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Title: Attorney in hijab defends call for other women at 9/11 hearing to wear 'appropriate' clothing
Source: FoxNews.com
URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201 ... r-women-at-11-hearing-to-wear/
Published: May 7, 2012
Author: FN
Post Date: 2012-05-07 07:02:59 by CZ82
Keywords: None
Views: 10854
Comments: 23

Attorney in hijab defends call for other women at 9/11 hearing to wear 'appropriate' clothing

Published May 06, 2012

The defense attorney who wore a traditional Islamic outfit during the rowdy arraignment of the accused Sept. 11 terrorists is defending her courtroom appeal that other women in the room wear more "appropriate" clothing to the proceedings -- out of respect for her client's Muslim beliefs.

Cheryl Bormann, counsel for defendant Walid bin Attash, attended the arraignment Saturday dressed in a hijab, apparently because her client insisted on it. She further requested that the court order other women to follow that example so that the defendants do not have to avert their eyes "for fear of committing a sin under their faith."

At a press conference Sunday at Guantanamo Bay, Bormann said she dresses in a hijab at "all times" when she meets with her client "out of respect" for his beliefs. Asked why she requested other women do the same, Bormann said, "When you're on trial for your life, you need to be focused."

Bormann, who is not Muslim, claimed the issue came up several years ago, when a paralegal wore "very short skirts" and it became a distraction for the defendants. She said that on Saturday, "somebody" was also dressed "in a way that was not in keeping with my client's religious beliefs."

"If because of someone's religious beliefs, they can't focus when somebody in the courtroom is dressed in a particular way, I feel it is incumbent upon myself as a counsel to point that out and ask for some consideration from the prosecution," she said. "Suffice to say it was distracting to members of the accused."

The clothing request was just one of several unusual moments during Saturday's lengthy and chaotic hearing.

The court hearing for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his four co-defendants should have taken a couple of hours at most. Instead it lasted almost 13 hours, including meal and prayer breaks, as the men appeared to make a concerted effort to stall Saturday's hearing.

They knelt in prayer, ignored the judge, wouldn't listen to Arabic translations over their head sets and one even insisted on having the more than 20 pages detailing the charges against them read aloud, rather than deferred for later in their case as the judge wanted, which added more than two hours to the proceedings.

Defense lawyer James Connell said Sunday that a tentative trial date of May 2013 is a "placeholder" until a true date can be set for the trial.

"It's going to take time," said the chief prosecutor, Army Brig. Gen. Mark Martins, who said he expects to battle a barrage of defense motions before the case goes to trial. "I am getting ready for hundreds of motions because we want them to shoot everything they can shoot at us."

The defendants' behavior outraged 9/11 family members watching on closed-circuit video feeds around the United States at East Coast military bases. One viewer shouted, "C'mon, are you kidding me?" at the Fort Hamilton base in Brooklyn.

A handful of people who lost family members in the attacks and were selected by a lottery to attend the proceedings watched in the courtroom.

"They're engaging in jihad in a courtroom," said Debra Burlingame, whose brother, Charles, was the pilot of the plane that flew into the Pentagon. She watched the proceeding from Brooklyn.

The defense attorneys in the case have complained repeatedly about the proceedings and about the military tribunal system itself. Human rights groups and defense lawyers say the secrecy of Guantanamo and the military tribunals will make it impossible for the defense. They argued the U.S. kept the case out of civilian court to prevent disclosure of the treatment of prisoners like Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times.

A family member of one 9/11 victim spoke to reporters Sunday and said he has respect for the defense attorneys.

"They're doing their job," said Eddie Bracken of Staten Island, New York, whose sister Lucy Fishman died at the World Trade Center in 2001.

Bracken also read from a prepared statement which was directed at Mohammed. "You never killed the American spirit. Let freedom ring, let freedom ring, let freedom ring -- and that's what I have to say," he said.

Mohammed, the admitted 9/11 architect, and the four men accused of aiding the 9/11 conspiracy put off their pleas until a later date. They face 2,976 counts of murder and terrorism in the 2001 attacks that sent hijacked jetliners into New York's World Trade Center and the Pentagon. The charges carry the death penalty.

Earlier Saturday, Mohammed cast off his earphones providing Arabic translations of the proceeding and refused to answer Army Col. James Pohl's questions or acknowledge he understood them. All five men refused to participate in the hearing; two passed around a copy of The Economist magazine and leafed through the articles.

Bin Attash was confined to a restraint chair when he came into court on Saturday, released only after he promised to behave.

Ramzi Binalshibh began praying alongside his defense table, followed by Ali Abd al-Aziz Ali, in the middle of the hearing; Binalshibh then launched into a tirade in which he compared a prison official to the late Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi and declared that he was in danger.

"Maybe they will kill me and say I committed suicide," he said in a mix of Arabic and broken English.


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The defense attorney who wore a traditional Islamic outfit during the rowdy arraignment of the accused Sept. 11 terrorists is defending her courtroom appeal that other women in the room wear more "appropriate" clothing to the proceedings -- out of respect for her client's Muslim beliefs.------ Why???? They don't respect anybody else's beliefs!!!!

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#1. To: CZ82 (#0)

The defense attorney who wore a traditional Islamic outfit during the rowdy arraignment of the accused Sept. 11 terrorists is defending her courtroom appeal that other women in the room wear more "appropriate" clothing to the proceedings -- out of respect for her client's Muslim beliefs.

Muslims can the the F out of America. It isn't compatible with their gutter shit religion. If they don't leave they might get hurt.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-05-07   7:04:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: A K A Stone (#1)

"If they don't leave they might get hurt."

Here you sit wanting jihad and terrorism in the commission of your wish to make the U.S. a Christan theocracy.

There is not a bit of difference between you and a Taliban member or any other Muslim extremist.

Other than you being all talk and no action.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-07   11:37:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Ferret Mike (#7)

Other than you being all talk and no action.

Talk is absolutely protected under the Constitution.

Violent action is not.

The real danger to America are leftists who equate talk with action in order to prohibit the former.

jwpegler  posted on  2012-05-07   15:35:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: jwpegler (#9)

Talk is absolutely protected under the Constitution.

And this works because people are accountable for their words. I contrasted two Californians, I did not condemn the First Amendment like Stone does with his lack of respect for freedom of religion.

The danger some conservatives face is not thinking through what they advocate. I see he wants a theology and license to kill whom he wants to kill. Not to mention to be able to do it for whatever reason strikes his fancy.

Talk to him about religious tolerance. He's the one insinuating a need for violence because of his religious intolerance.

You take my free speech to task, yet ignore A K A's call to violence against Muslims that refuse to be driven out of their own country. You are being hypocritical, not me.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-07   15:45:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Ferret Mike (#10)

I did not condemn the First Amendment like Stone does with his lack of respect for freedom of religion.

FACT: They are NOT American citizens and they are not in America. They have no Freedom of Religion. Not even in their home countries,where you MUST be Muslim or you risk dying.

FACT: Stone never once said they don't have the right to be Muslims. He and others,including ME,make the claim that American courts and citizens are under NO obligation to respect their religion in any shape,form,or matter. In FACT,it is un-Constitutional to do so. The whole Separation of Church and State thing.

FACT: and finally,what kind of fool do yo have to be to demand respect for a religion whose followers want to either murder or enslave you,your family,and your whole culture?

Do I really need to remind you who started all this?

sneakypete  posted on  2012-05-08   10:32:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: sneakypete (#15) (Edited)

Stone was talking about all Muslims here in the United States. I worked with mamy American Muslims in Portland and I saw for myself how assimilated into the American Experience people who's parents or grandparents emigrated to the United States are.

I served in the United States Army with Muslims. If Stone were inthe Military and expressed such an intolerable hatred for religions other then his own, he would be discharged and sanctioned in some way.

I see no difference in many ways between his religion and Islam. I see intolerence, narrow mindedness and unreasonable haterd as the two faiths compete to see which one of them is the most aggressive one in trying to talk and force people into their ranks.

I have also had to deal with Stone's immature barbs about my religion. He baited me on this pont jus tthe other day.

Tghis is not a theocracy, and Islam is an acceptable religion for the United States if Christianity and Judaism is. That is the bottom line.

It's not just my or Stone's opinion, it is law. law that emminates directly from how the First Amendment is interpreted.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-08   12:16:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Ferret Mike (#16)

I worked with mamy American Muslims in Portland and I saw for myself how assimilated into the American Experience people who's parents or grandparents emigrated to the United States are

I grew up in the Detroit area, which has the largest Arabic population outside of the Middle East -- about 400,000 people. A little over 200,000 of them are Muslims and a little under 200,000 are various types of Christians (Chaldeans, Maronites, Copts, etc).

The Arab Christians are generally assimilated into society. The Arab Muslims are generally not.

jwpegler  posted on  2012-05-08   12:27:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: jwpegler (#17)

You are speaking of the phenomenon known as enclaving. There are Jewish enclaves back in New York that are not about assimilation, much as the Amish have been in Pennsylvania for many generations.

We have a good sized Muslim population in Eugene, and a larger one in Portland. People in it are very assimilated as a rule. In any event, neither religion is going away unless the Constitution is changed or voided, so everyone is going to have to continue to live with one another.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-05-08   12:58:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#21. To: Ferret Mike (#20)

You are speaking of the phenomenon known as enclaving. There are Jewish enclaves back in New York that are not about assimilation, much as the Amish have been in Pennsylvania for many generations.

Very true. Muslims in the Detroit area generally live in Dearborn and Hamtramck.

The Detroit area has generally been divided up into ethnic enclaves.

The City of Detroit is 88% black.

Hammtramck used to be a largely Polish / Catholic city. Now they do the call to prayer.

Southfield used to be largely Jewish. Now it's largely black.

On and on...

jwpegler  posted on  2012-05-08 13:03:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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