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Title: Documents Show Cops Believed Trayvon Martin Killing Was ‘Ultimately Avoidable’
Source: TPM
URL Source: http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsme ... e_zimmerman.php?ref=fpnewsfeed
Published: May 17, 2012
Author: Nick R. Martin
Post Date: 2012-05-17 23:38:50 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 24452
Comments: 68

The killing of Trayvon Martin was “ultimately avoidable” if George Zimmerman had just stayed in his vehicle instead of pursuing the unarmed teen, Florida police investigators concluded in one of a series of reports on the case released late Thursday.

Instead, the Sanford Police Department investigators wrote, Zimmerman confronted the teen, ended up in a struggle and eventually shot him in the chest. In the end, Martin was dead and police were recommending the neighborhood watchman be brought up on a criminal charge of manslaughter.

The conclusions came to light on Thursday as part of a huge release of evidence by the Florida prosecutors who later performed their own investigation and charged Zimmerman with the more serious crime of second-degree murder. Totaling 183 pages, the heavily redacted documents include police narratives, witness interviews, autopsy reports and photos of Zimmerman bloodied after the Feb. 26 struggle.

“The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman,” the report said, “if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement, or conversely if he had identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialogue in an effort to dispel each party’s concern. There is no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter.”

The documents [PDF] were obtained by several news outlets, including NBC News, which put them online Thursday.

The investigators’ conclusions were in a document dated March 13. Zimmerman wasn’t charged until April 11 after special prosecutor Angela Corey was assigned to the case by Florida Gov. Rick Scott. By then, the killing was already the focus of international attention and outrage.

Previously, Zimmerman has said he believed the teen looked “suspicious” as he crossed through the gated neighborhood in Sanford, Fla. Zimmerman called 911 at the time but ignored the requests of a police dispatcher who told him not to pursue the teen.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to the second-degree murder charge, claiming he acted in self defense, saying Martin attacked him first and he had to shoot him to save his own life.

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#7. To: Brian S (#0)

Avoidable shit happens everyday in our lives, we roll the dice and take our chances, who's to say Martin would not have been eating hot lead if the cops had been called out (if they showed at all)?

The cops in New Yawk were called out to look into the (so called) suspicious activities of Amadou Diallo, an unarmed African immigrant, in the lobby of his own appartment building, those trigger happy bastards let loose with a fusillade of 41 bullets, but only 19 shots hit their target.

I can only imagine how many times the cops would have reloaded if Diallo had actucally punched one of them and slammed their heads on the sidewalk....

FK the cops, their just a bunch of retarded neanderthals who couldn't take out a 5 lb chihuahua without backup. jmho!

Murron  posted on  2012-05-18   4:01:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Murron (#7) (Edited)

The cops in New Yawk were called out to look into the (so called) suspicious activities of Amadou Diallo, an unarmed African immigrant, in the lobby of his own appartment building, those trigger happy bastards let loose with a fusillade of 41 bullets, but only 19 shots hit their target.

Bull.

The cops came across Diallo standing in front of his building and *thought* that he matched the description of what turned out to be a non-existent serial rapist. Their dynamic assault - screeching tires, jumping out of the car guns pulled, scared Diallo so badly that he ran up the steps to his building, stopped on command, and turned while getting his wallet...meanwhile, when Cowboy #1 reached the top of the steps he slipped and fell and Cowboys 2, 3 and 4, believing he had been shot, opened fire.

An NYPD investigation determined that it was okay to kill someone if one of the cops slips and falls while the person is getting his wallet.

war  posted on  2012-05-18   7:47:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: war (#8)

An NYPD investigation determined that it was okay to kill someone if one of the cops slips and falls while the person is getting his wallet.

But a lowly citizen can't do the same, even if his nose is broken and his skull is fractured.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-18   13:43:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: We The People (#11) (Edited)

...after pursuing and confronting someone agressively?

Sure he can...but he can't expect any legal protection for doing so...

And if you're referring to george Zimmerman...he did not have a factured skull and his *broken* nose is actually a common deformation...his septum was slightly displaced...which it could have been prior...

war  posted on  2012-05-18   13:46:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: war (#12)

...after pursuing and confronting someone agressively?

How do you know he confronted him aggressively?

We don't know that Z confronted him aggressively. He could have been totally polite about it.

but he can't expect any legal protection for doing so...

I don't know. I guess we'll see.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-18   13:50:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: We The People (#13) (Edited)

There is an earwitness to the confrontation and we know from the 911 tape that he was fairly agitated and we know from witness statememts that people were heard yelling. One witness reported two men wrestling by his back porch.

This asshole stays in his truck and everyone goes home happy.

And, btw, the Zimmerman camp states that there were no words exchanged and that Trayvon *jumped* and threatened his shooter.

war  posted on  2012-05-18   13:54:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: war (#14)

we know from the 911 tape that he was fairly agitated

We know someone was agitated. From what I've heard and read, it's not been proven who it was. Do you have a link to that info?

Just remember, "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law". Once all the evidence is presented, if Zimmerman is convicted, I won't have a problem with it. I just hate the Nancy Graceing of a person who hasn't been convicted and is still presumed innocent.

This asshole stays in his truck and everyone goes home happy.

As far as I know, there's no law against getting out of your truck to go talk to someone.

And, btw, the Zimmerman camp states that there were no words exchanged and that Trayvon *jumped* and threatened his shooter.

We must be reading about two different cases.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-18   14:59:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: We The People (#18)

As far as I know, there's no law against getting out of your truck to go talk to someone.

There isn't. We know that "(going) to talk to him" isn't why he got out of his truck. What we do know is that he didn't want Trayvon to get away and so he started chasing after him. My money says that he probably had his gun drawn, btw...that's the basis for an assault, btw.

We must be reading about two different cases.

Feel free to quote anyone from the Zimmerman camp who stated that anyone other than Trayvon said anything...

war  posted on  2012-05-18   15:25:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: war (#20)

My money says that he probably had his gun drawn, btw...that's the basis for an assault, btw.

I have to say, I really expected you to be more level headed about this.

You seem to have absolutely no doubt of his guilt and he's yet to even go to trial.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-18   15:29:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: We The People (#22)

I have to say, I really expected you to be more level headed about this.

I have four children who used to routinely walk places. Some of them wore hoodies when doing so.

This kid was doing nothing more than walking home with Skittles for his little brother when Paulito Blart once again tried to assume his role of hero. It would not surprise me if a lot of the Sanford cops considered this guy the neighborhood joke.

I do go back and forth on whether or not Zimmerman had the depraved indifference necessary to justify a 2nd degree murder conviction. The homicide was most certainly avoidable therefore unjustifiable to a minimal point of manslaughter.

war  posted on  2012-05-18   15:39:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: war (#24)

This kid was doing nothing more than walking home with Skittles for his little brother when Paulito Blart once again tried to assume his role of hero.

He wasn't shot because he was walking. He was shot because he was attacking.

What about the broken nose and scalp lacerations? Those are absolute evidence. Is that Zimmerman's fault because he got out to talk to a guy?

If you walked up to me and asked me what I was doing, and that pissed me off to the point where I attacked you, broke your nose and caused lacerations in your scalp, do you have the right to self defense or not?

The answer is yes, you do. If there is any reasonable doubt whatsoever, Zimmerman should walk, and I believe he will.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-18   15:57:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: We The People (#25)

What about the broken nose and scalp lacerations?

His broken nose could have been an existing deviated septum and the "lacerations" were described as minor cuts with minor bleeding. I've seen the pics. I've done worse TO myself shaving.

If you walked up to me and asked me what I was doing,

Feel free to link me to any evidence that the shooter *walked up* to Trayvon an said, "Excuse me sir...may I ask what you are doing here?"

Why was Trayvon Martion *suspicious*? How many other people did Zimmerman encounter on his way to Target who weren't and why not?

war  posted on  2012-05-18   17:14:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: war (#28)

He was shot because he was attacking defending himself.

Feel free to link me to any evidence that the shooter *walked up* to Trayvon an said, "Excuse me sir...may I ask what you are doing here?"

You seem awfully sure of Zimmerman's guilt and Martin's innocence, and they haven't even had a trial yet.

His broken nose could have been an existing deviated septum

You're reaching now.

Why was Trayvon Martion *suspicious*?

Because he ran? I don't know, I haven't seen all the evidence that will come out during the trial.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-19   9:55:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: We The People (#38)

Zimmerman was a serial 911 caller who routinely targeted black youths as he *patrolled*...given that he was licensed, this wasn't an accident...it was an inevitability...

Everything that happened that night was set into motion by him.

The kid was just walking home.

war  posted on  2012-05-19   15:33:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: war (#39)

Everything that happened that night was set into motion by him.

The kid was just walking home.

That is your opinion.

Consider this.

Zimmerman was on the neighborhood watch. So he was legitimately following him. Even if Martin didn't like being followed. It was not a crime. Do you think it is a crime to follow someone? My personal opinion is that he listened to the dispatcher who SUGGESTED he stop following Martin. Even if my opinion on this matter is wrong it isn't a crime. Zimmerman was under no way under the law actin illegally by following Martin.

I can see how Martin could get pissed off at this. If Martin was pissed off and confronted Zimmerman and threw the first punch. If that is the case would you still say Zimmerman is guilty of a crime?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-05-19   16:14:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: A K A Stone (#44)

Opinion?

Zimmerman stays in the truck and no-one's life changes.

So, no, it's a FACT/

war  posted on  2012-05-20   7:39:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: war (#49)

Opinion?

Zimmerman stays in the truck and no-one's life changes.

What law was Zimmernan under that required him to stay in his truck. There was none. It is against the law for the drug dealer with gold teeth to hit him though.

Zimmerman was defending himself.

Martin would have probably burglarized someone if he wasn't being followed. That is why Martin got pissed off. He is a self described nigger.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-05-20   8:39:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: A K A Stone (#51)

Zimmerman was defending himself.

So was Trayvon.

And thanks for reminding me why I don't post here very much/

war  posted on  2012-05-20   19:40:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: war (#60)

And thanks for reminding me why I don't post here very much/

Stoner has some serious issues. I attribute it to the water in Ohio.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2012-05-20   20:07:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Fred Mertz (#61)

Stoner has some serious issues. I attribute it to the water in Ohio.

When the indian saw the cowboy and started following him to see what he was up to. Then the cowboy saw the indian and didn't like being followed. Then the cowboy rode his horse up to the indian and got off his horse. The cowboy asked the indian if he had a problem. The indian said he had no problem. The cowboy not knowing the indian had a knife hidden in his clothes attacked the indian to teach him a lesson about following a cowboy. Was the indian obligated to let the cowboy kick his ass and possibly kill him? Or was the indian within his right to reach into his clothes and pull out his knife and defend himself?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-05-21   1:27:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: A K A Stone (#65) (Edited)

Was the indian obligated to let the cowboy kick his ass and possibly kill him? Or was the indian within his right to reach into his clothes and pull out his knife and defend himself?

So who was the one taking Adderal, an amphetamine based drug for ADHD, and Restoril, to counteract the effects of Adderal, so he could sleep at night?

mininggold  posted on  2012-05-21   1:38:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: mininggold (#66) (Edited)

So who was the one taking Adderal, an amphetamine based drug for ADHD, and Restoril, to counteract the effects of Adderal, so he could sleep at night?

Who was smoking the stuff that makes you paranoid and gives you mood swings?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-05-21   6:33:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: A K A Stone (#67)

Who was smoking the stuff that makes you paranoid and gives you mood swings

Adderal plus the Restoril certainly can do that. So what's the incidence of violence for those smoking pot versus those on Adderal?

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