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Title: The Road From Serfdom
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URL Source: http://spectator.org/archives/2012/04/26/the-road-from-serfdom
Published: Apr 27, 2012
Author: Stephen Moore & Peter Ferrara
Post Date: 2012-04-27 17:59:07 by CZ82
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Comments: 49
The Road From Serfdom By Stephen Moore & Peter Ferrara Let workers choose: the New Deal, or a better deal? Conservative leaders—from Ronald Reagan and Newt Gingrich, to Tea Party Republicans who stormed the House in 2010—have been trying to reform and transform failed government programs for nearly two generations now, with only limited and frustrating progress. Republicans argue that the recipients of social spending will be better off under a conservative approach, but the public remains skeptical. Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, public schools, and welfare programs might be run poorly, but they are a security blanket nonetheless. Voters don't want to trade a devil they know for a devil they don't. Perhaps compulsion is the problem. The argument conservatives too often make seems to be: "Trust us; we know what's best for you." Yet when was the last time that voters trusted politicians of either party to make wise decisions on their behalf? With congressional approval now hovering in the teens, there is little likelihood the public will back fundamental reform of the $1 trillion entitlement system. But there is another way: Give individual citizens the freedom to either stick with the government-run plan, or choose a market-based option. Those who like Social Security and Medicare could keep them as they are. Those who think otherwise would have alternatives. Just look at what happened when House Republicans proposed to fundamentally change Medicare and give seniors private insurance instead. Democrats ran TV ads—the campaign was dubbed "Mediscare"—telling seniors the GOP was trying to destroy Medicare. One commercial shows a man in a suit pushing the wheelchair of an elderly woman. The man leads her to the edge of a cliff and throws her off, while "America the Beautiful" plays in the background. Scary stuff. But if Republicans gave seniors the choice, between the new Medicare and the old, could Democrats block that approach? Ultimately, we don't think so. And political benefits are just the hors d'oeuvre. We also believe that choice-driven programs would achieve social-welfare goals more effectively, serve seniors and the poor far better, and cost just a fraction of what taxpayers pay for current programs. Let's examine how this model might apply. Baby boomers are now beginning to retire; eventually more than 75 million boomers will move onto Social Security and Medicare. For decades, the federal government's own reports have shown that Social Security will be unable to pay boomers all promised benefits without dramatic, unsustainable tax increases. Medicare's prospects are even worse. Last year, Social Security ran an annual deficit for the first time since President Reagan and Congress raised the payroll tax back in 1983. Under government actuaries' middling projections for economic and demographic growth, those deficits will continue until the Social Security trust funds run dry by 2037. After that, paying all the promised Social Security and Medicare benefits that are financed by the payroll tax will require almost doubling the tax from 15.3 percent today to nearly 30 percent. Under more pessimistic growth projections, the Social Security trust funds will run out of money by 2029. In that case, paying all promised benefits to today's young workers would eventually require a total payroll tax rate of 44 percent, three times current levels. Social Security operates as a pure tax-and-spend system, so it has no real savings or investments anywhere. Even when it was running annual surpluses, close to 90 percent of the revenue that came in was paid out within the year. Remaining annual surpluses were lent to the federal government and spent on other programs, from foreign aid to bridges to nowhere. The Social Security trust funds received only internal federal IOUs, which promise the money will be paid back when it is needed for benefits. But those federal IOUs represent not savings, but actual additional liabilities for federal taxpayers. Such a tax and redistribution scheme does not earn real market returns, as a fully-funded savings and investment system would. Consequently, over the long run the "trust fund" can pay only low, below-market benefits. Studies show that for most young workers today, even if Social Security does somehow pay all it has promised, those benefits would represent a real rate of return of around 1 to 1.5 percent, or less. For many, the effective return might even be negative. That's like putting your money in a savings account, but instead of earning interest on it, you end up paying the bank for the pleasure of keeping your deposit there. There is a better way. Workers could be empowered to save and invest the money they and their employers would otherwise pay into Social Security. Studies show that an average-income, two-earner couple would, over the course of their careers, accumulate close to a million dollars or more, given standard, long-term, market returns, and depending on what fraction of their Social Security contributions they are allowed to invest. Lower-income workers could regularly accumulate half a million dollars over their careers. Those accumulated funds would pay all workers of all income levels and family combinations much higher benefits than Social Security even promises, let alone what it might pay. That includes one-earner couples with stay-at-home moms caring for the children. Retirees would be free to leave any portion of these funds to their children at death, further strengthening the family. Under Social Security, if you die, your heirs get a small death benefit, and Uncle Sam keeps the rest. In retirement, benefits payable from a worker's personal account would substitute for a portion of his regular Social Security benefits, based on the degree to which he exercised the account option over his career. This results in enormous reductions in government spending over time. The personal accounts wouldn't just reduce the growth of government spending. They would shift vast realms of such spending from public sector taxes to private sector savings, investment, and insurance. Workers could also freely choose what age to retire, since they finance their own benefits. The longer they wait, the more money the accounts accumulate, and the higher benefits those accounts can pay. Millions of workers with less physically taxing jobs could choose on their own to delay their retirements well into their 70s, a result that could never be imposed politically. Other workers whose jobs require heavy physical labor could choose to retire in their early 60s. With stocks or bonds in their portfolios, workers would also look at the world differently. As capitalists and owners of American companies through their investments, workers would become advocates of pro-growth, free-market policies that make U.S. companies more profitable. The traditional friction between owners of capital and laborers would be diminished, because workers would have a stake in growth. Personal accounts aren't just a theory, either. About 30 years ago, workers in Chile won just such freedom for their pension contributions. In the first month, 25 percent of workers chose to switch to the new personal account system. After 18 months, 93 percent of workers had switched. Within a few years, annual economic growth soared to 7 percent, double the country's historic rate, while unemployment fell to 5 percent. After 20 years, the enormous savings in the personal accounts totaled 70 percent of GDP. Today, workers pay into the personal accounts half the taxes required under the old system, yet they earn twice the benefits. Chile's reform has been recognized as such a success, that seven other nations in Latin America have adopted similar plans. Other such reforms have now flowered in Great Britain, Australia, Hungary, and Poland. But we don't have to travel the world to find models for personal accounts. In 1981, local government workers in and around Galveston, Texas, voted to opt out of Social Security and into a private savings and investment plan. The Thrift Savings Plan for federal employees has also been popular and successful. In 2005, Congressman Paul Ryan (R-WI) and Senator John Sununu (R-NH) introduced comprehensive model legislation to provide a personal account option for each American. The chief actuary of Social Security officially scored this legislation as achieving full solvency for the program, completely eliminating its deficits over time without any benefit cuts or tax hikes. In fact, the chief actuary recognized that future retirees with personal accounts would earn higher benefits than under Social Security. He concluded that 100 percent of American workers would choose the personal accounts. It's true that George W. Bush fought to reform Social Security in just such a manner, and was blown out of the water politically. But that Bush plan was poorly formulated and executed. Further, one of the talking points that sunk his proposal—the idea that stock market volatility makes personal accounts unsafe—has now been contradicted by real-world evidence. The 2008 financial meltdown was about the worst imaginable scenario for those worried about market volatility. But workers who retired in its immediate aftermath still would have done much better with personal portfolios than with Social Security. Even with the stock market crash, workers of all income levels and all races would have gained financially from private accounts and 40 years of compound interest, according to a study by Michael Tanner of the Cato Institute. Of course, that doesn't mean the left will oppose this plan with any less ferocity. After all, what we propose is a frontal assault against the modern-day entitlement system. Retired Americans would no longer be wards of the state, waiting eagerly for their checks each month, but would be instead financially self-sufficient. The political hurdle is to convince seniors and those near retirement that their benefits will not be cut, and that reform will offer young workers a better deal and keep the retirement system solvent for generations. We suspect that over time, most workers would freely choose to own their retirement income and remove it from the clutches of government control. What better way to break the back of the modern welfare state?
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#1. To: CZ82 (#0)
The GOP is trying to destroy Medicare just like they're trying to destroy public education.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
You despicable libTURD whore/TOOL. It's the demonRATS aka obama regime that is removing 500 BILLION dollars from Medicare RIGHT NOW, AND IS currently trying to destroy the entire Medicare system with obammy care. You tyrannical filth just always have to LIE don't you TOOL? YOU libTURDS are TRYING to destroy Medicare, just like YOU have destroyed "public education". You libTURDS are almost as pitiful as you are despicable.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Parasites don't like it when the host threatens to shake them off. She wants to suck on that government tit for as long as she can... and how dare you question her "right" to do so!!!!!!!!
Sig of LoonyMing: Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady Translation: WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, and IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH LoonyMing, you are one sick bitch.
Me personally I haven't counted on or worried about receiving Medicare or Social Security for some time now, because the politicians have made sure I wouldn't receive it anyway..... so why worry about it..... besides that it feels good to actually say to them "You can stick your handouts up your ass I don't need them"!!!!! Everyone in this country has had the chance to be all he/she can be and quite a few of them have blown it because they were lazy, didn't educate themselves, didn't save/invest and/or voted for the wrong people..... Public schools were destroyed a long time ago when the masses let the Leftards take over their childrens education, especially when they weren't qualified to do so because of their idiotic idealogy.... That's the main reason why there are so many stupid sheep in this country.......
"If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, you'll need to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not an idiot."
Right off the top of your wayward article are lies. Reagan and Gingrich were no "conservatives." And the this "Tea Party" Phenomena is another pile of GOP trash, too. CZ82 - YOU are so fucked-upped in the head you can't climb out of that single brain-cell where you crawl around all day long - the GOP is as FUCKED-UPPED as the COMMUNIST PARTY.
She wants to suck on that government tit for as long as she can... and how dare you question her "right" to do so!!!!!!!! Medicare is insurance as is Social Security. I have been working and paying for insurance since I was 17 and now it's my turn to collect. Do you have a problem with people collecting from private, for profit insurance companies?
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Median household income 2006-2010 was $51,914, median annual wage for 2011 was $26,364.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
So that's how conservatives take responsibility - leftards did it.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
LOL! Honest to God, this gibbering bitch is STUPID beyond mere words. What REALLY cracks me up is that "she" "thinks" that "she's" being "smart"! When what she is REALLY doing is shouting out to the entire world, "look at me I'm F'ing STOOOOOOOPID!" You just can't make this chit up! LMAO!!!
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
CZ82 - YOU are so fucked-upped in the head you can't climb out of that single brain-cell where you crawl around all day long - the GOP is as FUCKED-UPPED as the COMMUNIST PARTY. Why is it when somebody posts an article others go off the deep end thinking that the poster agrees with "EVERY SINGLE WORD" in the article????? So why don't you share some of your infinite wisdom with us and tell us who you consider to be a true conservative???? (That should be real easy the list is very short)....
"If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, you'll need to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not an idiot."
Reagan and Gingrich not conservative. Lol.
So then explain to me how it's conservatives fault that the kids in school now aren't learning a damn thing????? And don't bother giving me the song and dance about not enough local money being spent on schools (I.E. teachers salaries and Union dues).... Especially when it's Leftard policies (that are causing high unemployment) that are limiting the amount of tax money that can be collected!!! (You guys have just never figured out (or wanted to for that matter) that lower unemployment means more money to go around for everybody, including taxes)!!!!! Or..... are you going to go way back when the public school system was started and blame it on the people who started it???? You know you can always blame the parents too if you want, especially those that give their kids $5 of their Welfare checks and tells them to go get lost!!!!! It could also be the curriculum being forced on the school systems by the Federal government!!!! Hell, take your pick I'm all ears.....
"If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, you'll need to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not an idiot."
Good luck with that..... especially if you plan on living another 30 years, there will be no money..... Have you got a cardboard box set aside in the corner of the garage for when that day comes???? Or are you gonna move in with the kids, assuming you had some???? Last time I checked my Social Security statement it said "The law governing benefit amounts may change because, by 2037, the payroll taxes collected will be enough to pay only about 76% of scheduled benefits"....... (they conveniently forgot to mention all of the parasites they are adding to the rosters that have never paid in a single cent will quadruple by 2037)..... So what does this all mean???? YOU'RE SCREWED IF YOU DON'T HAVE MONEY OF YOUR OWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Just remember, you voted for it)!!!!
"If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, you'll need to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not an idiot."
You participated in a ponzi scheme, and my kids don't owe you squat.
There is only one ... Ron Paul.
In O-HI-O, did you not attend any form of education other than achieving mastership of falling off of roof-tops? I fixed your post. And you are absolutely correct, these two swines are not conservatives.
Epic Fail article. Reason: There is ZERO reference to serfdom. AAMOF 'the economy is recovering!' Then the Solution is given. That dog won't hunt.
Conservatives best idea to fix public schools is to destroy them. To that end, they have done their best to see that schools get less and less in funding. California public schools get around $7,500 per year, per student. To send a kid to a good private school in the area costs $35,000 per student, per year. You get what you pay for. And don't bother giving me the song and dance about not enough local money being spent on schools (I.E. teachers salaries and Union dues).... Especially when it's Leftard policies (that are causing high unemployment) that are limiting the amount of tax money that can be collected!!! (You guys have just never figured out (or wanted to for that matter) that lower unemployment means more money to go around for everybody, including taxes)!!!!! How much money do you think a professional should earn? Here are some numbers: A teacher with a four year bachelor’s degree may make less than a teacher with a master’s degree. The ranges for teacher salary in Chicago, IL vary from $37,372 to $89,620. This wide range obviously incorporates education level and experience of a multitude of teachers. Teacher salary also depends on what school level or subject teachers specialize in. A secondary school teacher may make more than a primary school teacher. In Chicago, a primary school teacher makes approximately $44,480. A secondary school teacher makes about $4,000 more, or $48,180. The average mathematics teacher makes $38,211, while the average science teacher makes $62,391. These teachers may make up to $52,977 or $87,946, respectively. A history teacher at the secondary level makes $38,256. The highest reported income for a history teacher in Chicago is $53,106. These wide ranges include teachers in public and private institutions at a variety of experience levels. webcache.googleuserconten...chers%2Bpay&gs_l=&ct=clnk Last summer a friend's 3rd year engineering student son got an internship that paid him $25.00 an hour - that works out to $52,000 a year. That same son, BTW was educated in public schools. He learned enough to get into UC, and has been accepted into two universities masters engineering programs.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Another thirty years is overly optimistic. Last time I checked my Social Security statement it said "The law governing benefit amounts may change because, by 2037, the payroll taxes collected will be enough to pay only about 76% of scheduled benefits"....... First, I've been hearing ever since I can remember that Social Security would not be there for me when I retire. Second, the average pay in the US amounts to about $25,000 a year. How much money do you think the average guy has left over for retirement after paying for food, housing, transportation, clothing, utilities including phone, health care, dental work, etc. (and some are jealous that 40% of Americans don't pay income taxes).
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
The money was lent and spent on the promise of repayment with interest - there is a moral as well as a contractual obligation to repay.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Can you blame them, especially when you look at the product that's coming out of those schools.... What's the percentage of students coming out of those schools that are functionally illiterate???? How many kids graduate high school when they should still be in school because they've lowered the standards so much????? Dumbass programs like no child left behind????? Who really cares if the kid is held back because he can't meet standards, it's really for his/her own good!!!---- that's life!!!! The kid will make new friends it's just a fact of life....
"If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, you'll need to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not an idiot."
Actually I thought the true 'conservatives' desired the destruction of the entire US gov't so it can be recreated in 'their image'. What happened with that?
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'! If you look at the pay scale between public and most private school teachers you will find out that it's actually pretty close, but the public teachers do make more on average... Truthfully there would be little need for private schools if they would weed out the bad teachers, change the curriculum, raise the standards and enforce behavioral requirements for those children in the public schools..... If that would happen I don't think you would hear people complain about public schools.... But it's not and that's why they're mad!!!! It's the end product that matters, as long as the kids are being properly prepared for life who really cares if it came from public or private schools... I know I don't...
"If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, you'll need to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not an idiot."
I suppose you expect that should all be accomplished with fewer teachers, resources, and money. Actually California schools are on the way to being informally privatized. Wealthy school districts have created private foundations to supplement public money. In a wealthy community in my county this translates to over $18,000 per student while another a few miles away has to make do with substantially less. The school in the wealthy community has 1 teacher to 12 students and has and test score rating of 10 out of a possible 10. Less than 5 miles away another public school has $10,000 to spend per student, 1 teacher to 20 students, and test score rating of 3 out of a possible 10. Not all public schools are failing.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
That depends on what your definition of failing means!!!!
"If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, you'll need to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not an idiot."
Not really, most of the reforming just requires a different mindset..... What is needed is a "We are here for the children to make them ready for life" mindset... And a "We aren't here to idealogical indoctrinate the children" mindset... Not the same old crap like.... "Free Viagra should be part of my contract"... "We have to cheat on the childrens testing so that we get money we don't deserve and will waste on our retirement portfolios" Or "Hey kid get outta my face if you want answers go ask the drug dealer on the corner"!!!!!
"If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, you'll need to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not an idiot."
The nice thing about teaching in a private school is that students are cherry picked.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
STONE: You participated in a ponzi scheme, and my kids don't owe you squat. Oh, that's *exactly* what she thinks. YOUR kids, MY kids, everyone is on the hook so that she can "collect" what was "promised" to her by lying politicians. She doesn't give a FUCK if our kids are enslaved or killed- as long as she gets what's coming to her... She'll happily stand by, while the rest of the country burns to the ground, as long as SHE is fat and happy... Were she to accept the fact that she (like millions of others) was the victim of a Ponzi scheme... Were she to accept the fact that nothing is coming to her... Were she to accept the fact that there IS no money for her, than she would be forced to accept some measure of responsibility. She simply refuses to accept this. It really IS that simple.
Sig of LoonyMing: Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady Translation: WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, and IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH LoonyMing, you are one sick bitch.
I bet that's exactly how you felt when Bush pushed through his tax cuts rather than put the country on a sound financial footing, and now you're projecting again.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
A friend of mine graduated from a Southern California high school around '71, and couldn't read or write. His father, a very wise man, bought him a subscription to Playboy and he learned to read. Writing and arithmetic he learned by making out bills for service work. He did become literate, but it was after he left school. This was a very progressive high school offering things like surfing as a class. Once (if) they returned from surfing, they were too stoned to learn anything.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Interesting. Attempting to put your odious agenda onto me, eh? LOL. Nice. Of course, you didn't deny my point, or attempt to refute it in any way. After all, how could you, when you made your attitudes very clear over a YEAR ago...? Your post (#5 I believe) simply reiterates what you've said over and over... you want yours, and you don't give a FUCK about anything, or anybody else. Oh, yes... You attempt to talk obliquely (often ending up just being obtuse), but even so, your message and your demands come through loud and crystal-clear. To your demands, my answer is quite simple: Eat shit and DIE, you selfish old bitch. Is what I said in any way unclear?
Sig of LoonyMing: Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady Translation: WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, and IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH LoonyMing, you are one sick bitch.
Loonybitch: I bet that's exactly how you felt when Bush pushed through his tax cuts rather than put the country on a sound financial footing, and now you're projecting again. Interesting. Attempting to put your odious agenda onto me, eh? LOL. Nice. Eric, the agenda to which you refer came straight out of your fevered, twisted imagination. Take ownership of your creation like a good conservative man. I am not responsible for what you make up, YOU are.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Hardly. It was written by YOU, post #6, where you said "it's my turn to collect." Indeed. It's not my imagination, it's your words, which you've stated repeatedly. And to the point where you don't give a fuck about anyone else... well, you can't deny it, now, CAN you?
Sig of LoonyMing: Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady Translation: WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, and IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH LoonyMing, you are one sick bitch.
Your list seems to be longer than mine.......
"If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, you'll need to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not an idiot."
Indeed. It's not my imagination, it's your words, which you've stated repeatedly. And to the point where you don't give a fuck about anyone else... well, you can't deny it, now, CAN you? Aren't you the guy who claims to have a strong math background? If so, it should be clear to you exactly what is wrong with the conclusion you draw from my statement. I'm guessing you know, but don't expect others do.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
There is no flaw. Your attempts to hide your agenda have failed. But I must admit, I find your efforts to dress your greed in more sophisticated clothes amusing. In a nutshell, you want to be the fat guy on top: Again, to your demands, my answer is quite simple: Eat shit and DIE, you selfish old bitch. Is what I said in any way unclear?
Sig of LoonyMing: Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady Translation: WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, and IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH LoonyMing, you are one sick bitch.
So then you buy insurance, but never use it for the purpose it was intended because to do so would be greedy? Again, Eric did you support the Bush tax cuts, or did you support paying down the debt when we had the chance?
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Translation: WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, and IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH LoonyMing, you are one sick bitch. That tagline belongs to me, not some figment of your imagination, "LoonyMing". BTW, your "translation" is way off base, but it does permit you to follow up with "LoonyMing, you are one sick bitch."
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
I have medical insurance, which I pay for out of my own pocket. I have never used it, nor needed it. But if I did, the bill would not be sent to others to pay, should the cost exceed the coverage of my policy. When it comes to retirement, I am not in any government-sponsored programs, except the "Social Security" TAX. [And considering I've got another 20-30 years left of working time, I'll never see a penny of the money that the government has confiscated, to hand over to parasites like you.] Indeed, my retirement plans, are those that I've been working on for ~15 years. These plans also actively avoid government-subsidized programs like the Roth IRA, 401k, etc. They're invisible to the government radar and unable to be easily confiscated, like broke (and desperate) governments invariably do, when their backs are against the wall. My savings, my assets and my future are my responsibility, not soemone else to pay for. Unlike you, I have accepted the responsibility for my own destiny, and am loathe to become a ward of the state- which is exactly what you intend to do. The total NPV of existing government debts are $211 Trillion dollars. You could confiscate every cent of wealth and assets in this country- plus- you could raise the tax rates to 100% (confiscating all salaries, wages, bonuses, etc.), and still the government will be utterly bankrupt. Thus, your question in moot. But that's not a real surprise- your question wasn't about whether I "support" this or that, it was merely to distract. Again, you failed. The point of this article still remains: Strangely, you prefer to be a ward of the state. It'seasier to be a lazy parasite, than to take responsibility for your own well-being. Where I come from, we call that cowardice. You're a dying breed, Loony... and your failure to take responsibility for yourself, will only hasten the end result. Your life doesn't mean anything to me; what matters is that you won't put my kids into indentured servitude, because you want what's coming to you. Forced to make the choice between some hag like you, and my kids...? You'll lose. COUNT ON IT.
Sig of LoonyMing: Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady Translation: WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, and IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH LoonyMing, you are one sick bitch.
You claim to "brandish [your] ignorance" as a defense, which infers a reciprocal relationship between ignorance and strength. That's the beauty of language, loonyming... Words mean things. You proclaim your use of ignorance as a shield... In this case, your words merely confirm what I already knew- you're mentally deranged, because you refuse to accept reality. I put it on my sig, because it's just TOO good not to. It demonstrates how "1984" you really are...
Sig of LoonyMing: Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady Translation: WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, and IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH LoonyMing, you are one sick bitch.
In the same way, my living expenses exceed my SS payment, and I pay what is not covered out of my own pocket. I'll never see a penny of the money that the government has confiscated...] Certainly not if you get your way and dismantle the program. The total NPV of existing government debts are $211 Trillion dollars. You could confiscate every cent of wealth and assets in this country- plus- you could raise the tax rates to 100% (confiscating all salaries, wages, bonuses, etc.), and still the government will be utterly bankrupt. Most people with a mortgage and car loan would be bankrupt too if they were asked to pay the balance of their loans in one lump sum. Strangely, you prefer to be a ward of the state. It'seasier to be a lazy parasite, than to take responsibility for your own well-being. If I purchased an annuity, would I be a ward of the institution I purchased it from? You're a dying breed, Loony... Indeed, that's why I collect SS. Where I come from, we call that cowardice. I guess where you come from being brave and independent is calling old ladies rude names on internet forums. Your life doesn't mean anything to me; what matters is that you won't put my kids into indentured servitude, because you want what's coming to you. You've let me know in many way that my life means nothing to you, so holding that mind set, why would you think your children would mean anything to anyone other than yourself and their mother?
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestJust look at what happened when House Republicans proposed to fundamentally change Medicare and give seniors private insurance instead. Democrats ran TV ads—the campaign was dubbed "Mediscare"—telling seniors the GOP was trying to destroy Medicare. One commercial shows a man in a suit pushing the wheelchair of an elderly woman. The man leads her to the edge of a cliff and throws her off, while "America the Beautiful" plays in the background. Scary stuff.
#2. To: lucysmom, CZ82 (#1)
The GOP is trying to destroy Medicare just like they're trying to destroy public education.
#3. To: Mad Dog, lucysmom, CZ82 (#2)
lucysmom: The GOP is trying to destroy Medicare just like they're trying to destroy public education.
The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
-- Baghdad Bri-bri --
#4. To: lucysmom (#1)
The GOP is trying to destroy Medicare just like they're trying to destroy public education.
#5. To: CZ82 (#0)
Conservative leaders—from Ronald Reagan and Newt Gingrich, to Tea Party Republicans who stormed the House in 2010—have been trying to reform and transform failed government programs for nearly two generations now, with only limited and frustrating progress.
#6. To: Capitalist Eric (#3)
Parasites don't like it when the host threatens to shake them off.
#7. To: CZ82 (#4)
Everyone in this country has had the chance to be all he/she can be and quite a few of them have blown it because they were lazy, didn't educate themselves, didn't save/invest and/or voted for the wrong people.....
#8. To: CZ82 (#4)
Public schools were destroyed a long time ago when the masses let the Leftards take over their childrens education, especially when they weren't qualified to do so because of their idiotic idealogy....
#9. To: lucysmom, CZ82 (#7)
Median household income 2006-2010 was $51,914, median annual wage for 2011 was $26,364.
#10. To: buckeroo (#5)
Right off the top of your wayward article are lies. Reagan and Gingrich were no "conservatives." And the this "Tea Party" Phenomena is another pile of GOP trash, too.
#11. To: CZ82, buckeroo (#10)
#12. To: lucysmom (#8)
So that's how conservatives take responsibility - leftards did it.
#13. To: lucysmom (#6)
(Edited)
Medicare is insurance as is Social Security. I have been working and paying for insurance since I was 17 and now it's my turn to collect.
#14. To: lucysmom (#6)
Medicare is insurance as is Social Security. I have been working and paying for insurance since I was 17 and now it's my turn to collect.
#15. To: CZ82 (#10)
So why don't you share some of your infinite wisdom with us and tell us who you consider to be a true conservative???? (That should be real easy the list is very short)....
#16. To: A K A Stone (#11)
Reagan and Gingrich [are] not conservative.
#17. To: CZ82 (#0)
#18. To: CZ82 (#12)
So then explain to me how it's conservatives fault that the kids in school now aren't learning a damn thing?????
#19. To: CZ82 (#13)
Good luck with that..... especially if you plan on living another 30 years
#20. To: A K A Stone (#14)
You participated in a ponzi scheme, and my kids don't owe you squat.
#21. To: lucysmom (#18)
Conservatives best idea to fix public schools is to destroy them. To that end, they have done their best to see that schools get less and less in funding. California public schools get around $7,500 per year, per student.
#22. To: CZ82 (#21)
Conservatives best idea to fix public schools is to destroy them.
#23. To: lucysmom (#18)
California public schools get around $7,500 per year, per student. To send a kid to a good private school in the area costs $35,000 per student, per year. You get what you pay for.
#24. To: CZ82 (#23)
Truthfully there would be little need for private schools if they would weed out the bad teachers, change the curriculum, raise the standards and enforce behavioral requirements for those children in the public schools..... If that would happen I don't think you would hear people complain about public schools.... But it's not and that's why they're mad!!!!
#25. To: lucysmom (#24)
Not all public schools are failing.
#26. To: lucysmom (#24)
I suppose you expect that should all be accomplished with fewer teachers, resources, and money.
#27. To: CZ82 (#26)
Not the same old crap like.... "Free Viagra should be part of my contract"... "We have to cheat on the childrens testing so that we get money we don't deserve and will waste on our retirement portfolios" Or "Hey kid get outta my face if you want answers go ask the drug dealer on the corner"!!!!!
#28. To: A K A Stone, Lucysmom (#14)
LoonyMing: Medicare is insurance as is Social Security. I have been working and paying for insurance since I was 17 and now it's my turn to collect.
The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
-- Baghdad Bri-bri --
#29. To: Capitalist Eric (#28)
She doesn't give a FUCK if our kids are enslaved or killed- as long as she gets what's coming to her... She'll happily stand by, while the rest of the country burns to the ground, as long as SHE is fat and happy...
#30. To: CZ82 (#21)
(Edited)
What's the percentage of students coming out of those schools that are functionally illiterate????
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#31. To: lucysmom, A K A Stone (#29)
Capitalist Eric: She doesn't give a FUCK if our kids are enslaved or killed- as long as she gets what's coming to her... She'll happily stand by, while the rest of the country burns to the ground, as long as SHE is fat and happy...
Loonybitch: I bet that's exactly how you felt when Bush pushed through his tax cuts rather than put the country on a sound financial footing, and now you're projecting again.
The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
-- Baghdad Bri-bri --
#32. To: Capitalist Eric (#31)
Capitalist Eric: She doesn't give a FUCK if our kids are enslaved or killed- as long as she gets what's coming to her... She'll happily stand by, while the rest of the country burns to the ground, as long as SHE is fat and happy...
#33. To: lucysmom (#32)
Eric, the agenda to which you refer came straight out of your fevered, twisted imagination.
The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
-- Baghdad Bri-bri --
#34. To: buckeroo (#15)
There is only one ... Ron Paul.
#35. To: Capitalist Eric (#33)
"it's my turn to collect."
#36. To: lucysmom (#35)
(Edited)
If so, it should be clear to you exactly what is wrong with the conclusion you draw from my statement.
The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
-- Baghdad Bri-bri --
#37. To: Capitalist Eric (#36)
But I must admit, I find your efforts to dress your greed in more sophisticated clothes amusing.
#38. To: Capitalist Eric (#36)
Sig of LoonyMing: Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
#39. To: lucysmom (#37)
So then you buy insurance, but never use it for the purpose it was intended because to do so would be greedy?
Again, Eric did you support the Bush tax cuts, or did you support paying down the debt when we had the chance?
what we propose is a frontal assault against the modern-day entitlement system. Retired Americans would no longer be wards of the state, waiting eagerly for their checks each month, but would be instead financially self-sufficient. The political hurdle is to convince seniors and those near retirement that their benefits will not be cut, and that reform will offer young workers a better deal and keep the retirement system solvent for generations. We suspect that over time, most workers would freely choose to own their retirement income and remove it from the clutches of government control. What better way to break the back of the modern welfare state?
The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
-- Baghdad Bri-bri --
#40. To: lucysmom (#38)
That tagline belongs to me, not some figment of your imagination, "LoonyMing".
The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
-- Baghdad Bri-bri --
#41. To: Capitalist Eric (#39)
I have never used it, nor needed it. But if I did, the bill would not be sent to others to pay, should the cost exceed the coverage of my policy.
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