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Title: Documents Show Cops Believed Trayvon Martin Killing Was ‘Ultimately Avoidable’
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Published: May 17, 2012
Author: Nick R. Martin
Post Date: 2012-05-17 23:38:50 by Brian S
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The killing of Trayvon Martin was “ultimately avoidable” if George Zimmerman had just stayed in his vehicle instead of pursuing the unarmed teen, Florida police investigators concluded in one of a series of reports on the case released late Thursday. Instead, the Sanford Police Department investigators wrote, Zimmerman confronted the teen, ended up in a struggle and eventually shot him in the chest. In the end, Martin was dead and police were recommending the neighborhood watchman be brought up on a criminal charge of manslaughter. The conclusions came to light on Thursday as part of a huge release of evidence by the Florida prosecutors who later performed their own investigation and charged Zimmerman with the more serious crime of second-degree murder. Totaling 183 pages, the heavily redacted documents include police narratives, witness interviews, autopsy reports and photos of Zimmerman bloodied after the Feb. 26 struggle. “The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman,” the report said, “if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement, or conversely if he had identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialogue in an effort to dispel each party’s concern. There is no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter.” The documents [PDF] were obtained by several news outlets, including NBC News, which put them online Thursday. The investigators’ conclusions were in a document dated March 13. Zimmerman wasn’t charged until April 11 after special prosecutor Angela Corey was assigned to the case by Florida Gov. Rick Scott. By then, the killing was already the focus of international attention and outrage. Previously, Zimmerman has said he believed the teen looked “suspicious” as he crossed through the gated neighborhood in Sanford, Fla. Zimmerman called 911 at the time but ignored the requests of a police dispatcher who told him not to pursue the teen. Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to the second-degree murder charge, claiming he acted in self defense, saying Martin attacked him first and he had to shoot him to save his own life.
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#1. To: Brian S (#0)
Let us place a placid, non-interested social-political political as I have one: DON"T FUCKIN WALK AROUND IN A HOODY IN A NEIGHBOURHOOD that is not within YOUR OWN characteristics. The world is based on agreement.
It is all going to come down to...why did zimmer get out of his vehicle?
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
The guy was sanctioned in the "hood" ; Zimmerman was performing his year ol' walk. I know that the GREAT GAWD PRESIDENT begged for "Trayvon" as his own progeny or only begotten son. Hey, Brian ... don't FUCK with me.
He was looking for a house number to give the cops a better description of where he was. Why did you get out of your car, looking for trouble, thinking of shooting someone? I got out of my car because I was home, no one started beating on me, so no shots were fired.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
It would have been even more avoidable had the little nigra boy kept his hands to himself.
Virtually every death not caused by old age or disease is "ultimately avoidable". Every car accident is avoidable if the victim(s) weren't driving. And so on. What a big nothing. Your article wasn't even worth the click, let alone the keystrokes I have expended to inform you of how worthless your article was.
Avoidable shit happens everyday in our lives, we roll the dice and take our chances, who's to say Martin would not have been eating hot lead if the cops had been called out (if they showed at all)? The cops in New Yawk were called out to look into the (so called) suspicious activities of Amadou Diallo, an unarmed African immigrant, in the lobby of his own appartment building, those trigger happy bastards let loose with a fusillade of 41 bullets, but only 19 shots hit their target. I can only imagine how many times the cops would have reloaded if Diallo had actucally punched one of them and slammed their heads on the sidewalk.... FK the cops, their just a bunch of retarded neanderthals who couldn't take out a 5 lb chihuahua without backup. jmho!
"A friend will calm you down when you are angry, but a best friend will skip beside you with a baseball bat singing, "someone's gonna get it"
Bull. The cops came across Diallo standing in front of his building and *thought* that he matched the description of what turned out to be a non-existent serial rapist. Their dynamic assault - screeching tires, jumping out of the car guns pulled, scared Diallo so badly that he ran up the steps to his building, stopped on command, and turned while getting his wallet...meanwhile, when Cowboy #1 reached the top of the steps he slipped and fell and Cowboys 2, 3 and 4, believing he had been shot, opened fire. An NYPD investigation determined that it was okay to kill someone if one of the cops slips and falls while the person is getting his wallet.
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
Fix IN
Where's the receipt for the Skittles?
But a lowly citizen can't do the same, even if his nose is broken and his skull is fractured.
...after pursuing and confronting someone agressively? Sure he can...but he can't expect any legal protection for doing so... And if you're referring to george Zimmerman...he did not have a factured skull and his *broken* nose is actually a common deformation...his septum was slightly displaced...which it could have been prior...
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
How do you know he confronted him aggressively? We don't know that Z confronted him aggressively. He could have been totally polite about it. but he can't expect any legal protection for doing so... I don't know. I guess we'll see.
There is an earwitness to the confrontation and we know from the 911 tape that he was fairly agitated and we know from witness statememts that people were heard yelling. One witness reported two men wrestling by his back porch. This asshole stays in his truck and everyone goes home happy. And, btw, the Zimmerman camp states that there were no words exchanged and that Trayvon *jumped* and threatened his shooter.
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
As long as someone looked into it.
. How's your ceiling?
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
It hasn't changed. I keep looking up at it. Haven't crawled up there to look yet. lol
. We know someone was agitated. From what I've heard and read, it's not been proven who it was. Do you have a link to that info? Just remember, "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law". Once all the evidence is presented, if Zimmerman is convicted, I won't have a problem with it. I just hate the Nancy Graceing of a person who hasn't been convicted and is still presumed innocent. This asshole stays in his truck and everyone goes home happy. As far as I know, there's no law against getting out of your truck to go talk to someone. And, btw, the Zimmerman camp states that there were no words exchanged and that Trayvon *jumped* and threatened his shooter. We must be reading about two different cases.
How about the guy who said this? "These assholes ALWAYS get away...fuckin' punks..."
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
There isn't. We know that "(going) to talk to him" isn't why he got out of his truck. What we do know is that he didn't want Trayvon to get away and so he started chasing after him. My money says that he probably had his gun drawn, btw...that's the basis for an assault, btw. We must be reading about two different cases. Feel free to quote anyone from the Zimmerman camp who stated that anyone other than Trayvon said anything...
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
That's not proof, beyond a reasonable doubt, of murder.
I have to say, I really expected you to be more level headed about this. You seem to have absolutely no doubt of his guilt and he's yet to even go to trial.
That's not what it was offered as.
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
I have four children who used to routinely walk places. Some of them wore hoodies when doing so. This kid was doing nothing more than walking home with Skittles for his little brother when Paulito Blart once again tried to assume his role of hero. It would not surprise me if a lot of the Sanford cops considered this guy the neighborhood joke. I do go back and forth on whether or not Zimmerman had the depraved indifference necessary to justify a 2nd degree murder conviction. The homicide was most certainly avoidable therefore unjustifiable to a minimal point of manslaughter.
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
He wasn't shot because he was walking. He was shot because he was attacking. What about the broken nose and scalp lacerations? Those are absolute evidence. Is that Zimmerman's fault because he got out to talk to a guy? If you walked up to me and asked me what I was doing, and that pissed me off to the point where I attacked you, broke your nose and caused lacerations in your scalp, do you have the right to self defense or not? The answer is yes, you do. If there is any reasonable doubt whatsoever, Zimmerman should walk, and I believe he will.
Ebonics ! They don't see - hear right any more ! All of their tin foil is receptors - implants for their neocom esoteric babbling dissertations ! They get special decoder invisible glasses that turn reality off - all the dnc race - class paranioa on high !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
He was shot because he was What rights did Trayvon Martin have in those last few moments of his life?
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
His broken nose could have been an existing deviated septum and the "lacerations" were described as minor cuts with minor bleeding. I've seen the pics. I've done worse TO myself shaving. If you walked up to me and asked me what I was doing, Feel free to link me to any evidence that the shooter *walked up* to Trayvon an said, "Excuse me sir...may I ask what you are doing here?" Why was Trayvon Martion *suspicious*? How many other people did Zimmerman encounter on his way to Target who weren't and why not?
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
I've done silhouette ranges where you had to practice target discrimination. In order to get to the quickest and most accurate score where you hit the targets of innocent people less or not at all, one has to deal with any lingering resentments to not let personal feelings make you react in a way you ultimately will regret. He would not have been so fast to shoot if it had been a white or Hispanic kid on him. In fact, he would of probably either left them alone in the first place if that were so, or handle the situation of confronting them much better. This guy reacted wrongly in the heat of the moment as well as got himself in a situation he is the main instigator of. Unfortunately for him, he was pushing the teenager who reacted to his personal envelope being breached by someone with an obvious attitude and negative assumptions about him. If he had left the kid to his phone chat with his girlfriend be, none of this would of happened. Having gotten himself in that mess. he should of had enough insight to see that and not be so fast to use deadly force.
Hello war. www.thesmokinggun.com/bus...-zimmerman-witness-758903 A witness told Florida cops that he saw Trayvon Martin straddling George Zimmerman and pummeling the neighborhood watch captain “MMA style” shortly before the unarmed teen was felled by a gunshot to the chest. The witness’s account was included in Sanford Police Department reports released today. Interviewed by cops about 90 minutes after the shooting, the witness--whose name was redacted from police documents--said that he was inside his home when he heard a “commotion coming from the walk way” behind his residence. The man recalled seeing “a black male, wearing a dark colored ‘hoodie’ on top of a white or Hispanic male who was yelling for help.” The black male, he added, “was mounted on the white or Hispanic male and throwing punches ‘MMA (mixed martial arts) style.'” The witness--who was in his living room and about 30 feet away from the confrontation-- said he called out to the two men that he was dialing 911. “He then heard a ‘pop,’” police reported, and saw the black male “laid out on the grass.”
the w a r people - angela corey - are smoking crack - ecstasy !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
you'll see more of dwarf's postings here if you continue using "woodie" stuff like the above wording.
(posting anything TO Brain Shit is pointless....rather posting derisively AT him makes sense)
The act of getting out of one's car does not justify assault and attempted murder.
Trayvon was in a gated neighborhood, and he didn't live there. How did he get into the gsted neighborhood? Why hasn't this question been asked?
How did he get into the gated neighborhood? Why hasn't this question been asked? It probably has and has been promptly ignored by the local officials and especially the MSM.... Can't have the truth getting out now can we, that would defeat the purpose of Leftards playing the race card..... From some of the posts on this thread I would say someone thinks exactly that, race played a part in it....
Leftardism/Liberalism: The chickenschitt way to deal with life’s problems by creating solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before and then having to find a solution to that one…
How did he get into the gsted neighborhood? Why hasn't this question been asked? Wasn't that already asked and answered when it was reported Trayvon was staying at his fathers fiance's house.
The cops came across Diallo standing in front of his building and *thought* that he matched the description of what turned out to be a non-existent serial rapist. Their dynamic assault - screeching tires, jumping out of the car guns pulled, scared Diallo so badly that he ran up the steps to his building, stopped on command, and turned while getting his wallet...meanwhile, when Cowboy #1 reached the top of the steps he slipped and fell and Cowboys 2, 3 and 4, believing he had been shot, opened fire. An NYPD investigation determined that it was okay to kill someone if one of the cops slips and falls while the person is getting his wallet. I'm not sure, but I think you and I pretty much said the same thing, just in our own way, I agree with you.
"A friend will calm you down when you are angry, but a best friend will skip beside you with a baseball bat singing, "someone's gonna get it"
Feel free to link me to any evidence that the shooter *walked up* to Trayvon an said, "Excuse me sir...may I ask what you are doing here?" You seem awfully sure of Zimmerman's guilt and Martin's innocence, and they haven't even had a trial yet. His broken nose could have been an existing deviated septum You're reaching now. Why was Trayvon Martion *suspicious*? Because he ran? I don't know, I haven't seen all the evidence that will come out during the trial.
Zimmerman was a serial 911 caller who routinely targeted black youths as he *patrolled*...given that he was licensed, this wasn't an accident...it was an inevitability... Everything that happened that night was set into motion by him. The kid was just walking home.
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
Uh...no...but I'd like to see if the doctor did a close reduction of the fracture. Yea...I've had a broken nose...more than one, in fact...
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
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#2. To: buckeroo (#1)
#3. To: Brian S (#2)
#4. To: Brian S, *Liberal Rehab Staff* (#2)
why did zimmer get out of his vehicle?
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#5. To: Brian S (#0)
#6. To: Brian S (#0)
Documents Show Cops Believed Trayvon Martin Killing Was ‘Ultimately Avoidable’
#7. To: Brian S (#0)
#8. To: Murron (#7)
(Edited)
The cops in New Yawk were called out to look into the (so called) suspicious activities of Amadou Diallo, an unarmed African immigrant, in the lobby of his own appartment building, those trigger happy bastards let loose with a fusillade of 41 bullets, but only 19 shots hit their target.
#9. To: Brian S (#0)
#10. To: Brian S (#0)
There is no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter.”
#11. To: war (#8)
An NYPD investigation determined that it was okay to kill someone if one of the cops slips and falls while the person is getting his wallet.
#12. To: We The People (#11)
(Edited)
#13. To: war (#12)
...after pursuing and confronting someone agressively?
#14. To: We The People (#13)
(Edited)
#15. To: war (#8)
An NYPD investigation determined that it was okay to kill someone if one of the cops slips and falls while the person is getting his wallet.
Say hello to your grandma for me.
#16. To: Biff Tannen (#15)
#17. To: war (#16)
Say hello to your grandma for me.
#18. To: war (#14)
we know from the 911 tape that he was fairly agitated
#19. To: We The People (#18)
We know someone was agitated.
#20. To: We The People (#18)
As far as I know, there's no law against getting out of your truck to go talk to someone.
#21. To: war (#19)
"These assholes ALWAYS get away...fuckin' punks..."
#22. To: war (#20)
My money says that he probably had his gun drawn, btw...that's the basis for an assault, btw.
#23. To: We The People (#21)
That's not proof, beyond a reasonable doubt, of murder.
#24. To: We The People (#22)
I have to say, I really expected you to be more level headed about this.
#25. To: war (#24)
This kid was doing nothing more than walking home with Skittles for his little brother when Paulito Blart once again tried to assume his role of hero.
#26. To: We The People (#25)
#27. To: We The People (#25)
(Edited)
He was shot because he was attacking.
attacking defending himself.
#28. To: We The People (#25)
What about the broken nose and scalp lacerations?
#29. To: war (#28)
#30. To: war (#28)
#31. To: A K A Stone (#30)
#32. To: A K A Stone (#30)
The black male, he added, “was mounted on the white or Hispanic male
#33. To: Brian S (#0)
The killing of Trayvon Martin was “ultimately avoidable” if George Zimmerman had just stayed
we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague -- loonymom
#34. To: Logsplitter (#5)
It would have been even more avoidable had the little nigra boy kept his hands to himself.
we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague -- loonymom
#35. To: jwpegler (#34)
Trayvon was in a gated neighborhood, and he didn't live there.
#36. To: jwpegler (#34)
Trayvon was in a gated neighborhood, and he didn't live there.
#37. To: war (#8)
Bull.
#38. To: war (#28)
He was shot because he was
attacking defending himself.
#39. To: We The People (#38)
#40. To: We The People (#38)
You're reaching now.
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