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Title: Documents Show Cops Believed Trayvon Martin Killing Was ‘Ultimately Avoidable’
Source: TPM
URL Source: http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsme ... e_zimmerman.php?ref=fpnewsfeed
Published: May 17, 2012
Author: Nick R. Martin
Post Date: 2012-05-17 23:38:50 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 23662
Comments: 68

The killing of Trayvon Martin was “ultimately avoidable” if George Zimmerman had just stayed in his vehicle instead of pursuing the unarmed teen, Florida police investigators concluded in one of a series of reports on the case released late Thursday.

Instead, the Sanford Police Department investigators wrote, Zimmerman confronted the teen, ended up in a struggle and eventually shot him in the chest. In the end, Martin was dead and police were recommending the neighborhood watchman be brought up on a criminal charge of manslaughter.

The conclusions came to light on Thursday as part of a huge release of evidence by the Florida prosecutors who later performed their own investigation and charged Zimmerman with the more serious crime of second-degree murder. Totaling 183 pages, the heavily redacted documents include police narratives, witness interviews, autopsy reports and photos of Zimmerman bloodied after the Feb. 26 struggle.

“The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman,” the report said, “if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement, or conversely if he had identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialogue in an effort to dispel each party’s concern. There is no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter.”

The documents [PDF] were obtained by several news outlets, including NBC News, which put them online Thursday.

The investigators’ conclusions were in a document dated March 13. Zimmerman wasn’t charged until April 11 after special prosecutor Angela Corey was assigned to the case by Florida Gov. Rick Scott. By then, the killing was already the focus of international attention and outrage.

Previously, Zimmerman has said he believed the teen looked “suspicious” as he crossed through the gated neighborhood in Sanford, Fla. Zimmerman called 911 at the time but ignored the requests of a police dispatcher who told him not to pursue the teen.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to the second-degree murder charge, claiming he acted in self defense, saying Martin attacked him first and he had to shoot him to save his own life.

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#7. To: Brian S (#0)

Avoidable shit happens everyday in our lives, we roll the dice and take our chances, who's to say Martin would not have been eating hot lead if the cops had been called out (if they showed at all)?

The cops in New Yawk were called out to look into the (so called) suspicious activities of Amadou Diallo, an unarmed African immigrant, in the lobby of his own appartment building, those trigger happy bastards let loose with a fusillade of 41 bullets, but only 19 shots hit their target.

I can only imagine how many times the cops would have reloaded if Diallo had actucally punched one of them and slammed their heads on the sidewalk....

FK the cops, their just a bunch of retarded neanderthals who couldn't take out a 5 lb chihuahua without backup. jmho!

Murron  posted on  2012-05-18   4:01:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Murron (#7) (Edited)

The cops in New Yawk were called out to look into the (so called) suspicious activities of Amadou Diallo, an unarmed African immigrant, in the lobby of his own appartment building, those trigger happy bastards let loose with a fusillade of 41 bullets, but only 19 shots hit their target.

Bull.

The cops came across Diallo standing in front of his building and *thought* that he matched the description of what turned out to be a non-existent serial rapist. Their dynamic assault - screeching tires, jumping out of the car guns pulled, scared Diallo so badly that he ran up the steps to his building, stopped on command, and turned while getting his wallet...meanwhile, when Cowboy #1 reached the top of the steps he slipped and fell and Cowboys 2, 3 and 4, believing he had been shot, opened fire.

An NYPD investigation determined that it was okay to kill someone if one of the cops slips and falls while the person is getting his wallet.

war  posted on  2012-05-18   7:47:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: war (#8)

An NYPD investigation determined that it was okay to kill someone if one of the cops slips and falls while the person is getting his wallet.

But a lowly citizen can't do the same, even if his nose is broken and his skull is fractured.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-18   13:43:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: We The People (#11) (Edited)

...after pursuing and confronting someone agressively?

Sure he can...but he can't expect any legal protection for doing so...

And if you're referring to george Zimmerman...he did not have a factured skull and his *broken* nose is actually a common deformation...his septum was slightly displaced...which it could have been prior...

war  posted on  2012-05-18   13:46:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: war (#12)

...after pursuing and confronting someone agressively?

How do you know he confronted him aggressively?

We don't know that Z confronted him aggressively. He could have been totally polite about it.

but he can't expect any legal protection for doing so...

I don't know. I guess we'll see.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-18   13:50:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: We The People (#13) (Edited)

There is an earwitness to the confrontation and we know from the 911 tape that he was fairly agitated and we know from witness statememts that people were heard yelling. One witness reported two men wrestling by his back porch.

This asshole stays in his truck and everyone goes home happy.

And, btw, the Zimmerman camp states that there were no words exchanged and that Trayvon *jumped* and threatened his shooter.

war  posted on  2012-05-18   13:54:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: war (#14)

we know from the 911 tape that he was fairly agitated

We know someone was agitated. From what I've heard and read, it's not been proven who it was. Do you have a link to that info?

Just remember, "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law". Once all the evidence is presented, if Zimmerman is convicted, I won't have a problem with it. I just hate the Nancy Graceing of a person who hasn't been convicted and is still presumed innocent.

This asshole stays in his truck and everyone goes home happy.

As far as I know, there's no law against getting out of your truck to go talk to someone.

And, btw, the Zimmerman camp states that there were no words exchanged and that Trayvon *jumped* and threatened his shooter.

We must be reading about two different cases.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-18   14:59:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: We The People (#18)

As far as I know, there's no law against getting out of your truck to go talk to someone.

There isn't. We know that "(going) to talk to him" isn't why he got out of his truck. What we do know is that he didn't want Trayvon to get away and so he started chasing after him. My money says that he probably had his gun drawn, btw...that's the basis for an assault, btw.

We must be reading about two different cases.

Feel free to quote anyone from the Zimmerman camp who stated that anyone other than Trayvon said anything...

war  posted on  2012-05-18   15:25:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: war (#20)

My money says that he probably had his gun drawn, btw...that's the basis for an assault, btw.

I have to say, I really expected you to be more level headed about this.

You seem to have absolutely no doubt of his guilt and he's yet to even go to trial.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-18   15:29:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: We The People (#22)

I have to say, I really expected you to be more level headed about this.

I have four children who used to routinely walk places. Some of them wore hoodies when doing so.

This kid was doing nothing more than walking home with Skittles for his little brother when Paulito Blart once again tried to assume his role of hero. It would not surprise me if a lot of the Sanford cops considered this guy the neighborhood joke.

I do go back and forth on whether or not Zimmerman had the depraved indifference necessary to justify a 2nd degree murder conviction. The homicide was most certainly avoidable therefore unjustifiable to a minimal point of manslaughter.

war  posted on  2012-05-18   15:39:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: war (#24)

This kid was doing nothing more than walking home with Skittles for his little brother when Paulito Blart once again tried to assume his role of hero.

He wasn't shot because he was walking. He was shot because he was attacking.

What about the broken nose and scalp lacerations? Those are absolute evidence. Is that Zimmerman's fault because he got out to talk to a guy?

If you walked up to me and asked me what I was doing, and that pissed me off to the point where I attacked you, broke your nose and caused lacerations in your scalp, do you have the right to self defense or not?

The answer is yes, you do. If there is any reasonable doubt whatsoever, Zimmerman should walk, and I believe he will.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-18   15:57:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: We The People (#25)

What about the broken nose and scalp lacerations?

His broken nose could have been an existing deviated septum and the "lacerations" were described as minor cuts with minor bleeding. I've seen the pics. I've done worse TO myself shaving.

If you walked up to me and asked me what I was doing,

Feel free to link me to any evidence that the shooter *walked up* to Trayvon an said, "Excuse me sir...may I ask what you are doing here?"

Why was Trayvon Martion *suspicious*? How many other people did Zimmerman encounter on his way to Target who weren't and why not?

war  posted on  2012-05-18   17:14:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: war (#28)

Hello war.

www.thesmokinggun.com/bus...-zimmerman-witness-758903

A witness told Florida cops that he saw Trayvon Martin straddling George Zimmerman and pummeling the neighborhood watch captain “MMA style” shortly before the unarmed teen was felled by a gunshot to the chest.

The witness’s account was included in Sanford Police Department reports released today.

Interviewed by cops about 90 minutes after the shooting, the witness--whose name was redacted from police documents--said that he was inside his home when he heard a “commotion coming from the walk way” behind his residence.

The man recalled seeing “a black male, wearing a dark colored ‘hoodie’ on top of a white or Hispanic male who was yelling for help.” The black male, he added, “was mounted on the white or Hispanic male and throwing punches ‘MMA (mixed martial arts) style.'”

The witness--who was in his living room and about 30 feet away from the confrontation-- said he called out to the two men that he was dialing 911. “He then heard a ‘pop,’” police reported, and saw the black male “laid out on the grass.”

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-05-18   17:44:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: A K A Stone (#30)

Hey Stone...

That witness, as the others, witnessed but one part of the sequence...Zimmerman once attacked a cop...I doubt if this kid intimidated him...

war  posted on  2012-05-19   15:39:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: war (#42) (Edited)

The kid told his girl about the creep in the car and was aware he started to run after him after he jogged away from the area he was in to get away from this guy he knew was fixated on him.

Mr. Overzealous had an agenda to be someone to "get the minds right" of anyone "stalking" 'his' neighborhood.

When I had just joined 2/19th Special Forces, I heard of a kid who had joined and not started the process to become tab qualified. The green headgear is unit headgear in an S.F. unit and thus in uniform during drills the kid wore the green beret and went into a tavern after drill with a chip on his shoulder. He got his ass kick; the beret was no protection in a bar fight for this wet behind the ears kid who was in the 18-21 year old range.

Zimmerman was equally as overzealous. He approached people he wanted to ask "how high?" when he told them they should jump in this role. The kid was aware that often the best defense in an urban zone when being stalked is a good offense.

Not to mention he was at an age where the hormones of the past couple of years had made him stronger and taller without the additional experience someone older can have that tempers their behavior with a growing sense of mortality teenagers just don't have.

This was a perfect storm for this tragedy. Zimmerman was older, armed and had the the default responsibility of an adult in a role like neighborhood watch.

The key word of his group was 'WATCH.' He should of known better to approach any kid this age in an aggressive manner. He is culpable for the fatality here.

He deserves to be on trial, and I believe they have enough on him to make him a prison inmate for a long while. They both acted like immature kids.

But Zimmerman was very much an adult, armed and trying to be a leader in his community. In all his roles, responsibilities and his alleged adult maturity he fell down and came up short in his actions. He deserves the blame being sent his way.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-19   16:31:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Ferret Mike (#45)

The kid was aware that often the best defense in an urban zone when being stalked is a good offense.

If that is true. Then Zimmerman was justified in defending himself from the crazy zulu.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-05-19   16:35:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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