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Title: Ron Paul Shocks Campaign Staff With New Position On Israel (would move US embassy to Jerusalem if requested)
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Business Insider
URL Source: http://articles.businessinsider.com ... lical-leaders-business-insider
Published: Apr 14, 2012
Author: Grace Wyler
Post Date: 2012-04-14 17:41:20 by Hondo68
Keywords: what does Israel want, recognizing Jerusalem as capit, candidate and evangelical lead
Views: 11965
Comments: 41
Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul revealed this week that he would support moving the U.S. Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, a surprising position that contradicts conventional wisdom about Paul's stance toward the Jewish state. Paul first made this position known Wednesday night, during a private meeting with evangelical leaders interested in helping the Texas Congressman reach out to the conservative Christian community. According to a transcript of the meeting obtained by Business Insider, the leaders started off the meeting by asking Paul whether he would sign an Executive Order to move the U.S. Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, a major policy objective for Israeli hardliners and many leaders in the Christian Right. "The real issue here is not what America wants, but what does Israel want," Paul told evangelical leaders, according to a transcript of the meeting obtained by Business Insider. "If Israel wants their capital to be Jerusalem, then the United States should honor that." "How would we like it if some other nation said 'We decided to recognize New York City as your capital instead, so we will build our embassy there?'" he added. Even Paul's senior campaign aides were surprised by his response. "We were floored," senior advisor Doug Wead told Business Insider. "It sounds like pure Ron Paul, but it still caught us off guard...If someone would have asked him that in a national debate, I suppose it would have popped right out, but nobody did!" Wead added that Paul's position "makes sense after the fact," noting that the candidate has frequently emphasized Israel's sovereignty. Still, Paul's stance will likely come as a surprise to GOP leaders, most of whom view Paul's non-interventionist foreign policy ideas — and particularly his stance towards Israel — as his greatest weakness. The septuagenarian Congressman has largely been snubbed by the right-wing Jewish community, and was even excluded from a December presidential candidates' forum hosted by the Republican Jewish Coalition because of his "misguided and extreme" foreign policy views. "I appreciate what he said about Israel — as a matter of fact, I was pleasantly surprised," Brian Jacobs, a Texas pastor who attended Wednesday's meeting, told Business Insider. "It helped answer a lot of questions that I had." Ironically, Paul and Newt Gingrich are now the only presidential candidates who have said that they are in favor of recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and moving the U.S. Embassy there. President Barack Obama has postponed moving the Embassy. Romney "would like to see the U.S. Embassy eventually moved to Jerusalem," campaign spokesman Andrea Saul said in a statement emailed to Business Insider. While Paul's position is unlikely to change the near-certain outcome of the Republican primary, it could help Paul gain support among evangelical leaders, many of whom have been hesitant to support Romney. Jacobs, who works as a consultant for televangelist Billy Graham's organizations, told Business Insider that several evangelical leaders — including heavyweight televangelist like James Robison and Will Graham — have started to express interest in talking to Paul in the wake of Rick Santorum's departure from the race. Jacobs said he is now working with the Paul campaign to organize conference calls between the candidate and evangelical leaders. Christian television producer Justin Machacek, who also attended Wednesday's meeting, said he is working on arranging a larger meeting between Paul and other conservative Christian groups. A relationship with Christian Right powerbrokers could give Ron Paul more leverage within the party, as Romney tries to unite the GOP after this year's divisive primary fight. It could also help broaden the Paul coalition, setting the stage for a future run by Paul's son, U.S. Sen. Rand Paul. "100% of Christian leaders that I've talked to, do you know the one thing they like about Ron Paul? His son Rand Paul," Jacobs told Business Insider. "Every Christian leader will say, 'You know I'm not quite sure if Ron Paul can win the nomination'…but in the same breath, they tag it with, "But I sure do like the way his son has followed him.'"
Poster Comment: Gee, they finally realized that Ron Paul is a Christian.
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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)
Fuck the 'Pauls'...they are irrelevant kooks.
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'! They're both in congress so they get to vote on legislation, and you don't! Israel says their capital is Jerusalem. The Paliswillian capital is Dearborn. I blame Bush for giving political asylum to all of his raghead buddies.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Not surprising you are a zionist 'suckass'... Enjoy your meal.
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'! Enjoy your meal. If he doesn't then he thinks he won't go to heaven. Fundy Christians are lost without the Jews to intercede with G-d on their behalf. And here's the clincher: If Fundy Christians don't support and fight for a homeland for those same Jews then the Fundys will go to hell. Go figure. No wonder they are losing members.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Are you sure? I thought they relied on Jesus for that.
Oh please... This is only a "new" position to neo-nazi scum who've tried to tag along with Paul , disregarding his libertarian positions. If France says that Paris is their capital, it's not the U.S. government's business to challenge it. ditto with any other country. PERIOD.
They need the Jews to occupy historical Israel so Jesus will return to earth, gather up the fundies, and say "come on guys, we're gettin outta here".
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Whoop ti do. A Sovereign nation deciding where its capital will be? Like we should have any say in it. We shouldn't have any say in Israel since we agreed to the creation of the state. If we run the nation, why don't we just call it an American region.
This is only a "new" position to neo-nazi scum who've tried to tag along with Paul , disregarding his libertarian positions. If France says that Paris is their capital, it's not the U.S. government's business to challenge it. ditto with any other country. PERIOD. Exactly. It boggles the mind that this is even a story. I thought this was amusing: a surprising position that contradicts conventional wisdom about Paul's stance toward the Jewish state. a conventional wisdom that was created/manufactured by the two party fraud and their media sock puppets in order to ensure that Paul didn't become a danger to their agenda. This position is 100% consistent with what Dr Paul has been saying for more than 30 years. The REAL news would have been if he had said something different.
You apparently don't know any thing about "Fundi Christians". WE fundi's (those who believe in the Gospel), know that "Israel" isn't defined as a STATE/NATION. It is defined by those Jews and Gentiles who believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior. The Millinialists have totally skewed the truth of scripture. If you want, but it will take me time and research, I will show you through the Gospel, how this has been warped. It won't be tonight though.
You're wrong. But Paul is right. If Israel as a Nation unto itself decides to move their capital it's none of our frickin business.
The only shocking thing is that lots of people are shocked by something they should have grasped all along. RP always respects national sovereignty. The most basic thing any country does is determining its borders and capital. It seemed obvious to me that this would be RP's position.
I think that somehow the evangelicals heard RP's remarks about ending all foreign aid (yes, including Israel, no, really, I'm not kidding, even Israel) as being tantamount to Ron Paul announcing his lifelong love and friendship for Yasser Arafat or something. The media poodles just kept asking him that question over and over, as though they could not believe that any human being could think such a thing. It's shocking how shocked some people who no doubt watched all those boring debates are by all this.
You obviously have a reading comprehension problem.
But of course. A huge number of evangelicals/fundamentalists have made themselves subservient to the heresy of Judaism so when Dr. Paul had the nerve to include Israel in his remarks about ending foreign aid, he became enemy number 1. The mainstream media, being the propaganda department of the two party fraud, jumped on that issue in order to hurt Dr. Paul's ability to threaten their agenda. It's shocking how shocked some people who no doubt watched all those boring debates are by all this. I guess Dr. Paul's statements were so foreign to them that they were unable to comprehend what he was saying.
You obviously have a reading comprehension problem. My apologies. That was rude of me and uncalled for. Let me rephrase by saying that I believe you misunderstood what I said.
You could see the media poodles, little gears whirring in the their heads, like so: end all foreign aid = end foreign aid even to Israel = Ron Paul is Hitler It's so corny but predictable. What's humorous is how sophisticated and informed these people think they are.
Thank you for that. If I did misunderstand my apologies. Such a rare admission that I've just gained respect for you. Please explain where you think I misunderstood. 1
OH yeah
end all foreign aid = end foreign aid even to Israel = Ron Paul is Hitler It's so corny but predictable. What's humorous is how sophisticated and informed these people think they are. What's not so humorous though is the number of viewers who took their misrepresentation of Ron Paul to heart.
ok, forgive me. It's the chemo brain. Got ya now. I misunderstood. : )))
That's because we're not supposed to talk truth. PC gobbliegook is the newspeak of the day.
To be honest, I do not know what you read that made you think I was saying something I wasn't. My comments were in support of Ron Paul. jwpegler stated: "h please... This is only a "new" position to neo-nazi scum who've tried to tag along with Paul , disregarding his libertarian positions. If France says that Paris is their capital, it's not the U.S. government's business to challenge it. ditto with any other country. PERIOD." This is pretty much Ron Paul's exact opinion. I then agreed with jwpegler by stating: Exactly. It boggles the mind that this is even a story. It does boggle the mind because Dr. Pauls statement is 100% consistent with what he has always said about Israel and its sovereignty. I then stated: I thought this was amusing: At which time I copied and pasted a portion of the article: a surprising position that contradicts conventional wisdom about Paul's stance toward the Jewish state. At which time I made this statement: a conventional wisdom that was created/manufactured by the two party fraud and their media sock puppets in order to ensure that Paul didn't become a danger to their agenda. This position is 100% consistent with what Dr Paul has been saying for more than 30 years. I believe this is one hundred percent correct. The media twisted the words of Dr Paul and tried to make it appear as if he was saying something he wasn't. They did it not only on the subject of Israel but also on the subject of 9/11. It is due to his long standing opinion about the sovereignty of not only Israel but all nations in general that I stated that The REAL news would have been if he had said something different. I hope this cleared things up.
Still watching ABCCNNCBSFOXNBC, I see.
: ))) No problem. It happens. I'm sorry to hear that you are having to deal with chemo. My prayers are with you and your family.
Yep. It's depressing the number of people who still can't see through the BS though.
Hey Bucky I trust you've written that 20k check and sent it to Uncle Sammy. He's counting on YOU to help fund his war of terror on the women and children of Pakistan!
Great post, sums things up well. If that's what a "Fundy" is, then I must be one. IMO, the state of Israel serves no religious purpose. It's not necessary for us to get to heaven. You may have misunderstood what FD was saying, I believe that we're all in agreement except for a couple of neo-nazi atheist k00ks, on a jihad against Christians at the top of the thread. Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
I have to do that which is commanded by the government because America's tax requirements upon the free citizenry are completely voluntary. You are aware of this point, correct? The celebration of Americans every year about paying taxes to their high&mighty bureaucracies upon April 15th are completely voluntary. I can PROVE the point, too. And, yes, you are quite correct: we must do what we can to supply our troops on the front-lines of V-I-C-T-O-R-Y around the world with plenty of bullets fighting for OUR rights and liberties and freedoms here in America. It is the reason for our freedoms. And, don't worry. I am not missing the deadlines; missing the April 15th deadline (this year it is the 17th) could cause one of our boys to go off looking for prostitutes in Columbia instead of watching over our beloved president. Nope. Not to worry; the check is in the mail.
Thank you so much. I don't like to use it as an excuse, but in all honestly it kind of messes with your cognitive ability. I'm sorry I so misread and misunderstood your post. You shouldn't of had to explain it to me, though I am so glad that you did.
Then you would be right. The Bible does not talk about a "nation or state", it talks of the children of Israel who are also gentiles grafted on to the root of the chosen people. Which is anyone who believes in Christ as their Savior.
LOL! Yep, we are free to do as we're told.
Thank you so much. I probably shouldn't even participate in these debate forums to tell you the truth. I've found that I forget so much and misconstrue others posts or intentions. (Not that I haven't done that with a less chemicalized brain). Don't wish to use it as an excuse, but do enjoy my time on these forums. And if I misunderstand, I am so happy when people are willing to point it out to me. Yet, do not want to take up a persons valuable time explaining stuff to a ludite. : D
If France says that Paris is their capital, it's not the U.S. government's business to challenge it. ditto with any other country. PERIOD. Bingo. It's amusing that anyone thinks this is a "new" position, when this is exactly the kind of thing he's been talking about for 30+ years already. It's not our government's job to tell other countries how to run their affairs!
And here's the clincher: If Fundy Christians don't support and fight for a homeland for those same Jews then the Fundys will go to hell. Go figure. No wonder they are losing members. What is laughable is their mocking of the muslim religion with their 'wacky' 72 virgins thing and think that their fable of heaven is the 'right one'. kooks all.
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'! Believe me I know way too much about Fundys and their screwy ideas about salvation and grace. And how they believe in the righteousness of our military forays.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Onward Christian soldiers... I forget the rest of the lyrics.
marching as to war Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
I forget the rest of the lyrics. We sang that one every Sunday just before we heard the sermon about how awful you Catholics were. I'm sure that Islam has now taken out Catholicism on the most awful religion scale.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
We blame you Baptists for most of the dry counties in Kentucky, among other things. Plus those drive thru windows at the liquor stores were constructed for the Baptist preachers. So there!
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#2. To: Brian S, *Arab Spring Jihad* (#1)
the 'Pauls'...they are irrelevant kooks.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#3. To: hondo68 (#2)
#4. To: Brian S (#3)
(Edited)
Not surprising you are a zionist 'suckass'...
#5. To: mininggold (#4)
Fundy Christians are lost without the Jews to intercede with G-d on their behalf.
#6. To: hondo68 (#0)
(Edited)
Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate
#7. To: Abcdefg (#5)
Are you sure? I thought they relied on Jesus for that.
#8. To: hondo68 (#0)
noting that the candidate has frequently emphasized Israel's sovereignty.
#9. To: jwpegler (#6)
h please...
#10. To: mininggold (#4)
Fundy Christians are lost without the Jews to intercede with G-d on their behalf.
#11. To: Fibr Dog (#9)
#12. To: jwpegler (#6)
If France says that Paris is their capital, it's not the U.S. government's business to challenge it.
#13. To: Fibr Dog (#9)
a conventional wisdom that was created/manufactured by the two party fraud and their media sock puppets in order to ensure that Paul didn't become a danger to their agenda.
This position is 100% consistent with what Dr Paul has been saying for more than 30 years.
#14. To: SJN (#11)
You're wrong. But Paul is right. If Israel as a Nation unto itself decides to move their capital it's none of our frickin business.
#15. To: TooConservative (#13)
(Edited)
I think that somehow the evangelicals heard RP's remarks about ending all foreign aid (yes, including Israel, no, really, I'm not kidding, even Israel) as being tantamount to Ron Paul announcing his lifelong love and friendship for Yasser Arafat or something. The media poodles just kept asking him that question over and over, as though they could not believe that any human being could think such a thing.
#16. To: SJN (#14)
(Edited)
You're wrong. But Paul is right. If Israel as a Nation unto itself decides to move their capital it's none of our frickin business.
#17. To: Fibr Dog (#15)
#18. To: Fibr Dog (#16)
#19. To: TooConservative (#17)
What's humorous is how sophisticated and informed these people think they are.
#20. To: TooConservative (#17)
You could see the media poodles, little gears whirring in the their heads, like so:
#21. To: Fibr Dog (#20)
#22. To: Fibr Dog (#20)
What's not so humorous though is the number of viewers who took their misrepresentation of Ron Paul to heart.
#23. To: SJN (#18)
Please explain where you think I misunderstood. 1
#24. To: SJN (#22)
(Edited)
PC gobbliegook is the newspeak of the day.
#25. To: SJN (#21)
ok, forgive me. It's the chemo brain. Got ya now. I misunderstood.
#26. To: SJN (#22)
That's because we're not supposed to talk truth. PC gobbliegook is the newspeak of the day.
#27. To: buckeroo (#24)
#28. To: SJN, Fibr Dog, *Ron Paul for President* (#10)
The Millinialists have totally skewed the truth of scripture.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#29. To: Fibr Dog (#27)
I trust you've written that 20k check and sent it to Uncle Sammy. He's counting on YOU to help fund his war of terror on the women and children of Pakistan!
#30. To: Fibr Dog (#25)
#31. To: hondo68 (#28)
If that's what a "Fundy" is, then I must be one. IMO, the state of Israel serves no religious purpose. It's not necessary for us to get to heaven.
#32. To: buckeroo (#29)
I have to do that which is commanded by the government because America's tax requirements upon the free citizenry are completely voluntary.
#33. To: Fibr Dog (#25)
#34. To: jwpegler (#6)
This is only a "new" position to neo-nazi scum who've tried to tag along with Paul , disregarding his libertarian positions.
#35. To: mininggold (#4)
If he doesn't then he thinks he won't go to heaven. Fundy Christians are lost without the Jews to intercede with G-d on their behalf.
#36. To: SJN (#10)
You apparently don't know any thing about "Fundi Christians". WE fundi's (those who believe in the Gospel), know that "Israel" isn't defined as a STATE/NATION. It is defined by those Jews and Gentiles who believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior. The Millinialists have totally skewed the truth of scripture. If you want, but it will take me time and research, I will show you through the Gospel, how this has been warped. It won't be tonight though.
#37. To: mininggold (#36)
#38. To: Fred Mertz (#37)
with the cross of Jesus going on before
#39. To: Fred Mertz (#37)
(Edited)
Onward Christian soldiers...
#40. To: mininggold (#39)
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