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Title: Paul supporters make mark at Maine GOP convention
Source: FOXNEWS: the voice of the GOP
URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201 ... -mark-at-maine-gop-convention/
Published: May 6, 2012
Author: staff
Post Date: 2012-05-06 10:22:01 by buckeroo
Keywords: None
Views: 26437
Comments: 52

AUGUSTA, Maine – Ron Paul's army of supporters in Maine flexed their muscle Saturday as they elected their candidate for chairman of the state Republican convention, a first step toward taking over key party committees and giving the Texas congressman a voice at this summer's national convention.

"I think it shows that our numbers are here," Aaron Quinn, a 28-year-old Paul supporter from Brunswick, said after the close chairmanship vote.

Paul supporter Brent Tweed, a state committee member from York County, was elected chairman with 1,118 delegates' votes, just four more votes than the mainstream candidate, Charles Cragin, a one-time gubernatorial candidate. A Paul supporter was also narrowly elected secretary.

The votes were largely symbolic but important because they show the level of support at the crowded convention for the libertarian-leaning Paul. His supporters' real goals were to elect majorities on Republican county, state and national committees -- and elect a majority of the state's delegates to this summer's GOP national convention in Tampa, Fla.

Delivering 13 of Maine's 24 delegates to Paul would ensure he gets a chance to address the convention, said Matthew McDonald of Belfast, a Paul-supporting delegate.

"That's why Maine today is really, really important," McDonald said.

Nevada Republicans, who were holding their convention Saturday, also expected a strong Paul showing.

"I think it's a democratic process with a small D," Cragin said. "I just hope this enthusiasm continues with some longevity after Tampa."

Votes for a party platform, national delegates and national committee members were also scheduled for Saturday.

Paul supporters said they had no objections to the platform, which included calls for fiscal prudence and no new taxes, strong local and weak national governments, making English the official language of Maine, right to work and voter ID law, and other items.

Two years ago, tea party activists who showed up in force at the convention forced changes that left their mark on the platform.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/06/paul-supporters-make-mark-at-maine-gop-convention/#ixzz1u6E5aNoq

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#1. To: buckeroo (#0)

The votes were largely symbolic but important because they show the level of support at the crowded convention for the libertarian-leaning Paul.

For all you neo's out there... if you do not have those 'libertarian leanings', you are not a conservative.

This has been a Public Service announcement.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-06   10:30:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: We The People (#1)

For all you neo's out there... if you do not have those 'libertarian leanings', you are not a conservative.

Perhaps if you described or otherwise identified what those "libertarian leanings" are we'd have a more useful yardstick.

Nancy Pelosi has "libertarian leanings", but I doubt you'd agree she's a conservative.

Thunderbird  posted on  2012-05-06   11:06:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Thunderbird (#3) (Edited)

Perhaps if you described or otherwise identified what those "libertarian leanings" are we'd have a more useful yardstick.

Sure! :o) I'd love to!

Well, we can first take a look at the Bill of Rights, or, the first 10 Amendments to the Constitution as one of, and arguably the most important of, our guidelines.

There can be no doubt that the BOR has an immense libertarian leaning.

And if one were to really stop and think about it, conservatism itself is deeply dependent, fundamentally, to libertarian leanings. Being fiscally conservative with the peoples' money stems from the basic and rudimentary libertarian belief that a man owns the fruits of his own labor.

Today's 'social conservatism' is actually not conservatism at all, but an ideology from the authoritarian left, adopted by the right, (just like the leftist foreign policy of intervention has been adopted by the right) and coming from the belief that government can and should regulate what government considers the moral affairs of its citizens. This even leads to a bigger and more powerful central government which is polar opposite of conservatism.

In true social conservatism, government has no business intervening in the moral affairs of its citizens. As long as one is not violating the rights of others, government has no constitutional authority.

Then there is also foreign policy conservatism or nonintervention, which also stems from the basic libertarian belief against coercion. Liz Cheney, even from her senior thesis, "The Evolution of Presidential War Powers" has proven that she, like her father, prefers a unitary executive, big government and the leftist approach of intervention in the foreign affairs of other countries, in 'making the world safe for democracy', which is a leftist doctrine.

Nancy Pelosi has "libertarian leanings", but I doubt you'd agree she's a conservative.

Nancy Pelosi has absolutely no libertarian leanings. She may hold a couple views in common with the Big L, Libertarian Party, but her reasoning to reach those conclusions are polar opposite of conservative thought.

EDIT: Sorry for the edit, but these are a few basic points concerning the most obvious issues. We can go even further in depth if you'd like.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-06   11:45:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: We The People (#5)

I agree that conservatism starts with a deep understanding of our founding principles, but I disagree that libertarianism is at the root.

For example, individual rights are largely enforced at the federal level which seems opposed to how libertarianism as I understand it operates.

-btw Do you consider Thomas Jefferson to be a conservative?

Thunderbird  posted on  2012-05-07   23:04:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Thunderbird (#11)

I agree that conservatism starts with a deep understanding of our founding principles, but I disagree that libertarianism is at the root.

Then how do you explain the Bill of Rights?

We The People  posted on  2012-05-09   18:56:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: We The People (#13)

Then how do you explain the Bill of Rights?

Individual freedoms protected by a Federal judiciary.

Today's libertarians seem to forget the second part of the equation.

Thunderbird  posted on  2012-05-14   11:25:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Thunderbird (#17)

Individual freedoms protected by a Federal judiciary.

Uhhhhhhhhh, are you serious here?

Has the federal judiciary protected American citizens from the Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act of 2006 and the recent NDAA, which all clearly violate the Bill of Rights?

Our founders believed those rights to be inalienable and insisted on their inclusion before the constitution was ratified. That shows definite libertarian leanings. Can you argue otherwise?

We The People  posted on  2012-05-14   11:35:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: We The People (#19)

Has the federal judiciary protected American citizens from the Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act of 2006 and the recent NDAA, which all clearly violate the Bill of Rights?

You seem to have a child's expectation of instant gratification and fairness.

Go to Federal court and file your grievances. Exercise your first amendment right to peaceably assemble and petition the government. Vote out the scoundrels who pass those laws you disagree with.

Get the drift?

Thunderbird  posted on  2012-05-14   14:54:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Thunderbird (#20)

Has the federal judiciary protected American citizens from the Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act of 2006 and the recent NDAA, which all clearly violate the Bill of Rights?

You seem to have a child's expectation of instant gratification and fairness.

I'll take that as a, "No, the federal judiciary has not protected American citizens from the Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act of 2006 and the recent NDAA, which all clearly violate the Bill of Rights".

Go to Federal court and file your grievances. Exercise your first amendment right to peaceably assemble and petition the government. Vote out the scoundrels who pass those laws you disagree with.

Get the drift?

Have you petitioned the government for a redress of grievances concerning these laws and their clear violations of the Bill of Rights? Because I have, and I've been ignored. If you haven't, do you not have those libertarian leanings that would make you care about those rights, or do you believe these laws do not violate those rights?

Or, does this mean you don't want to discuss the issue anymore?

We The People  posted on  2012-05-14   15:06:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: We The People (#21) (Edited)

Because I have, and I've been ignored.

Who knows what this is in reference to. My guess is you attended a tea-party or a similar Ron Paul event. BFD.

Thunderbird  posted on  2012-05-15   9:50:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Thunderbird (#23)

Have you petitioned the government for a redress of grievances concerning these laws and their clear violations of the Bill of Rights? Because I have, and I've been ignored.

Who knows what this is in reference to.

I told you, I think, speak and type literally. If you don't understand plain English, then I can't help you.

My guess is you attended a tea-party or a similar Ron Paul event. BFD.

LOL!

Well, then that would make you twice as stupid, now wouldn't it.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-15   21:03:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: We The People (#24)

I told you, I think, speak and type literally. If you don't understand plain English, then I can't help you.

Sure you can.

For example you could explain in greater detail exactly what kind of petition you made, to what government entity you made it, and for how long.

-btw Standing in front of the Post Office with a poster of Obama as Hitler doesn't count.

Thunderbird  posted on  2012-05-16   7:38:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#38. To: Thunderbird (#25)

you could explain in greater detail

What do you believe petitioning the government for redress of grievances in a representative republic means? Do I have to explain EVERYTHING to you?

I've met with my representatives in the house and senate, in their offices, spoken to their office on a number of occasions, exchanged multiple emails, written certified letters not only to my representatives but also to the DOJ and the white house on a variety of issues.

I've had both of my senators and my representatives offices call my home.

In each and every instance I have been ignored, dodged and brushed off, but believe me, my representatives know me well and absolutely know my views on issues. They can't even begin to represent me if they don't know my views.

Rarely a week goes by without some sort of contact. My mailbox is continuously flooded with form letters.

Have you ever contacted your representatives? If you had, then you would know exactly what I'm talking about without an explanation, so I doubt that you have.

And no, posting photoshopped photos of Obama on Facebook doesn't count.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-16 18:55:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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