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Title: DOJ pressures university to allow 38-year old man access to women’s restrooms
Source: TDC.com
URL Source: http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/23/d ... an-access-to-womens-restrooms/
Published: May 25, 2012
Author: Caroline May
Post Date: 2012-05-25 16:11:27 by CZ82
Keywords: None
Views: 23077
Comments: 72

DOJ pressures university to allow 38-year old man access to women’s restrooms

Published: 11:03 PM 05/23/2012, By Caroline May

Watch out, you ladies at the University of Arkansas at Fort Smith: Those feet under the stall next to you might just belong to a 38-year-old man.

Despite opposition from female students, UAFS has decided on “advice of counsel” to allow a 38-year-old anatomically-male, transgendered student access to the women’s bathrooms on campus.

According to a report from the conservative Campus Reform, the university decided to reverse its transgender policy after receiving a letter from the Department of Justice. The school’s initial solution was to allow the man to use gender-neutral bathrooms instead of the women’s restrooms, and to offer to convert more bathrooms into gender-neutral areas.

“Because of the stance we took, the individual filed a complaint with the Office of Civil Rights in the Department of Justice,” Mark Horn, vice president of university relations, told Campus Reform.

Jennifer Braly, the 38-year-old male student who was not satisfied with the university’s policy, filed a complaint with the Justice Department and sued.

“I am frustrated and highly depressed about all of these unfair restrictions,” Braly explained in an online appeal for sex-change surgery donations. “I live as a woman full time and have been for a year and a half now. I have natural breast development bigger than some normal girls from the hormone treatment. The only thing restricting me is what’s between my legs. Everyone is so concerned with what’s between my legs. I am just as much woman as anyone else.”

According to Campus Reform’s interview with Horn, it was a letter from the Department of Justice that led to the bathroom policy change that allows Braly to use women’s restrooms.

“[T]he office of civil rights basically made its expectations through the attorney and the decision was made to respond to that direction,” Horn said. “[T]he DOJ complaint caused revisiting of our thinking. … In the eyes of the law, this individual [Braly] is entitled to use the bathroom that she identifies with.”

Neither DOJ nor UAFS have released the letter in question. DOJ explained to Campus Reform that the records “pertain to a currently active Civil Rights Division enforcement and access to the records should therefore be denied pursuant to 5 U.S.C. § 552(b)(7)(A) since disclosure thereof could reasonably be expected to interfere with Civil Rights Division enforcement proceedings.”


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The school’s initial solution was to allow the man to use gender-neutral bathrooms instead of the women’s restrooms, and to offer to convert more bathrooms into gender-neutral areas.---- What they should do is refuse to do anything at all and let the "IT" find it's own place to go to the bathroom.... Preferably at home where "IT" belongs....

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#2. To: CZ82 (#0)

She should be allowed to use the woman's rest room because that is exactly what she is. Women like her have no interest in being predatory when they prefer the opposite sex as partners. And anyone taking say Premarin estrogens conjugated and an androgen blocker like say spironolactone can't preform sexually like a man anyway.

It is unavoidable to have people do a period before surgical correction is done, as it is crucial to be very sure they are indeed transgender, as once someone's genitalia have been reshaped, breast implants given and a bilateral orchiectomy is preformed, there is no going back.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-26   0:14:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Ferret Mike (#2)

She should be allowed to use the woman's rest room because that is exactly what she is. Women like her have no interest in being predatory when they prefer the opposite sex as partners. And anyone taking say Premarin estrogens conjugated and an androgen blocker like say spironolactone can't preform sexually like a man anyway.

It is unavoidable to have people do a period before surgical correction is done, as it is crucial to be very sure they are indeed transgender, as once someone's genitalia have been reshaped, breast implants given and a bilateral orchiectomy is preformed, there is no going back.

My that was a mouthful, irrelevant but surely a mouthful.....

I wonder if he/she could sell it's spare parts to Chaz??? Chaz seems to be missing the appropriate "appendages" to be able to do the urinal experience!!! Also seems to be lacking enough sense on how to run it's life too!!! I wonder how much prodding from Cher had to do with making that situation/mess a reality???? (shaking head slowly back and forth)......

CZ82  posted on  2012-05-26   8:21:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: CZ82 (#4)

Chaz's life is more complete in the role his brain is differentiated for.

I'm sorry you suffer so badly from the affliction of bigotry you feel society has to prevent the only treatments that correct the problems when the human brain develops one way, and the body another.

Until this problem can be detected and remedied prenatally by understanding the development process and developing the means to detect this and remedy if this is at all possible, it earlier in the development of the baby in a mother's womb, the best treatments will always be to remedy this with the current methods of treatments that are used today.

It hurts no one to make people's lives richer by the means of current treatment protocols. And no one should be forced to suffer merely to appease the disease of hatred and intolerance people like you suffer from.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-26   14:17:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Ferret Mike (#9) (Edited)

Chaz's life is more complete in the role his brain is differentiated for.

I'm sorry you suffer so badly from the affliction of bigotry you feel society has to prevent the only treatments that correct the problems when the human brain develops one way, and the body another.

Until this problem can be detected and remedied prenatally by understanding the development process and developing the means to detect this and remedy if this is at all possible, it earlier in the development of the baby in a mother's womb, the best treatments will always be to remedy this with the current methods of treatments that are used today.

It hurts no one to make people's lives richer by the means of current treatment protocols. And no one should be forced to suffer merely to appease the disease of hatred and intolerance people like you suffer from.

Wow, you dropped "3" overused AND irrelevant cards again, all in 1 paragraph.... that must be a record!!! You could have just said that I was disgusted and you would have been 100% accurate..... Not disgusted about their obvious mental problems but disgusted in the way in which they addressed them... The simple solution is usually the best solution, but then again the doctors don't make near as much money, do they...... and it doesn't make those who want to expand the gay population happy either....

By the way what proof is there that these surgical procedures actually work????? They were messed up in the head before AND after the treatments, doesn't seem like they work too well.. Sounds like a good nut cracker and some meds would reap better results... ($5 says what few credible psyches there are left in the APA would agree with that)..... simple is better.....

CZ82  posted on  2012-05-26   17:37:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: CZ82 (#11)

They are the ones who have to be comfortable in their bodies, not you or me. People trying to fit into the gender role they self identify as are no danger in the rest room.

I have known transgender people before and after their physical problems were addressed and if they were comfortable and happier -- and they contently seem to be flourishing better then they did, that was all I care about.

I think transvestites which are those fully wishing to be male and are merely cross dressing for whatever particular reason they wish to need to keep out of the ladies room; but if someone has changed the gender marker on their ID or license and live as the gender they feel they are, they should be left alone.

If they are just beginning to remedy what always was a serious problem to them because they have always known the gender role of their physicality did not fit them, then they should also be considerate enough to discuss the issue in restaurants, coffee shops and other places they go to to be considerate of the feelings of others, but tbeir right to use the restroom of choice should always be respected.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-27   5:54:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Ferret Mike (#13) (Edited)

If they are just beginning to remedy what always was a serious problem to them because they have always known the gender role of their physicality did not fit them

You seem to be skirting the real issue here, their obvious mental problems!! Why is that??

People that have mental problems can be dangerous to others much less themselves..

CZ82  posted on  2012-05-27   11:27:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: CZ82 (#15)

And you are practicing psychiatry without a license, and speaking of people whom you have no idea if you know one. You really should talk to someone dealing with such issues, or those providing treatment for some of your questions. They can give better answers, and if this issue bothers you so much, you really should do that.

I like you can only offer opinions and discuss the issue. you really should look at how the process that has been developed to deal with gender issues. The people helped by treating gender dysphoria they suffer from lead happier, and more complete lives then they would of being told to stoically suffer.

People who are physically brought to where their minds are in terms of gender are always grateful and are far better off then those made to suffer. I am for treating people younger, even to the point androgen blockers are given to sufferers before they differential and develop Secondary sex characteristics.

Places like Thailand which is more tolerant of gender issues has shown that when people do what they need to do to treat this condition when younger are far better off. More, not less countries are becoming resonate with that truth and improving treatment of gender problems, not less. And this trend is going to continue.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-27   14:01:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Ferret Mike (#16)

From your #2 post coupled with your above defensive post, I have a single question. How do you know so much about transgenders? This is weird stuff.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-05-27   14:04:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: buckeroo (#17) (Edited)

"I have a single question. How do you know so much about transgenders?"

I have worked for 'Food for Lane County,' and White Bird Clinic as a Cahoots and front desk person here in my community. I know transgender people and seen how treatment of it has helped them. Because my work agreement involves confidentiality issues, I cannot talk about people in particular in a way that is recognizable.

I can't go there any farther then that.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-27   14:18:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Ferret Mike (#19)

I want to know why YOU care about these circus strange freaks. Certainly, you can elaborate. Especially now, that you have suggested that you have laboured for them.

Look at it this way: no breach of confidentiality at all.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-05-27   14:33:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: buckeroo (#20)

I've talked before on 4UM about my job at Food For Lane County, and I've made many past references to working the front desk at White Bird Clinic. I have not only done forest activism, but have done volunteer work that turned into jobs.

If a homeless transgender person comes into the clinic, or is the focus of Cahoots call, it is not my job to make value judgment like you express here on them.

Remember too, Eugene is extremely liberal, a counterculture enclave, and a place where transgender people are protected in job, housing, and discrimination issues.

For example, if someone verbally or physically assaults a transgender client at St. Vincent De Paul's Service Station that caters to the homeless, they will be trespassed and banned from the property. They will only warn once.

Hope this gives you better background of the context of the places I have worked and am still involved with.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-27   14:54:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Ferret Mike (#21)

Hope this gives you better background of the context of the places I have worked and am still involved with.

No.

I want to understand your interest is all. There are many areas of personal ideology about political interest other than freaks of society. What about the undeclared wars? The debt? The serious issues of unequivocal voting rights given to illegals swarming our borders and modifying the nature of what was once the greatest nation on the planet?

Instead, you donate time and energy for the well-spring of social misfits. Why is that?

buckeroo  posted on  2012-05-27   15:02:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: buckeroo, Ferret Mike (#22)

What about the undeclared wars? The debt? The serious issues of unequivocal voting rights given to illegals swarming our borders and modifying the nature of what was once the greatest nation on the planet?

Given your total lack of empathy for anyone in distress it is a good thing you also have no chance of affecting the other areas of your concern.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-27   15:22:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: harrowup (#24)

Given your total lack of empathy for anyone in distress it is a good thing you also have no chance of affecting the other areas of your concern.

Goatherder, please go back to LP and show yukon your stuff. Your comment was unnecessary on LF.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-05-27   15:24:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: buckeroo (#26)

As long as you continue to violate boundaries I am obliged to make certain you are uncomfortable.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-27   15:27:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: harrowup (#27)

As long as you continue to violate boundaries I am obliged to make certain you are uncomfortable.

I shall be on LP later to help you.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-05-27   15:29:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: buckeroo (#28)

I shall be on LP later to help you.

Have a blast; nobody cares beyond kicking your ass out.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-27   15:43:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: harrowup (#30)

ROTFL.... yeah, yeah Goatherder.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-05-27   15:45:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: buckeroo (#32)

Truly, there are so many other lunatics running around you just get lost in the noise.

harrowup  posted on  2012-05-27   15:48:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#34. To: harrowup (#33)

Are you pointing fingers at yourself and certainly, the GAY OL' LP Alaskan Klub? After-all, you finally figured out how it was all performed didn't you? Was it an illuminating epiphany while you milked the goats in the barn?

buckeroo  posted on  2012-05-27 15:55:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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