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Title: No Paul = No Vote in November (Hell, no, we won't go!)
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URL Source: http://www.thedailybell.com/3693/Ro ... nd-No-Paul-No-Vote-in-November
Published: Mar 11, 2012
Author: Ron Holland
Post Date: 2012-03-11 14:33:21 by Hondo68
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"I would also say of Ron Paul – he doesn't need to win. In his view he is winning already. This is an ideological point he is making. But here's why it's electorally significant – a lot of people, I mean 41 percent in Virginia, only two people on the ballot, still a lot of people voted for Ron Paul. A lot of those voters are portable. They're not Republican – they're not dedicated Republican voters." – Tucker Carlson, Editor, The Daily Caller It is time for a groundswell of Ron Paul supporters to quietly, respectfully but firmly make their position clear to the mainstream media and the GOP establishment. Simply put, "No Paul on the ticket means no vote for the GOP in November." The Ron Paul Campaign has the GOP establishment stuck between a rock and a hard place even though they have not won a single state in the primaries to date. Every Paul supporter knows the underhanded tactics used by the Republican leadership at the state and national level as well as the organized smear and news blackout campaign carried out by the mainstream media. Making Nice For the November Election As we move into the last months of the GOP presidential nomination campaign, most of the establishment media are now "making nice" with Ron Paul and his supporters. He actually gets questions during the debates, some press coverage and the other candidates seem friendly. The reason is simple. The Republican Party desperately needs the votes of Ron Paul supporters in order to win in November against Obama. Obviously, Virginia Heffernan didn't get the memo in her typical anti-Paul elitist drivel titled Ron Paul's Pointless Internet Presidency posted on Yahoo earlier in the week but now this is the exception rather than standard procedure for the press. The word has gone out to be nice and respectful to Ron Paul so they can get our votes in November. Too Little Too Late The Republican establishment has obviously done its homework with focus groups, polling, etc. and here is their situation. Although they have successfully held back the Ron Paul campaign to date from threatening to win the GOP presidential nomination, in the dirty tricks process they have ostracized the substantial Paul voting constituency even more from the GOP than before. Paul supporters are far more than portable as suggested by Tucker Carlson; rather they are toxic toward the GOP elites and very few will now support any of the establishment candidates after the abusive treatment given to Ron Paul as well as the crude attacks against Paul supporters. I well understand these feelings of resentment, as I am a Ron Paul supporter. There is no way I will vote for either Romney, Santorum or Gingrich, although I certainly prefer their fake rhetoric to the Obama propaganda. If Ron Paul isn't the Republican nominee for president, then the establishment nominee desperately needs the votes of his supporters in order to beat Obama in the fall general election. The establishment knows the Gingrich and Santorum voters in the GOP Presidential primary will eventually vote for Mitt Romney in November if he wins the Republican presidential nomination at the GOP convention beginning on August 27th, 2012. They also know and fear that most Ron Paul supporters will not vote for the nominee and will likely stay away from the polls in droves thus hurting the other Republican candidates for the House and Senate as well for state and local elections. Basically, 15% of the GOP primary voters will sit out the 2012 November election and this almost guarantees the re-election of Barack Obama. Why Don't I Really Care If the Democrats or Republicans Win in November? My answer is regardless of whether Romney or Obama wins the general election despite all the anti-Obama rhetoric by the Republican establishment, little will change on major issues. Romney's campaign promises are identical to all other presidential campaign promises, much to do about nothing. Neither Bush nor Obama kept their campaign promises and neither will Romney. Course of Action First, we redouble our efforts in voting and funding the Ron Paul Campaign up through the final primary and caucus. Second, in editorials, articles or discussions with the press or GOP leadership always emphasize your plans to stay at home on election day if a Ron or Rand Paul is not on the ticket. Third, at the Republican National Convention when the presidential nomination is handed to Romney, assuming he wins, we continue to stress "NO PAUL = NO VOTE IN NOVEMBER." Finally, we then wait at the convention for the personal phone call from Mitt Romney following private preliminary discussions where Rand Paul is asked to be the Vice Presidential candidate on a Romney/Paul ticket after assurances Ron Paul will be nominated for an appropriate cabinet level appointment such as Secretary of the Treasury or Defense. Ron Paul deserves some family time off following the years of campaigning and educating the American people about liberty. He has done more to advance the cause of limited government, peace, liberty and free markets than any American since the time of the American Revolution. Mitt Romney has spent the last seven years running for President of the United States so obviously he really wants to win. Romney and his advisors must know that without the 15% plus of GOP voters supporting Ron Paul who, unlike Gingrich and Santorum supporters, will sit the election out, he cannot defeat Barack Obama without our support. His only option is to put a "Paul" on the ticket. Although a Vice President Rand Paul is a great tactical victory, this is only a battle in a long war for the restoration of liberty and legitimate constitutional government to the United States. When I was a young man in the military during the 1970s, I well remember the antiwar crowds shouting "Hell, no, we won't go!" in opposition to the Vietnam War. Today, 40-plus years later, I'm a grandfather and maybe older and wiser but still willing to a little more respectfully tell the same power elites running this country and both political parties, "Hell, no, I won't go." But this time it is to the polls in November unless there is a Paul on the ticket. Will you join me?
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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)
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I saw polling that indicated 35% - 45% of RP supporters would support no one except RP, no matter what. But more than half might be amenable to another candidate in the general if they have any reason to support him. IOW, a GOP nominee would have to embrace at least a few of RP's policy ideas and, in some way, acknowledge the libertarian wing. We are talking about a few percent of the voters in any given state. But that can swing an election in a close state so I expect there will be some effort made to court the RP supporters.
But more than half might be amenable to another candidate in the general if they have any reason to support him. IOW, a GOP nominee would have to embrace at least a few of RP's policy ideas and, in some way, acknowledge the libertarian wing. We are talking about a few percent of the voters in any given state. But that can swing an election in a close state so I expect there will be some effort made to court the RP supporters. Interesting. speaking only for myself...... I am not a republican or a democrat..... In November, if Ron Paul is the GOP candidate for President, I will support and vote for him. If the GOP candidate is Gingrich, Santorum, or Romney, I will support and vote for Obama. i believe that the GOP will retain control of the house, and quite possibly will capture the senate. We as Americans should never allow one party to control the federal government ever again..... remember the bush administration.
Romney/Paul (Santorum) would be like a reverse Regan/Bush ticket. The rotten candidate is in the top slot. This is what the GOP does when they think that a conservative might win, put a real loser like McCain, or Romney, on top. They want to lose, rather than risk a pro-American candidate like Ron Paul winning. It's doubtful that even a Paul VP slot could make Romney look good enough to vote for.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
The VP position is irrelevant. and it always has been.
and it always has been. Yes that's true, but lots of retarded neocons thought they were voting Palin for president in '08. Paul supporters are not going to fall for that jive. McCain was supposed to die within a week of inauguration Jan 09. How come the bastid ain't dead?
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Except that isn't exactly true. Except for what 3 months or so. What did Bush do in the first 3 or 4 months that was objectinable?
and it always has been. What was Reagans biggest mistake? Oh yeah picking Bush for VP.
Yeah, I'm in that group. I don't GAS what elitist shit-bag they put up to run against oBUNGLER, because in every way that matters, they're all the same shit, different packaging. All the "electable" GOP candidates are as economically clueless as oBUNGLER, which means we're going to keep spiraling down the toilet, regarding the economy. It's a simple thing; the government either STOPS SPENDING, or it's "Game Over." The elitists want it to be game over for the USA, hence their pushing of policies specifically designed to crush America. And those same elitist own every one of the "electable" candidates, including oBUNGLER. We're having a sea-change. And the elitists DON'T want it. REAL Americans do. The only person who might be able to lead us through, is Ron Paul- so he gets MY vote, again. The rest of 'em aren't worth a SHIT.
To: mcToejam, rat-boy, drippy, Alzheimer Fred, whitesands, t-bird, I'm not a Paul or nothing guy. In fact, I'm not 100% sure I would vote for Rand. I just won't vote for a Republican liberal. If the GOP ever nominates a conservative, in foreign policy, fiscal policy, social policy, then I'll vote GOP. But not until they nominate a conservative. If Romney, Gingrich or Santorum is the nominee, I'll vote for the Constitution Party candidate.
Which just proves that you cultists are not interested in actually stopping the messiah "king" obammy from destroying the USA. What a bunch of F'ing snot nosed little tutu wearing spoiled little b!tches you are. AMERICA will be FU@KED right NOW, but you spoiled little b!tches will be able to say "I didn't vote for the man, I didn't compromise MY beliefs", which is really what this is all about. As far as I'm concerned F you all. YOU and people just like you will ensure that the messiah "king" obammy wins a second term. Yeah the system is rigged and corrupt, welcome to REALITY you simpering polly annish little b!tches. Do you REALLY think that your wee failed savior cult leader would be ANY F'ing different? LOL! Of course you do! You HOPE against ALL evidence the little FRAUD will be different. A DECADES long serving POLITICIAN who has NEVER DONE ANYTHING THAT HE CLAIMS TO BELIEVE IN before. You absurd clowns. You are cultist sheep. F you all.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
will ensure that the messiah "king" obammy wins a second term Yep you same retards who voted for the McCain loser to get Obama elected, will now vote for the Romney loser to get the magic kenyan elected again. You might as well admit that you love Oilbomber because he's just like Bush. Dang, you neocons are dumb!
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
It's Ron Paul or third party. I don't vote for war mongering, big government loving, leftist politicians, be they Republican or Democrat. Plus, I will not cast a vote for any politician that wants to further involve this country in the demonic power struggle between the Satan-controlled Islamic, Judaic, and Protestant Evangelical/Fundamentalist death cults. Blood and death is their holy sacrament not mine.
. WhatEVER you simpering cultist FRAUD FOOL.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
I objected to No Child Left Behind, more so to letting Teddy the Swimmer write the bill. Bush also enlarged the tradition we've developed of handing billions to a new president as mad money when they first take office, fundamentally a stupid and corrupt idea.
Stop teasing us! : )
IIRC, about 5 months in 2001, and 2003 - 2006 the gopers controlled all 3 branches
YOU and people just like you will ensure that the messiah "king" obammy wins a second term. You're the pawn here, the sheep to be sheared. Many rightfully observe that Romney is just a white Obama. He has the same fundamental ideas. But it is humorous to see you wailing and gnashing your teeth over the Paulian Horde refusing to join your little parade of midgets. BTW, posts like yours just give Paul supporters more reason not to vote for the GOP nominee. So if you don't want any of them to even bother considering a vote for Romney (or whoever), just keep it up.
I thought that came later. I don't remember anything to objectionable until after 911.
Bush campaigned on it and immediately gave it to Kennedy. It was S.R. 1 in 2001, the first bill submitted in the Senate. Wiki:
Except he was working out the logistics of another amnesty.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
How's that austerity thing working out in Greece? The elitists want it to be game over for the USA, hence their pushing of policies specifically designed to crush America. I imagine American elitists will do exactly what Greek elitists have done - pick up their marbles and remove themselves to a different location until all that belt tightening is done. Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson Now let's see if you can respond by actually forming an argument defending your position.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
How's that austerity thing working out in Greece? The debt is what got Greece where they are. Cutting the debt is the right answer. You don't expect improvement overnight do you?
Really? Greek debt ratio is 40% higher now with austerity measures and write-offs than it was to begin with. Compare that to Iceland.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Where is the citation?
How about you go and find a citation proving that austerity is working in Greece and my statement is wrong. Time to man-up Stone and do some research.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Very true. I've voted in 8 presidential elections -- 4 times for Republicans and 4 times for independent and third party candidates. This year I will be voting for an ex Republican governor -- either Gary Johnson or Buddy Roehmer. Not sure which one yet.
Here is a Cessna Citation for you as you usually wing it without citing a source yourself. The hot air from her engines have some metaphorical value in this idle bit of amusement at your expense too, of course.
Many rightfully observe that Romney is just a white Obama. He has the same fundamental ideas. But it is humorous to see you wailing and gnashing your teeth over the Paulian Horde refusing to join your little parade of midgets. BTW, posts like yours just give Paul supporters more reason not to vote for the GOP nominee. So if you don't want any of them to even bother considering a vote for Romney (or whoever), just keep it up. . Pi$$ off you supercilious poseur. The choice before us now is simple poseur, either we get the messiah "king" obammy and absolute disaster for the USA right NOW, or we get one of the repukelican'ts and absolute disaster for the USA in a while you mealy mouthed azzwipe. IF you had any EXPERIENCE in actual wound triage, you would understand what TRIAGE is FOOL. TRIAGE is where we are right NOW genius. YOU and the rest of these sheep are asleep. The USA won't be here when you awake, but YOU will have had a nice dream, and what happens to YOU as an individual is all that is important eh genius? Btw FOOL, do you suppose in that VAST mind of yours that I have persuasion in mind when I talk to these cultists FOOLS? LOL! Really? LOL! You really are a supercilious FOOL. Unlike azzwipes such as YOU FOOL, I don't even consider trying to convince anyone to vote any way, let alone MY way. Stating the OBJECTIVE TRUTH is all that I'm after FOOL. You and the rest of these cultist FOOLS can stick your votes up your azzes as far as I'm concerned. All I control is myself. Unlike mealy mouthed b!tches such as you, I don't NEED to believe that I have control over anyone else in any way. I'm NOT a GROUP, or a SPECIAL INTEREST, I'm a F'ing INDIVIDUAL; and I have never claimed to be anything else. So .......... ROTFLMAOAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stick it where the sun don't shine you stooooopid pedantic supercilious F' wad. YOU and the rest of these sheep are part of the problem not part of the solution. No matter what happens FOOL, I and mine will be just FINE without any help from FOOLS such as you. So .... PI$$ OFF! LOL!
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
isn't that an arctic flower that grows on whale dung? Just curious, mind you. ;-)
So you have no link just clap trap talk. This is all you need to know. Debt is bad and a having a surplus of money is good. They got into their mess because of debt not because of cut backs in services. If you think I'm wrong go max out all your credit cards.
isn't that an arctic flower that grows on whale dung? Just curious, mind you. ;-) It's actually a worldwide virus that infects decent people, and without treatment turns them into bureaucrats and statists, and then even worse, in it's terminal phase, into politicians and their credulous whores, TOOLS, and useful FOOLS.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
loonyming: How's that austerity thing working out in Greece? Stone: The debt is what got Greece where they are. Cutting the debt is the right answer. You don't expect improvement overnight do you? Aw, JEEZ... (((( slapping forehead with palm )))) For loonyming to even ask such a question, demonstrates an appalling lack of understanding. Somebody seriously needs to push her wheel-chair away from the TV playing MSNBC; get her out into the sunshine. Maybe Vitamin D will help her addled brain start functioning again...
To: mcToejam, rat-boy, drippy, Alzheimer Fred, whitesands, t-bird, Good answer. I was impressed you spelled poseur the correct way when many do not. The noun, le poseur comes from 'poser,' which is an infinitive French verb meaning to pose. Thanks.
You can triage yourself on my bozo list.
. Pi$$ off Mary.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
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Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Yeah, I'm tired of being exposed to your constant, dysfunctional idiocy too, so I'm also gonna put you on your chain, for now. Don't take this personally, but you're just plain stupid.
Mad dog, resident crazy, is back? Wanna' bet he's got those little specks of white foam, in the corners of his mouth...?
To: mcToejam, rat-boy, drippy, Alzheimer Fred, whitesands, t-bird, Oh yeah, why ever would I do that? LOL! But, I'm the stupid one eh? Is that what your cult teaches cult boy? (Nothing personal.) LMAO! I'm SO going to have that perfect river runner built! He offered me 10% off, and a free tunnel, a $700 value. I'll have to pick a tank and seating plan. I wonder if I can get her in haze gray? ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! F' you morons. I'm going fishing where none of your moron clan can reach. LOL! Fish ON!
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
. REALLY. What kind of PU$$Y puts a person on ignore and then talks about them? Ah yeah, that'd be an erica kind. LOL! Weak azzed wittle poooooooo$$$$y.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
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#2. To: TooConservative (#1)
I saw polling that indicated 35% - 45% of RP supporters would support no one except RP, no matter what.
#3. To: TooConservative (#1)
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#4. To: hondo68 (#3)
It's doubtful that even a Paul VP slot could make Romney look good enough to vote for.
#5. To: Jameson, *Yukon neo-Progressive Vermin* (#4)
The VP position is irrelevant.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#6. To: Jameson (#2)
We as Americans should never allow one party to control the federal government ever again..... remember the bush administration.
#7. To: Jameson (#4)
The VP position is irrelevant.
#8. To: TooConservative (#1)
I saw polling that indicated 35% - 45% of RP supporters would support no one except RP, no matter what.
loonymom, ming, e-type jackoff, goober56, wreck, cal-CON, rabid dog, dummy DwarF, biff, harrowup the communist, and meguro. You're on the "a waste of human flesh" list. Brian S[ocialist], you're a propagandist moron. ALL of you can piss off.
#9. To: hondo68 (#0)
#10. To: hondo68 (#0)
It is time for a groundswell of Ron Paul supporters to quietly, respectfully but firmly make their position clear to the mainstream media and the GOP establishment. Simply put, "No Paul on the ticket means no vote for the GOP in November."
#11. To: Mad Dog, *Yukon neo-Progressive Vermin* (#10)
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a bunch of F'ing snot nosed little tutu wearing spoiled little b!tches
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#12. To: hondo68 (#0)
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#13. To: hondo68 (#11)
#14. To: A K A Stone (#6)
What did Bush do in the first 3 or 4 months that was objectionable?
#15. To: hondo68 (#5)
McCain was supposed to die within a week of inauguration Jan 09.
#16. To: A K A Stone (#6)
3 months?
#17. To: Mad Dog (#10)
As far as I'm concerned F you all.
#18. To: TooConservative (#14)
#19. To: A K A Stone (#18)
It grew out of the Bush/Clinton Goals 2000 program which conservatives had defeated in the House before Bush was (s)elected. They also defeated Know Your Customer banking laws and National ID, all things that were brought back and rammed through during the panic following 9/11. This was a long-term goal of many in both parties and the permanent federal bureaucracy.
The legislation was proposed by President George W. Bush on January 23, 2001. It was coauthored by Representatives John Boehner (R-OH), George Miller (D-CA), and Senators Edward Kennedy (D-MA) and Judd Gregg (R-NH). The United States House of Representatives passed the bill on May 23, 2001 (voting 384–45),[6] and the United States Senate passed it on June 14, 2001 (voting 91–8).[7] President Bush signed it into law on January 8, 2002.
#20. To: A K A Stone (#18)
I thought that came later. I don't remember anything to objectionable until after 911.
#21. To: Capitalist Eric (#8)
It's a simple thing; the government either STOPS SPENDING, or it's "Game Over."
#22. To: lucysmom (#21)
It's a simple thing; the government either STOPS SPENDING, or it's "Game Over."
#23. To: A K A Stone (#22)
The debt is what got Greece where they are. Cutting the debt is the right answer.
#24. To: lucysmom (#23)
Really? Greek debt ratio is 40% higher now with austerity measures
#25. To: A K A Stone (#24)
Where is the citation?
#26. To: hondo68 (#0)
A lot of those voters are portable. They're not Republican – they're not dedicated Republican voters.
Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate
#27. To: A K A Stone (#24)
#28. To: TooConservative (#17)
You're the pawn here, the sheep to be sheared.
#29. To: Mad Dog (#28)
"supercilious poseur"
#30. To: lucysmom (#25)
How about you go and find a citation proving that austerity is working in Greece and my statement is wrong.
#31. To: Ferret Mike (#29)
"supercilious poseur"
#32. To: A K A Stone (#22)
ME: It's a simple thing; the government either STOPS SPENDING, or it's "Game Over."
loonymom, ming, e-type jackoff, goober56, wreck, cal-CON, rabid dog, dummy DwarF, biff, harrowup the communist, and meguro. You're on the "a waste of human flesh" list. Brian S[ocialist], you're a propagandist moron. ALL of you can piss off.
#33. To: Mad Dog (#31)
"It's actually a worldwide virus that infects decent people, and without treatment turns them into bureaucrats and statists, and then even worse, in it's terminal phase, into politicians and their credulous whores, TOOLS, and useful FOOLS."
#34. To: Mad Dog (#28)
IF you had any EXPERIENCE in actual wound triage, you would understand what TRIAGE is FOOL. TRIAGE is where we are right NOW genius.
#35. To: TooConservative (#34)
#36. To: Ferret Mike (#33)
#37. To: Mad Dog, TooConservative (#35)
#38. To: We The People, TooConservative (#37)
Don't take this personally, but you're just plain stupid.
loonymom, ming, e-type jackoff, goober56, wreck, cal-CON, rabid dog, dummy DwarF, biff, harrowup the communist, and meguro. You're on the "a waste of human flesh" list. Brian S[ocialist], you're a propagandist moron. ALL of you can piss off.
#39. To: We The People (#37)
Don't take this personally, but you're just plain stupid.
#40. To: Capitalist Eric (#38)
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