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Title: Documents Show Cops Believed Trayvon Martin Killing Was ‘Ultimately Avoidable’
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Published: May 17, 2012
Author: Nick R. Martin
Post Date: 2012-05-17 23:38:50 by Brian S
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The killing of Trayvon Martin was “ultimately avoidable” if George Zimmerman had just stayed in his vehicle instead of pursuing the unarmed teen, Florida police investigators concluded in one of a series of reports on the case released late Thursday. Instead, the Sanford Police Department investigators wrote, Zimmerman confronted the teen, ended up in a struggle and eventually shot him in the chest. In the end, Martin was dead and police were recommending the neighborhood watchman be brought up on a criminal charge of manslaughter. The conclusions came to light on Thursday as part of a huge release of evidence by the Florida prosecutors who later performed their own investigation and charged Zimmerman with the more serious crime of second-degree murder. Totaling 183 pages, the heavily redacted documents include police narratives, witness interviews, autopsy reports and photos of Zimmerman bloodied after the Feb. 26 struggle. “The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman,” the report said, “if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement, or conversely if he had identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialogue in an effort to dispel each party’s concern. There is no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter.” The documents [PDF] were obtained by several news outlets, including NBC News, which put them online Thursday. The investigators’ conclusions were in a document dated March 13. Zimmerman wasn’t charged until April 11 after special prosecutor Angela Corey was assigned to the case by Florida Gov. Rick Scott. By then, the killing was already the focus of international attention and outrage. Previously, Zimmerman has said he believed the teen looked “suspicious” as he crossed through the gated neighborhood in Sanford, Fla. Zimmerman called 911 at the time but ignored the requests of a police dispatcher who told him not to pursue the teen. Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to the second-degree murder charge, claiming he acted in self defense, saying Martin attacked him first and he had to shoot him to save his own life.
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#21. To: war (#19)
That's not proof, beyond a reasonable doubt, of murder.
I have to say, I really expected you to be more level headed about this. You seem to have absolutely no doubt of his guilt and he's yet to even go to trial.
That's not what it was offered as.
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
I have four children who used to routinely walk places. Some of them wore hoodies when doing so. This kid was doing nothing more than walking home with Skittles for his little brother when Paulito Blart once again tried to assume his role of hero. It would not surprise me if a lot of the Sanford cops considered this guy the neighborhood joke. I do go back and forth on whether or not Zimmerman had the depraved indifference necessary to justify a 2nd degree murder conviction. The homicide was most certainly avoidable therefore unjustifiable to a minimal point of manslaughter.
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
He wasn't shot because he was walking. He was shot because he was attacking. What about the broken nose and scalp lacerations? Those are absolute evidence. Is that Zimmerman's fault because he got out to talk to a guy? If you walked up to me and asked me what I was doing, and that pissed me off to the point where I attacked you, broke your nose and caused lacerations in your scalp, do you have the right to self defense or not? The answer is yes, you do. If there is any reasonable doubt whatsoever, Zimmerman should walk, and I believe he will.
Ebonics ! They don't see - hear right any more ! All of their tin foil is receptors - implants for their neocom esoteric babbling dissertations ! They get special decoder invisible glasses that turn reality off - all the dnc race - class paranioa on high !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
He was shot because he was What rights did Trayvon Martin have in those last few moments of his life?
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
His broken nose could have been an existing deviated septum and the "lacerations" were described as minor cuts with minor bleeding. I've seen the pics. I've done worse TO myself shaving. If you walked up to me and asked me what I was doing, Feel free to link me to any evidence that the shooter *walked up* to Trayvon an said, "Excuse me sir...may I ask what you are doing here?" Why was Trayvon Martion *suspicious*? How many other people did Zimmerman encounter on his way to Target who weren't and why not?
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
I've done silhouette ranges where you had to practice target discrimination. In order to get to the quickest and most accurate score where you hit the targets of innocent people less or not at all, one has to deal with any lingering resentments to not let personal feelings make you react in a way you ultimately will regret. He would not have been so fast to shoot if it had been a white or Hispanic kid on him. In fact, he would of probably either left them alone in the first place if that were so, or handle the situation of confronting them much better. This guy reacted wrongly in the heat of the moment as well as got himself in a situation he is the main instigator of. Unfortunately for him, he was pushing the teenager who reacted to his personal envelope being breached by someone with an obvious attitude and negative assumptions about him. If he had left the kid to his phone chat with his girlfriend be, none of this would of happened. Having gotten himself in that mess. he should of had enough insight to see that and not be so fast to use deadly force.
Hello war. www.thesmokinggun.com/bus...-zimmerman-witness-758903 A witness told Florida cops that he saw Trayvon Martin straddling George Zimmerman and pummeling the neighborhood watch captain “MMA style” shortly before the unarmed teen was felled by a gunshot to the chest. The witness’s account was included in Sanford Police Department reports released today. Interviewed by cops about 90 minutes after the shooting, the witness--whose name was redacted from police documents--said that he was inside his home when he heard a “commotion coming from the walk way” behind his residence. The man recalled seeing “a black male, wearing a dark colored ‘hoodie’ on top of a white or Hispanic male who was yelling for help.” The black male, he added, “was mounted on the white or Hispanic male and throwing punches ‘MMA (mixed martial arts) style.'” The witness--who was in his living room and about 30 feet away from the confrontation-- said he called out to the two men that he was dialing 911. “He then heard a ‘pop,’” police reported, and saw the black male “laid out on the grass.”
the w a r people - angela corey - are smoking crack - ecstasy !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
you'll see more of dwarf's postings here if you continue using "woodie" stuff like the above wording.
(posting anything TO Brain Shit is pointless....rather posting derisively AT him makes sense)
The act of getting out of one's car does not justify assault and attempted murder.
Trayvon was in a gated neighborhood, and he didn't live there. How did he get into the gsted neighborhood? Why hasn't this question been asked?
How did he get into the gated neighborhood? Why hasn't this question been asked? It probably has and has been promptly ignored by the local officials and especially the MSM.... Can't have the truth getting out now can we, that would defeat the purpose of Leftards playing the race card..... From some of the posts on this thread I would say someone thinks exactly that, race played a part in it....
Leftardism/Liberalism: The chickenschitt way to deal with life’s problems by creating solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before and then having to find a solution to that one…
How did he get into the gsted neighborhood? Why hasn't this question been asked? Wasn't that already asked and answered when it was reported Trayvon was staying at his fathers fiance's house.
The cops came across Diallo standing in front of his building and *thought* that he matched the description of what turned out to be a non-existent serial rapist. Their dynamic assault - screeching tires, jumping out of the car guns pulled, scared Diallo so badly that he ran up the steps to his building, stopped on command, and turned while getting his wallet...meanwhile, when Cowboy #1 reached the top of the steps he slipped and fell and Cowboys 2, 3 and 4, believing he had been shot, opened fire. An NYPD investigation determined that it was okay to kill someone if one of the cops slips and falls while the person is getting his wallet. I'm not sure, but I think you and I pretty much said the same thing, just in our own way, I agree with you.
"A friend will calm you down when you are angry, but a best friend will skip beside you with a baseball bat singing, "someone's gonna get it"
Feel free to link me to any evidence that the shooter *walked up* to Trayvon an said, "Excuse me sir...may I ask what you are doing here?" You seem awfully sure of Zimmerman's guilt and Martin's innocence, and they haven't even had a trial yet. His broken nose could have been an existing deviated septum You're reaching now. Why was Trayvon Martion *suspicious*? Because he ran? I don't know, I haven't seen all the evidence that will come out during the trial.
Zimmerman was a serial 911 caller who routinely targeted black youths as he *patrolled*...given that he was licensed, this wasn't an accident...it was an inevitability... Everything that happened that night was set into motion by him. The kid was just walking home.
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
Uh...no...but I'd like to see if the doctor did a close reduction of the fracture. Yea...I've had a broken nose...more than one, in fact...
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
Yes...I was just correcting how the deal went down...most of the earwitnesses to the shooting said that they heard the car come flying down the street and screech to a halt... Each one of them who opened fire should have spent time in jail...
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
Hey Stone... That witness, as the others, witnessed but one part of the sequence...Zimmerman once attacked a cop...I doubt if this kid intimidated him...
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
I've honestly never heard that.
The kid was just walking home. That is your opinion. Consider this. Zimmerman was on the neighborhood watch. So he was legitimately following him. Even if Martin didn't like being followed. It was not a crime. Do you think it is a crime to follow someone? My personal opinion is that he listened to the dispatcher who SUGGESTED he stop following Martin. Even if my opinion on this matter is wrong it isn't a crime. Zimmerman was under no way under the law actin illegally by following Martin. I can see how Martin could get pissed off at this. If Martin was pissed off and confronted Zimmerman and threw the first punch. If that is the case would you still say Zimmerman is guilty of a crime?
The kid told his girl about the creep in the car and was aware he started to run after him after he jogged away from the area he was in to get away from this guy he knew was fixated on him. Mr. Overzealous had an agenda to be someone to "get the minds right" of anyone "stalking" 'his' neighborhood. When I had just joined 2/19th Special Forces, I heard of a kid who had joined and not started the process to become tab qualified. The green headgear is unit headgear in an S.F. unit and thus in uniform during drills the kid wore the green beret and went into a tavern after drill with a chip on his shoulder. He got his ass kick; the beret was no protection in a bar fight for this wet behind the ears kid who was in the 18-21 year old range. Zimmerman was equally as overzealous. He approached people he wanted to ask "how high?" when he told them they should jump in this role. The kid was aware that often the best defense in an urban zone when being stalked is a good offense. Not to mention he was at an age where the hormones of the past couple of years had made him stronger and taller without the additional experience someone older can have that tempers their behavior with a growing sense of mortality teenagers just don't have. This was a perfect storm for this tragedy. Zimmerman was older, armed and had the the default responsibility of an adult in a role like neighborhood watch. The key word of his group was 'WATCH.' He should of known better to approach any kid this age in an aggressive manner. He is culpable for the fatality here. He deserves to be on trial, and I believe they have enough on him to make him a prison inmate for a long while. They both acted like immature kids. But Zimmerman was very much an adult, armed and trying to be a leader in his community. In all his roles, responsibilities and his alleged adult maturity he fell down and came up short in his actions. He deserves the blame being sent his way.
If that is true. Then Zimmerman was justified in defending himself from the crazy zulu.
The kid was just walking home. None of that matters if the kid attacked him.
That is 100% incorrect. The person who was being targeted and pursued is the one with SYG rights. That's why the law was put into place. A person in a public place with every right of being there is to not be harassed. Zimmerman had no expectation that any of his actions that night, as perceived by Trayvon, were harmless.
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
Opinion? Zimmerman stays in the truck and no-one's life changes. So, no, it's a FACT/
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
Yes. * Do you really believe that Zimmerman reached for his *cellphone* as he claimed that he did?
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
Zimmerman stays in the truck and no-one's life changes. What law was Zimmernan under that required him to stay in his truck. There was none. It is against the law for the drug dealer with gold teeth to hit him though. Zimmerman was defending himself. Martin would have probably burglarized someone if he wasn't being followed. That is why Martin got pissed off. He is a self described nigger.
Everything that happened that night was set into motion by him. The kid was just walking home. But the "conservatives" on this forum love stalkers.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
And Zimmerman and Martin both had every right to be there and had the right to not be attacked. What it comes down to is * who attacked who? * And the plain fact of the matter is that you and I don't know the answer to that one simple question. But all the physical evidence that I've seen so far points to Martin being the attacker. Wounds on Zimmerman's face and head, and on Martins knuckles. Where are the wounds on Martin's face? Where are the lacerations on Martin's scalp? Where are the wounds on Zimmerman's knuckles? Following is not a crime, neither is approaching, or speaking to someone. And I doubt that even the steroid crazed, racist bloodlust (eyes rolling) that Zimmerman felt would have been enough to make him shoot a man that wasn't attacking him, especially since he had already called the police. The ONLY conclusion that makes sense, logically, and also corresponds with the evidence presented so far, is that Martin attacked Zimmerman and Zimmerman shot him. If there is evidence that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Zimmerman is guilty, it will come out in the trial.
Remember when you asked me to tell you when you were doing it again? Well, you're doing it again.
I think you'd better read the law again. It covers force, including deadly force. I don't think it even mentions harassment. 2011 Florida Statutes CHAPTER 776 JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE[22] 776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if: (1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or (2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013. 776.013 Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.— (1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if: (a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and (b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred. (2) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if: (a) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person; or (b) The person or persons sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used; or (c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or (d) The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who enters or attempts to enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a law enforcement officer. (3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony. (4) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person’s dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence. (5) As used in this section, the term: (a) “Dwelling” means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night. (b) “Residence” means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest. (c) “Vehicle” means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, which is designed to transport people or property. 776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.— (1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant. (2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful. (3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1). 776.041 Use of force by aggressor. —The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who: (1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or (2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless: (a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or (b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.
Well, you're doing it again. No, you are the one doing it again. Whining and bitching about posters here while denying it.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
No, you are the one doing it again. Whining and bitching about posters here while denying it. Wow.
I need to whine and bitch about your whining and bitching about some alleged whining and bitching in response to some other whining and bitching. It all started with algore's global whining to "count every vote, until I win", an inconvenient truth.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
I guess you should know.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
So was Trayvon. And thanks for reminding me why I don't post here very much/
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
Stoner has some serious issues. I attribute it to the water in Ohio.
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#22. To: war (#20)
My money says that he probably had his gun drawn, btw...that's the basis for an assault, btw.
#23. To: We The People (#21)
That's not proof, beyond a reasonable doubt, of murder.
#24. To: We The People (#22)
I have to say, I really expected you to be more level headed about this.
#25. To: war (#24)
This kid was doing nothing more than walking home with Skittles for his little brother when Paulito Blart once again tried to assume his role of hero.
#26. To: We The People (#25)
#27. To: We The People (#25)
(Edited)
He was shot because he was attacking.
attacking defending himself.
#28. To: We The People (#25)
What about the broken nose and scalp lacerations?
#29. To: war (#28)
#30. To: war (#28)
#31. To: A K A Stone (#30)
#32. To: A K A Stone (#30)
The black male, he added, “was mounted on the white or Hispanic male
#33. To: Brian S (#0)
The killing of Trayvon Martin was “ultimately avoidable” if George Zimmerman had just stayed
we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague -- loonymom
#34. To: Logsplitter (#5)
It would have been even more avoidable had the little nigra boy kept his hands to himself.
we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague -- loonymom
#35. To: jwpegler (#34)
Trayvon was in a gated neighborhood, and he didn't live there.
#36. To: jwpegler (#34)
Trayvon was in a gated neighborhood, and he didn't live there.
#37. To: war (#8)
Bull.
#38. To: war (#28)
He was shot because he was
attacking defending himself.
#39. To: We The People (#38)
#40. To: We The People (#38)
You're reaching now.
#41. To: Murron (#37)
#42. To: A K A Stone (#30)
#43. To: war (#41)
heard the car come flying down the street and screech to a halt...
#44. To: war (#39)
Everything that happened that night was set into motion by him.
#45. To: war (#42)
(Edited)
#46. To: Ferret Mike (#45)
The kid was aware that often the best defense in an urban zone when being stalked is a good offense.
#47. To: war (#39)
Everything that happened that night was set into motion by him.
#48. To: We The People (#47)
#49. To: A K A Stone (#44)
#50. To: A K A Stone (#44)
If that is the case would you still say Zimmerman is guilty of a crime?
#51. To: war (#49)
Opinion?
#52. To: war (#39)
Zimmerman was a serial 911 caller who routinely targeted black youths as he *patrolled*...given that he was licensed, this wasn't an accident...it was an inevitability...
#53. To: war (#48)
The person who was being targeted and pursued is the one with SYG rights. That's why the law was put into place. A person in a public place with every right of being there is to not be harassed.
"If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave." Samuel Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772
#54. To: mininggold (#52)
But the "conservatives" on this forum love stalkers.
"If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave." Samuel Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772
#55. To: war (#48)
That's why the law was put into place. A person in a public place with every right of being there is to not be harassed.
"If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave." Samuel Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772
#56. To: We The People (#54)
Remember when you asked me to tell you when you were doing it again?
#57. To: mininggold (#56)
But the "conservatives" on this forum love stalkers.
"If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave." Samuel Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772
#58. To: mininggold, We The People, *Liberal Rehab Staff* (#56)
you are the one doing it again. Whining and bitching about posters here while denying it.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#59. To: hondo68 (#58)
It all started with algore's global whining to "count every vote, until I win", an inconvenient truth.
#60. To: A K A Stone (#51)
Zimmerman was defending himself.
#61. To: war (#60)
And thanks for reminding me why I don't post here very much/
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