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Title: Martin attorney: Zimmerman misled court about money
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URL Source: http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/27/justi ... man-money/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Published: Apr 27, 2012
Author: CNN Wire Staff
Post Date: 2012-04-27 06:42:50 by Ferret Mike
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(CNN) -- The attorney for Trayvon Martin's family says George Zimmerman should be back in jail because he failed to tell a judge he had $204,000 during a recent bond hearing. "They tried to portray themselves as indigent that they did not have any money," said Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump. "We think the court should revoke his bond immediately, and he should be held accountable for misleading the court." Zimmerman, who is charged with second-degree murder in the fatal shooting of unarmed 17-year-old Martin, has been given about $204,000 from supporters his lawyer Mark O'Mara said Thursday. The donations Zimmerman received will be discussed Friday at a court hearing in Florida, O'Mara said. O'Mara told CNN's "AC360" that Zimmerman told him Wednesday of the donations as they were trying to shut down his Internet presence to avoid concerns about possible impersonators and problems with his Twitter and Facebook accounts. "He asked me what to do with his PayPal accounts, and I asked him what he was talking about," O'Mara told Anderson Cooper. "He said those were the accounts that had the money from the website he had. And there was about ... $204,000 that had come in to date." Discussing Zimmerman's finances Zimmerman raises over $200,000 online The gun laws where you live Will Sanford politics affect case? O'Mara had said earlier this month that he believed Zimmerman had no money. "I think he's indigent for costs," he said, adding that Zimmerman's relatives had few assets. Zimmerman, 28, was released Monday on $150,000 bail, 10% of which his family put up to secure his release. He is accused in the February 26 death of Martin, who was African-American. Critics have accused Zimmerman of racially profiling Martin and unjustly killing him. Zimmerman said he shot Martin in self-defense. Asked whether knowledge of the money might have made a difference to Judge Kenneth Lester Jr., who presided at Zimmerman's bond hearing, O'Mara said, "It might have." O'Mara continued, "I'm certainly going to disclose it to the court tomorrow -- coincidentally, we have a hearing." The hearing was originally scheduled to discuss issues about the unsealing of Zimmerman's criminal file, but the donations could overshadow that issue. Crump said Zimmerman's failure to reveal that he had the money shows that he is being dishonest. "If his testimony at the bond hearing is any indication of what is to come, then the lying has already begun," Crump said. O'Mara said he was prepared to "deal with any fallout," but predicted Lester would not feel misled. "I told him what I knew at the time, which was exactly what I was aware of." The money has been placed in a secure account since O'Mara learned about it, he said, adding, "Nobody's touching it until we figure out how to handle it." But criminal defense attorney Mark Geragos said Lester might not react benignly. "I know a lot of judges who would remand the guy back into custody immediately," he said. "If you've got more money stashed in an account and you could just pay the bond and be gone, that gives a lot of judges concern." Though the account has been closed, O'Mara said he intends to open a legal defense fund for Zimmerman. "I've had dozens, hundreds actually, of people wanting to donate," he said. O'Mara, who said he charges $400 per hour for family law cases, estimated Zimmerman's defense costs could reach $1 million. "You can really go through a lot of money on a case like this, with the intensity of it," he said. Although details of the shooting remain murky, it is known that Martin ventured out from the Sanford home of his father's fiancee and went to a nearby convenience store, where he bought a bag of candy and an iced tea. On his way back, he had a confrontation with Zimmerman, who shot him. Zimmerman had called 911 to complain about a suspicious person in the neighborhood, according to authorities. In the call, Zimmerman said he was following Martin after the teen started to run, prompting the dispatcher to tell him, "We don't need you to do that." Zimmerman pursued Martin anyway but then said he lost sight of him. According to an Orlando Sentinel story later confirmed by Sanford police, Zimmerman told authorities that after he briefly lost track of Martin, the teen approached him. After the two exchanged words, Zimmerman said, he reached for his cell phone, and then Martin punched him in the nose. Zimmerman said Martin pinned him to the ground and began slamming his head onto the sidewalk, leading to the shooting. Police have said Zimmerman was not immediately charged because there was no evidence to disprove his account that he'd acted in self-defense. A police report indicated he was bleeding from the nose and the back of his head.
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#1. To: All, A K A Stone (#0)
No comment about Zimmerman's lies about his assets? Hypocrate.
Bail was set and paid. Have you disclosed everything about your assets to government?
And he lied during the process leading up to it destroying waht little veracity he may have had after he murdered Martin. As for me, I have no slush fund and pay my taxes. I also don't harass people on the street because they are wearing a hood, and are walking slowly as they chat with their girlfriend on the phone like this criminal did.
Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. I see nothing illegal in what he did. I assume he had an arrangement with his family members to put up the 10%.
If your bail was $150,000, and you had $204,000, would you pay the $150,000, or have your family members put up 10%?
he lied about his assets and trolled the Internet for donations playing pauper. And as for 'innocent until proven guilty,' why are you silent when Stone calls for the Nazi-like extermination of trans-gender people or others he is intolerant of showing he did not learn history's lesson about the Holocaust? If you mean what you say, you will take him to task. Who sets the line who goes to the gas chamber? After trans-gender people, who else goes? Who appointed him to play God and decide who deserves to live and die? When you get a spine on this, get back to me.
I wouldn't have my family post bail for me, and if I had the assets and had to post bail, I'd do it. I also wouldn't try to exploit people around the country and try to make money off of them with a gimme Internet site.
He was not released because of indigence. He was released as someone who had no previous convictions and who had very strong ties to the community and who had kept the police informed of his whereabouts and who immediately surrendered himself for arrest. And he surrendered his passport and wears a GPS-transmitting ankle bracelet. No indication at all that the judge would have set a higher bail if he knew that Zimmerman had more money. After all, any judge should recognize that hiring a good attorney and paying costs for things like expert witnesses (audio experts for instance) will necessarily involve hundreds of thousands of dollars. It is routine to let defendants raise money for their defense in these high-profile cases where the prosecution is willing to spend millions to try to convict. You are drawing unwarranted conclusions. I see nothing to indicate that Zimmerman lied about his finances or that the judge would have made the bail higher if he had known Zimmerman had more money.
That is your perspective. I see it differently. And as for 'innocent until proven guilty,' why are you silent when Stone calls for the Nazi-like extermination of trans-gender people or others he is intolerant of showing he did not learn history's lesson about the Holocaust? If you mean what you say, you will take him to task. Who sets the line who goes to the gas chamber? After trans-gender people, who else goes? Who appointed him to play God and decide who deserves to live and die? Stone has the right to say anything he'd like to say, just like yourself and the rest of us. Not only that, but it's his forum and he's not on trial for murder. When you get a spine on this, get back to me. If you're going to get all Lisa 'Left Eye' Lopez about it, I'd rather not.
Can't find the nerve to stand up to the nazi running the joint huh? LOL. Coward.
OK, would you pay the $150,000 or put up 10%? Would you go out in public, walking down the street to pay your bail if you were Zimmerman, in such a high profile case with a bounty already placed on you, or would you have a person unknown to the public go post the bail for you? And who in the hell are you to have already convicted and sentenced this man without a trial or any evidence presented? Obama?
Zimmerman is being taken to task for his self serving lack of honesty about his actions that led to him murdering a teenage boy. If veracity was his goal, he failed by hiding his assets. I hope he gets a fair trail, but I am not impressed with anyone with no law enforcement training playing vigilante bothering people not doing anything wrong on the street and then shooting an unarmed boy. I don't know how this will play because of that bad 'stand your ground law' that makes murder an option if someone really wants to arrange it to happen. And I hope the neighborhood association gets hosed in civil court over this.
Coward. Now you, like most leftists do, are allowing your emotions to control your thought processes. If you actually believe that I'm a coward, I'll be happy to meet you somewhere so you can test your hypothesis. Hell, I love to fight. ;o)
If Zimmerman is guilty, he'll be proven so in a court of law by a jury of his peers after all evidence has been presented. If Zimmerman was attacked like he claims, the shooting was justified as self defense. If he wasn't, then he's guilty.
Well, I sure wouldn't go out and bother people who are not breaking laws then shoot them. I am actually very well trained with firearms, and I have been attacked while a student in Portland getting my paralegal certificate at PCC. I was given a roundhouse kick which did not drop me as I have karate training too anchoring my stance and fighting back. I was doing very well for the first thirty seconds and when his friends who were there wanting to keep booting those he had been dropping to the sidewalk started in on me, two bouncers from a nearby bar stepped in backing them off. I was armed with a concealed firearm, but would of resisted pulling it out and using it just because of a loser game like these Eastside White Pride members were playing. I was familiar with their antics, and they would of been prone to back down rather than go lethal in what they were doing. I will definitely take a few licks and endure some pain and minor injuries before I will escalate things with a firearm. They were interdicted by Portland Police a short while later and got into trouble for the attacks they made to others before getting to me as I was walking from Powell's Books where I had been studying. I have also been stolen from and could of used a weapon to drop the theif before he got away, but I won't kill over a stolen bicycle. I later got the machine back. I take the responsibility of carrying concealed very seriously. And I would not kill because I had a bloody nose and a scraped head. If this dummy had not had a weapon, no one would of been killed. In fact, he probably would of not been so Dirty Harry about playing vigilante and left alone what was not broken until he touched it.
I believe the law is deeply flawed, and the standard needed to convict is not one that serves the interest of justice. I very much want to see this neighborhood Association and him get their clocks cleand in civil court over this bad behavior by this wannabe vigilante.
What Stone did was take a very German nazilike stand that anyone he hates definitively deserves systematic extermination. If you can't speak up about that with an opinion, I'd feel guilty about beating up a timid guy like you.
What if you actually thought you were going to be killed? What if Zimmerman's story is true, and this kid had him on the ground smacking his head into the concrete? If this dummy had not had a weapon, no one would of been killed. Well, while I respect your opinion as well as your right to voice it, I simply don't agree with it, because there is NO way that you could know this for a fact. You have taken sides in a fight where another man's life is in the balance without knowing the facts. That's a knee jerk response.
My opinion is, Stone has the right to say whatever he'd like, as do you. What's the difference between Stone wanting someone dead because of his beliefs and you wanting someone to be found guilty of murder without knowing the facts? Both end up with someone dead. In Florida, First-degree murder and Felony murder are capital crimes. And just for the record, in my gym, if you come in trained in karate, you come in to trained to tap. ;o)
It isn't at all clear that Stand Your Ground law applies to this case. I think it will be a classic self-defense case. So do a lot of lawyers.
Blah-blah-blah. We've already heard it. It comes down to this: the purpose of bail is to allow maximum freedom prior to trial. The judge had absolutely no cause to doubt that Zimmerman would fail to show up for his trial.
Much ado about nothing. But it sure tells me a lot about rat-boy.
Sig of LoonyMing: Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady Translation: WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, and IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH LoonyMing, you are one sick bitch.
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He's charged with second degree murder, not first. As far as Stone goes, you have a right to make your opinion on his opinion known, and it is telling to me that you are underwhelmed about the thought of him wanting a whole set of people dead. As for conviction, the law being written as it is, he will likely get away with murder. Thus as with OJ Simpson getting away with murder, I hope he and the neighborhood association gets successfully sued by this boy's family; much as OJ was deservedly lost when he was sued. My main focus is wanting to see the law backed down from the stand your ground concept. I don't have any blood lust for Zimmerman.
I have nothing against you Eric, but you have consistently attacked me with little or no provocation based on a difference of opinion. You have a right to like or dislike me, but suffice it to say I won't lose any sleep if you don't. I was civil toward you when you arrived based on things you had posted on eLPee I had liked, and when you tore into me, I just put you on my kill file list. I find you interesting to read, but if you don't want me to listen to your perspective the remedy is easy; just start in again and back you go on the list. It's as simple as that. Because I'll always listen to criticism or argue a point. But I won't listen to a constant diatribe in which personality and damning someone's overall ideology are the primary focus.
Can't do that under the stand your ground defense - acquittal ! Such is ... considering all the facts - evidence - case law --- a forgone conclusion ! The lacrosse fiasco backfired on the libs - duke university ! Dom Imus took the hit for that one ! Looks like all you spearchuckers are going to thrash yourselves again ! Lose the election too !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
You're a socialist useful-idiot. I support the Constitution, as it was originally written. It's more than just a "difference of opinion," rat-boy... it's the fact that you stand for everything I despise. You're a parasite on society. You're a poseur in the intellectual arena, when in reality you're just a friggin' janitor. As to why I despise you, let's give a few examples from this thread: Yeah, how DARE someone have the ability to DEFEND themselves, eh? Your "belief" is based on emotions, not "the interest of justice." People have the right to be secure in their lives, unmolested by others or the government. Damn, that Constitution is just so inconvenient, isn't it???? Who appointed YOU to throw out that (oh-so-incovenient) Constitution??? After all, that IS what you try to do, when you push to have "Stand Your Ground" laws repealed. TELL us, rat-boy... How many guns do you own right now? Make, model, caliber? Or do you own any guns? Really? And what, praytell, is your PROOF of that? What happened to "innocent until proven guilty?" (Damn that INCONVENIENT Constitution, eh?) If you were truly interested in "justice," you wouldn't be throwing around such statements. The TRUTH is, you've already made up your mind, and TRUTH BE DAMNED. Yeah, you're motivated by "justice," aren't you? Ahh, the MONEY-SHOT. When all else fails, revert to the Rules of Disinformation. LOL. #8. Invoke authority. Thanks for playing, you Now, don't you have some toilets to clean?
Sig of LoonyMing: Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady Translation: WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, and IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH LoonyMing, you are one sick bitch.
Yeah, I was a paperboy far longer then a custodian. And the custodial position was secondary to my primary job at market. I am also not a socialist, and I have a B.S. in Poli Sci at the University of Oregon. I didn't learn jargon by not studying and readingand writing papers full of jargon in many books that were far too expensive. You essentially 'despise' to tear others down with the aim to build yourself up, hopefully at another's expense. This is an election year, and there is a great deal of work we are doing at the office I work at downtown, jerk. And I am not karate 'expert,' I just have a brown belt in Shotakon Karate. One that is out of practice with his katas, as I was that day in Portland I was attacked. Which is why I took a good anchor before worrying about a slow, and easy to counter roundhouse kick. I was not boasting. I am also a good shot, loved paint ball when I lived in Portland and North Carolinaalong with very good combt arms training in the Army; even have some nice handguns and weapons, but I am also hardly no expert, dick head. save the insults and belittlements. Back on Bozo you go, because I do chose my battle wisely, and when I argue with an immature type like you, it's pointless. You just don't understand how to debate the issues.
Which means diddley-shit. Your statements demonstrate otherwise. I don't care if you call yourself "Green," a "liberal," a "democrat," of a Martian, your statements demonstrate your political leanings- even on this thread. I stand by my statement: you're a socialist useful-idiot. A completely useless degree. No wonder you work as a janitor. It would seem we agree on this point. Were this hypothesis to have any value, it would logically necessitate that I gain something by talking to nitwits like you. But you don't bring anything to the table, so what possible benefit do I get from tearing you down? You presume that I work to make you look stupid; but for that, you don't need any help. I- and others- simply won't let your bullshit lies stand unchallenged. There are two types of people that I can't stand: liars and thieves. You LIE on a regular basis, and you want to STEAL my rights, via Government Leviathan. And you think I'm not gonna' call you on your shit? This is the same kind of arrogance that oBungler displays... which is why America is silently buying arms and ammunition in record numbers... Because WE aren't going to tolerate your shit. Uh-huh. Which is why you put out there that "I am actually very well trained with firearms... I have karate training..." In other words, to establish yourself as an "expert." You failed. Yet you put out information to infer that you are. Oooh, you received Army training... where, at BOOT? Again, you put it out there, to infer an expertise, that you (now) claim you don't have. So were you lying before, or are you lying now? Which IS it, rat- boy? It doesn't really matter if you answer; as I said, I despise liars and thieves... You're easily the first, and tacitly approve of the latter. Face it, rat-boy... you're a loser. You're a janitor who's a wannabe- somebody, yet you have no marketable skills, you're unable to accept responsibility for your actions (leading to being booted out of the service), and you've got nothing to show for your empty life, except a few rain-bow shirts, and a startling resemblance to someone who played your intellectual twin on TV: Thanks for playing, dipshit.
Sig of LoonyMing: Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady Translation: WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, and IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH LoonyMing, you are one sick bitch.
Did Zimmerman have access to his pay-pal account while in jail? Was the money sent to the pay-pal account before he was freed on bail or after? Was the Zimmerman account properly set up and administered? What is the legality and or procedure for using money from a legal defense fund for bail purposes? I'll wait.
#2. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
Zimmerman, 28, was released Monday on $150,000 bail, 10% of which his family put up to secure his release.
#3. To: We The People (#2)
#4. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
#5. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
#6. To: We The People (#4)
#7. To: We The People (#5)
#8. To: Ferret Mike (#1)
No comment about Zimmerman's lies about his assets?
#9. To: Ferret Mike (#6)
he lied about his assets and trolled the Internet for donations playing pauper.
#10. To: We The People (#9)
#11. To: Ferret Mike (#7)
I wouldn't have my family post bail for me, and if I had the assets and had to post bail, I'd do it.
#12. To: TooConservative (#8)
#13. To: Ferret Mike (#10)
Can't find the nerve to stand up to the nazi running the joint huh? LOL.
#14. To: Ferret Mike (#12)
Zimmerman is being taken to task for his self serving lack of honesty about his actions that led to him murdering a teenage boy.
#15. To: We The People (#11)
#16. To: We The People (#14)
#17. To: We The People (#13)
#18. To: Ferret Mike (#15)
I was armed with a concealed firearm, but would of resisted pulling it out and using it just because of a loser game like these Eastside White Pride members were playing.
#19. To: Ferret Mike (#17)
If you can't speak up about that with an opinion, I'd feel guilty about beating up a timid guy like you.
#20. To: Ferret Mike (#12)
I don't know how this will play because of that bad 'stand your ground law' that makes murder an option if someone really wants to arrange it to happen. And I hope the neighborhood association gets hosed in civil court over this.
#21. To: Ferret Mike (#12)
Zimmerman is being taken to task for his self serving lack of honesty about his actions that led to him murdering a teenage boy.
#22. To: We The People (#2)
The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
-- Baghdad Bri-bri --
#23. To: Ferret Mike (#1)
Hypocrate.
#24. To: We The People (#19)
#25. To: Capitalist Eric (#22)
#26. To: Ferret Mike (#24)
(Edited)
hope he and the neighborhood association gets successfully sued by this boy's family;
#27. To: Ferret Mike (#25)
I have nothing against you Eric, but you have consistently attacked me with little or no provocation based on a difference of opinion.
I believe the law is deeply flawed, and the standard needed to convict is not one that serves the interest of justice.
Who appointed [A K A Stone] to play God and decide who deserves to live and die?
...his actions ... led to him murdering a teenage boy.
I sure wouldn't go out and bother people who are not breaking laws then shoot them. ... I would not kill because I had a bloody nose and a scraped head. If this dummy had not had a weapon, no one would of been killed.
I am actually very well trained with firearms... I have karate training... I take the responsibility of carrying concealed very seriously. And I would not kill because I had a bloody nose and a scraped head.
Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough 'jargon' and 'minutia' to illustrate you are 'one who knows', and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources. (wannabe') weapons-expert karate-master legal- eagle socialist shit-bag.
The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
-- Baghdad Bri-bri --
#28. To: Capitalist Eric (#27)
(Edited)
"You're a socialist useful-idiot. I support the Constitution, as it was originally written. It's more than just a "difference of opinion," rat-boy... it's the fact that you stand for everything I despise. You're a parasite on society. You're a poseur in the intellectual arena, when in reality you're just a friggin' janitor."
#29. To: Ferret Mike (#28)
(Edited)
Yeah, I was a paperboy far longer then a custodian. And the custodial position was secondary to my primary job at market.
I am also not a socialist,
I have a B.S. in Poli Sci at the University of Oregon.
didn't learn ...
You essentially 'despise' to tear others down with the aim to build yourself up, hopefully at another's expense.
I am not karate 'expert,'
I am also a good shot... I am also hardly no expert, dick head. save the insults and belittlements.
The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
-- Baghdad Bri-bri --
#30. To: Ferret Mike (#1)
(Edited)
No comment about Zimmerman's lies about his assets?
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