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Title: Walker's Wis. Lost Most Jobs in Nation
Source: newser.com
URL Source: http://www.newser.com/story/144793/ ... -lost-most-jobs-in-nation.html
Published: Apr 26, 2012
Author: By Rob Quinn, Newser Staff
Post Date: 2012-04-26 04:56:31 by Ferret Mike
Keywords: None
Views: 18502
Comments: 59

(Newser) – Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker's efforts to keep his job took a hit this week from a report showing how many voters lost theirs. Between March 2011 and March 2012, the state lost 23,900 jobs, more than any other state in the nation, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics report. Some 17,800 of those were in the public sector, but the state also led the country in private-sector job losses with 6,100, reports the Christian Science Monitor. Only Mississippi and Rhode Island also saw the number of private sector jobs shrink in the same period.

Walker—who faces a recall election in June—has been playing up more recent data in his campaign, pointing out that the state gained 17,000 jobs in the first two months of this year. But another 4,300 jobs were lost in March, and his Democratic opponents note that Walker promised to bring 250,000 private sector jobs to the state in his first term. "He really put this number on the table. If anyone said, ‘Judge me by the jobs,’ it was Scott Walker,” a labor economist notes.

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#27. To: Ferret Mike (#0)

When I was in High School back in the early '70s, at football games the two schools sat on opposite sides of the stadium and the students would compete in a cheer: "We've got spirit, yes we do, we've got spirit, how 'bout YOU!" It was mindless fun, as it went back and forth and generated some excitement without rancor. Sometime in the last 30 years that good spirit was lost and the cheer is now: "Our team is red hot, your team ain't doodly-squat!"

This forum is apparently of the latter generations.

How about a few facts? (Not that the article is any example, as it did not detail which types of jobs were lost). Wisconsin is still struggling to balance their budget. It has among the lowest reserve (rainy day) funds among all the states. If the economy there is to recover it needs productive private sector jobs first to support whatever government services the people want.

Few understand Shumpeterian "creative destruction", which describes liquidating mal-investment (cutting your losses) to free up the investment capital for more productive pursuits. Cutting government jobs to prevent the further drag of debt on the state budget allows that saved money (both salaries and debt service) to be re-invested in more productive jobs.

Anthem  posted on  2012-04-26   11:55:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#29. To: Anthem (#27) (Edited)

"This forum is apparently of the latter generations."

This forum has mediocre and talentless management which is foundational as to why it lives primarily in the Ad hominem zone, so I am mindful of your lament and sympathize.

Democracy is involved in a long and complicated process in Wisconsin. The koch Brothers got their stooge in the Governors house, and a Republican majority eager to do their bidding.

But the public will and intelligence is a constant thorn in their side as they try to use money, influence and power to subvert the process and disenfranchise people from their role in running their country.

I'll ferret around for that particular sort of data in relation to this story.

And if you wish to debate this in a way not usually seen at LF, I assure you I would be most happy to.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-04-26 12:06:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Anthem (#27)

Cutting government jobs to prevent the further drag of debt on the state budget allows that saved money (both salaries and debt service) to be re-invested in more productive jobs.

Of course if those laid off employees are collecting unemployment benefits then the state is still shelling out money, but not getting the benefit of work in exchange while the exemployees are reducing growth-stimulating spending.

CARSON CITY -- If Gov. Jim Gibbons and legislators decide to lay off thousands of state employees to save money, the state still will be on the hook for paying their unemployment benefits, which would cost more than $1 million a month for every 1,000 workers affected.

Besides unemployment costs, the state would be obligated to pay laid-off workers for any sick leave and vacation time they have accumulated...

www.lvrj.com/news/laying-...t-taxpayers-83230487.html

lucysmom  posted on  2012-04-26 12:19:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Anthem (#27)

Date: April 24, 2012

To: Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee

From: Andrew Myers and Ben Lazarus

Wisconsin Recall State Senate Districts

According to the findings of our recent surveys1 of Wisconsin State Senate Districts 21, 23 and 29 our data and central findings differ sharply in two of the three districts from the recent Public Policy Polling polls released. To be succinct about the differences, our polls clearly put the odds on Democrats taking back the State Senate in June.

Senate District 21
Of the three polls conducted, PPP is closest to our findings in this district and we both show the contest within the margin of error. Specifically, our live dial poll shows Democrat John Lehman starting just above majority status against Republican Van Wanggaard, 51 to 47 percent, within our survey’s margin of error. PPP showed the contest within the margin as well, though in Wanggaard’s favor, 46 to 48 percent. Regardless of who is right, there is little to no question that this race will come down to the wire.

Senate District 23
Notably our data differ substantially from the PPP survey in this district. Specifically, our polling shows Democrat Kristen Dexter locked in a bitterly close dead heat with Republican incumbent Terry Moulton, 47 to 49 percent. PPP’s survey has the contest a 10-point race, Moulton’s favor, 41 to 51 percent.

Looking under the surface the trends between the two polls match nearly perfectly among men (Myers Research has Dexter trailing among men by 17-points, 39 to 56 percent, while PPP’s poll has her trailing by a similar 36 to 57 percent). The real difference between our poll and PPP’s is the trend among women. According to PPP’s results, women split evenly here (45 percent apiece). Our survey shows Dexter with a double-digit edge among them, 54 to 43 percent.

There is an additional, and substantial difference in these surveys in the party self-identification trend as well. Despite the National Committee for an Effective Congress (NCEC) ranking Democratic Performance here at 54.4 percent in 2010, PPP’s poll shows partisan self-identification favoring Republicans by 9 points, 26 percent Democrat, 39 independent, and 35 percent Republican. Our poll has the trend substantially closer to the historical performance, 30 Democrat, 40 independent and 29 Republican.

Senate District 29
This contest pairs two members of the Assembly for this open seat, Democrat Donna Seidel and Republican Jerry Petrowski. Again, despite the historic competitive nature of this district, which had a 52.7 percent Democratic performance rating in 2010 according to NCEC, PPP’s polling has this contest a near blowout with Petrowski besting Seidel by double-digits, 37 to 51 percent. Our polling shows a far more competitive contest from the start with the candidates locked in a much tighter 6-point race with Seidel at 45 percent to Petrowski’s 51 percent.

As with the 23rd Senate District, PPP’s polling has party self-identification leaning very strongly Republican, with 26 percent saying they are Democrats, 37 independent and 37 Republican. Our own polling has partisan self-identification much closer to the historical trend with 33 percent calling themselves Democrats, 36 percent independents and 31 percent Republicans.

Beyond partisan self-identification, our polling again conflicts with PPP in the trend we see with women here. Specifically, our polling shows a very wide 31-point gender gap afoot in this district, with women favoring Seidel by 9-points, 53 to 44 percent while men favor Petrowski by 22-points, 36 to 58 percent. While the PPP data is an agreement with ours on the trend among men, we again differ substantially on the trend with women as they have Seidel trailing among women by double-digits, 38 to 50 percent.

One final point on this district. The RSLC recently went on the air with a substantial buy and a tough spot accusing Seidel of failing on the economy and jobs. In return, Seidel is up with a tougher spot highlighting Petrowski’s lack of respect for women. If this race were a double-digit blowout as suggested by the PPP survey, it is odd that it is the first of these Senate recall campaigns to be on the airwaves.

The Broader Picture
PPP also draws a fairly dangerous conclusion claiming they are seeing more Republican energy in these races. Our polling, and a comparison of our time series in the two districts where we have it, could not differ more substantially from their conclusion. Indeed, we see the opposite trend, and find it to be one of the most encouraging findings in our research. Specifically in 2010 in the two of these three districts we polled we faced a massive enthusiasm gap and party self-identification lagged dramatically behind what we would have expected given historical performance. However, that was then and today we see the opposite. Partisan identification has improved and is back to the level we would expect and more importantly, enthusiasm about the recall elections has rebounded and is at parity today, as shown in the graphs here. All in all, and contrary to PPP’s assertion, these contests are incredibly competitive and Democrats are clearly primed and energized to vote. Notably, Democrats need just one win to take the majority while Republicans need to run the table. Our data puts the odds on Democrats taking back the Senate.

http://www.dlcc.org/files/DLCC_WI_Memo_2012-04-24.pdf

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-04-26 13:08:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Anthem (#27)

Sometime in the last 30 years that good spirit was lost and the cheer is now: "Our team is red hot, your team ain't doodly-squat!"

This forum is apparently of the latter generations.

Bingo.

LoonyMing (one person using two screen-names), rat-boy and Brian S, are all hard-core leftists.

They squeal like stuck pigs if the socket-puppet sitting in the White House has an "R" after their name, and turn into complete suck-ups, if the sock-puppet wears a "D."

Of course, the sock-puppets do the bidding of their masters (bankster-class), and are turning the country into a full-tilt police state... But to these moronic leftists, it's good if the boot that's on your neck is the left boot, and bad if it's the right boot.

Which, IMHO, is completely insane, but there you are....

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-04-26 13:11:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Anthem (#27)

Just curious, did you take your nick from the title of the book Anthem by Ayn Rand?

It id a short work, but I liked it.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-04-26 13:38:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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