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Title: Walker's Wis. Lost Most Jobs in Nation
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URL Source: http://www.newser.com/story/144793/ ... -lost-most-jobs-in-nation.html
Published: Apr 26, 2012
Author: By Rob Quinn, Newser Staff
Post Date: 2012-04-26 04:56:31 by Ferret Mike
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(Newser) – Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker's efforts to keep his job took a hit this week from a report showing how many voters lost theirs. Between March 2011 and March 2012, the state lost 23,900 jobs, more than any other state in the nation, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics report. Some 17,800 of those were in the public sector, but the state also led the country in private-sector job losses with 6,100, reports the Christian Science Monitor. Only Mississippi and Rhode Island also saw the number of private sector jobs shrink in the same period. Walker—who faces a recall election in June—has been playing up more recent data in his campaign, pointing out that the state gained 17,000 jobs in the first two months of this year. But another 4,300 jobs were lost in March, and his Democratic opponents note that Walker promised to bring 250,000 private sector jobs to the state in his first term. "He really put this number on the table. If anyone said, ‘Judge me by the jobs,’ it was Scott Walker,” a labor economist notes.
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#6. To: Ferret Mike (#5)
What a statement in this day. Since reagan and PATCO.
Then there will have to be a revolution across the board w/in weeks/months. That's the only way. Too many vectors moving in the wrong direction. Example: A $250 000 home accessible only by car has little value in Amerika today. A house = a Barrel of oil
8D Ahhh, the Top .01%'s spokesman. Good to meet ya, Apparatchik....;} Q: How would you describe the economy? A: It is a system that allows a select few to borrow immense fortunes. The rest of us … you, me, everyone else … repay the debts. … Q: That’s it? A: That’s it.
Noting how the USSAMedia was frothing at the mouth when Walker was beating the drum.... Now? Not so much. Kinda like Murdoch/Cameron in the Queen's Depression across the pond.... Just nothing really to talk about.....LMAO
The good guys don't always win every battle. Reagan was every bit the tool Walker is, that does not make his wrongs right either.
No doubt your masters would prefer a docile working class, grateful for any scraps from their betters table.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
The good guys don't always win every battle. Reagan was every bit the tool Walker is, that does not make his wrongs right either. I love your spirit, Mike. The unions remind me of myself. I keep losing every battle, but I'm still here....;} Good on ya, mate. We're all the Working class now. May Day....invented in the USA....the Oligarchs were so afraid that they moved it to September 1....8D
Struggles have all kinds of chapters and stages to them. The only way we are going to have a healthy middle class and be a prosperous and thriving nation is for worker's rights to be respected and there to be a balance that counters the greed and inhumanity of greedy corporations and one percenters is by workers organizing and insisting on a living wage and adequate benefits. There are many elements and stages to this struggle. It is one that is going to go on for a long time.
Shouldn't you be out preparing to celebrate the glorious dictatorship of the proletariat on May Day? Oops, I forgot that we got rid of that noxious commie holiday. My bad. I know you guys get kinda touchy about that this time of year.
You don't have anything but red baiting to try to counter the desire for the American worker to be able to provide security and a future for her or him and their family. That just shows how weak and shallow your argument truly is, nothing more.
The elite attempt to teach the working class that their individual interests are best served by competing with each other to offer the best and cheapest service to the masters, not by joining together.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Why is it that only Reds ever complain about Red-baiting anyway?
You wouldn't expect those doing the baiting to complain about it, would you?
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
I just got done slamming the holocaust in Germany during WW II and I'm not Jewish, gay or a member of any other target group of that genocide. So, why is that? According to your post, one must have to belong to a group to have empathy and understanding for it. I guess you are just wrong here, and no big surprise at that being so either.
Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back. You libs are obsessed with race. The biggest racists I've ever met except for a couple of guys I once met from Mississippi.
I didn't marry because my ex-wife is black. And we didn't split because of racial difference either. Race is just a normal part of the human variable. Just as gender preference is.
Look, if you want to discuss your pole-smoking habits or walking around in women's underwear, this conversation is over.
Look, if you want to discuss your pole-smoking habits or walking around in women's underwear, this conversation is over. Your standard Alinsky reply when you are trapped in a corner.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Like I said, you don't have to be Jewish to hate the Holocaust. You have no les to stand on with your baiting here. It just shows how weak your argument is, and how much good personal character you lack.
Well put. I love it when you show them they use the same tactics they accuse others of. Good post.
Alinsky knew human behavior above all else.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
When I was in High School back in the early '70s, at football games the two schools sat on opposite sides of the stadium and the students would compete in a cheer: "We've got spirit, yes we do, we've got spirit, how 'bout YOU!" It was mindless fun, as it went back and forth and generated some excitement without rancor. Sometime in the last 30 years that good spirit was lost and the cheer is now: "Our team is red hot, your team ain't doodly-squat!" This forum is apparently of the latter generations. How about a few facts? (Not that the article is any example, as it did not detail which types of jobs were lost). Wisconsin is still struggling to balance their budget. It has among the lowest reserve (rainy day) funds among all the states. If the economy there is to recover it needs productive private sector jobs first to support whatever government services the people want. Few understand Shumpeterian "creative destruction", which describes liquidating mal-investment (cutting your losses) to free up the investment capital for more productive pursuits. Cutting government jobs to prevent the further drag of debt on the state budget allows that saved money (both salaries and debt service) to be re-invested in more productive jobs.
I just don't want to discuss your unsavory sexual habits.
This forum has mediocre and talentless management which is foundational as to why it lives primarily in the Ad hominem zone, so I am mindful of your lament and sympathize. Democracy is involved in a long and complicated process in Wisconsin. The koch Brothers got their stooge in the Governors house, and a Republican majority eager to do their bidding. But the public will and intelligence is a constant thorn in their side as they try to use money, influence and power to subvert the process and disenfranchise people from their role in running their country. I'll ferret around for that particular sort of data in relation to this story. And if you wish to debate this in a way not usually seen at LF, I assure you I would be most happy to.
A woman from the South told me that racial segregation back in the day had nothing to do with race. She said that negros had a special diet that made them unhealthy and separate water fountains, bathrooms, etc. was just an attempt to keep whites from catching their diseases. She would have agreed with you.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Curious you say that, because judging by your last few posts obsessing with sexual affairs, that is exactly what lights your spark plug.
Of course if those laid off employees are collecting unemployment benefits then the state is still shelling out money, but not getting the benefit of work in exchange while the exemployees are reducing growth-stimulating spending. CARSON CITY -- If Gov. Jim Gibbons and legislators decide to lay off thousands of state employees to save money, the state still will be on the hook for paying their unemployment benefits, which would cost more than $1 million a month for every 1,000 workers affected. Besides unemployment costs, the state would be obligated to pay laid-off workers for any sick leave and vacation time they have accumulated... Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Since mininggold does not discuss her sex habits, it's all happening in your twisted imagination.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
So would I.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Acceptance of a short term loss in exchange for a 10 year loss (bonds) and the mega loss of a permanently larger government is an example of wisdom in the long run.
Careful, Anthem, the Moonies are trying to love-bomb you. They'll probably try to lure you into private chat, to their creepy Facebook pages, or their actual preferred websites like HuffPo or DemocatUnderground. Watch for cultish behavior. It doesn't take long.
Yet conservative billionaire cultist Sun Myung Moon runs the Washington Times, a hack conservative paper that is merely a trapping of his desire to work his cult and political paradigm into a position of global hegemony. Sorry Charlie Brown, but the HuffPost looks nothing like the WT, and Moon is no champion of anyone but himself. If you want to talk about the dangers of this and other cults, by all means do. But you will be finding I am on your side if you are as concerned with their dangers and the games they play, not a proponent of them and what they do.
To: Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee From: Andrew Myers and Ben Lazarus Wisconsin Recall State Senate Districts According to the findings of our recent surveys1 of Wisconsin State Senate Districts 21, 23 and 29 our data and central findings differ sharply in two of the three districts from the recent Public Policy Polling polls released. To be succinct about the differences, our polls clearly put the odds on Democrats taking back the State Senate in June. Senate District 21 Senate District 23 Looking under the surface the trends between the two polls match nearly perfectly among men (Myers Research has Dexter trailing among men by 17-points, 39 to 56 percent, while PPP’s poll has her trailing by a similar 36 to 57 percent). The real difference between our poll and PPP’s is the trend among women. According to PPP’s results, women split evenly here (45 percent apiece). Our survey shows Dexter with a double-digit edge among them, 54 to 43 percent. There is an additional, and substantial difference in these surveys in the party self-identification trend as well. Despite the National Committee for an Effective Congress (NCEC) ranking Democratic Performance here at 54.4 percent in 2010, PPP’s poll shows partisan self-identification favoring Republicans by 9 points, 26 percent Democrat, 39 independent, and 35 percent Republican. Our poll has the trend substantially closer to the historical performance, 30 Democrat, 40 independent and 29 Republican. Senate District 29 As with the 23rd Senate District, PPP’s polling has party self-identification leaning very strongly Republican, with 26 percent saying they are Democrats, 37 independent and 37 Republican. Our own polling has partisan self-identification much closer to the historical trend with 33 percent calling themselves Democrats, 36 percent independents and 31 percent Republicans. Beyond partisan self-identification, our polling again conflicts with PPP in the trend we see with women here. Specifically, our polling shows a very wide 31-point gender gap afoot in this district, with women favoring Seidel by 9-points, 53 to 44 percent while men favor Petrowski by 22-points, 36 to 58 percent. While the PPP data is an agreement with ours on the trend among men, we again differ substantially on the trend with women as they have Seidel trailing among women by double-digits, 38 to 50 percent. One final point on this district. The RSLC recently went on the air with a substantial buy and a tough spot accusing Seidel of failing on the economy and jobs. In return, Seidel is up with a tougher spot highlighting Petrowski’s lack of respect for women. If this race were a double-digit blowout as suggested by the PPP survey, it is odd that it is the first of these Senate recall campaigns to be on the airwaves. The Broader Picture http://www.dlcc.org/files/DLCC_WI_Memo_2012-04-24.pdf
This forum is apparently of the latter generations. Bingo. LoonyMing (one person using two screen-names), rat-boy and Brian S, are all hard-core leftists. They squeal like stuck pigs if the socket-puppet sitting in the White House has an "R" after their name, and turn into complete suck-ups, if the sock-puppet wears a "D." Of course, the sock-puppets do the bidding of their masters (bankster-class), and are turning the country into a full-tilt police state... But to these moronic leftists, it's good if the boot that's on your neck is the left boot, and bad if it's the right boot. Which, IMHO, is completely insane, but there you are....
To: mcToejam, rat-boy, drippy, Alzheimer Fred, whitesands, t-bird, Old Moon's getting another cool half million from Moonie follower neighbors who just sold their property.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
You really shouldn't brag about your ability to be totally clueless to strangers. Didn't your mother warn you? And hard core...LOLOL. Exaggerate much?
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Just curious, did you take your nick from the title of the book Anthem by Ayn Rand? It id a short work, but I liked it.
His mother excused his anti-social behavior telling him he was a smart boy who didn't suffer fools.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Yes, for the most part. I also like the National Anthem.
She evidently didn't care if he ever learned from experience.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Awww... how cute, talking to yourself again. Another attempt to divert attention from the point I made: They squeal like stuck pigs if the socket-puppet sitting in the White House has an "R" after their name, and turn into complete suck-ups, if the sock-puppet wears a "D." Of course, the sock-puppets do the bidding of their masters (bankster-class), and are turning the country into a full-tilt police state... But to these moronic leftists, it's good if the boot that's on your neck is the left boot, and bad if it's the right boot. Of course, your empty-headed responses are all straight out of the disinformation playbook: Disinformation Rule #17. Change the subject. Disinformation Rule #18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. Of course, this also ties in to the Obvious Traits of Disinformationalists: 1) Avoidance 2) Selectivity 4) Teamwork Thanks for the laughs, loonyming.
To: mcToejam, rat-boy, drippy, Alzheimer Fred, whitesands, t-bird,
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestUnions are too strong and do too much to protect the rights and lives of workers to disappear.
#7. To: Ferret Mike (#5)
set the stage for a resurgence and growth of unions in the United States in the next few decades.
#8. To: TooConservative (#4)
Dream on, comrade.
#9. To: All (#8)
#10. To: mcgowanjm (#6)
"Since reagan and PATCO."
#11. To: TooConservative (#1)
With the Red Menace marching in the streets, it is no surprise that squishy businesses might flee or avoid this communist eruption.
#12. To: Ferret Mike (#10)
(Edited)
"Since reagan and PATCO."
#13. To: mcgowanjm (#7)
"Then there will have to be a revolution across the board w/in weeks/months. That's the only way."
#14. To: lucysmom, mcgowanjm (#11)
#15. To: TooConservative (#14)
#16. To: Ferret Mike, TooConservative (#15)
You don't have anything but red baiting to try to counter the desire for the American worker to be able to provide security and a future for her or him and their family.
#17. To: Ferret Mike (#15)
You don't have anything but red baiting to try to counter the desire for the American worker to be able to provide security and a future for her or him and their family.
#18. To: TooConservative (#17)
Why is it that only Reds ever complain about Red-baiting anyway?
#19. To: TooConservative (#17)
#20. To: Ferret Mike (#19)
I just got done slamming the holocaust in Germany during WW II and I'm not Jewish, gay or a member of any other target group of that genocide.
#21. To: TooConservative (#20)
(Edited)
"You libs are obsessed with race. The biggest racists I've ever met except for a couple of guys I once met from Mississippi."
#22. To: Ferret Mike (#21)
I didn't marry because my ex-wife is black. And we didn't split because of racial difference either. Race is just a normal part of the human variable. Just as gender preference is.
#23. To: TooConservative (#22)
I didn't marry because my ex-wife is black. And we didn't split because of racial difference either. Race is just a normal part of the human variable. Just as gender preference is.
#24. To: TooConservative (#22)
#25. To: mininggold (#23)
"Your standard Alinsky reply when you are trapped in a corner."
#26. To: Ferret Mike (#25)
Well put. I love it when you show them they use the same tactics they accuse others of. Good post.
#27. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
#28. To: mininggold (#23)
#29. To: Anthem (#27)
(Edited)
"This forum is apparently of the latter generations."
#30. To: TooConservative (#20)
You libs are obsessed with race. The biggest racists I've ever met ...
#31. To: TooConservative (#28)
"I just don't want to discuss your unsavory sexual habits."
#32. To: Anthem (#27)
Cutting government jobs to prevent the further drag of debt on the state budget allows that saved money (both salaries and debt service) to be re-invested in more productive jobs.
#33. To: TooConservative (#28)
I just don't want to discuss your unsavory sexual habits.
#34. To: Ferret Mike (#29)
And if you wish to debate this in a way not usually seen at LF, I assure you I would be most happy to.
#35. To: lucysmom (#32)
#36. To: Ferret Mike (#29)
Ferret: "And if you wish to debate this in a way not usually seen at LF, I assure you I would be most happy to. "
#37. To: TooConservative (#36)
#38. To: Anthem (#27)
Date: April 24, 2012
Of the three polls conducted, PPP is closest to our findings in this district and we both show the contest within the margin of error. Specifically, our live dial poll shows Democrat John Lehman starting just above majority status against Republican Van Wanggaard, 51 to 47 percent, within our survey’s margin of error. PPP showed the contest within the margin as well, though in Wanggaard’s favor, 46 to 48 percent. Regardless of who is right, there is little to no question that this race will come down to the wire.
Notably our data differ substantially from the PPP survey in this district. Specifically, our polling shows Democrat Kristen Dexter locked in a bitterly close dead heat with Republican incumbent Terry Moulton, 47 to 49 percent. PPP’s survey has the contest a 10-point race, Moulton’s favor, 41 to 51 percent.
This contest pairs two members of the Assembly for this open seat, Democrat Donna Seidel and Republican Jerry Petrowski. Again, despite the historic competitive nature of this district, which had a 52.7 percent Democratic performance rating in 2010 according to NCEC, PPP’s polling has this contest a near blowout with Petrowski besting Seidel by double-digits, 37 to 51 percent. Our polling shows a far more competitive contest from the start with the candidates locked in a much tighter 6-point race with Seidel at 45 percent to Petrowski’s 51 percent.
PPP also draws a fairly dangerous conclusion claiming they are seeing more Republican energy in these races. Our polling, and a comparison of our time series in the two districts where we have it, could not differ more substantially from their conclusion. Indeed, we see the opposite trend, and find it to be one of the most encouraging findings in our research. Specifically in 2010 in the two of these three districts we polled we faced a massive enthusiasm gap and party self-identification lagged dramatically behind what we would have expected given historical performance. However, that was then and today we see the opposite. Partisan identification has improved and is back to the level we would expect and more importantly, enthusiasm about the recall elections has rebounded and is at parity today, as shown in the graphs here. All in all, and contrary to PPP’s assertion, these contests are incredibly competitive and Democrats are clearly primed and energized to vote. Notably, Democrats need just one win to take the majority while Republicans need to run the table. Our data puts the odds on Democrats taking back the Senate.
#39. To: Anthem (#27)
Sometime in the last 30 years that good spirit was lost and the cheer is now: "Our team is red hot, your team ain't doodly-squat!"
The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
-- Baghdad Bri-bri -- loonymom, ming, e-type jackoff, goober56, wreck, cal-CON, rabid dog, dummy DwarF, biff, harrowup the communist, and meguro. You're on the "a waste of human flesh" list. Brian S[ocialist], you're a propagandist moron. ALL of you can piss off.
#40. To: Ferret Mike (#37)
Yet conservative billionaire cultist Sun Myung Moon runs the Washington Times, a hack conservative paper that is merely a trapping of his desire to work his cult and political paradigm into a position of global hegemony.
#41. To: Capitalist Eric, Anthem (#39)
LoonyMing (one person using two screen-names), rat-boy and Brian S, are all hard-core leftists.
#42. To: Anthem (#27)
#43. To: mininggold (#41)
Didn't your mother warn you?
#44. To: Ferret Mike (#42)
#45. To: lucysmom (#43)
His mother excused his anti-social behavior telling him he was a smart boy who didn't suffer fools.
#46. To: mininggold (#45)
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"lucysmom":His mother excused his anti-social behavior telling him he was a smart boy who didn't suffer fools.
"Ming": She evidently didn't care if he ever learned from experience. LoonyMing (one person using two screen-names), rat-boy and Brian S, are all hard-core leftists.
Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.
If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'
They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.
They tend to pick and choose opponents carefully, either applying the hit-and- run approach against mere commentators supportive of opponents, or focusing heavier attacks on key opponents who are known to directly address issues. Should a commentator become argumentative with any success, the focus will shift to include the commentator as well. 3) Coincidental
They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.
The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
-- Baghdad Bri-bri -- loonymom, ming, e-type jackoff, goober56, wreck, cal-CON, rabid dog, dummy DwarF, biff, harrowup the communist, and meguro. You're on the "a waste of human flesh" list. Brian S[ocialist], you're a propagandist moron. ALL of you can piss off.
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