:38:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: mcgowanjm (#22)

...

THIS is NOT the appropriate thread for you to post your libTURD crap loser.

THIS thread is about MEMORIAL DAY whose only purpose is to HONOR all who have DIED in SERVICE.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-05-28   12:39:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: mcgowanjm (#23)

....

THIS is NOT the appropriate thread for you to post your libTURD crap loser.

THIS thread is about MEMORIAL DAY whose only purpose is to HONOR all who have DIED in SERVICE.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-05-28   12:39:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: mcgowanjm (#24)

.....

THIS is NOT the appropriate thread for you to post your libTURD crap loser.

THIS thread is about MEMORIAL DAY whose only purpose is to HONOR all who have DIED in SERVICE.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-05-28   12:40:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: sneakypete (#28)

So here's where you can tell us why the US attacked Germany.

Because they declared war on us and attacked us first?

wrong. Try again.

Has to do with the US breaking the German code as well as the Japanese....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-05-28   21:33:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: All (#35)

10 US invaders killed as Mujahideen shoot down ambulance helicopter Zabihullah Mujahid E-mail Print PDF Monday, 07 Rajab 1433 Monday, 28 May 2012 17:10

PAKTIKA, May 28 – A report says that Mujahideen of the Islamic Emirate shot a US invaders ambulance while it was about to land in an area in Sarhawza district, Paktika province in order to evacuate the dead and wounded caused during a clash with Mujahideen of the Islamic on Monday.

According to the reliable sources, as many as 10 American invaders were killed in the shoot-down whereas four other helicopters approached the area to airlift the dead American terrorists from the site.

Witnesses say the area has remained surrounded by the enemy forces thought the day.

"Contractor Deaths Exceed Military Ones in Iraq and Afghanistan (2010). At the peak of the Iraq War, 150,000 "contractors" were in-theater so our civilian "leadership" could claim to have reduced the "headcount" of military personnnel serving in Iraq.

As with everything else in America, the artifice was swallowed whole because the truth was too ugly and difficult for us to bear. The sacrifices of our contractors in Iraq have been ignored by everyone: the Pentagon, the politicians and the public. Nobody wants to acknowledge the losses of those we hired to replace "official" soldiers, even though many of those contractors were ex-U.S. Armed Forces service members.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-05-28   21:35:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: All (#36)

Military-Industrial Complex Porn: Congress To Spend More On Tanks Than The Pentagon Wants

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-05-29   7:42:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: sneakypete (#28)

Everything you need to know on why WWII:

Many thanx, Robin

As I know my family, I know that the bush's got their start thru this.

IT ALL rings true, right down to their method of criminalizing/'he's mentally unbalanced' dirt in the face methods.....;}

"While there is no suggestion (bullsite. I'm 'suggesting it, asshole...;}

that Prescott Bush was sympathetic (look up fascvist in the dictionary and see Poppy Bush;}

to the Nazi cause In 1941, Thyssen fled Germany after falling out with Hitler but he was captured in France and detained for the remainder of the war.

(Now THAT's the first time I've heard that. Right there is Everything you need to know. I'd like to know what the disagreement was about. And be a fly on the wall of that discussion.....;}

Erwin May, a treasury attache and officer for the department of investigation in the APC, was assigned to look into UBC's business. The first fact to emerge was that Roland Harriman, Prescott Bush and the other directors didn't actually own their shares in UBC but merely held them on behalf of Bank voor Handel. Strangely, no one seemed to know who owned the Rotterdam-based bank, including UBC's president. Even then it could be argued that BBH was within its rights continuing business relations with the Thyssens until the end of 1941 as the US was still technically neutral until the attack on Pearl Harbor.

(So did Thyssen leave Germany before or after Pearl Harbour?....;}

The trouble started on July 30 1942 when the New York Herald-Tribune ran an article entitled "Hitler's Angel Has $3m in US Bank". UBC's huge gold purchases had raised suspicions that the bank was in fact a "secret nest egg" hidden in New York for Thyssen Jones recommended that the assets be liquidated for the benefit of the government, but instead UBC was maintained intact (!!!!!)

and eventually returned to the American shareholders after the war. (!!!!!)

Some claim that Bush sold his share in UBC after the war for $1.5m - a huge amount of money at the time - but there is no documentary evidence to support this claim. No further action was ever taken nor was the investigation continued,

*****despite the fact UBC was caught red-handed operating a American shell company for the Thyssen family eight months after America had entered the war and that this was the bank that had partly financed Hitler's rise to power. The most tantalising part of the story remains shrouded in mystery:*******

(The Only 'mystery' is why the case was stopped cold.....;}

the connection, if any, between Prescott Bush, Thyssen, Consolidated Silesian Steel Company (CSSC) and Auschwitz. "The Consolidated Silesian Steel Company situation has become increasingly complicated, and I have accordingly brought in

"Sullivan and Cromwell"

HUGE law firm implicated in the Truman Doctrine. Still alive and well. Their fingers in more pies than Goldman/Sachs....;},

in order to be sure that our interests are protected," wrote Knight. "After studying the situation Foster Dulles But the ownership of the CSSC between 1939 when the Germans invaded Poland and 1942 when the US government vested UBC and SAC is not clear.

"SAC held coal mines and definitely owned CSSC between 1934 and 1935, but when SAC was vested there was no trace of CSSC. All concrete evidence of its ownership disappears after 1935 and there are only a few traces in 1938 and 1939," says Eva Schweitzer, the journalist and author whose book, America and the Holocaust, is published next month.

::::::

Silesia was quickly made part of the German Reich after the invasion, but while Polish factories were seized by the Nazis, those belonging to the still neutral Americans (and some other nationals) were treated more carefully as Hitler was still hoping to persuade the US to at least sit out the war as a neutral country.

:::::

Schweitzer says American interests were dealt with on a case-by-case basis. The Nazis bought some out, but not others.

Ford Motor Truck Plant was srutinized by the Nazis, but they found that Germany could not make Ford Trucks any faster or better than Ford.....;}

"The Union Banking Corporation was a holding company for the Nazis, for Fritz Thyssen," said Loftus. "At various times, the Bush family has tried to spin it, saying they were owned by a Dutch bank and it wasn't until the Nazis took over Holland that they realised that now the Nazis controlled the apparent company and that is why the Bush supporters claim when the war was over they got their money back.

BULL SHITE

Both the American treasury investigations and the intelligence investigations in Europe completely bely that, it's absolute horseshit. They always knew who the ultimate beneficiaries were."

;}

"There is no one left alive who could be prosecuted but they did get away with it," said Loftus. "As a former federal prosecutor, I would make a case for Prescott Bush, his father-in-law (George Walker) and Averill Harriman [to be prosecuted] for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. They remained on the boards of these companies knowing that they were of financial benefit to the nation of Germany." Loftus said Prescott Bush must have been aware of what was happening in Germany at the time.

"My take on him was that he was a not terribly successful in-law who did what Herbert Walker told him to. Walker and Harriman were the two evil geniuses, they didn't care about the Nazis any more than they cared about their

(Sound Familiar? Poppy Bush cries in front of the Fla Leg knowing that he made the wrong son POTUS....8D)

investments with the Bolsheviks." "the essential facts have appeared on the internet and in relatively obscure books but were dismissed by the media and Bush family as undocumented diatribes". Buchanan suffers from hypermania, a form of manic depression, and when he found himself rebuffed in his initial efforts to interest the media, he responded with a series of threats against the journalists and media outlets that had spurned him. The threats, contained in e-mails, suggested that he would expose the journalists as "traitors to the truth". Unsurprisingly, he soon had difficulty getting his calls returned.

See Fortunate Son author commits suicide for details....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-05-29   8:49:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Sneaky Pete, All (#38)

#133. To: All (#132)

CSPAN this AM.

The forum was about Obama being able to kill any American he wished, at any time for any reason he deemed fit.

Of course that's not the way they worded their 'thread.'....;}

But a caller stated that and called for a Reading of the Declaration of Independence and Jefferson's famous 'refreshing the Tree of Liberty' quote.

The Hostess (twinkie) then asked what another caller (same line of thought on 'Unconctitutional';} thought the solution was.

Of course the caller wasn't expecting that question, which was designed to silence her. She fumbled around and I turned the channel, wishing they'd ask me....;}

But of course, if she HAD answered the way I would've liked, or if I had started to answer for the solution, we would both have been cut off.

For the answer is that the Empire is now collapsing. The solution is to speed up the collapse and peacefully open ALL secret archives in the USSA

and rename our Secret Service Agencies:

The SS, CIA, FBI, and Homeland Security.

Re Education Camps for all convicted of treason.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-05-29   9:01:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: mcgowanjm (#35)

So here's where you can tell us why the US attacked Germany. Because they declared war on us and attacked us first?

wrong. Try again.

No,I am NOT wrong. Germany declared war on us when we declared war on Japan. We declared war on Japan after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.

And they were sinking our merchant shipping long before they declared war.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-05-29   9:43:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: mcgowanjm (#38)

Everything you need to know on why WWII:

The OFF TOPIC post you made was in reference to who declared war on who,and when they did it,NOT for the causes of the war,which number in the hundreds if not the thousands. Wars don't start overnight,and they don't start for any one reason,although it is generally safe to say that greed was always the motivating factor that got the ball rolling years before the actual fighting started.

And Prescott Bush wasn't the big deal you make him to be with Harriman. The only reason he got the job there was because of his father in lawCertainly not far enough up the ladder to be in a decision-making position.

Yes,Harriman DID launder money for the Nazi's during WW-2. No,they did NOT launder money for the Nazi's before WW-2 because before there was a declaration of war it was not illegal to handle Nazi money.

Yes,Prescott Bush took full responsibility for the whole deal,freeing the Harriman Bank from having to face any fines or other actions. Not to mention negative publicity that would have bankrupted the bank during WW-2.

Prescott's reward for taking the rap was to be elected to the US Senate in 1954. 9 short years after WW-2 ended,the denizens of Ct elected somebody that gave aid and comfort to the Nazi leadership was elected to represent them in the US Senate.

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-05-29   10:19:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: sneakypete (#41)

Yes,Prescott Bush took full responsibility for the whole deal

So just right off the bat, what penalty did Prescott pay....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-05-29   10:33:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: sneakypete (#41)

Noting how Thyssen squeezed every last mark/$ out of the German war machine before leaving at precisely the right time.

Who covered for Thyssen if not the bushes?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-05-29   10:35:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: sneakypete (#41)

Everything you need to know on why WWII: The OFF TOPIC post you made was in reference to who declared war on who,and when they did it,NOT for the causes of the war,which number in the hundreds if not the thousands. Wars don't start overnight,and they don't start for any one reason,although it is generally safe to say that greed was always the motivating factor that got the ball rolling years before the actual fighting started.

Here's what started your OFF TOPIC conversation.

But of course you're cool with Calcon....;}

So you start with my reply....how convenient for you.

"#8. To: mcgowanjm, mad dog (#6)

My brother died at Anzio – an everyday soldier’s death, no special heroism involved.

They buried what pieces they found of him. But my mother insists he died a brave death and pretends to be very proud.

Oh yeah, the silly man died fighting to free europe from the nazi occupation.

Have some respect for an american patriot you pig. Veterans die year after year protecting your right to run your stupid fucking mouth.

You're an ASSHOLE.

"And don't get smart with me you prick. I know where you live. harrowup posted on 2012-04-30 18:55:29 ET Reply Trace"

calcon

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-05-29   10:37:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Sneaky Pete, All (#44)

Wars don't start overnight,and they don't start for any one reason,although it is generally safe to say that greed was always the motivating factor that got the ball rolling years before the actual fighting started.

But when us Dirty Fuckin Hippies point out what your treasonous leaders are doing to foment War...

See ALL of my posts per SCOTUS Selection of bush43 with 9/11 months later and cheney's State of Emergency, still renewed every year.

Good thing Tyrants always fail....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-05-29   10:42:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: sneakypete (#41)

Prescott's reward for taking the rap was to be elected to the US Senate in 1954. 9 short years after WW-2 ended

Then 112263 and the bush family dynasty takes off.

War is Profit.

But karma always wins.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-05-29   10:44:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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