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Title: Fidogate: Listen To Obama Brag About Eating Dog
Source: Breitbart TV
URL Source: http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart- ... 09200A5F9231}&title=Fidogate-L
Published: Apr 19, 2012
Author: Bill Ayers
Post Date: 2012-04-19 22:09:20 by Hondo68
Keywords: Roasted Grasshopper, dog meat, Bill Ayers dreams, beaten with bamboo switches
Views: 30985
Comments: 78

From chapter 18 of the audio book "Dreams Of My Father" as recited by the author, President Barack Obama.


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Muslims don't eat dog, Bill Ayers and Obama are lying again.

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#39. To: mcgowanjm (#38)

I dunno about the theology of All Dogs Go To Heaven (well, I do but don't want to argue it).

With some people, animals are not important. Look at the Xlintons who gave away poor Socks the WH cat and let Buddy the WH dog get run over after they shamelessly pandered to animal loving voters. (No, not the icky kind of dog lovers like our current prez, I mean people who actually love them, not just the taste of them.)

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-04-24   10:29:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: mcgowanjm (#28)

Careful. My dog saved my life...and I consider that to be a fairly intelligent thing for my dog to do....;}

Mine did too, more than once. And I still can't mow, weedeat or rototill by her grave, as the engine will invariably die and not restart, which happened again just yesterday.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-04-24   10:40:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: TooConservative (#39) (Edited)

I dunno about the theology of All Dogs Go To Heaven (well, I do but don't want to argue it).

I have a feeling when you die you will find the the Bible has been leading you on about lots of things. Many of those who have died and returned have reported seeing their favorite pets.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-04-24   10:40:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: mininggold (#41)

I have a feeling when you die you will find the the Bible has been leading you on about lots of things.

I have no doubt you are flooded with feelings. I just don't care.

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-04-24   10:53:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: TooConservative (#18) (Edited)

The clip is not entirely accurate concerning the dinner table. Bill Ayers Obama said "Away from the dinner table" he ate grasshoppers, dog, and snake. Seems like he and Lolo were in the Kill it, and Grill it club. I wonder if the Nugent's got the idea and title for their book from reading the Ayers Obama book, Dreams from my father?


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2012-04-24   10:57:35 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: TooConservative (#42)

I have no doubt you are flooded with feelings. I just don't care.

Not flooded with feelings just observant when with patients. And if you didn't care you wouldn't have needed to remind us of your vast level of authority on the Bible.

But it's too bad all those mere mortals who wrote down those words given directly from God couldn't keep their stories straight, heh?

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-04-24   11:02:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: mcgowanjm (#36)

"The diff comes when a child figures out that you're pointing at an object."

Dogs actually are so in sync with humans they recognize the finger pointing and will look when larger brained primates not so acclimated to us will miss that meaning.

Dogs have been joined at the hip with humanity so long, what a pointed finger means has become almost intellectually known to them. I found that interesting when scientist figured that one out.

A common test of frontal lobe development is often the test of awareness that a reflection is of the observer. A dolphin one puts a paint spot on will go to a mirror nearby and look at what you did to that particular body part one painted.

Also other tests dolphins actually outdo humans in, such as the number of meaningless sounds they can repeat back in tests scoping out that capacity.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-04-24   11:04:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Ferret Mike (#45)

Dogs have been joined at the hip with humanity so long, what a pointed finger means has become almost intellectually known to them. I found that interesting when scientist figured that one out.

I saw a documentary I think on NGC where foxes were raised to be naturally tame by selectively breeding them for timidity and lack of aggression (ie: lower adrenaline levels). They were able to achieve cute cuddly foxes within a few generations. And an added plus was the different coat patterns that cropped up, with the ears drooping.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-04-24   11:12:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: mininggold (#46)

And an added plus was the different coat patterns that cropped up, with the ears drooping.

Like Poultry goes white. Egg shells thin.

Can you be too smart for your own good. We're about to find out.

You don't get something for nothing.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-04-24   11:24:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: mininggold (#46)

I saw a documentary I think on NGC where foxes were raised to be naturally tame...

I saw that too, it was fascinating.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-04-24   11:28:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: hondo68 (#43)

Seems like he and Lolo were in the Kill it, and Grill it club.

Lolo, although Muslim, was introducing Obama to animism, the idea that you can absorb the qualities/virtues of prey or enemies you kill by eating them. That's classic animism as even the Kenyan admits.

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-04-24   11:29:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Ferret Mike (#45)

Dogs have been joined at the hip with humanity so long, what a pointed finger means has become almost intellectually known to them. I found that interesting when scientist figured that one out.

Very few will deny that micro-evolution and a certain amount of natural selection occurs.

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-04-24   11:31:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: TooConservative (#49)

I remember a Korean woman telling me that eating dog meat kept one cooler in the hot summer months. That's what she thought so I wasn't about to argue with her about it.

She might have bitten me;^)

Fred Mertz  posted on  2012-04-24   11:32:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: mininggold (#44)

But it's too bad all those mere mortals who wrote down those words given directly from God couldn't keep their stories straight, heh?

I know you libs like to reassure each other that that is true when you're smoking a doob in your nude poetry-chanting circle of Gaia but that doesn't make it true.

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-04-24   11:33:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: TooConservative (#49)

Lolo, although Muslim, was introducing Obama to animism, the idea that you can absorb the qualities/virtues of prey or enemies you kill by eating them.

Sometimes a grasshopper is just food.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-04-24   11:33:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: TooConservative (#50)

"Very few will deny that micro-evolution and a certain amount of natural selection occurs."

Well, some of us understand evolution is a constant, and dynamic force always doing what it has always done on our 4.5 billion year old planet. I don't buy the biblical version of things.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-04-24   11:41:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: mcgowanjm (#47)

Like Poultry goes white. Egg shells thin.

That might be another reason why foxes and bobcats seem to prefer white chickens. But they sure don't mess with our ex fighting chicken rooster, who is really just a sweety.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-04-24   12:05:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: TooConservative (#52)

I know you libs like to reassure each other that that is true when you're smoking a doob in your nude poetry-chanting circle of Gaia but that doesn't make it true.

Did Jesus give you a case of the goofies today?

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-04-24   12:06:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Ferret Mike (#54)

Well, some of us understand evolution is a constant, and dynamic force always doing what it has always done on our 4.5 billion year old planet. I don't buy the biblical version of things.

Most conservatives seem to still be wrestling with the concept of hybrid vigor.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-04-24   12:13:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: mininggold (#56)

"I know you libs like to reassure each other that that is true when you're smoking a doob in your nude poetry-chanting circle of Gaia but that doesn't make it true."

I don't know; his derisive narrative of what it must be like not to believe as he does lack that insane, glassy eye shrillness some people have to their imaginary non Christian worlds, So it doesn't bother me as much as some insane things I've read in this place.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-04-24   12:14:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: mininggold (#57)

"Most conservatives seem to still be wrestling with the concept of hybrid vigor."

Mention hybrid to erica and you'd probably get a soliloquy about the evil conspiracy behind the allegedly dysfunctional Volt automobile. So be careful the context you use that word in and around whom you say it in front of.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-04-24   12:17:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Ferret Mike (#58)

I don't know; his derisive narrative of what it must be like not to believe as he does lack that insane, glassy eye shrillness some people have to their imaginary non Christian worlds, So it doesn't bother me as much as some insane things I've read in this place.

I put some clothes this week in one of those Gaia clothes/shoes give away receptacles, only because the local Goodwill said it temporarily couldn't take anymore. How did Too Conservative know?

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-04-24   12:25:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: mininggold (#60)

Stalking perhaps?

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-04-24   13:58:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Ferret Mike (#54)

Well, some of us understand evolution is a constant, and dynamic force always doing what it has always done on our 4.5 billion year old planet. I don't buy the biblical version of things.

Evolution, if you actually understood the theory in any detail most certainly has not been "constant".

It runs in leaps and bounds, then halts.

Much more like the hare than the tortoise if that illustrates the point.

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-04-24   14:06:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: mininggold (#60)

I put some clothes this week in one of those Gaia clothes/shoes give away receptacles, only because the local Goodwill said it temporarily couldn't take anymore. How did Too Conservative know?

Aha! I just knew it.

Next thing you know, it'll be the nude poetry circle for you.

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-04-24   14:08:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Ferret Mike (#54)

Well, some of us understand evolution is a constant, and dynamic force always doing what it has always done on our 4.5 billion year old planet.

How many species are their on earth?

Take that number and multiply it by 10. That is the number of living years that have occurred in the last 10 years. Not one thing evolved into a new species. It never has and never will. It is sad you put your faith in emptiness.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-04-24   19:55:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Ferret Mike (#45)

Dogs have been joined at the hip with humanity so long, what a pointed finger means has become almost intellectually known to them.

No. They have to be taught it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-04-24   19:57:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: A K A Stone (#65)

"No. They have to be taught it."

No. Actually they did a fascinating study that showed the used to human culture over thousands of years dogs got it with no training in the vast majority of cases, while the larger brained, but not so used to humans species of other large apes did not get the clue what it meant.

I didn't make this shit up.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-04-25   3:09:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: A K A Stone (#64) (Edited)

"How many species are their on earth?

Take that number and multiply it by 10. That is the number of living years that have occurred in the last 10 years. Not one thing evolved into a new species. It never has and never will. It is sad you put your faith in emptiness."

I am not going to debate it with you as your erroneous view is based on subjective religious dogma, not fact.

Tell you what; you believe as you wish on this, I'll believe what I know is fact.

You have worn out my desire to argue religious matters in any way with you.

You are arrogant, love to belittle and insult, and are too full of cocky hubris.

You made it plain you hate my faith. That is your problem and your lack of consideration for others at work. Just keep that topic to yourself.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-04-25   3:11:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: TooConservative (#62)

Oh I do understand it in detail, and it has been continual in a consistent way, whether their have been leaps or periods of crawling along.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-04-25   3:17:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: A K A Stone (#65) (Edited)

Dogs Succeed While Chimps Fail at Following Finger Pointing: Chimpanzees Have Difficulty Identifying Object of Interest Based On Gestures

ScienceDaily (Feb. 8, 2012) — Dogs are better than chimps at interpreting pointing gestures, according to a study published in the online journal PLoS ONE.

Katharina Kirchhofer, of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Germany, led a team in the investigation of 20 chimps and 32 dogs presented with the same task: retrieving an object the experimenter wanted, as indicated by the experimenter pointing. The researchers found that the dogs performed well, but the chimps failed to identify the object of interest.

These results emphasize the difference in chimp response to human gaze, which they have been shown to be good at following, versus gestures.

"The fact that chimpanzees do not understand communicative intentions of others, suggests that this may be a uniquely human form of communication. The dogs however challenge this hypothesis. We therefore need to study in more detail the mechanisms behind dogs' understanding of human forms of communication," says Dr. Kirchhofer.


Sheep dogs were better than hunting hounds, earth dogs (dogs used for underground hunting), livestock guard dogs and sled dogs at following a pointing finger. (Credit: iStockphoto/Robert Churchill)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-04-25   3:25:20 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Ferret Mike (#69)

Dogs can learn it. They aren't born that way like you seemed to imply.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-04-25   6:33:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Ferret Mike (#66)

but not so used to humans species of other large apes did not get the clue what it meant.

There goes your theory of apes fucking people.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-04-25   6:35:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: A K A Stone (#70)

I cite research, not merely a random notion. Why are you so insane you can't see that simple fact? Not even citing the study stops ou from inventing your own reality.

Here is more citation of what researchers are finding out:

How dogs interpret human communication


Dogs seem to understand some human communication, even through a television screen.

Sit a dog in front of a television screen, and it may not always look intently at what it sees. But show a person on that screen who looks directly at the dog and says "hello," and the canine will pay attention. In fact, a new study shows that a dog will go so far as to follow the gaze of the human onscreen when he or she looks to one side or the other - something not even chimps can do.

Researchers already knew that dogs were attuned to human communication signals. In addition to their obvious facility at learning commands, dogs, like young children, can signal where a human puts an object if the human feigns ignorance, even if it's been moved, and they follow the direction of our finger when we point at things, a task chimps fail at. But are dogs capable of following more subtle cues, such as our shifting gaze?

To find out, cognitive scientist Erno Teglas of the Central European University in Budapest, Hungary, adapted a technique that had previously been used only on children. In one example of the test, a child watches a woman on a video screen who has toys on either side of her. The woman then either looks straight toward the camera and says "hello" in a high-pitched voice known to engage children or looks downward and says "hello" in a more dull, low-pitched voice. Then the person looks to the toy on one side or the other for 5 seconds. Whether a child also looks at the toy on the same side is recorded.

To modify this experiment for dogs, Teglas substituted empty plastic pots for the children's toys and had a stranger on the screen say "Hi, dog!" in one of the two intonations while looking at the camera or downward. As each dog watches the video, a specially programmed camera below the television screen follows, and records, the dog's eye movements.

Teglas and his colleagues used 22 dogs of different breeds for the study. They found that the canines always looked at the person on the video for the same amount of time. But when the person initially directed his or her attention at the dog and spoke in a high-pitched voice, the dog looked at the same pot as the person 69 percent of the time. When the person avoided eye contact and spoke in a low voice, the dog didn't look at one pot more often than the other.

The results, published in Current Biology, were almost identical to those seen in 6-month-old human infants. "We were surprised by the high similarity of the performances," Teglas says. "Dogs are receptive to these cues in a way that is very similar to infants."

The precision of the eye-tracking device will allow scientists to develop a new generation of tests on how dogs interact with humans, says Juliane Kaminski, a developmental psychologist at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, who was involved in earlier studies on how dogs interpret finger pointing. "It opens many new opportunities."

Now that the scientists have shown that the test works on dogs, they plan to separate the two factors - eye contact and tone of voice - to test each one's effect on the dog's attention, Teglas says. They also can compare different dog breeds. This may help answer the question of how dogs' skills at interpreting human communication have evolved.

"Dog skills with human communication seem to be a special adaptation to live with humans and the result of certain selection pressures during domestication," Kaminski says. If this is true, researchers would expect dog breeds that have been domesticated the longest to perform best at tests such as gaze following. But don't plan on being able to compare your dog with all the other neighborhood canines - dogs likely interpret the cues from their owner differently than those from a stranger.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/01/21/MNG71MLGFH.DTL#ixzz1t3oUvBi6

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-04-25   10:02:10 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Ferret Mike (#72)

How dogs interpret human communication

My dog knew the definitions of more words than most of my high school drop out Fundy relatives.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-04-25   10:06:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: A K A Stone (#71) (Edited)

"There goes your theory of apes fucking people."

Humans are indeed a species i the animal kingdom of animals, and our species is one of the species of great apes in terms of where it fits in the sceme of life. Although you would deny our own niche in the taxonomic nomenclature of living things.

So, humans having sexual intercourse with humans is exactly that; apes having sex with apes.

And nobody here but you is talking about interspecies sex.

Which no doubt comes from you in many ways living in your own little world arrogantly ignoring everything else around you.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-04-25   10:12:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: mininggold (#73) (Edited)

"My dog knew the definitions of more words than most of my high school drop out Fundy relatives."

Dogs are smart, and domestication has caused the close relationship between humans and canines to evolve and change dogs into a species where those dogs that relate to and understand their masters and other humans do exceedingly far better then others survive and pass along the traits that helped them be successful in the biological niche they are in.

This is not hard a thing to see and understand, and as we see, research backs this up.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-04-25   10:19:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: mininggold (#73)

My dog knew the definitions of more words than most of my high school drop out Fundy relatives.

Dog Breaks Vocabulary Record: Chaser The Border Collie Understands Over 1,000 Words (VIDEO)

www.huffingtonpost.com/20...abulary-rec_n_804728.html

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-04-25   10:36:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: A K A Stone (#71)

Order - Primates [arboreal prehensile locomotion; terrestrial bipedal leaping in some cases; Strepsirrhini, Prosimians, also included, oldest living primates, common ancestor with them]

Suborder - Haplorrhini [anthropoidea; like Tarsiiformes, also included, oldest living haplorrhini, common ancestor with them]

Infraorder - Simiiformes [earliest documented tool ethology; like Platyrrhini, American Monkeys, also included, oldest living simiiformes; monkeys and apes included here]

Parvorder - Catarrhini [land extended locomotion; like Cercopithecoidea, Old World Monkeys, also included, oldest living ones]

Superfamily - Hominoidea [tail loss, arboreal locomotion reduced to forelimbs (Brachiation); apes, lesser apes, hominoids; like Hylobatidae, Gibbons, also included, oldest living ones]

Species - Proconsul africanus

Family - Hominidae [great apes, hominids; fist-walking; family with Ponginae, Orangutans, also included, oldest living ones, common ancestor with them]

Subfamily - Homininae [or hominines; knuckle-walking; includes gorillas but not orangutans]

Species - Pierolapithecus catalaunicus

Tribe - Hominini [or hominins; includes chimpanzees but not gorillas]

Species - Sahelanthropus tchadensis, possible common ancestor with chimpanzees[citation needed]

Species - Orrorin tugenensis, may be an early species after split with chimpanzees[citation needed]

Subtribe - Hominina [or hominans; orthograde (upright) bipedalism; humans are the only surviving species]

Genus - Ardipithecus [Human lineage]
Genus - Kenyanthropus
Genus - Australopithecus [Human lineage; made tools found]

Genus - Homo [or humans; specific and specialized development of memory/learning/teaching/learning application (learning driven ethology)]

Species - Homo habilis [refined stone technology; earliest fire control]
Species - Homo ergaster [extensive language, complex articulate language]
Species - Homo erectus [fire control, cooking; aesthetic/artistic refinement of tools]
Species - Homo heidelbergensis [possible earliest sanitary burial of deads, accompanied with symbolic/formal supplement]

Species - Homo sapiens [further development and specialization of learning application; active environment transformation, acclimatization and control; infrastructures and advanced technology]

Subspecies - Homo sapiens idaltu

Human taxonomy

As you see from the human taxonomy quoted from the point where it classifies what order our species is categorized under, we are primates. That is just a fact, just like any other in any system which categorizes and classifies in the study of biology.

All great apes evolved from a common ancestor. Nobody contends our ancestors bred with modern offshoots of a common ancestor. To do that, one group or the other wold have to travel through time.

In any case, modern humans are primates. And this is an undeniable fact, whether you chose to believe in evolution or not.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-04-25   11:32:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: mininggold (#55)

seem to prefer white chickens.

The whiter the dumber.

White turkeys can drown in the rain....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-04-25   12:04:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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