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Title: DOJ pressures university to allow 38-year old man access to women’s restrooms
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URL Source: http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/23/d ... an-access-to-womens-restrooms/
Published: May 25, 2012
Author: Caroline May
Post Date: 2012-05-25 16:11:27 by CZ82
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DOJ pressures university to allow 38-year old man access to women’s restrooms Published: 11:03 PM 05/23/2012, By Caroline May Watch out, you ladies at the University of Arkansas at Fort Smith: Those feet under the stall next to you might just belong to a 38-year-old man. Despite opposition from female students, UAFS has decided on “advice of counsel” to allow a 38-year-old anatomically-male, transgendered student access to the women’s bathrooms on campus. According to a report from the conservative Campus Reform, the university decided to reverse its transgender policy after receiving a letter from the Department of Justice. The school’s initial solution was to allow the man to use gender-neutral bathrooms instead of the women’s restrooms, and to offer to convert more bathrooms into gender-neutral areas. “Because of the stance we took, the individual filed a complaint with the Office of Civil Rights in the Department of Justice,” Mark Horn, vice president of university relations, told Campus Reform. Jennifer Braly, the 38-year-old male student who was not satisfied with the university’s policy, filed a complaint with the Justice Department and sued. “I am frustrated and highly depressed about all of these unfair restrictions,” Braly explained in an online appeal for sex-change surgery donations. “I live as a woman full time and have been for a year and a half now. I have natural breast development bigger than some normal girls from the hormone treatment. The only thing restricting me is what’s between my legs. Everyone is so concerned with what’s between my legs. I am just as much woman as anyone else.” According to Campus Reform’s interview with Horn, it was a letter from the Department of Justice that led to the bathroom policy change that allows Braly to use women’s restrooms. “[T]he office of civil rights basically made its expectations through the attorney and the decision was made to respond to that direction,” Horn said. “[T]he DOJ complaint caused revisiting of our thinking. … In the eyes of the law, this individual [Braly] is entitled to use the bathroom that she identifies with.” Neither DOJ nor UAFS have released the letter in question. DOJ explained to Campus Reform that the records “pertain to a currently active Civil Rights Division enforcement and access to the records should therefore be denied pursuant to 5 U.S.C. § 552(b)(7)(A) since disclosure thereof could reasonably be expected to interfere with Civil Rights Division enforcement proceedings.”
Poster Comment: The school’s initial solution was to allow the man to use gender-neutral bathrooms instead of the women’s restrooms, and to offer to convert more bathrooms into gender-neutral areas.---- What they should do is refuse to do anything at all and let the "IT" find it's own place to go to the bathroom.... Preferably at home where "IT" belongs....
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The political parties can't FIX the fuckin' problems THEY created over the past 60 years so what do they do? MAKE BELIEVE problems.
She should be allowed to use the woman's rest room because that is exactly what she is. Women like her have no interest in being predatory when they prefer the opposite sex as partners. And anyone taking say Premarin estrogens conjugated and an androgen blocker like say spironolactone can't preform sexually like a man anyway. It is unavoidable to have people do a period before surgical correction is done, as it is crucial to be very sure they are indeed transgender, as once someone's genitalia have been reshaped, breast implants given and a bilateral orchiectomy is preformed, there is no going back.
So I'm curious as to how the other people that use those restrooms feel about having "IT" using it when they are in there????? (but let me guess you're going to speak for them even though you don't know them)... But that doesn't matter does it, it's all about the feelings of those "Speeeeeeecial" people isn't it????? Everybody has the right to do something really stupid and "IT" did it.... But they also have the "obligation" to pay the price for their stupidity... Making others pay the price for "IT'S" stupidity is not how it's done, but then again we're dealing with Leftards here so nothing amazes me..... Truthfully this is more appropriate............ Leftardism/Liberalism: The chickenschitt way to deal with life’s problems by creating solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before and then having to find a solution to that one…
It is unavoidable to have people do a period before surgical correction is done, as it is crucial to be very sure they are indeed transgender, as once someone's genitalia have been reshaped, breast implants given and a bilateral orchiectomy is preformed, there is no going back. My that was a mouthful, irrelevant but surely a mouthful..... I wonder if he/she could sell it's spare parts to Chaz??? Chaz seems to be missing the appropriate "appendages" to be able to do the urinal experience!!! Also seems to be lacking enough sense on how to run it's life too!!! I wonder how much prodding from Cher had to do with making that situation/mess a reality???? (shaking head slowly back and forth)......
Leftardism/Liberalism: The chickenschitt way to deal with life’s problems by creating solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before and then having to find a solution to that one…
If some pervert cuts his dick off and goes into the womans restroom. If I see the freak doing that. I will beat it to a pulp. Then throw it in a dumpster.
Mike you need to see the a Jack Kevorkian type person. Go put yourself out of your misery you freaky ShitFer.
Not true fuckwit..anatomically male doesn't have "alternative" meanings.
12:16 26 January 2011 by Jessica Hamzelou For similar stories, visit the The Human Brain and Love and Sex Topic Guides Differences in the brain's white matter that clash with a person's genetic sex may hold the key to identifying transsexual people before puberty. Doctors could use this information to make a case for delaying puberty to improve the success of a sex change later. Medics are keen to find concrete physical evidence to help those children who feel they are trapped in the body of the opposite sex. One key brain region involved is the BSTc, an area of grey matter. But the region is too small to scan in a living person so differences have only been picked up at post-mortem. Antonio Guillamon's team at the National University of Distance Education in Madrid, Spain, think they have found a better way to spot a transsexual brain. In a study due to be published next month, the team ran MRI scans on the brains of 18 female-to-male transsexual people who'd had no treatment and compared them with those of 24 males and 19 females. They found significant differences between male and female brains in four regions of white matter – and the female-to-male transsexual people had white matter in these regions that resembled a male brain (Journal of Psychiatric Research, DOI: 10.1016/j.jpsychires.2010.05.006). "It's the first time it has been shown that the brains of female-to-male transsexual people are masculinised," Guillamon says. In a separate study, the team used the same technique to compare white matter in 18 male-to-female transsexual people with that in 19 males and 19 females. Surprisingly, in each transsexual person's brain the structure of the white matter in the four regions was halfway between that of the males and females (Journal of Psychiatric Research, DOI: 10.1016/j.jpsychires.2010.11.007). "Their brains are not completely masculinised and not completely feminised, but they still feel female," says Guillamon. Guillamon isn't sure whether the four regions are at all associated with notions of gender, but Ivanka Savic-Berglund at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, Sweden, thinks they might be. One of the four regions – the superior longitudinal fascicle – is particularly interesting, she says. "It connects the parietal lobe [involved in sensory processing] and frontal lobe [involved in planning movement] and may have implications in body perception." A 2010 study of 121 transgender people found that 38 per cent realised they had gender variance by age 5. White matter differences could provide independent confirmation that such children might benefit from treatment to delay puberty. A study by Sean Deoni's team at King's College London suggests it may soon be possible to look for these differences in such children. Deoni's team adapted an MRI scanner to be as quiet as possible so it could be used to monitor the development of white matter in sleeping infants. Using new image analysis software they could track when and where myelin – the neuron covering that makes white matter white – was laid down (Journal of Neuroscience, vol 31, p 784). Although the sample was too small to identify any gender differences in development, Deoni expects to see differences developing in the brain "by 2 or 3 years of age". Guillamon thinks such scans may not help in all cases. "Research has shown that white matter matures during the first 20 to 30 years of life," he says. "People may experience early or late onset of transsexuality and we don't know what causes this difference." http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20032-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan.html The main organ determining gender is the brain. Maybe someday medicine will become so refined it will be able to detect problems causing discrepancies between brain and body development and be able to put the mind/body physically in sync. Suffice it to say however, it is very true people who are transgender are truly better off with brain and body on the same page in terms of gender. Transgender surgery makes people complete and research has proven what traangendered people have known all along; that they lead fully, richer and better adjusted lives in the gender role their brain has developed to support being.
Chaz's life is more complete in the role his brain is differentiated for. I'm sorry you suffer so badly from the affliction of bigotry you feel society has to prevent the only treatments that correct the problems when the human brain develops one way, and the body another. Until this problem can be detected and remedied prenatally by understanding the development process and developing the means to detect this and remedy if this is at all possible, it earlier in the development of the baby in a mother's womb, the best treatments will always be to remedy this with the current methods of treatments that are used today. It hurts no one to make people's lives richer by the means of current treatment protocols. And no one should be forced to suffer merely to appease the disease of hatred and intolerance people like you suffer from.
You are against surgery and hormone treatments to correct this problem, but what about hermaphrodites? Often in the past surgery was done that is still done in many cases even now to remove one of the two physical aspects of gender while the person is extremely young. If you expand your misplaced sense of how others should be forced to live to them, then you would support them being preserved as they were born and then do your little games of harassment, intolerance and hatred should they determine they prefer a sole gender role and treatment that includes surgery to help them achieve this. And should you do that and also pass laws that a person with a vagina can't use the room set up to accomidate people with penises and someone with a penis can't use the room with only toilets and feminine product disposal boxes, where do you propose they urinate and have bowel mnvements? The bushes around back?
I'm sorry you suffer so badly from the affliction of bigotry you feel society has to prevent the only treatments that correct the problems when the human brain develops one way, and the body another. Until this problem can be detected and remedied prenatally by understanding the development process and developing the means to detect this and remedy if this is at all possible, it earlier in the development of the baby in a mother's womb, the best treatments will always be to remedy this with the current methods of treatments that are used today. It hurts no one to make people's lives richer by the means of current treatment protocols. And no one should be forced to suffer merely to appease the disease of hatred and intolerance people like you suffer from. Wow, you dropped "3" overused AND irrelevant cards again, all in 1 paragraph.... that must be a record!!! You could have just said that I was disgusted and you would have been 100% accurate..... Not disgusted about their obvious mental problems but disgusted in the way in which they addressed them... The simple solution is usually the best solution, but then again the doctors don't make near as much money, do they...... and it doesn't make those who want to expand the gay population happy either.... By the way what proof is there that these surgical procedures actually work????? They were messed up in the head before AND after the treatments, doesn't seem like they work too well.. Sounds like a good nut cracker and some meds would reap better results... ($5 says what few credible psyches there are left in the APA would agree with that)..... simple is better.....
Leftardism/Liberalism: The chickenschitt way to deal with life’s problems by creating solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before and then having to find a solution to that one…
So you think I'm wanting to force these people to live a certain way???? LOL.... They can have all of the useless surgeries they want to have, it's their screwed up life not mine.... But that doesn't mean I have to be "NOT DISGUSTED" over them and what they are doing.... And that also doesn't mean I can't "suggest" they try something that may be more effective than body mutilation!!! (That is one of my "Rights" the last time I checked).... But you and the GLBT community "DON'T" seem to be too bothered by "Forcing" non- GLBT people to have to deal with GLBT peoples problems and to be receptive of them!!! (isn't that against the non-GLBT peoples rights)?? But that's the GLBT agenda isn't it, to make everybody be tolerant of them and their problems, when they themselves aren't tolerant of others!!!! (there's that idiotic "tolerance" word again, or is it "intolerance", oh well no matter).... So don't accuse me of "Forcing" someone to live a certain way when you and the GLBT crowd are more guilty of it than I am.... (I also think the "hypocrisy" word fits in here somewhere too, doesn't it)!!! So has anybody asked the straight people if they feel alright sharing their bathrooms with the tranny crowd??? (I seriously doubt it, that's not the way GLBT (or you) work, right)!! You know what, if they just went ahead and got their own bathrooms I'd bet everybody that is non-GLBT wouldn't have a problem with it, (I wouldn't) now would they..... ($5 says that GLBT would be pissed off though, because they think the country should revolve around the 3%)!!! That's what the article is about, "suggesting" they "do the right thing", but they (and you) just don't want to???
Leftardism/Liberalism: The chickenschitt way to deal with life’s problems by creating solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before and then having to find a solution to that one…
They are the ones who have to be comfortable in their bodies, not you or me. People trying to fit into the gender role they self identify as are no danger in the rest room. I have known transgender people before and after their physical problems were addressed and if they were comfortable and happier -- and they contently seem to be flourishing better then they did, that was all I care about. I think transvestites which are those fully wishing to be male and are merely cross dressing for whatever particular reason they wish to need to keep out of the ladies room; but if someone has changed the gender marker on their ID or license and live as the gender they feel they are, they should be left alone. If they are just beginning to remedy what always was a serious problem to them because they have always known the gender role of their physicality did not fit them, then they should also be considerate enough to discuss the issue in restaurants, coffee shops and other places they go to to be considerate of the feelings of others, but tbeir right to use the restroom of choice should always be respected.
Someday, like all of us, you will know that GOD doesn't make mistakes, despite your contrary smears. Satan has convinced you, and all those poor, lost souls, that GOD made a mistake when he created them. Satan is sooo evil, he has even convinced men that their chidren who are born with downs-syndrome, autism, or some other mark that does not meet their standards of 'normal', that these children do not deserve to live, and should be put to death, even before they are born. God loves all of us, regardless of our differences, and I believe it is our differences that makes each and everyone of us unique in HIS eyes, we ARE NOT (despite what satan would have you believe) ugly, repulsive burdens to HIM, men are arrogant, selfish, greedy, presumptuous ,weak, and weak minded creatures, GOD is not, we are all perfect individuals in HIS eyes. God is not like man who makes mistakes and has afterthoughts leading to a change of mind, or makes decrees that HE later has to annul because HE has not considered all the consequences, or that HE lacks the infinite power to bring to pass that which he has said. HE is not like man whose mistaken and sinful morality begs retribution. God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all. (1 John 1:5b). "The LORD is righteous in all HIS ways, and holy in all his works" (Psalms 145:17). We are here on earth only for a short time, but Heaven lasts forever. I believe each and everyday we are tested, and each and everyday, we all fall short of HIS GLORY! God doesn't make mistakes, but satan is free, for a little while longer, to spread his lies that we are imperfections and deserve to be changed, or destroyed. JMHO!
"A friend will calm you down when you are angry, but a best friend will skip beside you with a baseball bat singing, "someone's gonna get it"
You seem to be skirting the real issue here, their obvious mental problems!! Why is that?? People that have mental problems can be dangerous to others much less themselves..
Leftardism/Liberalism: The chickenschitt way to deal with life’s problems by creating solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before and then having to find a solution to that one…
And you are practicing psychiatry without a license, and speaking of people whom you have no idea if you know one. You really should talk to someone dealing with such issues, or those providing treatment for some of your questions. They can give better answers, and if this issue bothers you so much, you really should do that. I like you can only offer opinions and discuss the issue. you really should look at how the process that has been developed to deal with gender issues. The people helped by treating gender dysphoria they suffer from lead happier, and more complete lives then they would of being told to stoically suffer. People who are physically brought to where their minds are in terms of gender are always grateful and are far better off then those made to suffer. I am for treating people younger, even to the point androgen blockers are given to sufferers before they differential and develop Secondary sex characteristics. Places like Thailand which is more tolerant of gender issues has shown that when people do what they need to do to treat this condition when younger are far better off. More, not less countries are becoming resonate with that truth and improving treatment of gender problems, not less. And this trend is going to continue.
From your #2 post coupled with your above defensive post, I have a single question. How do you know so much about transgenders? This is weird stuff.
You are more interested here in feathering the nest with people like AKA by bouncing off religious dogma at someone who is not going to do more then skim what you are saying because they have no interest in going to church with you rhetorically. Go ahead and do all the brown nosing you want to. just leave me out of it.
I have worked for 'Food for Lane County,' and White Bird Clinic as a Cahoots and front desk person here in my community. I know transgender people and seen how treatment of it has helped them. Because my work agreement involves confidentiality issues, I cannot talk about people in particular in a way that is recognizable. I can't go there any farther then that.
I want to know why YOU care about these circus strange freaks. Certainly, you can elaborate. Especially now, that you have suggested that you have laboured for them. Look at it this way: no breach of confidentiality at all.
I've talked before on 4UM about my job at Food For Lane County, and I've made many past references to working the front desk at White Bird Clinic. I have not only done forest activism, but have done volunteer work that turned into jobs. If a homeless transgender person comes into the clinic, or is the focus of Cahoots call, it is not my job to make value judgment like you express here on them. Remember too, Eugene is extremely liberal, a counterculture enclave, and a place where transgender people are protected in job, housing, and discrimination issues. For example, if someone verbally or physically assaults a transgender client at St. Vincent De Paul's Service Station that caters to the homeless, they will be trespassed and banned from the property. They will only warn once. Hope this gives you better background of the context of the places I have worked and am still involved with.
No. I want to understand your interest is all. There are many areas of personal ideology about political interest other than freaks of society. What about the undeclared wars? The debt? The serious issues of unequivocal voting rights given to illegals swarming our borders and modifying the nature of what was once the greatest nation on the planet? Instead, you donate time and energy for the well-spring of social misfits. Why is that?
Oh I do talk about this issues in forum, just not here. This is hardly the only place I post at. Besides, I have posted threads and comments on many other issues in here, but do not get response. You also need to address why people like Stone and others obsess on certain people often used to create wedge issues. I sure don't want to spend all my time on this particular issues,and in fact I do not. This venue in no way constitutes 'all my time.'
Given your total lack of empathy for anyone in distress it is a good thing you also have no chance of affecting the other areas of your concern.
No. Stone has already surpassed the silly-honours test about his opinion. I am asking about YOUR work. Tell me why you engage such efforts.
Goatherder, please go back to LP and show yukon your stuff. Your comment was unnecessary on LF.
As long as you continue to violate boundaries I am obliged to make certain you are uncomfortable.
I shall be on LP later to help you.
Stone has already surpassed the silly-honours test about his opinion." A very strange and vague statement the above quote is. I am currently spending most my time with forestry and Occupy Eugene issues as far as real time goes. I am also involved with planning for a regional Rainbow Gathering that will occur in June. And I don't intend on being cross examined on my motives for activism, community work, why I went into the armed forces, etc. etc. etc. If you don't like any of that, that is fine with me.
Have a blast; nobody cares beyond kicking your ass out.
Have you watched your own "straw man" argument on this thread? You set Stone as a problem. But I didn't ask about Stone. I agree the Stone is beyond repair. But you are not. Now, you cast a similar perspective about my own questions. And look at at the response I receive: Looks like you don't know how to answer a simple question, Mike.
ROTFL.... yeah, yeah Goatherder.
Truly, there are so many other lunatics running around you just get lost in the noise.
Are you pointing fingers at yourself and certainly, the GAY OL' LP Alaskan Klub? After-all, you finally figured out how it was all performed didn't you? Was it an illuminating epiphany while you milked the goats in the barn?
Put it this way closet Ferret. If some queer goes in the restroom when my kids are in their. I will kill it. As in not breathing anymore. Is that clear enough for you freak?
Moderator X: eliminate the above post of Stone's violent outburst. I command you.
Try drinking Campari & Soda; it will restore your remaining 3 synapses.
No.
On weekends, I drink Red Breast. Best whiskey under the Sun. On weekdays, I drink Jameson. Second best whiskey under the Sun. What happened to you? Drinking goats milk?
buckeroo you have traveled the internet far and wide day and night for decades now. But apparently you don't pay attention or can't put two and two together. Anyone who has seen the ferrets picture should know this. Ferret Mike is passionate about transgenders because the ferret is a transgender. Quick someone fetch a pic to prove my point.
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#2. To: CZ82 (#0)
#3. To: Ferret Mike (#2)
#4. To: Ferret Mike (#2)
She should be allowed to use the woman's rest room because that is exactly what she is. Women like her have no interest in being predatory when they prefer the opposite sex as partners. And anyone taking say Premarin estrogens conjugated and an androgen blocker like say spironolactone can't preform sexually like a man anyway.
#5. To: CZ82, Ferret Closet (#4)
She should be allowed to use the woman's rest room because that is exactly what she is.
#6. To: Ferret Closet (#2)
#7. To: Ferret Mike (#2)
he should be allowed to use the woman's rest room because that is exactly what she is.
#8. To: Thunderbird (#7)
Transsexual differences caught on brain scan
#9. To: CZ82 (#4)
#10. To: CZ82 (#3)
#11. To: Ferret Mike (#9)
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Chaz's life is more complete in the role his brain is differentiated for.
#12. To: Ferret Mike (#10)
If you expand your misplaced sense of how others should be forced to live to them, then you would support them being preserved as they were born and then do your little games of harassment, intolerance and hatred should they determine they prefer a sole gender role and treatment that includes surgery to help them achieve this.
#13. To: CZ82 (#11)
#14. To: Ferret Mike (#13)
If they are just beginning to remedy what always was a serious problem to them because they have always known the gender role of their physicality did not fit them,
#15. To: Ferret Mike (#13)
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If they are just beginning to remedy what always was a serious problem to them because they have always known the gender role of their physicality did not fit them
#16. To: CZ82 (#15)
#17. To: Ferret Mike (#16)
#18. To: Murron (#14)
#19. To: buckeroo (#17)
(Edited)
"I have a single question. How do you know so much about transgenders?"
#20. To: Ferret Mike (#19)
#21. To: buckeroo (#20)
#22. To: Ferret Mike (#21)
Hope this gives you better background of the context of the places I have worked and am still involved with.
#23. To: buckeroo (#22)
(Edited)
#24. To: buckeroo, Ferret Mike (#22)
What about the undeclared wars? The debt? The serious issues of unequivocal voting rights given to illegals swarming our borders and modifying the nature of what was once the greatest nation on the planet?
#25. To: Ferret Mike (#23)
You also need to address why people like Stone and others obsess on certain people often used to create wedge issues.
#26. To: harrowup (#24)
Given your total lack of empathy for anyone in distress it is a good thing you also have no chance of affecting the other areas of your concern.
#27. To: buckeroo (#26)
#28. To: harrowup (#27)
As long as you continue to violate boundaries I am obliged to make certain you are uncomfortable.
#29. To: buckeroo (#25)
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"No.
#30. To: buckeroo (#28)
I shall be on LP later to help you.
#31. To: Ferret Mike (#29)
A very strange and vague statement the above quote is.
I am currently spending most my time with forestry and occupy Eugene issues as far as real time goes. I am also involved with planning for a regional Rainbow Gathering that will occur in June.
And I don't intend on being cross examined on my motives for activism, community work, why I went into the armed forces, etc. etc. etc.
If you don't like any of that, that is fine with me.
#32. To: harrowup (#30)
#33. To: buckeroo (#32)
#34. To: harrowup (#33)
#35. To: Ferret Mike (#16)
#36. To: A K A Stone, Moderator X (#35)
I will kill it.
#37. To: buckeroo (#34)
...dyslexic gibberish...
#38. To: buckeroo (#36)
I command you.
#39. To: harrowup (#37)
#40. To: buckeroo, murron, cz82, ferret mike (#36)
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