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Title: DOJ pressures university to allow 38-year old man access to women’s restrooms
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TDC.com
URL Source: http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/23/d ... an-access-to-womens-restrooms/
Published: May 25, 2012
Author: Caroline May
Post Date: 2012-05-25 16:11:27 by CZ82
Keywords: None
Views: 25089
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DOJ pressures university to allow 38-year old man access to women’s restrooms Published: 11:03 PM 05/23/2012, By Caroline May Watch out, you ladies at the University of Arkansas at Fort Smith: Those feet under the stall next to you might just belong to a 38-year-old man. Despite opposition from female students, UAFS has decided on “advice of counsel” to allow a 38-year-old anatomically-male, transgendered student access to the women’s bathrooms on campus. According to a report from the conservative Campus Reform, the university decided to reverse its transgender policy after receiving a letter from the Department of Justice. The school’s initial solution was to allow the man to use gender-neutral bathrooms instead of the women’s restrooms, and to offer to convert more bathrooms into gender-neutral areas. “Because of the stance we took, the individual filed a complaint with the Office of Civil Rights in the Department of Justice,” Mark Horn, vice president of university relations, told Campus Reform. Jennifer Braly, the 38-year-old male student who was not satisfied with the university’s policy, filed a complaint with the Justice Department and sued. “I am frustrated and highly depressed about all of these unfair restrictions,” Braly explained in an online appeal for sex-change surgery donations. “I live as a woman full time and have been for a year and a half now. I have natural breast development bigger than some normal girls from the hormone treatment. The only thing restricting me is what’s between my legs. Everyone is so concerned with what’s between my legs. I am just as much woman as anyone else.” According to Campus Reform’s interview with Horn, it was a letter from the Department of Justice that led to the bathroom policy change that allows Braly to use women’s restrooms. “[T]he office of civil rights basically made its expectations through the attorney and the decision was made to respond to that direction,” Horn said. “[T]he DOJ complaint caused revisiting of our thinking. … In the eyes of the law, this individual [Braly] is entitled to use the bathroom that she identifies with.” Neither DOJ nor UAFS have released the letter in question. DOJ explained to Campus Reform that the records “pertain to a currently active Civil Rights Division enforcement and access to the records should therefore be denied pursuant to 5 U.S.C. § 552(b)(7)(A) since disclosure thereof could reasonably be expected to interfere with Civil Rights Division enforcement proceedings.”
Poster Comment: The school’s initial solution was to allow the man to use gender-neutral bathrooms instead of the women’s restrooms, and to offer to convert more bathrooms into gender-neutral areas.---- What they should do is refuse to do anything at all and let the "IT" find it's own place to go to the bathroom.... Preferably at home where "IT" belongs....
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#14. To: Ferret Mike (#13)
Someday, like all of us, you will know that GOD doesn't make mistakes, despite your contrary smears. Satan has convinced you, and all those poor, lost souls, that GOD made a mistake when he created them. Satan is sooo evil, he has even convinced men that their chidren who are born with downs-syndrome, autism, or some other mark that does not meet their standards of 'normal', that these children do not deserve to live, and should be put to death, even before they are born. God loves all of us, regardless of our differences, and I believe it is our differences that makes each and everyone of us unique in HIS eyes, we ARE NOT (despite what satan would have you believe) ugly, repulsive burdens to HIM, men are arrogant, selfish, greedy, presumptuous ,weak, and weak minded creatures, GOD is not, we are all perfect individuals in HIS eyes. God is not like man who makes mistakes and has afterthoughts leading to a change of mind, or makes decrees that HE later has to annul because HE has not considered all the consequences, or that HE lacks the infinite power to bring to pass that which he has said. HE is not like man whose mistaken and sinful morality begs retribution. God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all. (1 John 1:5b). "The LORD is righteous in all HIS ways, and holy in all his works" (Psalms 145:17). We are here on earth only for a short time, but Heaven lasts forever. I believe each and everyday we are tested, and each and everyday, we all fall short of HIS GLORY! God doesn't make mistakes, but satan is free, for a little while longer, to spread his lies that we are imperfections and deserve to be changed, or destroyed. JMHO!
"A friend will calm you down when you are angry, but a best friend will skip beside you with a baseball bat singing, "someone's gonna get it"
You seem to be skirting the real issue here, their obvious mental problems!! Why is that?? People that have mental problems can be dangerous to others much less themselves..
Leftardism/Liberalism: The chickenschitt way to deal with life’s problems by creating solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before and then having to find a solution to that one…
And you are practicing psychiatry without a license, and speaking of people whom you have no idea if you know one. You really should talk to someone dealing with such issues, or those providing treatment for some of your questions. They can give better answers, and if this issue bothers you so much, you really should do that. I like you can only offer opinions and discuss the issue. you really should look at how the process that has been developed to deal with gender issues. The people helped by treating gender dysphoria they suffer from lead happier, and more complete lives then they would of being told to stoically suffer. People who are physically brought to where their minds are in terms of gender are always grateful and are far better off then those made to suffer. I am for treating people younger, even to the point androgen blockers are given to sufferers before they differential and develop Secondary sex characteristics. Places like Thailand which is more tolerant of gender issues has shown that when people do what they need to do to treat this condition when younger are far better off. More, not less countries are becoming resonate with that truth and improving treatment of gender problems, not less. And this trend is going to continue.
From your #2 post coupled with your above defensive post, I have a single question. How do you know so much about transgenders? This is weird stuff.
You are more interested here in feathering the nest with people like AKA by bouncing off religious dogma at someone who is not going to do more then skim what you are saying because they have no interest in going to church with you rhetorically. Go ahead and do all the brown nosing you want to. just leave me out of it.
I have worked for 'Food for Lane County,' and White Bird Clinic as a Cahoots and front desk person here in my community. I know transgender people and seen how treatment of it has helped them. Because my work agreement involves confidentiality issues, I cannot talk about people in particular in a way that is recognizable. I can't go there any farther then that.
I want to know why YOU care about these circus strange freaks. Certainly, you can elaborate. Especially now, that you have suggested that you have laboured for them. Look at it this way: no breach of confidentiality at all.
I've talked before on 4UM about my job at Food For Lane County, and I've made many past references to working the front desk at White Bird Clinic. I have not only done forest activism, but have done volunteer work that turned into jobs. If a homeless transgender person comes into the clinic, or is the focus of Cahoots call, it is not my job to make value judgment like you express here on them. Remember too, Eugene is extremely liberal, a counterculture enclave, and a place where transgender people are protected in job, housing, and discrimination issues. For example, if someone verbally or physically assaults a transgender client at St. Vincent De Paul's Service Station that caters to the homeless, they will be trespassed and banned from the property. They will only warn once. Hope this gives you better background of the context of the places I have worked and am still involved with.
No. I want to understand your interest is all. There are many areas of personal ideology about political interest other than freaks of society. What about the undeclared wars? The debt? The serious issues of unequivocal voting rights given to illegals swarming our borders and modifying the nature of what was once the greatest nation on the planet? Instead, you donate time and energy for the well-spring of social misfits. Why is that?
Oh I do talk about this issues in forum, just not here. This is hardly the only place I post at. Besides, I have posted threads and comments on many other issues in here, but do not get response. You also need to address why people like Stone and others obsess on certain people often used to create wedge issues. I sure don't want to spend all my time on this particular issues,and in fact I do not. This venue in no way constitutes 'all my time.'
Given your total lack of empathy for anyone in distress it is a good thing you also have no chance of affecting the other areas of your concern.
No. Stone has already surpassed the silly-honours test about his opinion. I am asking about YOUR work. Tell me why you engage such efforts.
Goatherder, please go back to LP and show yukon your stuff. Your comment was unnecessary on LF.
As long as you continue to violate boundaries I am obliged to make certain you are uncomfortable.
I shall be on LP later to help you.
Stone has already surpassed the silly-honours test about his opinion." A very strange and vague statement the above quote is. I am currently spending most my time with forestry and Occupy Eugene issues as far as real time goes. I am also involved with planning for a regional Rainbow Gathering that will occur in June. And I don't intend on being cross examined on my motives for activism, community work, why I went into the armed forces, etc. etc. etc. If you don't like any of that, that is fine with me.
Have a blast; nobody cares beyond kicking your ass out.
Have you watched your own "straw man" argument on this thread? You set Stone as a problem. But I didn't ask about Stone. I agree the Stone is beyond repair. But you are not. Now, you cast a similar perspective about my own questions. And look at at the response I receive: Looks like you don't know how to answer a simple question, Mike.
ROTFL.... yeah, yeah Goatherder.
Truly, there are so many other lunatics running around you just get lost in the noise.
Are you pointing fingers at yourself and certainly, the GAY OL' LP Alaskan Klub? After-all, you finally figured out how it was all performed didn't you? Was it an illuminating epiphany while you milked the goats in the barn?
Put it this way closet Ferret. If some queer goes in the restroom when my kids are in their. I will kill it. As in not breathing anymore. Is that clear enough for you freak?
Moderator X: eliminate the above post of Stone's violent outburst. I command you.
Try drinking Campari & Soda; it will restore your remaining 3 synapses.
No.
On weekends, I drink Red Breast. Best whiskey under the Sun. On weekdays, I drink Jameson. Second best whiskey under the Sun. What happened to you? Drinking goats milk?
buckeroo you have traveled the internet far and wide day and night for decades now. But apparently you don't pay attention or can't put two and two together. Anyone who has seen the ferrets picture should know this. Ferret Mike is passionate about transgenders because the ferret is a transgender. Quick someone fetch a pic to prove my point.
Makes sense.
Are you sure he isn't bi, rather than trans? What's the difference, anyway? It seems that their confusion, continues on into the terminology too. I'll probably regret asking.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
I better not be as AKA wishes me to be. If I were to stretch out my girlfriend's clothes or use her makeup she would be out for blood. Honestly Stone, you should go in and get your meds re-evaluated.
100% accurate. Not accurate.
You still crack me up.
Well, unlike yourself, I am not sucking upon a goat's teat in the barn out back of the home. That FACT draws a clear distinction between lamers such as yourself and me. I worry about you, harrowup. You have fallen for the weird, the bizarre, the strange ... meanwhile the government panders to your interests.
A great guy once said, ...apparently you don't pay attention or can't put two and two together.
Why are you here? Aren't you the leader of the LP Klown Posse in conjunction with the well-known notorious "yukon?" Why not give him some advise as opposed to playing around? Or do you want me to help your precious, "yukon" this evening?
Are you the hall monitor?
Are you begging me to appear on LP again? My, my ... how the
Whether you are here or at LP is of no import to me. You are free to make an ass of yourself wherever and whenever you so choose.
Are you the self-acclaimed defender of the "weird" or "strange" or the "bizarre" of human behavour? Your credentials for over a year are a testament towards your lack of interest in REAL governance. And: I want to make a clear perspective with you. You are here to fuck around to draw me towards your liberal chit-chat channel this evening. I don't have time ,, maybe later.
Sorry to deflate your ego, but there are bigger fish to fry than you; two of them are relatively sane. You? Not so much.
I'm no expert on the subject and don't pretend to be, but what I've learned has come from experience dealing with friends and family members. You have a tendency to read up on the subject so you have some understanding on how to deal with them... The first thing you learn is there are no hard and fast rules that apply to every situation and every person..... Some mental problems are hereditary, some come about by traumatic experiences, some by physical damage to the body, some are caused by lack of certain chemicals in the body or by introduction of chemicals into the body, stress.. etc...etc... (there are more but this is enough to get the point across)... Some problems can be fixed by a psychiatrist, some can be fixed by medications and some "can't be fixed" at all... Some can start out as a small issue and gradually get worse.... (I think I read somewhere that Ted Bundy had a spider phobia as a child and we all know where that one ended up going..... I think I also read that finding out he was an illegitimate child was what set him off).... Some can start out as a major issue and gradually get better over time..... and some disappear completely.... My point is mental problems can be unpredictable to say the least so to say that the "Veg-o-Matic" is the cure all to these peoples problems is.... well lets just say I'm highly sceptical...... And to say that the ones who go thru that procedure are totally safe to be around is also innacurate, you never know what might transpire......
Leftardism/Liberalism: The chickenschitt way to deal with life’s problems by creating solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before and then having to find a solution to that one…
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestIf they are just beginning to remedy what always was a serious problem to them because they have always known the gender role of their physicality did not fit them,
#15. To: Ferret Mike (#13)
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If they are just beginning to remedy what always was a serious problem to them because they have always known the gender role of their physicality did not fit them
#16. To: CZ82 (#15)
#17. To: Ferret Mike (#16)
#18. To: Murron (#14)
#19. To: buckeroo (#17)
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"I have a single question. How do you know so much about transgenders?"
#20. To: Ferret Mike (#19)
#21. To: buckeroo (#20)
#22. To: Ferret Mike (#21)
Hope this gives you better background of the context of the places I have worked and am still involved with.
#23. To: buckeroo (#22)
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#24. To: buckeroo, Ferret Mike (#22)
What about the undeclared wars? The debt? The serious issues of unequivocal voting rights given to illegals swarming our borders and modifying the nature of what was once the greatest nation on the planet?
#25. To: Ferret Mike (#23)
You also need to address why people like Stone and others obsess on certain people often used to create wedge issues.
#26. To: harrowup (#24)
Given your total lack of empathy for anyone in distress it is a good thing you also have no chance of affecting the other areas of your concern.
#27. To: buckeroo (#26)
#28. To: harrowup (#27)
As long as you continue to violate boundaries I am obliged to make certain you are uncomfortable.
#29. To: buckeroo (#25)
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"No.
#30. To: buckeroo (#28)
I shall be on LP later to help you.
#31. To: Ferret Mike (#29)
A very strange and vague statement the above quote is.
I am currently spending most my time with forestry and occupy Eugene issues as far as real time goes. I am also involved with planning for a regional Rainbow Gathering that will occur in June.
And I don't intend on being cross examined on my motives for activism, community work, why I went into the armed forces, etc. etc. etc.
If you don't like any of that, that is fine with me.
#32. To: harrowup (#30)
#33. To: buckeroo (#32)
#34. To: harrowup (#33)
#35. To: Ferret Mike (#16)
#36. To: A K A Stone, Moderator X (#35)
I will kill it.
#37. To: buckeroo (#34)
...dyslexic gibberish...
#38. To: buckeroo (#36)
I command you.
#39. To: harrowup (#37)
#40. To: buckeroo, murron, cz82, ferret mike (#36)
#41. To: A K A Stone (#40)
Ferret Mike is passionate about transgenders because the ferret is a transgender.
#42. To: A K A Stone, ferret mike, *Yukon neo-Progressive Vermin* (#40)
the ferret is a transgender
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#43. To: hondo68, A K A Stone (#42)
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#44. To: A K A Stone, buckeroo, Murron, CZ82, Ferret Mike (#40)
buckeroo you have traveled the internet far and wide day and night for decades now. But apparently you don't pay attention or can't put two and two together.
Anyone who has seen the ferrets picture should know this. Ferret Mike is passionate about transgenders because the ferret is a transgender.
#45. To: A K A Stone (#35)
If some queer goes in the restroom when my kids are in their [sic]. I will kill it.
#46. To: harrowup (#44)
100% accurate.
#47. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone (#46)
...dyslexic gibberish...
#48. To: harrowup (#47)
#49. To: buckeroo (#48)
Why are you here?
#50. To: harrowup (#49)
admiral goatherder has fallen.
#51. To: buckeroo (#50)
#52. To: harrowup (#51)
Whether you are here or at LP is of no import to me.
#53. To: buckeroo (#52)
You are here to fuck around to draw me towards your liberal chit-chat channel this evening.
#54. To: Ferret Mike (#16)
And you are practicing psychiatry without a license, and speaking of people whom you have no idea if you know one. You really should talk to someone dealing with such issues, or those providing treatment for some of your questions. They can give better answers, and if this issue bothers you so much, you really should do that.
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