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Title: Fake Conservatives As Dangerous To Freedom As Obama
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URL Source: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest ... atives-dangerous-freedom-obama
Published: Apr 18, 2012
Author: Submitted by Brandon Smith from Alt Mark
Post Date: 2012-04-18 19:14:22 by SJN
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If Americans are looking for anything in the dark clouds of political dust and powdered ash that choke our air and leave us feeling naked against the elements, it is but a simple moment of sincerity. It sounds like an easily attainable thing, and yet, we continue to gasp and clamor. The visible surface of our nation is so devoid of honest connection with our social voice that we have turned to a cynical form of loneliness. We have embraced a life without clarity, and been made wretchedly bitter, desperate for even the faintest taste of truth. The false two party paradigm that drives America gives us a measure of sustenance. Just enough to keep us from going completely mad, but not enough to end our hunger. As this process continues, however, and the establishment grows bolder, we too become savvy in the ways of the machine. Eventually, the old standards just don’t keep the masses distracted like they used to, and so, the system, not willing to give up power, decides instead to become “like us”, at least outwardly. It steals our vision and our song and goes on parade. It tries to make us believe again… The campaign of Barack Obama in 2008 was a perfect example of the propaganda pageant, complete with visceral slogans like “Hope” and “Change”. After eight years of the clownish George Bush Jr., when our country spiraled down into a state of disturbed and vicious adolescence, people were looking for a renewal. They were looking for a path away from the edge of the abyss. Instead, they were given a better liar, with a brand new costume. The American Dream has become harder to sustain since…to say the least. In 2012, what I see is like a lightning bolt in slow motion. I can sense it branching out across the sky towards the ground and tearing through our surroundings, upending everything we know. Both the President and Congress have some of the lowest approval ratings in history. The question of whether anything can be accomplished through government has been answered for most people with a resounding “no”. The citizenry is on the verge of total fury. I wish I could say that most have abandoned the fleeting hollow satisfaction of choosing the “lesser of two evils”, but that would not be accurate. Recently, I was invited (by several separate people) to a central event in the state elections of Montana called the “Lincoln-Reagan Dinner”, and promptly tried to avoid it like a rat infested plague ship. I know from experience what these kinds of political elbow rubbing parties can be like, and have been thoroughly unimpressed. Somehow, I ended up there anyway. If your only experience of the Republican Party was to attend such shindigs, you might think the stuffy anal-retentive caricatures we often see of conservatives are well deserved. In stark contrast to a Ron Paul rally, most of the attendees were little younger than 55, and few seemed very animated. Perhaps they were suffering from the same distaste of the whole thing as I was. Luckily, a solid 15% of the crowd were Liberty Movement oriented, which helped me to weather the overall painful proceedings (I also won a door prize; a coupon for a free dinner, mmmm…), but a pair of earplugs and a bottle of whiskey would have been far more comforting. The party also gave me a momentary window into the future of the state in which I now reside, and even the probable nature of campaigns occurring across the nation. The prospects weren’t very pretty. If Americans plan to look to the GOP to save them from the jaws of impending disaster, they had better reconsider that foolish notion. Obama may be riding the economic collapse straight at us like a wild Mako shark, but that’s no excuse to delude ourselves with fantasies of a Republican savior. Mitt Romney (a man whose legislative record is little different from Obama’s) is just the tip of the iceberg. At the state level, a much more dire charade is taking place. A most noticeable trend is the language that fake conservatives (Neo-Cons) have adopted in the past year, switching from die hard statism to sudden “opposition” to Federal encroachment. What happened to the GOP’s love affair with centralized government? Well, the tides of the populace have changed considerably over the past few years, and in 2012, co-option is the name of the game. While the media goes out of its way to ignore Ron Paul, the elites in the GOP have lately decided its better to sound at least a little bit like the Constitutionalist candidate. Now, the parasites are brandishing rhetoric they wouldn’t have been caught dead uttering not long ago; railing against EPA intrusion on state jurisdiction of natural resources mostly, and the Federal Government in general, but it wasn’t much help. Speech after speech, the candidates were heavy on flag waving placations, light on substance or honor. The general message of the assembly was repeated over and over again; WHOEVER the chosen candidates were after the primaries, conservatives were “duty bound” to supplant Obama and the Democrats at all costs. That is to say, if we do not unify around the selected Republican con-squad, Obama’s reelection would be entirely the fault of the non-conformists. “Anyone but Obama” was the catch phrase of the evening… Sound familiar? It should. It’s the same kind of campaign the Democrats were running against Bush back in 2004, and it will lead to the same kind of disappointment. Two political front men in Montana in particular left me so disgusted I could barely digest dinner afterwards. The first, of course, was Neil Livingstone, who as far as I can tell, is the quintessential nightmare candidate from the seventh circle of hell. With ties to the CIA under Air America, Iran Contra (though he denies it), multiple Blackwater-style mercenary firms, a penchant for death squads, and backdoor deals with dictators like Moammar Qaddafi, it’s hard to imagine a worse governor for an anti-Federal pro-Constitutional state like Montana. Though we have been covering this information since Livingstone’s entry into the race, it’s nice to see that other outlets are finally catching on: motherjones.com/politics/...ingstone-montana-governor Mother Jones treats Livingstone’s record as a kind of anomaly; an outlandish joke that makes him unelectable. However, I tend to take his presence in Montana a bit more seriously. Money and friends in high places are still viable strategies in our very corrupt electoral process, and Livingstone has both. The fact that the man moved back to Montana barely a year ago just to run for the governor’s position is also disconcerting. His running mate, Ryan Zinke, a former Seal Team 6 member, stated his solution to Montana’s unemployment problems is to build predator drone factories (I’m not joking). And, both have received backing from a local retired two star general by the name of Paul Vallely who wrote a book called “The Myths Of Gitmo: Torture, Abuse Or The Truth”, in which he defends the detainment procedures of the infamous facility and claims that no torture, or at least what he defines as torture, occurs there. Though, this is not half as disturbing as the paper “From PSYOP to MindWar: The Psychology of Victory” which he wrote with legendary military Psyop analyst and creepy occultist Michael Aquino (look this guy up for a lesson in dangerously weird). Vallely has been posing locally and nationally as a Liberty Movement proponent with his organization “Stand Up America”, just as Livingstone and Zinke have been posing as Constitutional freedom loving traditional conservatives. Anyone who has studied the Cointelpro operations of the 1960’s and 1970’s would probably see a familiar pattern in all of this, but many Montanans I fear may not be quite so aware. Livingstone gets consistent applause for his broken record jokes on the hot button wolf problem here in the Big Sky State. And his speaking style is well trained. Like most political snake oil salesmen, he has the ability to talk a lot without saying much. It may well be that the Constitutionalist movement that is thriving here has garnered special attention, and men like those listed so far are not here by coincidence. The second politician stealing our oxygen was Rep. Denny Rehberg, a self proclaimed Tea Party Republican who consistently votes for Neo-Con style legislation, including the NDAA. Rehberg washed patriotic during his substance-less speech during the Lincoln-Reagan dinner, wandering off on tangents about his mother and then back to push button topics like Obamacare. The one saving feature of his campaign was his opposition to the bailouts. Unfortunately, when confronted by Stewart Rhodes of Oath Keepers after the event on his support of the NDAA, Rehberg revealed his true colors. Apparently not recognizing who Rhodes was, he accused the long time veteran of “not supporting the troops” because of his opposition to the bill. When confronted on the specific provisions of the bill which allow for indefinite detainment of any person the executive branch accuses of being an enemy combatant without trial, Rehberg denied that the bill opened doors to such action. This has been the typical response from other fake conservatives who voted for the draconian legislation. Strangely, representatives of Rehberg have tried to contact Rhodes in the past to show support for a bill to “clarify” the language of the NDAA, but these drafts contained little to nothing to actually nullify the detainment sections. If Rehberg has no remorse over his support for the NDAA, and feels it holds no threat to the American people, why try to draft a state bill to clarify the U.S. citizen issue? According to Rehberg, the only reason was to silence Constitutionalists who had been pointing out his non-conservative, pro-statist behavior. “Clarity”, is not his true concern at all. The irrationality of the defense of the NDAA continues to escalate amongst closet neo-cons. From Alinsky style diversions and accusations, to full-on denial in spite of the evidence, they refuse to admit the nature of the legislation. Why? Because it is indefensible. I have merely covered some local examples of fake-conservatives I have witnessed first hand, but this is a strategy being used all over the country. The incredible threat these people pose cannot be underestimated (in a follow up article, I will cover some examples of legitimate liberty candidates). With Obama sending America into a death spiral, the obvious and natural reaction by many will be to look to the conservative dynamic to put things right. Sadly, most Americans do not know what real conservatism and limited government looks like anymore. Frankly, any hobgoblin in a suit can claim he is a conservative nowadays, and then implement the same globalist, collectivist policies as the fake liberal before him. As I have said many times in the past, you have to examine the actions of these representatives, not their rhetoric. What they say is meaningless. What they do, and have done in the past, is everything. This election year, we MUST NOT play the old game of the “lesser of two evils”. The fact is, there is no such thing, and there never was.
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#1. To: SJN (#0)
Duhhhh!!! What I really like is some of the Leftards on LF that say look how bad some "conservative" actions/practices are, when the person they are talking about is a RINO/Moderate (I.E. Baby Democrat)!!!! ROTFLMAO......
"If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, you'll need to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not an idiot."
No, they are actually even more dangerous, because they pretend that a light weight version of the left is somehow the opposite of the left.
With few exceptions, the left is no longer represented in Washington.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Traitors are always MORE dangerous that proclaimed enemies. They are the one that will betray you and stab you in the back.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Have you had some brain trauma?
DAMN! This is twice in one month you are right about something! Taking new meds? The truth is the traditional European Marxist left is getting hosed by our "leaders" just as badly as the right is,and have been hosed for the same length of time. What is shocking to me is that YOU of all people have recognized this. Seems like most leftist idiots just go sailing blissfully along happily thinking "their" left is winning because somebody with a "D" behind their name represents them. Just like the idiot right so sailing blissfully along thinking THEY have a voice in government merely because somebody with a "R" behind their name says they are fighting for them. The truth is neither the traditional left nor the right have any real power in this country anymore because the fascist left is taking over the world. We are no longer a two-party nation,and haven't been one since Reagan left office. The internationalists have taken over and control both branches of our ruling party.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
No, just old enough to remember when the left was left.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Traitors are never loved by those they help either. Benedict Arnold was an exile in England after he betrayed his countrymen and women. Even the British treated him like he was tainted. How can you trust someone who betrays all they allegedly stand for? When I went into the U.S. Army I had a pretty clear idea what friend and foe were. If I knew then what I know now, I'd realize I was wrong and would not go in and serve. We get lied to about the lies we are told; you can't trust very much in the world to be straight forward and mean what it represents itself to mean. Good post Pete, you have a lot of common sense about many things.
No, I haven't changed positions - perhaps you're looking through a different lense. I disagree about the "fascist left" however, it is fascist right. Nobody gets elected without money, and nobody gets money without representing corporate interests.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Indeed. Cicero said it best: To: mcToejam, rat-boy, drippy, Alzheimer Fred, whitesands, t-bird, And now that your mental train has jumped the tracks once again,things are back to normal. There is no such critter as the "Fascist Right". Fascism is a creation of the left. It is just one more form of statism. Your heroes in Moscow and it's sister city,NYC,decided to call Fascism a right-wing movement once Germany invaded their ally the Soviet Union in order to try and gain some distance from their close kin and one-time ally for world dominance.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
LMAO.
To: mcToejam, rat-boy, drippy, Alzheimer Fred, whitesands, t-bird, Fascism is where government and capitalism form an unholy alliance. Call capitalism a left wing idea, I dare you. But I do agree, as it too involves socialist enterprises..... called corporations... as the main means of capital distribution.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
What a relief! There is no such critter as the "Fascist Right". Fascism is a creation of the left. Who supported Hitler's rise to power in the US? Great Britain?
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Fascism and social welfare (government ownership of charity) are two sides of the same coin. The social welfare state is arguably more intrusive in daily life, as the state must have snooping and policing to make sure that those receiving government funds are qualified and are obeying the rules. Doesn't work, but that only gives them a reason to unleash even more police power on the people. Fascism also turns into a police state, because competitors to favored state supported businesses are suppressed by force, and the state's partners are spied on and controlled just as any other welfare recipient.
She believes the "four legs good, two legs bad" level. You might as well discuss Picasso with a monkey.
To: mcToejam, rat-boy, drippy, Alzheimer Fred, whitesands, t-bird, Heh. Well, monkey knows a lot about art. He goes to a lot of exhibits and posts about old movies and such. Way over my head.
Oh Sergeant I'm a draftee and I've just arrived in camp. To do my job obediently is my only desire. Now there are several lessons that I haven't mastered yet. Oh, there are rumors in the camp about our enemy. The hand grenade is something that I just don't understand. Oh, I want to thank you, Sergeant, for the help you've been to me. Rat-boy slithered back out from under his rock, eh? Feh.
To: mcToejam, rat-boy, drippy, Alzheimer Fred, whitesands, t-bird, Yup. Communism. Communism is the marriage between the government and finance. Or are you going to pretend that your heroes of the left didn't control the financial markets in the "good old USSR"? It is only in FREE SOCIETIES where finance and government are divorced.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Or are you going to pretend that your heroes of the left didn't control the financial markets in the "good old USSR"? It is only in FREE SOCIETIES where finance and government are divorced. You old soldiers need to come to grips with reality, the cold war is over.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Isn't it conservatives who get their panties all in a twist over sex and who is doing what to whom?
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Isn't it conservatives who get their panties all in a twist over sex and who is doing what to whom? Thanks for the non-sequitor. Let me know if you come up with a response that relates to my post.
Naw, the "right wing" label was applied to fascism by NYC back in the '30s when the communists were murdering priests in Spain and both the conservatives (the right) and the fascists loyal to The Church united under Franco to kick the commies' asses. Edit: PS Right and Left rarely relate to the libertarian Statist<------>Liberty scale. The Right refers to conservatives, who are the old guard, whether it is Monarchism in the late 18th century or Communism in the 1990's. The Left are the ones who want to change things. The American Founders were the leftists of their day.
I had Rush Limbaugh attacking the woman from Georgetown University in mind. He seemed overly concerned with her sex life, don't you think?
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
We weren't discussing Rush Limbaugh, the Georgetown woman, or that issue. But thanks for letting me know what you had in your head. Is there anything in there that relates to our discussion?
The basics never were a problem, but getting neocons running things regarding to war was. If I had to do it over again, I would never have gone in.
Not really. The left wants to go back to a tribal/communal form of government where the tribe owns everything and the Chief/tribal leader is the head of the local Politburo. In other words,they want to go back to the earliest and most basic form of government,the "nuclear family". The American Founders were the leftists of their day. No,they were the revolutionaries that were fighting for individual freedoms over collective obligations. Despite all the advertising,there is NOTHING "Revolutionary" about communism.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
On an intellectual level,I agree. I'll even go so far as to say that if I had a child considering enlisting,I'd mess him up so bad he would never be able to pass the physical UNLESS he was enlisting for purely selfish reasons,like learning a specific non-combat skill that would be useful in civilian life. Don't try to sell me any of that "defending the country" crap unless the criminal class we call politicians can be bothered to get off their parasitic asses and make the case that a war is necessary,and then have them vote to declare the damn war! BTW,it was the earliest pre-evolved version of neo-con running the show when I went in,and they were called "Democrats". You may have heard of a few of them. People like JFK and LBJ.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Not really. Not really? WTF does that mean. I tried to clue you in on how the words are used in most political discourse. The use of the terms dates back to the French Revolution days, where the conservatives (monarchists) sat on the right side of the National Assembly, and the revolutionaries (republicans) sat on the left. The left became known as the party of change, and the right became the party of continuing he old order -- regardless of what the old order was, monarchy, communism, etc., as I mentioned above. But you go ahead and use the definition you've imagined. It will provide you with plenty of opportunity to get pissed off and puffed up on the interwebs.
In other words,they want to go back to the earliest and most basic form of government,the "nuclear family". BTW, this doesn't make any sense either. Do they want a communal/tribal form of government that owns everything and everybody, or do they want the "nuclear family"? Most definitely not the same thing. The nuclear (or extended) family is the starting point for just government; limiting civil government to affairs primarily outside of our personal lives (except for community intervention in abuse cases).
It means you are wrong. I tried to clue you in on how the words are used in most political discourse. The use of the terms dates back to the French Revolution days, where the conservatives (monarchists) I don't give a rabid rats ass WHAT the freaking French were thinking during the French Revolution. Or even last week. But you go ahead and use the definition you've imagined. Thanks. That's awful white of you.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Yeah,I suspect that is something you say a lot.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Ok, so you're an ignorant fuck. This is where we left off years ago, when you were beating up on a 12 year old because he didn't know how to treat a pet dog and you were too much of a fucked up asshole to teach him.
You are either mistaken,or outright lying. I haven't beaten up a 12 year old since I was 10.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Frankly, any hobgoblin in a suit can claim he is a conservative nowadays, and then implement the same globalist, collectivist policies as the fake liberal before him. As I have said many times in the past, you have to examine the actions of these representatives, not their rhetoric. What they say is meaningless.
#2. To: SJN (#0)
Fake Conservatives As Dangerous To Freedom As Obama
Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate
#3. To: jwpegler (#2)
No, they are actually even more dangerous, because they pretend that a light weight version of the left is somehow the opposite of the left.
#4. To: SJN (#0)
#5. To: lucysmom (#3)
With few exceptions, the left is no longer represented in Washington.
#6. To: lucysmom (#3)
(Edited)
With few exceptions, the left is no longer represented in Washington.
#7. To: SJN (#5)
Have you had some brain trauma?
#8. To: sneakypete (#4)
"Traitors are always MORE dangerous that proclaimed enemies. They are the one that will betray you and stab you in the back."
#9. To: sneakypete (#6)
DAMN! This is twice in one month you are right about something!
#10. To: sneakypete, SJN (#4)
Traitors are always MORE dangerous that proclaimed enemies. They are the one that will betray you and stab you in the back.
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.”
The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
-- Baghdad Bri-bri -- loonymom, ming, e-type jackoff, goober56, wreck, cal-CON, rabid dog, dummy DwarF, biff, harrowup the communist, and meguro. You're on the "a waste of human flesh" list. Brian S[ocialist], you're a propagandist moron. ALL of you can piss off.
#11. To: lucysmom (#9)
I disagree about the "fascist left" however, it is fascist right.
#12. To: sneakypete (#11)
And now that your mental train has jumped the tracks once again,things are back to normal.
The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
-- Baghdad Bri-bri -- loonymom, ming, e-type jackoff, goober56, wreck, cal-CON, rabid dog, dummy DwarF, biff, harrowup the communist, and meguro. You're on the "a waste of human flesh" list. Brian S[ocialist], you're a propagandist moron. ALL of you can piss off.
#13. To: sneakypete (#11)
There is no such critter as the "Fascist Right". Fascism is a creation of the left. It is just one more form of statism. Your heroes in Moscow and it's sister city,NYC,decided to call Fascism a right-wing movement once Germany invaded their ally the Soviet Union in order to try and gain some distance from their close kin and one-time ally for world dominance.
#14. To: sneakypete (#11)
And now that your mental train has jumped the tracks once again,things are back to normal.
#15. To: lucysmom (#9)
(Edited)
I disagree about the "fascist left" however, it is fascist right.
#16. To: Anthem (#15)
Fascism and social welfare (government ownership of charity) are two sides of the same coin.
The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
-- Baghdad Bri-bri -- loonymom, ming, e-type jackoff, goober56, wreck, cal-CON, rabid dog, dummy DwarF, biff, harrowup the communist, and meguro. You're on the "a waste of human flesh" list. Brian S[ocialist], you're a propagandist moron. ALL of you can piss off.
#17. To: Capitalist Eric (#16)
You might as well discuss Picasso with a monkey.
#18. To: Ferret Mike (#8)
When I went into the U.S. Army I had a pretty clear idea what friend and foe were. If I knew then what I know now, I'd realize I was wrong and would not go in and serve.
I've come to wear the uniform and join the martial tramp.
And I want to do my duty, but one thing I do implore
You must give me lessons, sergeant, for I've never killed before.
To learn my weapon thoroughly and how to aim and fire.
To learn to kill the enemy and then to slaughter more,
I'll need instruction, sergeant, for I've never killed before.
I haven't got the hang of how to use the bayonet.
If he doesn't die at once am I to stick him with it more?
Oh, I hope you will be patient, for I've never killed before.
They say that when you see him he looks just like you and me.
But you deny it, Sergeant, and you are a man of war,
So you must give me lessons, for I've never killed before.
You've got to throw it quickly or you're apt to lose your hand.
Does it blow a man to pieces with it's wicked, muffled roar?
Oh, I've got so much to learn because I've never killed before.
For you've taught me how to slaughter and to hate the enemy.
And I know that I'll be ready when they march me off to war,
And I know that it won't matter that I've never killed before.
And I know that it won't matter that I've never killed before.
Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate
#19. To: jwpegler (#18)
The economy is wonderful!
Re-elect Obama, he'll pay your rent!
A chicken in every pot!
-- Baghdad Bri-bri -- loonymom, ming, e-type jackoff, goober56, wreck, cal-CON, rabid dog, dummy DwarF, biff, harrowup the communist, and meguro. You're on the "a waste of human flesh" list. Brian S[ocialist], you're a propagandist moron. ALL of you can piss off.
#20. To: mininggold (#13)
Fascism is where government and capitalism form an unholy alliance.
#21. To: sneakypete (#20)
Yup. Communism. Communism is the marriage between the government and finance.
#22. To: Anthem (#15)
Fascism and social welfare (government ownership of charity) are two sides of the same coin. The social welfare state is arguably more intrusive in daily life, as the state must have snooping and policing to make sure that those receiving government funds are qualified and are obeying the rules.
#23. To: lucysmom (#22)
Fascism and social welfare (government ownership of charity) are two sides of the same coin. The social welfare state is arguably more intrusive in daily life, as the state must have snooping and policing to make sure that those receiving government funds are qualified and are obeying the rules.
#24. To: sneakypete (#11)
(Edited)
Your heroes in Moscow and it's sister city,NYC,decided to call Fascism a right- wing movement once Germany invaded their ally the Soviet Union
#25. To: Anthem (#23)
Thanks for the non-sequitor. Let me know if you come up with a response that relates to my post.
#26. To: lucysmom (#25)
I had Rush Limbaugh attacking the woman from Georgetown University in mind.
#27. To: jwpegler (#18)
#28. To: Anthem (#24)
(Edited)
PS Right and Left rarely relate to the libertarian Statist<------ >Liberty scale. The Right refers to conservatives, who are the old guard, whether it is Monarchism in the late 18th century or Communism in the 1990's. The Left are the ones who want to change things.
#29. To: Ferret Mike (#27)
If I had to do it over again, I would never have gone in.
#30. To: sneakypete (#28)
(Edited)
PS Right and Left rarely relate to the libertarian Statist<------ >Liberty scale. The Right refers to conservatives, who are the old guard, whether it is Monarchism in the late 18th century or Communism in the 1990's. The Left are the ones who want to change things.
#31. To: sneakypete (#28)
The left wants to go back to a tribal/communal form of government where the tribe owns everything and the Chief/tribal leader is the head of the local Politburo.
#32. To: Anthem (#30)
Not really? WTF does that mean.
#33. To: Anthem (#31)
BTW, this doesn't make any sense either.
#34. To: sneakypete (#33)
#35. To: Anthem (#34)
This is where we left off years ago, when you were beating up on a 12 year old because he didn't know how to treat a pet dog and you were too much of a fucked up asshole to teach him.
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