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Title: Problems With Affirmative Action Liberals Refuse to Acknowledge
Source: PU.com
URL Source: http://patriotupdate.com/articles/p ... liberals-refuse-to-acknowledge
Published: Mar 31, 2012
Author: David L. Goetsch
Post Date: 2012-03-31 08:39:11 by CZ82
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Problems With Affirmative Action Liberals Refuse to Acknowledge

Written on March 30, 2012 by David L. Goetsch

The left considers affirmative action one its most sacred cows. On a liberal’s list of don’t-touch programs, affirmative action ranks right up there with abortion. And nowhere is affirmative action worshipped more fervently than in the admissions offices of colleges and universities. But there are problems with affirmative action that liberals either deny or choose to ignore, problems that undermine the viability and credibility of the program. The following problems should be considered by those in Congress who have the ability to eliminate this misguided attempt at government-coerced social engineering.

Affirmative action was originally conceived as a way to eliminate discrimination in hiring practices and in college admissions. Ironically, in actual practice affirmative action attempts to end discrimination by discriminating. Those being discriminated against as a result of affirmative action, particularly in the case of college and university admissions, more often than not are white and Asian students who score higher than the black students who are given their seats in the Freshman class.

Because the courts are beginning to question cases in which lower scoring black students are admitted to colleges and universities over higher scoring white and Asian students, affirmative action advocates are quietly changing their approach. Their new rationale for maintaining affirmative action in college admissions is that the program promotes diversity. But this slight-of-hand trick is just a slick way to continue basing college and university admission on race rather than merit. If colleges and universities were truly interested in diversity, they would admit students on the basis of diverse characteristics rather than race. Race is hardly the only aspect of diversity. What about religion, worldview, politics, geography, and a host of other characteristics that make people different? In fact, one could argue that admitting students to colleges and universities on the basis of race limits diversity in the student body rather than increasing it.

Further, if diversity is the goal of affirmative action in college and university admissions, why stop at the classroom? Why not apply affirmative action to the football, basketball, and baseball teams? Why not apply it to the faculty? Since these teams are such an important part of the college experience, surely the need for diversity is just as great in them as it is in the classroom. If a black applicant who scores low on the SAT can be admitted to college over an Asian who scores high, why shouldn’t a short, fat, white kid who cannot shoot or jump be admitted to the college’s basketball team over a tall black kid who has the makings of another Michael Jordan? Absurd you say? Why is putting an unqualified student on the basketball team over a qualified student any different than doing the same thing in the classroom? They are both college students—supposedly.

As to affirmative action in the hiring of faculty members, does the need for diversity apply in this case too? If so, colleges and universities have a big problem. Since more than 70 percent of college and university professors identify themselves in surveys as either “liberal” or “very liberal,” colleges and universities are violating their own justification for affirmative action, not to mention their claim to providing a well-rounded education. If faculty diversity is important, college and university faculties should be more balanced on the liberal-conservative spectrum. By the way, don’t expect any major changes in this regard. Liberals now control the faculties of most colleges and universities and have no plans to relinquish their control in the name of diversity or for any other reason.

Perhaps the greatest irony of all concerning affirmative action is how Asian minorities are being treated by college and university admissions offices. No one would deny that Asians are a minority in America—no one that is except admissions officers in certain colleges and universities. Although students of Asian heritage are clearly a minority in America, major universities such as Harvard have begun to limit the number of Asian students they will admit, and they do this in the name of affirmative action. Apparently Asian students work too hard, study too much, and score too high on standardized tests—things that Harvard and other left-leaning universities claim give them a competitive advantage over other minorities. In other words, as applied by Harvard and other institutions of higher education, affirmative action applies only to minorities who don’t work hard, study long hours, or score high on standardized tests.

In a diverse nation such as ours, whenever there are competitive openings in colleges or universities, there are going to be applicants of both genders and all races. This being the case, there is only one fair way to fill the limited seats: meritoriously. Colleges and universities should admit the best candidates who apply as determined on the basis of merit. Merit, not race, gender, or ambiguous criteria such as diversity should be the only consideration when making admissions or hiring decisions.

Members of Congress need to ask themselves a hard question: Is it time to eliminate affirmative action as a government program? I suspect that there are few members of Congress on either side of the aisle with the gumption to take on the sacred cow of affirmative action. My message to these weak-kneed members of Congress is that they should consider the words of my colleague, Robert J. Kriegel, who once wrote: “Sacred cows make the best burgers.”


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"Apparently Asian students work too hard, study too much, and score too high on standardized tests—things that Harvard and other left-leaning universities claim give them a competitive advantage over other minorities".---- Or then again maybe the professors have figured out that the Asians don't believe the bullschitt their trying to brainwash them with....

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#1. To: CZ82 (#0)

Trillions of affirmative action dollars has failed to raise a black intellectual middle class !

One bill cosby !

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BorisY  posted on  2012-03-31   8:58:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: CZ82 (#0) (Edited)

Luckily my state of Washington was the second state in the country (after California) to outlaw affirmative action way back in 1998.

Michigan (2006), Nebraska (2008) and Arizona (2010) are the only other states that have banned it.

What in the hell is wrong with the rest of the country?


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jwpegler  posted on  2012-03-31   9:26:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: jwpegler (#2)

What in the hell is wrong with the rest of the country?

We have too many of the wrong people in positions that make up the laws!!

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CZ82  posted on  2012-03-31   9:40:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: CZ82 (#0)

On a liberal’s list of don’t-touch programs, affirmative action ranks right up there with abortion. And nowhere is affirmative action worshipped more fervently than in the admissions offices of colleges and universities. But there are problems with affirmative action that liberals either deny or choose to ignore, problems that undermine the viability and credibility of the program.

Of course the affirmative action program designed to benefit the untalented, underachieving sons and daughters of the elite is never mentioned in this article. That sacred tribute to wealth is not to be questioned.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-31   10:45:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: jwpegler (#2)

Luckily my state of Washington was the second state in the country (after California) to outlaw affirmative action way back in 1998.

What? Are youse telling me that the socialist state of California led the pack?

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lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-31   10:47:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: CZ82 (#0)

Apparently Asian students work too hard, study too much, and score too high on standardized tests—things that Harvard and other left-leaning universities claim give them a competitive advantage over other minorities.

The bastards! That's almost like cheating,and an example racism itself to expect a brutha to do all that when he's getting a free ride for doing nothing.

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sneakypete  posted on  2012-03-31   12:25:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: lucysmom (#4)

Of course the affirmative action program designed to benefit the untalented, underachieving sons and daughters of the elite is never mentioned in this article. That sacred tribute to wealth is not to be questioned.

Well,according to airheads like you they deserve it even more than the idiots you support because they are a smaller minority group.

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sneakypete  posted on  2012-03-31   12:27:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: lucysmom (#5)

What? Are youse telling me that the socialist state of California led the pack?

Sure. They were the first to see that the white man was rapidly becoming a minority in California,and it just wouldn't do to give gringos protected status.

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sneakypete  posted on  2012-03-31   12:30:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: sneakypete (#8) (Edited)

Sure. They were the first to see that the white man was rapidly becoming a minority in California, and it just wouldn't do to give gringos protected status.

Yep, and there are also a ton of Asians on the west coast who were hurt by affirmative action in education.


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jwpegler  posted on  2012-03-31   16:31:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: sneakypete (#7)

Well,according to airheads like you they deserve it even more than the idiots you support because they are a smaller minority group.

If I'm an airhead, and you've got it all wrong, what does that make you?

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-31   17:41:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: jwpegler (#9)

Yep, and there are also a ton of Asians on the west coast who were hurt by affirmative action in education.

True,but as far as I can tell,the Asians have next to zero political power or influence. They may as well be white for all practical purposes. In fact,I think they may even be more hated than whites.

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sneakypete  posted on  2012-03-31   20:14:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: lucysmom (#10)

If I'm an airhead, and you've got it all wrong, what does that make you?

If you were a tree,what kind of tree would you be?

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sneakypete  posted on  2012-03-31   20:16:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: sneakypete (#11)

True,but as far as I can tell,the Asians have next to zero political power or influence. They may as well be white for all practical purposes.

Both Oakland an San Francisco have Asian mayors. The enrollment in the University of California system is 40% Asian.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-31   21:25:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: lucysmom (#13)

The enrollment in the University of California system is 40% Asian.

How many of them are Americans,and how many are Chinese?

"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011

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sneakypete  posted on  2012-03-31   21:52:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: lucysmom (#4)

Of course the affirmative action program designed to benefit the untalented, underachieving sons and daughters of the elite is never mentioned in this article. That sacred tribute to wealth is not to be questioned.

You must be talking about the people that stole all of the money from the Red states!!!!

So post an article on it....

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CZ82  posted on  2012-04-01   8:03:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: CZ82 (#15)

You must be talking about the people that stole all of the money from the Red states!!!!

I had George Bush, the lesser, in mind.

You want an article, here it is:

Legacy preferences, which provide a leg up in college admissions to applicants who are the offspring of alumni, are employed at almost three-quarters of selective research universities and virtually all elite liberal-arts colleges. Yet legacy preferences have received relatively little public attention, especially when compared with race-based affirmative-action programs, which have given rise to hundreds of books and law-review articles, numerous court decisions, and several state initiatives to ban the practice.

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While some colleges and universities try to play down the impact of legacy preferences, calling them "tie breakers," research from Princeton's Thomas Espenshade suggests that their weight is significant, on the order of adding 160 SAT points to a candidate's record...

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...legacy preferences are "virtually unknown in the rest of the world"; they are "an almost exclusively American custom." The irony, of course, is that while legacies are uniquely American, they are also deeply un-American, as Michael Lind, of the New America Foundation, has argued.

Thomas Jefferson famously sought to promote in America a "natural aristocracy" based on "virtue and talent," rather than an "artificial aristocracy" based on wealth. "By reserving places on campus for members of the pseudo-aristocracy of 'wealth and birth,'" Lind writes, "legacy preferences introduce an aristocratic snake into the democratic republican Garden of Eden."

chronicle.com/article/10-Myths-About-Legacy/124561/

It seems to be part of the character of "real" conservatives to complain about giving a break to the guy on the bottom working hard to improve his lot, while defending the unearned privilege of his masters.

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lucysmom  posted on  2012-04-01   12:08:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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