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Title: Us Should Return Stolen Land To Indian Tribes, Says United Nations
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GUARDIAN UK
URL Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/201 ... s-stolen-land-indian-tribes-un
Published: May 4, 2012
Author: GUARDIAN UK
Post Date: 2012-05-04 20:03:22 by Brian S
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A United Nations investigator probing discrimination against Native Americans has called on the US government to return some of the land stolen from Indian tribes as a step toward combatting continuing and systemic racial discrimination. James Anaya, the UN special rapporteur on the rights of indigenous peoples, said no member of the US Congress would meet him as he investigated the part played by the government in the considerable difficulties faced by Indian tribes. Anaya said that in nearly two weeks of visiting Indian reservations, indigenous communities in Alaska and Hawaii, and Native Americans now living in cities, he encountered people who suffered a history of dispossession of their lands and resources, the breakdown of their societies and "numerous instances of outright brutality, all grounded on racial discrimination". "It's a racial discrimination that they feel is both systemic and also specific instances of ongoing discrimination that is felt at the individual level," he said. Anaya said racism extended from the broad relationship between federal or state governments and tribes down to local issues such as education. "For example, with the treatment of children in schools both by their peers and by teachers as well as the educational system itself; the way native Americans and indigenous peoples are reflected in the school curriculum and teaching," he said. "And discrimination in the sense of the invisibility of Native Americans in the country overall that often is reflected in the popular media. The idea that is often projected through the mainstream media and among public figures that indigenous peoples are either gone or as a group are insignificant or that they're out to get benefits in terms of handouts, or their communities and cultures are reduced to casinos, which are just flatly wrong." Close to a million people live on the US's 310 Native American reservations. Some tribes have done well from a boom in casinos on reservations but most have not. Anaya visited an Oglala Sioux reservation where the per capita income is around $7,000 a year, less than one-sixth of the national average, and life expectancy is about 50 years. The two Sioux reservations in South Dakota – Rosebud and Pine Ridge – have some of the country's poorest living conditions, including mass unemployment and the highest suicide rate in the western hemisphere with an epidemic of teenagers killing themselves. "You can see they're in a somewhat precarious situation in terms of their basic existence and the stability of their communities given that precarious land tenure situation. It's not like they have large fisheries as a resource base to sustain them. In basic economic terms it's a very difficult situation. You have upwards of 70% unemployment on the reservation and all kinds of social ills accompanying that. Very tough conditions," he said. Anaya said Rosebud is an example where returning land taken by the US government could improve a tribe's fortunes as well as contribute to a "process of reconciliation". "At Rosebud, that's a situation where indigenous people have seen over time encroachment on to their land and they've lost vast territories and there have been clear instances of broken treaty promises. It's undisputed that the Black Hills was guaranteed them by treaty and that treaty was just outright violated by the United States in the 1900s. That has been recognised by the United States supreme court," he said. Anaya said he would reserve detailed recommendations on a plan for land restoration until he presents his final report to the UN human rights council in September. "I'm talking about restoring to indigenous peoples what obviously they're entitled to and they have a legitimate claim to in a way that is not devisive but restorative. That's the idea behind reconciliation," he said. But any such proposal is likely to meet stiff resistance in Congress similar to that which has previously greeted calls for the US government to pay reparations for slavery to African-American communities. Anaya said he had received "exemplary cooperation" from the Obama administration but he declined to speculate on why no members of Congress would meet him. "I typically meet with members of the national legislature on my country visits and I don't know the reason," he said. Last month, the US justice and interior departments announced a $1 billion settlement over nearly 56 million acres of Indian land held in trust by Washington but exploited by commercial interests for timber, farming, mining and other uses with little benefit to the tribes. The attorney general, Eric Holder, said the settlement "fairly and honourably resolves historical grievances over the accounting and management of tribal trust funds, trust lands and other non-monetary trust resources that, for far too long, have been a source of conflict between Indian tribes and the United States." But Anaya said that was only a step in the right direction. "These are important steps but we're talking about mismanagement by the government of assets that were left to indigenous peoples," he said. "This money for the insults on top of the injury. It's not money for the initial problem itself, which is the taking of vast territories. This is very important and I think the administration should be commended for moving forward to settle these claims but there are these deeper issues that need to be addressed."
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#27. To: Fred Mertz (#22)
Are you a big dick? Hey Fred, shut the fuck up will you? Don't you have homework from your mentor to finish? Run along now.
You are either a illegal squatter/invader,or you don't believe your own dogma. Which is it? BTW,what is your opinion on the surviving Indian tribes giving up the land once they get it and paying repertations to any surviving members of the tribes THEY stole the land from? On a related note,what is your plan for getting the welfare blacks and the His and Her Panics to pay the Indians for the "Indian land" THEY are squatting on? How far back do you want to take this thing?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
"We iz da wurld....... We iz da peep-pulls...." I see a very reasonable finding that we return part of what we stole. Ok,why don't you start with the part you are standing or sitting on? Think your distant relatives in Ireland will be glad to see you and give you a free place to squat there?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Yup,it's a shame what we did to them poor,peace-loving,Ghia worshipping innocent chil-runs. After all,they were just minding their own business as they went about their cultural traditions of genocide of other tribes,capturing slaves,torturing their enemies to death,etc,etc,etc,and here we come along and force civilization on them. The horrors! Day be vict-tums! VICK-TUMS AH TELLS YA!
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
OUCH!
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
You'd have to go some to surpass Elizabethan England in the torture department.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
They own sovereign land right now, within the US, as we type. I see a very reasonable finding that we return part of what we stole. We didn't steal. Every nation on this Earth was formed from conquest of some sort. Every land on this earth used to be someone elses. Does the entire planet give their land back to the original inhabitants, or just the US? This entire argument is simply a tool to further divide America. Humans owned the land before, humans own it now. Race and/or culture only matters to the race and culture pimps. Should the shia muslims give Iraq back to the sunni muslims? And who controlled it before the sunni's? Does it go back to the sunni's or whomever controlled it before them? The entire argument is ridiculous.
Evil white bastards! All us white folks should kill ourselves! That's race pimping 101, Mike.
This entire argument is simply a tool to further divide America. Humans owned the land before, humans own it now. Race and/or culture only matters to the race and culture pimps. Should the shia muslims give Iraq back to the sunni muslims? And who controlled it before the sunni's? Does it go back to the sunni's or whomever controlled it before them? The entire argument is ridiculous. Very good, sound points, but the terminally STUPID will continue to reject it, even though they have NO sound solutions of their own.
"A friend will calm you down when you are angry, but a best friend will skip beside you with a baseball bat singing, "someone's gonna get it"
"Yet greedy white farmers" "Evil white bastards! All us white folks should kill ourselves!" LOL! I think you're right, WTP, we should just kill ourselves...MIKE, you go first since you seem to feel worse than most of us, I promise, we'll follow you.....sarc/off
"A friend will calm you down when you are angry, but a best friend will skip beside you with a baseball bat singing, "someone's gonna get it"
Here's another monkey wrench in your race pimping spokes... One of the fastest growing demographic groups in the United States is Hispanics. This is a relatively NEW phenomena. Will the brown people have to give the land back to us white people before we can give it back to the red people?
Naaah... that was just the result of the rich, mainly white 1 percent trying to take parts of Mexico over for their own private playground via NAFTA and other meddling in Mexico's economy. Which everyone knew would fail. The poor Mexicans either move or die so to your neighborhood they go. It's the least you can do for the elites...by helping them prevent a revolution and all that other nastiness.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
The lighter skinned Spanish took over Mexico from the darker skinned indigenous peoples of Mexico. Do they give the land back too? Or should the mixed 'race' mestizo's rightfully get the land? It's all so confusing.
One of the fastest growing demographic groups in the United States is Hispanics. This is a relatively NEW phenomena. It is only because the US government does not perform the job of guarding the US border.
Naaah...(rest of post ignored because it's irrelevant to the discussion) Then we 'take' the land, AGAIN, from the brown people and give it to the red people? But that would make the poor brown people vic tums...AGAIN! And where do all us white people go? Do we go take land from the indigenous white peoples of Europe and make them vic tums? Or, can white people even be vic tums?
Apparently the "why's" don't matter. All that matters in this discussion is the color of ones skin. At least, that's all that matters to the race pimps.
Every one down there already claims to be Aztec or Mayan.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
OK. Are they brown..... or red? Who am I supposed to hate here? Just us whites?
Personally I don't want to be an East German.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Who am I supposed to hate here? Just us whites? We'll leave you to stew in you self created conundrum.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
LOL! Sure you will. If only.
I suggest we start by giving back this piece of the East-side of Manhattan.
If the land in question, (assuming you want to be fair and and make this land exchange worldwide and not just in the US) originally belonged to an extinct people, say... those small folk science has dubbed 'Flores Hobbit' in Malaysia, what do we do with the land then? Auction? Lottery? Commune? And if you choose commune, doesn't that mean we still own the land because we decided its purpose?
Right after a controlled demolition, on Independence Day.
Hey Chuckles, why don't you chime in and tell us all how you feel about this article/idea? I personally believe that you feel yourself to be too stupid to engage in conversation with most on this forum. Am I correct?
I don't engage 'stupid people' but do enjoy watching them play... Carry on fool.
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'! LOL! Yep, we're all just your personal ant farm, aren't we Chuckles? Your superior intellect allows you to be the puppeteer and we're all on strings, just for your amusement. You could squash us all like bugs, but being the benevolent benefactor that you are, you simply sit back and watch us run into walls. All with the built in safety of never having to prove your superiority. You're a vagina. And an idiotic one at that. Comment on the article you posted. Or... are you afraid?
Are Indians any good at straightening out gun barrels?
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
. I know that we have our own disagreements , but we agree on alot more than we disagree on. This is a minor point, but where you use "*Extended Clip Progressives*", FYI the current proper term of art is "HIGHCAP Mag(azine)s", (highcap mags). Just trying to help.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
. FYI you wouldn't "straighten" that barrel. You'd cut/"bob" it if you wanted to reuse it. The barrel screws out of the frame. It's EASY to replace or bob a barrel. Even a libTURD could do it. ;^)
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Authorities say he used a Glock semiautomatic handgun with an extended clip that held 33 bullets in the attempted assassination of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. Read more: www.foxnews.com/us/2011/0...ock-pistol/#ixzz1u1SwhugI Libtard gun grabbers still mistakenly call ammo mags clips, so that's the term I used when creating that ping list. It fits with "progressive" IMO. That retarded sheriff is the one who blamed the whole thing on Palin's political flyer with the cross-hairs.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
. LOL! I've got cha. You want these libTURD FOOLS to understand you so you use their stupid and incorrect terminology so as not to confuse them, (any more than they are already that is). I see your point and I admire the thinking behind it. Thanks for that clear explanation. I stand corrected, (communication with libTURDSwise).
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Is this "lame response that has nothing to do with the subject" day? Or you just can't resist an attempt to make whites look worse than Indians?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Just providing some balance for those who believe Indians were worse than whites.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
WHAT "mixed race" Mexicans? Don't you know they are all Latin's that are direct descendants of Snow White and some Castillian Don? They be His and Her Panics,and they don't have a single drop of Injun blood in them and anybody who says they do is a damn racist! I wonder how many of those "Latinos" speak Latin?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Only if we return it to it's natural state and put a ban on every developing or renting it out.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Let's not get carried away,here. You would have to mention "index" and "Pin",and that would get them going to the library and the sewing room.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
There IS no balance. Indians WERE worse than whites in the respect that they tortured for fun instead of to punish or get information,and they never stopped this on their own. They had to be forced to stop.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
sp; Let's not get carried away,here. You would have to mention "index" and "Pin",and that would get them going to the library and the sewing room. Good point pete! My bad. LOL!
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
I don't know but that sculpture would look pretty cool in the lobby of their casino.
Nah, just you, weeps. That should suffice. Now you have to admit, that was funny!
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#28. To: Ferret Mike (#7)
I don't squat,
#29. To: Ferret Mike (#15)
(Edited)
We have never respected or kept a single treaty we have made with native Americans. We have never respected their religion and culture.
#30. To: Ferret Mike (#18)
It is a very complex and sad story what our culture has done in this hemisphere to the indigenous peoples of these two continents.
#31. To: hondo68 (#26)
Only the fake ones from the Ded Kennedy tribe. You approve of her stealing from genuine Native Americans?
#32. To: sneakypete (#30)
Yup,it's a shame what we did to them poor,peace-loving,Ghia worshipping innocent chil-runs. After all,they were just minding their own business as they went about their cultural traditions of genocide of other tribes,capturing slaves,torturing their enemies to death,etc,etc,etc,and here we come along and force civilization on them.
#33. To: Ferret Mike (#15)
We have never respected or kept a single treaty we have made with native Americans.
#34. To: Ferret Mike (#21)
Yet greedy white farmers
#35. To: We The People (#33)
Does the entire planet give their land back to the original inhabitants, or just the US?
#36. To: We The People, Ferret Mike (#34)
#37. To: Ferret Mike (#21)
your ignorance of these people and the details and circumstances of their exile from their lands
#38. To: We The People (#37)
Will the brown people have to give the land back to us white people before we can give it back to the red people?
#39. To: Ferret Mike (#37)
#40. To: We The People (#37)
Here's another monkey wrench in your race pimping spokes...
#41. To: mininggold (#38)
Will the brown people have to give the land back to us white people before we can give it back to the red people?
#42. To: buckeroo (#40)
It is only because the US government does not perform the job of guarding the US border.
#43. To: We The People (#41)
Then we 'take' the land, AGAIN, from the brown people and give it to the red people?
#44. To: mininggold (#43)
Every one down there already claims to be Aztec or Mayan.
#45. To: buckeroo (#40)
It is only because the US government does not perform the job of guarding the US border.
#46. To: We The People (#44)
OK. Are they brown..... or red?
#47. To: mininggold (#46)
(Edited)
We'll leave you to stew in you self created conundrum.
#48. To: Brian S (#0)
#49. To: Ferret Mike (#21)
#50. To: Thunderbird (#48)
I suggest we start by giving back this piece of the East-side of Manhattan.
#51. To: Brian S (#0)
#52. To: We The People (#51)
#53. To: Brian S (#52)
I don't engage 'stupid people' but do enjoy watching them play...
#54. To: Thunderbird, *Extended Clip Progressives* (#48)
Gun sculpture at United Nations New York. 
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#55. To: hondo68, Thunderbird (#54)
Thunderbird, *Extended Clip Progressives*
#56. To: hondo68 (#54)
Are Indians any good at straightening out gun barrels?
#57. To: Mad Dog (#55)
Extended Clip Progressives*", FYI the current proper term of art is "HIGHCAP Mag(azine)s", (highcap mags).
The sheriff's office said an extended clip was found nearby and Loughner had two more 15-round magazines in his pockets, though police didn't say if any of those were loaded.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#58. To: hondo68 (#57)
#59. To: lucysmom (#32)
You'd have to go some to surpass Elizabethan England in the torture department.
#60. To: sneakypete (#59)
Or you just can't resist an attempt to make whites look worse than Indians?
#61. To: We The People (#39)
Or should the mixed 'race' mestizo's rightfully get the land?
#62. To: Thunderbird (#48)
#63. To: Mad Dog (#56)
It's EASY to replace or bob a barrel. Even a libTURD could do it.
#64. To: lucysmom (#60)
Just providing some balance for those who believe Indians were worse than whites.
#65. To: sneakypete (#63)
md; It's EASY to replace or bob a barrel. Even a libTURD could do it.
#66. To: hondo68 (#54)
Are Indians any good at straightening out gun barrels?
#67. To: We The People (#34)
All us white folks should kill ourselves!
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