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Title: Us Should Return Stolen Land To Indian Tribes, Says United Nations
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GUARDIAN UK
URL Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/201 ... s-stolen-land-indian-tribes-un
Published: May 4, 2012
Author: GUARDIAN UK
Post Date: 2012-05-04 20:03:22 by Brian S
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A United Nations investigator probing discrimination against Native Americans has called on the US government to return some of the land stolen from Indian tribes as a step toward combatting continuing and systemic racial discrimination. James Anaya, the UN special rapporteur on the rights of indigenous peoples, said no member of the US Congress would meet him as he investigated the part played by the government in the considerable difficulties faced by Indian tribes. Anaya said that in nearly two weeks of visiting Indian reservations, indigenous communities in Alaska and Hawaii, and Native Americans now living in cities, he encountered people who suffered a history of dispossession of their lands and resources, the breakdown of their societies and "numerous instances of outright brutality, all grounded on racial discrimination". "It's a racial discrimination that they feel is both systemic and also specific instances of ongoing discrimination that is felt at the individual level," he said. Anaya said racism extended from the broad relationship between federal or state governments and tribes down to local issues such as education. "For example, with the treatment of children in schools both by their peers and by teachers as well as the educational system itself; the way native Americans and indigenous peoples are reflected in the school curriculum and teaching," he said. "And discrimination in the sense of the invisibility of Native Americans in the country overall that often is reflected in the popular media. The idea that is often projected through the mainstream media and among public figures that indigenous peoples are either gone or as a group are insignificant or that they're out to get benefits in terms of handouts, or their communities and cultures are reduced to casinos, which are just flatly wrong." Close to a million people live on the US's 310 Native American reservations. Some tribes have done well from a boom in casinos on reservations but most have not. Anaya visited an Oglala Sioux reservation where the per capita income is around $7,000 a year, less than one-sixth of the national average, and life expectancy is about 50 years. The two Sioux reservations in South Dakota – Rosebud and Pine Ridge – have some of the country's poorest living conditions, including mass unemployment and the highest suicide rate in the western hemisphere with an epidemic of teenagers killing themselves. "You can see they're in a somewhat precarious situation in terms of their basic existence and the stability of their communities given that precarious land tenure situation. It's not like they have large fisheries as a resource base to sustain them. In basic economic terms it's a very difficult situation. You have upwards of 70% unemployment on the reservation and all kinds of social ills accompanying that. Very tough conditions," he said. Anaya said Rosebud is an example where returning land taken by the US government could improve a tribe's fortunes as well as contribute to a "process of reconciliation". "At Rosebud, that's a situation where indigenous people have seen over time encroachment on to their land and they've lost vast territories and there have been clear instances of broken treaty promises. It's undisputed that the Black Hills was guaranteed them by treaty and that treaty was just outright violated by the United States in the 1900s. That has been recognised by the United States supreme court," he said. Anaya said he would reserve detailed recommendations on a plan for land restoration until he presents his final report to the UN human rights council in September. "I'm talking about restoring to indigenous peoples what obviously they're entitled to and they have a legitimate claim to in a way that is not devisive but restorative. That's the idea behind reconciliation," he said. But any such proposal is likely to meet stiff resistance in Congress similar to that which has previously greeted calls for the US government to pay reparations for slavery to African-American communities. Anaya said he had received "exemplary cooperation" from the Obama administration but he declined to speculate on why no members of Congress would meet him. "I typically meet with members of the national legislature on my country visits and I don't know the reason," he said. Last month, the US justice and interior departments announced a $1 billion settlement over nearly 56 million acres of Indian land held in trust by Washington but exploited by commercial interests for timber, farming, mining and other uses with little benefit to the tribes. The attorney general, Eric Holder, said the settlement "fairly and honourably resolves historical grievances over the accounting and management of tribal trust funds, trust lands and other non-monetary trust resources that, for far too long, have been a source of conflict between Indian tribes and the United States." But Anaya said that was only a step in the right direction. "These are important steps but we're talking about mismanagement by the government of assets that were left to indigenous peoples," he said. "This money for the insults on top of the injury. It's not money for the initial problem itself, which is the taking of vast territories. This is very important and I think the administration should be commended for moving forward to settle these claims but there are these deeper issues that need to be addressed."
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Anaya visited an Oglala Sioux reservation where the per capita income is around $7,000 a year, less than one-sixth of the national average, That isn't counting the welfare,food stamps,free utilities,and various other "freebies" they get because they are "victums". and life expectancy is about 50 years. That's because any tribal member with enough ambition to come in out of the rain (and sober enough to do so) left the reservation to go get a job the instant they turned old enough to catch a bus,leaving the parasites behind. They only live a average of 50 years because they never work (exercise),stay drunk,and eat too much of the wrong foods. They die from drinking,fighting,and diabetes.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Just wait 'til the UN singles out "African Racism Repayment" as well. WoW! This is cool that the US supports the UN with tax-payer dollars.
a good and just finding. I profoundly agree with them.
Then get the F out of America. You are squatting on Indian land. When do you depart?
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Why are you squatting on Indian land?
I don't squat, I use the toilet when I have to do number two. What does that have to do with anything?
You said you agree with the UN that you are squatting on Indian land. There is more then one definition of a squatter.
Squatting your editorialized take on this. That is not what the U.N. said.
Maybe he has "high cheekbones" like his phony indian candidate?
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
You got something against Indians?
honddope, You got something against Indians?
No. Against hypocrites. You know ones who say Yes Yes UN we should give back Indian lands. Then they say I'm not a squatter. Nothing against Indians. I am proudly part Cherokee.
The only thing high is you.
We have never respected or kept a single treaty we have made with native Americans. We have never respected their religion and culture. I see a very reasonable finding that we return part of what we stole. That is light years short of your alleged posture that they call for all the toothpaste to get back in the tube.
What part? Specifically.
Appropriate parts. What do you mean by specifically? Which tribe are you thinking about for one thing? I am not the arbitration entity here. Not to mention you seem more interested in positioning for a 'gotcha' then any discussion on this.
I might add, I know quite a bit on the topic. It is a very complex and sad story what our culture has done in this hemisphere to the indigenous peoples of these two continents.
Hey Mike. The Bible promised that would happen to cultures that reject God. It is in Leviticus or a book near that. Yes I was preparing a gotcha. But that is because your idea to "give" some land back to the Indians is a stupid one. Every nation earth was formed by the displacing of other inhabitants on the land. That is a fact of earth. Do you want the French to give their land back. What about the Chinese. The Russians? The Germans? No it is only Americans and Jews that you say that about. It is because your father the devil has an animosity towards God and his people just like you do.
White folks had more diseases to spread then we encountered. many people here before us did not survive that. here in the Willamette Valley most natives died from them. The native Americans in Southwestern Oregon fought for their land and rights and the gold hunter set they were having the most trouble with and others were intensely engaged in an attempt to genealogically rub them out. The Yakama Indians of Washington state are angry at the loss of their fishing grounds and want the U.S. to respect agreed upon hunting rights in that state. They should have these rights respected, and I'l like to see the dams removed from the Columbia River and the fisheries restored to closer to what they were before we came here. I have been to their reservation and knw then quite well. They are very pragmatic and no doubt would settle for far less then I would like to see them -- and ultimately us get.
You do not know anything about the papal Bull, The Doctrine of Discovery. You should read it before you spout such stupidity. For one thing, the Cherokees had assimilated out culture and religion. They asked President Jefferson if they could be assimilated and come under our flag and were refused on the basis of elements of that doctrine. They went off and helped us fight the Seminole Wars in Florida, they translated your Bible into their language. Yet greedy white farmers coveted their lands and farms that were indistinguishable from our own. Why were they not punished for their transgression of a key commandment? The Trail of Tears was an atrocity by our government. And your ignorance of these people and the details and circumstances of their exile from their lands is unimpressive; to say the least.
Do you have high cheekbones? Are you a big dick?
I don't know if my cheekbones are considered high or low or in the middle. The thought never crossed my mind. The second question is kind of strange.
We just don't need to know the answer to question two, Stone. Leave it at that.
I'd write the joke about it if I had the time.
Only the fake ones from the Ded Kennedy tribe. You approve of her stealing from genuine Native Americans? Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Are you a big dick? Hey Fred, shut the fuck up will you? Don't you have homework from your mentor to finish? Run along now.
You are either a illegal squatter/invader,or you don't believe your own dogma. Which is it? BTW,what is your opinion on the surviving Indian tribes giving up the land once they get it and paying repertations to any surviving members of the tribes THEY stole the land from? On a related note,what is your plan for getting the welfare blacks and the His and Her Panics to pay the Indians for the "Indian land" THEY are squatting on? How far back do you want to take this thing?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
"We iz da wurld....... We iz da peep-pulls...." I see a very reasonable finding that we return part of what we stole. Ok,why don't you start with the part you are standing or sitting on? Think your distant relatives in Ireland will be glad to see you and give you a free place to squat there?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Yup,it's a shame what we did to them poor,peace-loving,Ghia worshipping innocent chil-runs. After all,they were just minding their own business as they went about their cultural traditions of genocide of other tribes,capturing slaves,torturing their enemies to death,etc,etc,etc,and here we come along and force civilization on them. The horrors! Day be vict-tums! VICK-TUMS AH TELLS YA!
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
OUCH!
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
You'd have to go some to surpass Elizabethan England in the torture department.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
They own sovereign land right now, within the US, as we type. I see a very reasonable finding that we return part of what we stole. We didn't steal. Every nation on this Earth was formed from conquest of some sort. Every land on this earth used to be someone elses. Does the entire planet give their land back to the original inhabitants, or just the US? This entire argument is simply a tool to further divide America. Humans owned the land before, humans own it now. Race and/or culture only matters to the race and culture pimps. Should the shia muslims give Iraq back to the sunni muslims? And who controlled it before the sunni's? Does it go back to the sunni's or whomever controlled it before them? The entire argument is ridiculous.
Evil white bastards! All us white folks should kill ourselves! That's race pimping 101, Mike.
This entire argument is simply a tool to further divide America. Humans owned the land before, humans own it now. Race and/or culture only matters to the race and culture pimps. Should the shia muslims give Iraq back to the sunni muslims? And who controlled it before the sunni's? Does it go back to the sunni's or whomever controlled it before them? The entire argument is ridiculous. Very good, sound points, but the terminally STUPID will continue to reject it, even though they have NO sound solutions of their own.
"A friend will calm you down when you are angry, but a best friend will skip beside you with a baseball bat singing, "someone's gonna get it"
"Yet greedy white farmers" "Evil white bastards! All us white folks should kill ourselves!" LOL! I think you're right, WTP, we should just kill ourselves...MIKE, you go first since you seem to feel worse than most of us, I promise, we'll follow you.....sarc/off
"A friend will calm you down when you are angry, but a best friend will skip beside you with a baseball bat singing, "someone's gonna get it"
Here's another monkey wrench in your race pimping spokes... One of the fastest growing demographic groups in the United States is Hispanics. This is a relatively NEW phenomena. Will the brown people have to give the land back to us white people before we can give it back to the red people?
Naaah... that was just the result of the rich, mainly white 1 percent trying to take parts of Mexico over for their own private playground via NAFTA and other meddling in Mexico's economy. Which everyone knew would fail. The poor Mexicans either move or die so to your neighborhood they go. It's the least you can do for the elites...by helping them prevent a revolution and all that other nastiness.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
The lighter skinned Spanish took over Mexico from the darker skinned indigenous peoples of Mexico. Do they give the land back too? Or should the mixed 'race' mestizo's rightfully get the land? It's all so confusing.
One of the fastest growing demographic groups in the United States is Hispanics. This is a relatively NEW phenomena. It is only because the US government does not perform the job of guarding the US border.
Naaah...(rest of post ignored because it's irrelevant to the discussion) Then we 'take' the land, AGAIN, from the brown people and give it to the red people? But that would make the poor brown people vic tums...AGAIN! And where do all us white people go? Do we go take land from the indigenous white peoples of Europe and make them vic tums? Or, can white people even be vic tums?
Apparently the "why's" don't matter. All that matters in this discussion is the color of ones skin. At least, that's all that matters to the race pimps.
Every one down there already claims to be Aztec or Mayan.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
OK. Are they brown..... or red? Who am I supposed to hate here? Just us whites?
Personally I don't want to be an East German.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Who am I supposed to hate here? Just us whites? We'll leave you to stew in you self created conundrum.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
LOL! Sure you will. If only.
I suggest we start by giving back this piece of the East-side of Manhattan.
If the land in question, (assuming you want to be fair and and make this land exchange worldwide and not just in the US) originally belonged to an extinct people, say... those small folk science has dubbed 'Flores Hobbit' in Malaysia, what do we do with the land then? Auction? Lottery? Commune? And if you choose commune, doesn't that mean we still own the land because we decided its purpose?
Right after a controlled demolition, on Independence Day.
Hey Chuckles, why don't you chime in and tell us all how you feel about this article/idea? I personally believe that you feel yourself to be too stupid to engage in conversation with most on this forum. Am I correct?
I don't engage 'stupid people' but do enjoy watching them play... Carry on fool.
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'! LOL! Yep, we're all just your personal ant farm, aren't we Chuckles? Your superior intellect allows you to be the puppeteer and we're all on strings, just for your amusement. You could squash us all like bugs, but being the benevolent benefactor that you are, you simply sit back and watch us run into walls. All with the built in safety of never having to prove your superiority. You're a vagina. And an idiotic one at that. Comment on the article you posted. Or... are you afraid?
Are Indians any good at straightening out gun barrels?
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
. I know that we have our own disagreements , but we agree on alot more than we disagree on. This is a minor point, but where you use "*Extended Clip Progressives*", FYI the current proper term of art is "HIGHCAP Mag(azine)s", (highcap mags). Just trying to help.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
. FYI you wouldn't "straighten" that barrel. You'd cut/"bob" it if you wanted to reuse it. The barrel screws out of the frame. It's EASY to replace or bob a barrel. Even a libTURD could do it. ;^)
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Authorities say he used a Glock semiautomatic handgun with an extended clip that held 33 bullets in the attempted assassination of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. Read more: www.foxnews.com/us/2011/0...ock-pistol/#ixzz1u1SwhugI Libtard gun grabbers still mistakenly call ammo mags clips, so that's the term I used when creating that ping list. It fits with "progressive" IMO. That retarded sheriff is the one who blamed the whole thing on Palin's political flyer with the cross-hairs.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
. LOL! I've got cha. You want these libTURD FOOLS to understand you so you use their stupid and incorrect terminology so as not to confuse them, (any more than they are already that is). I see your point and I admire the thinking behind it. Thanks for that clear explanation. I stand corrected, (communication with libTURDSwise).
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Is this "lame response that has nothing to do with the subject" day? Or you just can't resist an attempt to make whites look worse than Indians?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Just providing some balance for those who believe Indians were worse than whites.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
WHAT "mixed race" Mexicans? Don't you know they are all Latin's that are direct descendants of Snow White and some Castillian Don? They be His and Her Panics,and they don't have a single drop of Injun blood in them and anybody who says they do is a damn racist! I wonder how many of those "Latinos" speak Latin?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Only if we return it to it's natural state and put a ban on every developing or renting it out.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Let's not get carried away,here. You would have to mention "index" and "Pin",and that would get them going to the library and the sewing room.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
There IS no balance. Indians WERE worse than whites in the respect that they tortured for fun instead of to punish or get information,and they never stopped this on their own. They had to be forced to stop.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
sp; Let's not get carried away,here. You would have to mention "index" and "Pin",and that would get them going to the library and the sewing room. Good point pete! My bad. LOL!
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
I don't know but that sculpture would look pretty cool in the lobby of their casino.
Nah, just you, weeps. That should suffice. Now you have to admit, that was funny!
Nah, just you, weeps. That should suffice. Now you have to admit, that was funny! Well..... kind of. I mean, the timing was good. But still... You'll do better next time, I'm sure of it. At least you're trying, right?
The only way the USSA keeps this land is by the USSA courts ignoring the repeated petitions from the very first broken treaty. How many treaties has First Nation broken? ZERO How many treaties has the USSA broken? All of them....;}
I'm First Nation. When the fu ck do you leave?...;} "Marshal Sahlins, a noted anthropologist and author of the widely circulated book, Stone Age Economics, reports that after studying many tribal economies, he finds that none of them come near the maximum yield of their environment. That made them stable and sustainable. One of the myths of civilization is that our ancestors were hungry, lived short lives, and only by a high birth rate, could sustain their populations. Just the opposite is true. Tribal people consciously kept their populations under control by herbal contraception, abortion, abstinence, long nursing periods and infanticide. Anthropologist Robert Allen in examining the !Kung Bushmen who live in the Kalahari desert of southern Africa finds that, "The proportion of men and women over 60 is 10 per cent-smaller than in the industrial countries of Europe and North America, but significantly greater than in the nonindustrial countries of the tropics."1 Infant mortality is higher in forager/hunter groups. Once puberty is reached though, their good health insures long life. When this is averaged, including their higher infant mortality, it causes the life-span numbers to be lower. This has allowed the familiar canard that "primitives lived short lives."
Not true. We fought wars with them to exterminate, they would fight wars where proving one's manhood was more important then the body count. Otherwise 'counting coup,' where a man humiliated his opponent by batting him with a non-lethal pole would of been a ridiculous thing; not something that brought respect. I would mention that we introduced the practice of 'scalping. It was a means of doing a headcount of eliminated natives where bounties were given out. During the colonial Pequot war, we destroyed one village genealogically, burning it to the ground killing every man, woman and child, much like the U.S. Army later did at Sand Creek, Wounded Knee and at other engagements. In the case of the Pequot war example, we were so brutal and merciless, our native allies were so horrified at the sight of what Western Civilization's view of the acceptability of genocidal war manifested itself as, many were reduced to tears of horror.
I'm white, dufus, does that mean you think I scream in horror when I look in the mirror and see a white man's face? it is citation of historical facts. I did not condemn the Cherokee for assimilating our culture. Had I done that, I would be exhibiting the sort of bias you erroneously attribute to my historic example of injustice, prosecution and theft.
Oh,HorseHillary! Indian tribes fought wars to exterminate other Indian tribes in order to take their lands away. They would keep a few women and children to replace the warriors they lost,but who Indian nations disappeared this way and the white man had nothing to do with it. In fact,John Smith of "Pocohontas" fame notes some Indian tribes having vanished between his first visit to the New World and the time he settled there. He made notes this was probably due to low numbers of that surviving tribe,and them being taken over by larger tribes in the area. The Counting Coup thing was to prove bravery,not win wars. I would mention that we introduced the practice of 'scalping. No,we didn't. It is true white settlers from France or England (can't remember which now) may have spread scalping due to pay-offs to one local tribe for eliminating another local tribe,but various Indian tribes had been taking "trophies" for who knows how long before whites even showed up. Since no Indian tribe had advanced to the point they had a written language,there are obviously no writings detailing how long ago they started taking scalps. During the colonial Pequot war, we destroyed one village genealogically, burning it to the ground killing every man, woman and child, much like the U.S. Army later did at Sand Creek, Wounded Knee and at other engagements. Once again,you are taking your PC history that only teaches the politically correct part of any event,and running with it. For example,the British attacked a village of Tuscarora (my ancestors) in the early 1700's,killing every man,woman,and child they found there. People take stories like this and react like it all happened in some sort of vacuum. It didn't. The British attack was in response to a Tuscarora attack on a British settlement,where the Tuscarora killed every white man,woman,and child. Except for the women they took as sex slaves,that is. The end result of all this after several other massacres by both sides that included the British importing a rival tribe from South Carolina to come to North Carolina to help with the fight was that the British paid the Tuscarora to move back to NY. Most did,but some disappeared into the swamp and remained in NC. Those who were caught were enslaved,despite it being illegal to enslave Indians. The Colonial Governor was a long ways away,and what he didn't know wouldn't hurt him, The thing being that it was the INDIANS that started the massacres and enslavements because they were the sort of the things they had always done. Do the words "Crotan" and "The Lost Colony" ring any bells with you?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
When the fu ck do you leave?...;} No asshole you are NOT. There is NO "FIRST" nation asshole. Whoever you claim was FIRST was NOT. They displaced somebody else asshole. You are little ol Lizzie Warren mctoejam, you're just workin the current system asshole. You libTURD SCUM can't breathe without working a FRAUD, often on your own dumb assed selves. When are YOU leaving mctoejam, when are going to walk the walk and go LIVE in a socialist paradise like ,....Cuba?, muder Russia?, perhaps the paradise of the middle kingdom commies? Where FRAUD where? When FRAUD when? GO FRAUD. GO. libTURD SCUM
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Certainly that all must have been shocking to the colonists who were accustomed to the peaceful co-existence that was European history.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
No, and google seems at a loss too.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Geesh, it's 'mans history'.
I kind of thought that too, but Sneaky says otherwise.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Well, Sneaky doesn't accept that his sinful self has separated himself from God and hence he isn't willing to see the whole of mankind as being incapable of being anything but evil. But I don't mind Sneaky. I just pray for him. He's not a bad sort.
I don't think he is either, but don't tell him, it might ruin our relationship.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
The question of identity is complex. Award-winning researcher Paul Heinegg and Dr. Virginia DeMarce found that ancestors of 80 percent of free people of color (including individuals on the census later claimed as Lumbee ancestors) in the 1790 and 1810 censuses on the North Carolina frontier were descended from families of white women and African men, and were free in colonial Virginia because of the mother's status. Many mixed-race people in frontier areas identified as Indian, Portuguese or Arab to escape racial strictures.[11][12] In 1952 the Croatan Indians voted to adopt the name of Lumbee (they were settled near the Lumber River, also called the Lumbee.) They achieved limited federal recognition in 1956 as an ethnic Indian nation by a special act of the US Congress, and accepted at the time that it was without benefits. Since then, they have tried to appeal to Congress for legislation to gain full federal recognition. Their effort has been opposed by several federally recognized tribes.[9][13] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_laws I believe he uses the old name for Lumbee Indians in North Carolina. Check out the article, as it is about Blood Quantum law, the law involved in determining who is or is not a tribal member. The Seminole and Lumbee Indians were groups that reflected that native Americans would accept white or black people as members of their group, where English colonists followed the doctrine of the the Doctrine of Discovery and an undue sense of racial superiority that manifested itself in the doctrine of Manifest Destiny. Both groups have large amount of African blood in their lineage.
hag; No, and google seems at a loss too. LOL! Talk about more PROOF that the hag is STUPID as a box of rocks! The stupid libTURD hag can't even run Google. To be fair it's "Croatan" not "Crotan", but that is a basic and simple thing to check on Google. IF you are seriously looking for the actual FACTS. It's how I found it. Once again proving, "you have to be STUPID to be a libTURD!"
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
You make a point,but a very minor one. Yeah,there were formal wars declared in Europe that were declared by the nobility or the Catholic Church,but once they were over the regular people lived normal lives and could go to bed at night without worrying about being murdered in their sleep by raiding parties. Unless they lived on the coast during early European history,that is. In that case there were Viking war parties until enough Viking raiders settled down with local women to eliminate the aggressive genes in Scandinavian people because the only ones left at home to breed where the wussies and cowards. With feather Indian tribes,war was a sport that never ended,and that was with friendly tribes. With tribes they really didn't like or were serious about taking their land away,it was genocide at play,not counting coup.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
That's probably because of my typo. Sorry about that. It's "Croatan", as in "The Lost Colony.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Really? That's insane! They are about as "Indian" as Ward Churchill. What they really are is (mostly) descendants from run away black slaves. Don't tell them that unless you want to fight,though. They are make-believe Indians looking for government freebies. Last I heard their application for federal status as a Indian tribe entitled to all sorts of free stuff had been denied. The only people I am aware of that ever claimed they were the Lost Colony settlers were them. AFAIK they did this to explain where a whole new Indian tribe came from. Their claim was the Lost Colony settlers bred with easter Indians and slowly moved to the center of the state to establish a new Indian nation where none had existed before. Many mixed-race people in frontier areas identified as Indian, Portuguese or Arab to escape racial strictures.[11][12] It was illegal to enslave Indians in Colonial Virginia and North Carolina,and there was at least one known tribe of Indians living along coastal SC that were as black as Africans. To the best of my memory they didn't have African features or hair,but they were that black. This is one of the tribes that just disappeared. I believe he uses the old name for Lumbee Indians in North Carolina. Croatan was the name of the first local tribe of feather Indians the white settlers met when landing in the New World. It was both their identity and the name of the island where they made their home. They had been friendly with the whites,and when John White returned from England and saw the word carved on a tree at the abandoned fort the settlers had been living in,it was thought that the settlers had either been attacked by them or had fled to Croatan Island looking for refuge for some reason. I can't remember the name of the island where the fort was established right now,but it was on the island where Manteo,NC is located,and where the Paul Greene play "The Lost Colony" performs at a reconstructed fort every summer. The last I heard,archeologists were still looking for the remains of the original fort,and had narrowed their search down to a area that is now off-shore due to erosion. If they have found anything out there I haven't heard of it. Which is entirely possible.I have a serious interest in this as well as other history,but don't follow it obsessively.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
I never got over the wonder of a people who, having extirpated the aboriginals of their continent more completely than any modern race had ever done, honestly believed that they were a godly little New England community setting examples to brutal mankind. Rudyard Kipling following a trip to Washington DC
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
#2. To: sneakypete (#1)
#3. To: Brian S (#0)
#4. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
a good and just finding. I profoundly agree with them.
#5. To: A K A Stone (#4)
#6. To: Ferret Mike (#5)
#7. To: A K A Stone (#6)
#8. To: Ferret Mike (#7)
#9. To: A K A Stone (#8)
#10. To: A K A Stone, Ferret Mike (#6)
Why are you squatting on Indian land?
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#11. To: A K A Stone (#4)
#12. To: hondo68 (#10)
You got something against Indians?
#13. To: Fred Mertz (#11)
You got something against Indians?
#14. To: hondo68 (#10)
#15. To: A K A Stone (#13)
#16. To: Ferret Mike (#15)
I see a very reasonable finding that we return part of what we stole.
#17. To: A K A Stone (#16)
(Edited)
#18. To: A K A Stone (#16)
#19. To: Ferret Mike (#18)
I might add, I know quite a bit on the topic. It is a very complex and sad story what our culture has done in this hemisphere to the indigenous peoples of these two continents.
#20. To: A K A Stone (#16)
#21. To: A K A Stone (#19)
#22. To: A K A Stone (#13)
(Edited)
Nothing against Indians. I am proudly part Cherokee.
#23. To: Fred Mertz (#22)
#24. To: A K A Stone (#23)
#25. To: A K A Stone (#23)
The second question is kind of strange.
#26. To: Fred Mertz, *Liberal Rehab Staff* (#12)
(Edited)
You got something against Indians?
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#27. To: Fred Mertz (#22)
Do you have high cheekbones?
#28. To: Ferret Mike (#7)
I don't squat,
#29. To: Ferret Mike (#15)
(Edited)
We have never respected or kept a single treaty we have made with native Americans. We have never respected their religion and culture.
#30. To: Ferret Mike (#18)
It is a very complex and sad story what our culture has done in this hemisphere to the indigenous peoples of these two continents.
#31. To: hondo68 (#26)
Only the fake ones from the Ded Kennedy tribe. You approve of her stealing from genuine Native Americans?
#32. To: sneakypete (#30)
Yup,it's a shame what we did to them poor,peace-loving,Ghia worshipping innocent chil-runs. After all,they were just minding their own business as they went about their cultural traditions of genocide of other tribes,capturing slaves,torturing their enemies to death,etc,etc,etc,and here we come along and force civilization on them.
#33. To: Ferret Mike (#15)
We have never respected or kept a single treaty we have made with native Americans.
#34. To: Ferret Mike (#21)
Yet greedy white farmers
#35. To: We The People (#33)
Does the entire planet give their land back to the original inhabitants, or just the US?
#36. To: We The People, Ferret Mike (#34)
#37. To: Ferret Mike (#21)
your ignorance of these people and the details and circumstances of their exile from their lands
#38. To: We The People (#37)
Will the brown people have to give the land back to us white people before we can give it back to the red people?
#39. To: Ferret Mike (#37)
#40. To: We The People (#37)
Here's another monkey wrench in your race pimping spokes...
#41. To: mininggold (#38)
Will the brown people have to give the land back to us white people before we can give it back to the red people?
#42. To: buckeroo (#40)
It is only because the US government does not perform the job of guarding the US border.
#43. To: We The People (#41)
Then we 'take' the land, AGAIN, from the brown people and give it to the red people?
#44. To: mininggold (#43)
Every one down there already claims to be Aztec or Mayan.
#45. To: buckeroo (#40)
It is only because the US government does not perform the job of guarding the US border.
#46. To: We The People (#44)
OK. Are they brown..... or red?
#47. To: mininggold (#46)
(Edited)
We'll leave you to stew in you self created conundrum.
#48. To: Brian S (#0)
#49. To: Ferret Mike (#21)
#50. To: Thunderbird (#48)
I suggest we start by giving back this piece of the East-side of Manhattan.
#51. To: Brian S (#0)
#52. To: We The People (#51)
#53. To: Brian S (#52)
I don't engage 'stupid people' but do enjoy watching them play...
#54. To: Thunderbird, *Extended Clip Progressives* (#48)
Gun sculpture at United Nations New York.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#55. To: hondo68, Thunderbird (#54)
Thunderbird, *Extended Clip Progressives*
#56. To: hondo68 (#54)
Are Indians any good at straightening out gun barrels?
#57. To: Mad Dog (#55)
Extended Clip Progressives*", FYI the current proper term of art is "HIGHCAP Mag(azine)s", (highcap mags).
The sheriff's office said an extended clip was found nearby and Loughner had two more 15-round magazines in his pockets, though police didn't say if any of those were loaded.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#58. To: hondo68 (#57)
#59. To: lucysmom (#32)
You'd have to go some to surpass Elizabethan England in the torture department.
#60. To: sneakypete (#59)
Or you just can't resist an attempt to make whites look worse than Indians?
#61. To: We The People (#39)
Or should the mixed 'race' mestizo's rightfully get the land?
#62. To: Thunderbird (#48)
#63. To: Mad Dog (#56)
It's EASY to replace or bob a barrel. Even a libTURD could do it.
#64. To: lucysmom (#60)
Just providing some balance for those who believe Indians were worse than whites.
#65. To: sneakypete (#63)
md; It's EASY to replace or bob a barrel. Even a libTURD could do it.
#66. To: hondo68 (#54)
Are Indians any good at straightening out gun barrels?
#67. To: We The People (#34)
All us white folks should kill ourselves!
#68. To: meguro (#67)
All us white folks should kill ourselves!
#69. To: Brian S (#0)
#70. To: A K A Stone (#4)
#71. To: sneakypete (#64)
"There IS no balance. Indians WERE worse than whites in the respect that they tortured for fun instead of to punish or get information,and they never stopped this on their own. They had to be forced to stop."
#72. To: We The People (#34)
"That's race pimping 101, Mike."
#73. To: Ferret Mike (#71)
Not true. We fought wars with them to exterminate, they would fight wars where proving one's manhood was more important then the body count. Otherwise 'counting coup,' where a man humiliated his opponent by batting him with a non-lethal pole would of been a ridiculous thing; not something that brought respect.
#74. To: mcgowanjm (#70)
I'm First Nation.
#75. To: sneakypete (#73)
Oh,HorseHillary! Indian tribes fought wars to exterminate other Indian tribes in order to take their lands away. They would keep a few women and children to replace the warriors they lost,but who Indian nations disappeared this way and the white man had nothing to do with it. In fact,John Smith of "Pocohontas" fame notes some Indian tribes having vanished between his first visit to the New World and the time he settled there. He made notes this was probably due to low numbers of that surviving tribe,and them being taken over by larger tribes in the area.
#76. To: sneakypete (#73)
Do the words "Crotan" ... ring any bells with you?
#77. To: lucysmom (#75)
#78. To: SJN (#77)
Geesh, it's 'mans history'.
#79. To: lucysmom (#78)
#80. To: SJN (#79)
He's not a bad sort.
#81. To: lucysmom, sneakypete (#76)
The Lumbee, a group which appeared to organize from a variety of peoples on the North Carolina frontier in the 19th century, achieved state recognition as Croatan Indian after Reconstruction.[9][10] This separate status allowed them to establish a school system for their children distinct from that for freedmen's children.[9]
#82. To: lucysmom, sneakypete (#76)
sp; Do the words "Crotan" (sic.) ... ring any bells with you?
#83. To: lucysmom (#75)
Certainly that all must have been shocking to the colonists who were accustomed to the peaceful co-existence that was European history.
#84. To: lucysmom (#76)
Do the words "Crotan" ... ring any bells with you? No, and google seems at a loss too.
#85. To: Ferret Mike (#81)
The Lumbee, a group which appeared to organize from a variety of peoples on the North Carolina frontier in the 19th century, achieved state recognition as Croatan Indian after Reconstruction.
#86. To: sneakypete (#83)
You make a point,but a very minor one.
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