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Title: Obama team trumpets new polling on gay marriage
Source: AP
URL Source: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap ... 46fc7c6cfd4cfc90e3f659765e97df
Published: May 23, 2012
Author: JULIE PACE
Post Date: 2012-05-23 17:23:21 by Ferret Mike
Keywords: None
Views: 14431
Comments: 46

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama's re-election campaign is beginning to express some confidence that the president's historic, yet politically risky, embrace of gay marriage may not hurt him in the November election.

In a conference call announcing efforts to get gay and lesbian voters engaged in the Obama campaign, officials said poll numbers on same-sex marriage were increasingly tilting in their favor.

"A lot of recent polls show that support for gay marriage across the country is growing," said Clo Ewing, an Obama campaign spokeswoman.

That includes a Washington Post-ABC News poll out Wednesday showing 53 percent of Americans say gay marriage should be a legal, a new high for the poll. Thirty-nine percent, a new low, say gay marriage should be illegal.

A separate poll showed that just 7 percent of registered voters said Obama's public support for gay marriage raised concerns about supporting him. For 31 percent of voters, the president's announcement reinforced their support of him and for 62 percent of voters, it did not make a difference, according to the NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll.

Immediately following Obama's announcement of support for gay marriage, White House and campaign aides readily acknowledged that the political fallout was unclear. Obama himself said it was "very hard to say" whether the issue would hurt him in his fall campaign against presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney.

Despite the new national polling, Obama's embrace of gay marriage comes with political risks. Thirty states have voted against gay marriage, including North Caroline, a key battleground state where voters approved a ban on same-sex unions the day before Obama announced his public support in a television interview.

The president's announcement earlier this month ended his lengthy self-described "evolution" on the hot-button social issue. While the White House insisted Obama always planned to make his views on gay marriage known this summer, some aides worried that doing so could hurt him politically with socially conservative voters in swing states, like Virginia and North Carolina.

Other Obama aides see the president's support for same-sex marriage as an opportunity to boost enthusiasm and fundraising among gay supporters and young people. With that in mind, the Obama campaign has sought to turn the president's embrace of gay marriage into an area of contrast with Romney, highlighting the former Massachusetts governor's support for a constitutional amendment banning same-sex unions.

"Romney's position on same-sex marriage is also historic but not in the way it should be," said Joe Solmonese, a co-chair of Obama's campaign. "He has pledged to write discrimination into the constitution."

The Obama campaign also announced a new effort Wednesday to boost voter registration and turnout in the gay and lesbian community through phone banks, house parties and other grassroots outreach efforts.

Follow Julie Pace at http://twitter.com/jpaceDC.

Copyright © 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

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#1. To: Ferret Mike (#0)

Also breaking at this hour more and more Germans are supporting Jews being rounded up and gassed. Oops that is old news but kind of the same.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-05-23   17:32:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: A K A Stone (#1)

Also breaking at this hour more and more Germans are supporting Jews being rounded up and gassed.

Oops that is old news

Not really, some of the Jew haters at LF would probably like to see just that!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-05-23   17:47:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: CZ82, A K A Stone (#2) (Edited)

Actually Stone, most Germans were kept in the dark on the extermination phase of the final solution. The rank and file Nazi or German just knew there was blame games, oppression and prosecution going on.

When the Allied forces mad ethe German citizens go to the death camps to see what their hateful policies had wrought, most were sickened and horrified at what they saw.

Blaming Jews as guilty of working for the downfall of civilization was a destructive game the German Nazis played, and it deservedly got them put into the dustbin of history.

Which is something hate mongers going after homosexuality should take note of. Their hatred and desire to destroy their particular group they scapegoat in the same fashion is ultimately going to get them nowhere too.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-23   18:05:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Ferret Mike (#3)

Which is something hate mongers going after homosexuality should take note of. Their hatred and desire to destroy their particular group they scapegoat in the same fashion is ultimately going to get them nowhere too.

Comparing Gays to Jews is like trying to compare a wood shed to a Cadillac, no similarity whatsoever!!!!

Most people would absolutely care less about the gays if they went about their peversion quietly in their own homes.... But since that's not the case (in fact it's the opposite most of the time) most people have grown tired of their contortions, intolerance, exhibitionism and illusory superiority!!!!

Oh by the way if my stepmother (a German Jew who managed to survive for 12 years in Hitlers Germany) was still alive she would disagree with your opinion that most Germans were cluless as to what was going on with the Jews... The only reason she managed to survive the war was because people "knew" and did whatever they could to help her and others just like her.....

CZ82  posted on  2012-05-24   7:14:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: CZ82 (#14)

Nobody has to hide for the minor fact about them such as their sexual orientation. There is not a damn thing wrong with homosexuality.

If someone discriminates against someone for being gay, they should be able to take legal action against them for it, be it for job discrimination, the right to marry so they can't be kept out of their loved one's room by intolerant blood relatives of him or her, or to go after an employer for bothering them with something that is very normative human traits to protect their jobs.

In Eugene, Oregon, one cannot discriminate against people for jobs, housing or any harassment in a public place. I helped a friend by testifying for them when they were fired from their job because I heard and saw his rights being violated.

He got his job back and his employer had to pay damages to him. That is how the system should work. I have no sympathy for you because of the disease of hatred and intolerance you suffer from.

You really need to get your head out of your forth point of contact and wake up.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-24   9:21:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Ferret Mike, CZ82, A K A Stone (#16) (Edited)

"There is not a damn thing wrong with homosexuality."

You are so wrong!

Since you actually believe you have no God that you will eventually have to answer to for your sins, I'll leave HIM out of it, this time. If todays 'radical' homosexuals did not interfere with families, their children, our health, and this enconomy, and Civil Rights you think we don't have, no one would give a rats ass what you screwed in private, but privacy is not what they want, they are not satisfied with just committing their perversion in private, they want to shove it down the throats of everyone in the world and force them like it, or else, and that's just not going to happen without a BLOODY FIGHT! ~ jmho!

"Caving into the homosexual agenda will lead to the radical marginalization of those who oppose homosexual practice (that's me) and, ultimately, the criminalization of opposition to homosexual behavior.

Homosexual activism represents the greatest threat to civil and religious liberties for our children. At stake are such things as: mandatory indoctrination of our children in all school systems, public and accredited private, from kindergarten on, through convocations, skits, videos, workshops, and teacher instruction; loss of one’s job if one does not sign a statement saying that one “values sexual orientation differences”; mandatory workplace attendance of “Gay Pride” events and “Coming Out” celebrations; fines and even imprisonment for speaking out against homosexual practice, even in church services; having one’s children taken out of one’s own home for teaching “homophobic” ideas or, if one’s child professes a homoerotic proclivity, for “child abuse”; loss of accreditation of all Christian colleges and even seminaries that cannot prove “non-discrimination” in the hiring practices towards “gays and lesbians” or that permit any faculty to speak or publish in a manner critical of homosexual behavior per se; and refusal of colleges and universities to admit any students who do not sign statements affirming the value of homoerotic relationships."

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As a Christian, I agree with the biblical condemnation of the homosexual lifestyle. However, we are living in a nation and world that increasingly rejects biblical norms. To defend traditional sexual morality against the encroaching threat of homosexuality and other aberrant forms of sexual expression, we need to be able to do more than cite Bible verses. Fortunately, there are plenty of economic reasons for being against this lifestyle and I think as conservatives we need to be able to articulate why our nation cannot afford the extremely high financial costs of this lifestyle at a time when we are confronting dangerously high budget deficits, national debt, and personal debt.

Let's start with AIDS. U.S. Government expenditures on this disease have risen from $200,000 in Fiscal Year 1980-1981 to $23.3 billion for Fiscal Year 2008. These figures have increased steadily over nearly three decades and probably exceed $100 billion. When you factor in what countries all over the world have spent on seeking to diminish this disease, without recognizing the morally aberrant sexual behavior (including heterosexual promiscuity in Africa and elsewhere) causing its spread, we are probably looking at U.S. expenditures of over $1 trillion dollars. I can't even begin to calculate the potential global expenditures on this. Think of how much constructively such money could have been spent on public health issues such as improved sanitation, immunizations, and other more worthwhile programs instead of promoting immoral and self- destructive behavior through needle exchanges and widespread condom distribution. The money invested on AIDS research could be returned to taxpayers or transferred to more worthwhile areas of public health research such as cancer, heart disease, combating pandemic conditions like H1N1 flu, and promoting responsible sexual behavior such as monogamy within heterosexual marriage.

Our ongoing U.S. political debate over health care reform also needs to factor in the economic costs of homosexual and other sexually deviant behaviors on our health care system in terms of pharmaceutical drugs, tainted blood supplies, and requiring doctors and nurses to treat sexually transmitted diseases which would be less likely to occur if people practiced chastity outside of heterosexual marriage and monogamy within such marriage. As human beings, we are actually capable of such restraint. Anyone who studies prison conditions knows that AIDS is a reality in many correctional facilities due to the occurrence of rape. I'm not sure how systematically the Justice Dept's Bureau of Justice Statistics keeps track of prison rape statistics or other instances of same sex sexual assault, but that also has economic implications not to mention the psychological trauma experienced by all rape victims. I have seen one Bureau of Justice Statistics study indicating that 90% of prison rapes are from male on male sexual activity. This particular problem was serious enough to cause Congress to pass legislation in 2003 creating a Prison Rape Elimination Commission which issued its report earlier this year. The presence of sex offender registries, which require significant law enforcement staff time and expense to update and maintain, is another demonstration of the high economic costs of sexually deviant behavior. The sad practice of so many companies and universities adopting domestic partner benefits in a misguided effort to attract employees drives up insurance costs for these companies and prevents them from providing additional coverage to those of us adhering to traditional sexual moral standards. It also requires these companies to pass on the costs of their goods and services beyond normal inflationary trends. Additionally, it also probably makes it more difficult for them to expand their businesses and create additional jobs in an economy coping with near double digit unemployment rates. The 2002 Corporate Resource Councils study Do Domestic Partner Benefits Make Good Sense? (available on their website (www.corporateresourcescouncil.org/) demonstrates that such investments are counterproductive to good business sense for most employers and that it's more economical for employers to promote healthy employee marriages because married employees are generally more dependable and motivated workers.

The homosexual lifestyle also affects areas such as life insurance, estate planning, real estate, divorce law if same-sex marriage occurs on a widespread basis, and investments as firms providing these services have to factor in how to treat same sex domestic partner issues into their cost calculations. Guess who has to pay for these increased costs and potentially lower investment returns? We do, regardless of whether or not we approve of the homosexual lifestyle. The next time some one tells you how wonderful is the "progress" gays have made in recent decades ask them if they have ever thought about the multiple economic consequences of this "progress" as described in this posting.

They are substantive realities which cannot be denied.

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Murron  posted on  2012-05-25   9:31:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#23. To: Murron (#22) (Edited)

The views of Dr. Robert Gagnon and others are biased and comparing them to well done research that has been vetted and has helped stop much of the unwarranted bigotry directed against gays and lesbians is no rebuttal that has any weight to it.

Besides, by posting a lengthly post entirely of online material instead of a link and using quotes to back you your own words on the topic, you just display the fact you know little on the topic yourself.

If you were truly informed on the issue, you would then be able to pen your own views instead of ding a crutch of a laundry list post.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-25 09:45:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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