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Title: INS DOC FOUND: U.S. CERTIFICATE ISSUED TO ONE EAST AFRICAN-BORN CHILD OF U.S. CITIZEN IN 1961!
Source: THE DAILY PEN
URL Source: http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/201 ... -us-certificate-issued-to.html
Published: Mar 24, 2012
Author: Dan Crosby
Post Date: 2012-03-24 09:06:49 by Rudgear
Keywords: ILLEGALALIEN, OBAMINATION, BRIANSWETDREAM
Views: 38838
Comments: 65

IMPLICATIVE DISCOVERY: A government document found buried in the online reference section of a Boston Public Library archive bolsters a growing mountain of evidentiary data against Barack Obama’s constitutional eligibility to be president. The document indicates that a consular officer issued a single certificate of statutory citizenship, within the time frame including August 4, 1961, to a child born to a U.S. citizen between July 1st and December 31st, 1961 in the Kenyan region of Africa. The record also reveals that the certificate was the only one issued for this specific type of arrival in the U.S. over a span of more than 18 months, among thousands from other parts of the world.

By Dan Crosby of THE DAILY PEN

NEW YORK, NY – A recently discovered rare immigration record found by researchers working on behalf of an ongoing investigation into the Constitutional eligibility of Barack Obama to hold the office of the U.S. presidency reveals that an American consular officer issued a single Certificate of Citizenship to only one passenger arriving in the U.S. from the Kenyan region of Africa between July and December of 1961.

The record shows demographic and status classifications for a passenger who was explicitly recorded at the INS Arrival Inspection Station as an individual being born to a U.S. citizen parent arriving from the Kenyan region of Africa between July 1st and December 31st, 1961.

This information and the dates of its documentation are disturbing given the rare nature of the issuance of certificates of citizenship for children who acquire their citizenship by birth to incoming U.S. citizens in this particular region of Africa.

These dates not only align with the alleged date of Obama’s birth on August 4, 1961, but also with evidence indicating that Ann Dunham departed from Hawaii beginning in February, 1961, shortly after her undocumented marriage to Obama Sr.

Also supported by this data is the implication of an African trip by the absence of Dunham’s passport information which is known to have existed from the 1960s which was used in at least one occasion for her departure with Obama Jr. to Indonesia where the two lived with Lolo Soetoro, Dunham’s second husband. If Dunham had filed for a “renewal” of an old passport, rather than for a new passport in the mid 1960’s for the Indonesian trip, which would have been the common practice for the life of a passport, this would have been indicated on the missing application which would have been included with the series of documents released by an FOIA request in early 2010.

The Immigration and Naturalization Service published its annual Report of the Immigration and Naturalization Service in 1963, for the year of July 1st, 1961 ending on June 30th, 1962. According to information on page 99 of the report the only certificate of acquired citizenry issued based on the grounds of birth to a U.S. citizen abroad was coincidentally also issued in the same time frame during which Barack Obama’s alleged birth date occurred on August 4th, 1961.

http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim1962unit#page/99/mode/1up

According to the INS, Certificates of Citizenship are issued upon arrival in the U.S. to those who have acquired statutory citizenship (not natural-born citizenship) by birth to at least one U.S. citizen parent within the previous year while that parent(s) was temporarily in another country. COC are notifications provided by the American Consulate Service, via the INS, to individuals born to at least one U.S. citizen abroad in order to provide interim citizen alien status while immigration status is processed and secured. COC are not issued to natural-born citizens or children born to non-U.S. citizen parents arriving in the U.S., nor are COC received through the same process as required for naturalized citizenship, according to the INS.

http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim1962unit#page/14/mode/1up

A COAC is issued to an arriving child from abroad who is:

- born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one parent with “alien” non-citizen status, or - born in the U.S. to two alien parents who both naturalize after the child’s birth, or - born abroad to a U.S. citizen who did not live in (or come to) the United States for a period of time prior to the child’s birth, or - adopted and is permanently residing in the United States and can become a U.S. citizen by action of law on the date on which all of the following requirements have been met: - The child was lawfully admitted for permanent residence; and - Either parent was a United States citizen by birth or naturalization; and - The child was still under 18 years of age; and - The child was not married; and - The child was the parent’s legitimate child or was legitimated by the parent before the child’s 16th birthday (Stepchildren or children born out of wedlock who were not legitimated before their 16th birthday do not derive United States citizenship through their parents.); and - If adopted, the child met the requirements of section 101(b)(1)(E) or (F) and has had a full and final adoption; and - The child was residing in the United States in the legal custody of the U.S. citizen parent (this includes joint custody)

As previously reported by Dr. Jerome Corsi of WND and other sources, the void of documented and testimonial evidence accounting for Ann Dunham’s presence in Hawaii between February and early August of 1961 implies that she had reasons to travel to Kenya shortly after her undocumented marriage to Obama’s alleged father in February of 1961. According to the widely accepted but highly suspicious uncorroborated account of events, Dunham would have been at least three months pregnant at the time of the marriage. The only evidence accounting for Dunham’s presence after August 1961 is a transcript of registration to attend fall extension classes at the University of Washington, in Seattle, beginning in late August, 1961.

The previous year’s INS report shows that no other Certificates of Derived Citizenry by birth were issued to anyone arriving from the Kenyan region of Africa between July 1st, 1960 and June 30th, 1961. During this time, the INS recorded 282 alien arrivals from Kenya by air, and three U.S. citizens.

The arrival of these Kenyan aliens is corroborated by the African American Students Foundation Report of Activities 1959-1961 which documents the arrival of the same number of students in the U.S. on September 7, 1960 from Nairobi, Kenya via the second sortie of the Airlift America Project, a project initiated in April 1959 by the AASF and former Kenyan Prime Minister, Tom Mboya, to bring African students from Nairobi to study in the U.S.

Of the 2397 arrivals from Africa who were originally classified by the INS as “Aliens” between July 1, 1961 and June 30, 1962, only one was from Kenya. INS procedures dictate that arrivals under the age of 18 not possessing a U.S. passport are issued “alien” status until the alleged parents of the child are officially issued a Certificate of Citizenry. The Certificate of Citizenry can then be used in conjunction with state birth registration procedures to acquire a birth certificate for the child.

A COC is also considered a primary form of identification by the State of Hawaii in 1961 to prove a foreign born infant’s residency in the U.S. prompting the issuance of a standard Certificate of Live Birth under Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17 which would then allocate the location of the birth to the mother’s residence.

Corroborating data from passenger arrivals of flights entering the U.S. between July 1st, 1961 and June 30th, 1962 indicates this one individual may have been originally classified as an alien upon arrival prior to application for derivative citizenship. The INS report shows there was only one individual who was originally classified by the INS as an alien arriving by air from Kenya. This individual was possibly inspected by INS officers in Hawaii upon arrival at the INS station located within Honolulu International Airport sometime in early August of 1961.

Unfortunately, the report does not give data supporting that this individual was accompanied by a U.S. citizen parent. This may be explained by the disparity of time between being classified as an “alien” in the interim until a COAC was granted and the collection of data for this report’s date of publication.

According to the INS report data, a voluntary birth to a U.S. resident in Africa in 1961, away from the quality of care offered at U.S. hospitals was extremely rare with only eight such cases in more than two years. The rarity of this event would leave an easily referenced recording of the birth abroad. Hawaiian law also specifies that documentation used to issue birth certificates by the Hawaiian Health Department includes certificates of citizenship issued by the Immigration and Naturalization Service upon arrival of children born to U.S. citizens abroad.


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It'll be interesting what gaffs Limbaugh will contrive to keep the increasing amount of evidence off the air. Corsi's book resulted in the 'Osama' hit and Sheriff Arpaio's news conference caused Hush to show his true colors as a bought and paid for whore of the government-media complex. See? Only good can come from the revealing of truth. (9 images)

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#26. To: lucysmom (#20)

Your tag line is as vapid as you. Having a hopefully informed opinion doesn't require being or being thought of as an expert.

war has to do something for entertainment; the voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.

Rudgear  posted on  2012-03-24   15:10:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: lucysmom (#25)

Another witness for Christ?

Yes. Now get the nigger impersonator of a President out of our White House.

The term nigger is reserved for asshole corrupt mean people who happen to be black. That makes Obama a nigger.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-03-24   15:11:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#23)

A state can't talk.

I dare say, if a corporation can talk, an state can bloody well talk.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-24   15:11:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: lucysmom (#25)

Telling the truth is witness. Your affirmative-action-Head-Nigger-in-Charge White House action-figure is the culmination of all the 60s lies you were trained to believe. Sucker.

war has to do something for entertainment; the voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.

Rudgear  posted on  2012-03-24   15:14:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: lucysmom (#28)

What's worse ... liar - murderer - thief --- nigger !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2012-03-24   15:20:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Rudgear (#29)

Your affirmative-action-Head-Nigger-in-Charge White House action-figure is the culmination of all the 60s lies you were trained to believe. Sucker.

Aw, youse just made that up.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-24   15:22:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: BorisY (#30)

What's worse ... liar - murderer - thief --- nigger !

How many angles dance on the head of a pin?

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-24   15:24:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: BorisY, Rudgear (#30)

I pray that you both find better things to do with your Saturday.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-24   15:26:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: lucysmom (#32)

That's something you liberals are doing !

Millions of them !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2012-03-24   15:27:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: lucysmom (#31)

Name one accomplishment of his prior to being handed the office of president by guilt-ridden liberal whites? HE won't even list them because they don't exist. SSSSSSucker.

war has to do something for entertainment; the voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.

Rudgear  posted on  2012-03-24   15:27:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: lucysmom (#33)

Handing you your head at every turn is a fine way to spend the day.

war has to do something for entertainment; the voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.

Rudgear  posted on  2012-03-24   15:28:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: BorisY (#11)

they would be better off with the mill stone than to mislead the children

The teachers union voted to mislead now, lake of fire later.

Misleading Wisconsin teacher, satanic slut


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2012-03-24   15:30:07 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: hondo68 (#37) (Edited)

The wrong are !

She should have left the my out !

could've hyphenated the two !

borisese spoken here !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2012-03-24   15:34:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: lucysmom (#32)

angles dance

Did you ... forget about --- what about the crusades !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2012-03-24   15:38:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: lucysmom (#33) (Edited)

I pray that you both find better things to do with your Saturday.

Come on LM! You should know better than to come between good Christian conservatives and a source of their latest feel good delusions. All this article is, is the equivalent of a high school rally.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-03-24   15:57:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Rudgear (#36)

This would 'nullify' the Obama Universal Health care bill, wouldn't it?

whyofcourse  posted on  2012-03-24   18:51:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: whyofcourse (#41)

It would nullify everything that bastard has done. That's what this is about.

war has to do something for entertainment; the voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.

Rudgear  posted on  2012-03-24   18:53:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Rudgear (#42)

How do we get this to the 26 States who are bringing this to the Supreme Court?

whyofcourse  posted on  2012-03-24   18:57:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Rudgear, whyofcourse (#42)

It would nullify everything that bastard has done. That's what this is about.

No it wouldn't.

The de facto officer doctrine means that Obama is President even if it were later discovered that he didn't qualify for office. (Look it up)

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-24   21:38:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: whyofcourse (#43)

How do we get this to the 26 States who are bringing this to the Supreme Court?

Orly Taitz is on the case, but she needs money. You can help.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orly_Taitz

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-24   21:50:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: mininggold (#40)

You should know better than to come between good Christian conservatives and a source of their latest feel good delusions.

I forgot, it's campaign season again and sanity has taken a hike.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-24   21:54:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: lucysmom, Rudgear, whyofcourse (#44)

The de facto officer doctrine means that

The Mau Mau's in Kenya, have to buy ObamaCare.


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Hondo68  posted on  2012-03-24   21:57:33 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: lucysmom (#45)

Obama Not A Citizen Thanks To His Own Mother

Attorney Orly Taitz vowed to shove everything she had concerning Barack Obama’s evidentiary problem at last week’s eligibility challenge in front of Indiana’s election board.  Taitz,whose airline ticket to the hearing was purchased by a concerned citizen,presented evidence of a “stolen social security number and a forgery instead of a birth certificate!”  She told WND reporter Bob Unruh that Indiana just removed their Secretary of State Charlie White for his discrepancies with voter registration irregularities over “minor” problems.  Taitz said our sitting president’s eligibility problems are major in comparison.

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But new questions about the status of BHO’s teen age mother Stanley Ann Dunham are surfacing as analysis at another web site is revealing a Congressional rule change for people born between December 23,1952 and November 13,1986 puts in serious doubt Stanley Ann Dunham’s ability to confer citizenship status on her son.

Since Barack Hussein Obama,Jr. was born in 1961,this newly discovered law involves Dunham’s age because she was only 18 at time of delivery!  The law says:

”When one parent was a U.S. citizen and the other a foreign national,the U.S. citizen parent must have resided in the U.S. for a total of 10 years prior to birth of the child with FIVE of the years after the age of 14.” Stanley Ann Dunham did not meet requisite status according to blog discovery.  One commenter said,“She was not old enough to register Obama’s birth in Hawaii or anywhere else in the U.S. as a Natural Born Citizen as she did not meet the residency requirements!  Backing this statement up,another commenter reiterates:” The law specifically outlines the requirements for a CITIZEN mother to confer citizenship to her baby.  Ann Dunham was NOT old enough-case closed!”

Judge Malihi in his pg. 6 footnote went back 20 years to cite Jill Pryor’s statement to the Yale Law Journal in which she said:“Despite its apparent simplicity,the Natural Born Citizen clause of the Constitution has never been completely understood.”  Pryor goes on to begin her next sentence with the nonsensical anonymous pronoun IT:“It is well settled that Native Born citizens,those born in the U.S.,qualify as natural born.”

Huh?  Who is “It” Judge?

The WND analysis found the state Supreme Court of North Dakota over seventy years ago threw out of office a governor because his “lack of residential qualifications is a legal disability!” You can view the C-Span video of U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas  telling Puerto Rican Representative Jose Serrno:“We’re evading that one!” when his questioner asked about the NBC clause. So a new angle enters the Obama NBC protest. While state and federal officialdom keeps ignoring American citizens,Attorney Orly Taitz,who was born in the USSR and who fears her beloved naturalized country is heading toward the fate of Germany,is keeping the controversy up on court dockets.  If she and her other appeals colleagues get rebuffed on the birth father’s NBC issue,maybe they can start in on a new round of hearings using the birth mother’s status.  They just won’t have President Obama’s own words telling them his father was NOT a U.S. citizen!

Alert:Sheriff Joe Arpaio is releasing the results of his investigation into Barack Obama’s Eligibility. Go to this link to see the video.

http://www.exposeobama.com/2012/02/29/obama-not-a-citizen-thanks-to-his-own-mother/

whyofcourse  posted on  2012-03-24   21:58:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: lucysmom (#44)

Then what does he and his masters have to gain by destroying, hiding and forging a back trail of paperwork if his 'legacy' is inviolate should the truth come out?

war has to do something for entertainment; the voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.

Rudgear  posted on  2012-03-24   21:58:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Rudgear (#49)

Then what does he and his masters have to gain by destroying, hiding and forging a back trail of paperwork if his 'legacy' is inviolate should the truth come out?

It just may be that Obama is who he says he is, born in Hawaii where he says he was born. Wouldn't that be insidious?

Maybe Obama's masters started this whole birther thing just to make conservatives look ridiculous.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-24   22:05:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: lucysmom (#50)

It just may be that Obama is who he says he is

The Sheriff has now proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Obama is an imposter. That is good news. Future congresses and real presidents can now void everything he did. Then put the usurper in prison to face serious charges that put his life and limb in danger.

His wife and children should also be charged as they know the truth.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-03-25   8:51:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: lucysmom (#44)

The de facto officer doctrine means that Obama is President even if it were later discovered that he didn't qualify for office. (Look it up)

That can be undone by an act of congress. I predict it will happen. When it does. Obamas family in perpetuity should be foreced to pay back every cent plus interest that the Kenyan Obama usurper piece of cat shit spent. Obama is a piece of shit. He is evil. Everyone who supports him should be brought up on treason charges.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-03-25   8:53:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: lucysmom (#44)

The de facto officer doctrine means that Obama is President even if it were later discovered that he didn't qualify for office. (Look it up)

By the way the constitution overrules that dumb ass.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-03-25   8:55:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Rudgear (#49)

Then what does he and his masters have to gain by destroying, hiding and forging a back trail of paperwork if his 'legacy' is inviolate should the truth come out?

Have you considered the truth is out, the birthers just refuse to accept it?

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-25   10:54:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: A K A Stone (#53)

By the way the constitution overrules that dumb ass.

Well smartypants, then you should have no trouble quoting the relevant passage.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-25   10:55:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: lucysmom (#55)

Well smartypants, then you should have no trouble quoting the relevant passage.

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President;

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-03-25   10:57:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: A K A Stone (#52)

That can be undone by an act of congress. I predict it will happen.

Then you need to put your thinking cap on.

Everyone who supports him should be brought up on treason charges.

Aren't you the wacky one this morning.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-25   10:59:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: A K A Stone (#56)

shall be eligible to the office of President;

And yet Obama IS president. Obama will continue to be president until he is no longer president.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-25   11:03:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: lucysmom (#58)

And yet Obama IS president. Obama will continue to be president until he is no longer president.

But they so want to have their way.. and if they don't get it, they will have a tantrum. Waaaah.

These idiots can't be trusted with running a country, they are too easily distracted by made up emotional BS.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-03-25   11:18:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: whyofcourse (#48)

”When one parent was a U.S. citizen and the other a foreign national,the U.S. citizen parent must have resided in the U.S. for a total of 10 years prior to birth of the child with FIVE of the years after the age of 14.” Stanley Ann Dunham did not meet requisite status according to blog discovery. One commenter said,“She was not old enough to register Obama’s birth in Hawaii or anywhere else in the U.S. as a Natural Born Citizen as she did not meet the residency requirements! Backing this statement up,another commenter reiterates:” The law specifically outlines the requirements for a CITIZEN mother to confer citizenship to her baby. Ann Dunham was NOT old enough-case closed!”

Unless Obama's parents were diplomats, his birth on US soil is all it takes to be a natural born citizen.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-25   11:20:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: mininggold (#59)

These idiots can't be trusted with running a country, they are too easily distracted by made up emotional BS.

They remind me of kids telling each other scary stories around a campfire until they're all to frightened to go to sleep.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-25   11:23:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: lucysmom (#60)

Unless Obama's parents were diplomats, his birth on US soil is all it takes to be a natural born citizen.

His father was not an American. Neither is Obama. Your spinning doesn't make truth.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-03-25   11:34:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: A K A Stone (#62)

His father was not an American. Neither is Obama.

This is the United States of America and US law applies here, not something you made up.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-25   11:48:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: lucysmom (#63)

I didn't make that up. It is from congress. Look it up. I don't have time to be your teacher.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-03-25   11:48:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: A K A Stone (#64)

Look it up. I don't have time to be your teacher.

There isn't enough time left to me on earth to be your teacher!

As I recall, the law you quote only applied (the law was changed some time ago) to births outside the US.

"the Supreme Court of New York in 1844, Lynch v. Clarke where the judge opined:

By the common law, all persons born within the ligeance of the crown of England, were natural born subject, without reference to the status or condition of their parents.

and

The term citizen, was used in the constitution as a word, the meaning of which was already established and well understood. And the constitution itself contains a direct recognition of the subsisting common law principle, in the section which defines the qualification of the President. “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President,” … The only standard which then existed, of a natural born citizen, was the rule of the common law, and no different standard has been adopted since. Suppose a person should be elected President who was native born, but of alien parents, could there be any reasonable doubt that he was eligible under the constitution? I think not."

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-25   12:09:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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