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Title: Dawkins Admits He Cannot Prove God Does Not Exist
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Published: Mar 5, 2012
Author: Giacomo
Post Date: 2012-03-05 13:55:53 by CZ82
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Dawkins Admits He Cannot Prove God Does Not Exist March 5, 2012 by Giacomo For centuries, people have claimed to be atheists because no one could prove to them that God exists. One of the most ardent members of that group has been British author Richard Dawkins. I’ve read and listened to Dawkins challenge believers to prove to him that God exists and that if they could he might believe in God. But in reality, the opposite is true. The onus is on people like Dawkins to prove there is no God and this is something he has finally realized he cannot do. With the realization that he cannot prove God does not exist, Dawkins shocked many throughout the world with his announcement that he is not an atheist after all, but rather he would classify himself as an agnostic. The definition of an agnostic is someone who believes that the existence of God is unknown and that human knowledge is limited to physical evidence plus things that can be experienced and this is where Dawkins find himself. However, many Christians, like evangelist and author Ray Comfort, challenge Dawkins statement about being an agnostic and that it has everything to do with evidence and proving that God does not exist. Rather, Comfort says that people like Dawkins are making a decision on the moral choice to deny the existence of God. If they acknowledged God in any form, they would have to realize that they would have a moral obligation to be responsible to Him. Comfort goes even further and describes Dawkins as not only being ignorant but of being an ignoramus. He explains, “Richard Dawkins is ignorant when it comes to the existence of God. However, it’s a willful ignorance. He has in the past stated that he believes that nothing created everything, which is a scientific impossibility. It’s not only impossible, it’s crazy to believe that. That’s why the Bible uses the word ‘fool’ to describe someone who says that God doesn’t exist. “Professing atheists will often slip into pleading ignorance, but that plea doesn’t solve their case, because they just move from being a ‘fool’ to being an ‘ignoramus.’ “The word ‘ignoramus’ is a legal term derived from a Latin word meaning ‘we do not know. An ignoramus is like a man who looks at a building and says that he ‘doesn’t know’ if a builder exists. Obviously, the building is proof that there was a builder, because buildings don’t build themselves. “The reason why anyone would be that ignorant is clear. It’s not a case of a lack of evidence. The problem with Professor Dawkins isn’t intellectual, but moral. He doesn’t want to admit that God exists, because if he does, he’s admitting that he’s morally responsible to Him.” I found the definition of agnostic interesting because it is not only based on physical evidence, but also relies on things that can be experienced. I don’t know about you, but I’ve experienced the presence of God numerous times in my life. I’ve witnessed things that defy all natural explanation and can only be explained by a God who watches over and gets involved in our lives. To be honest, I didn’t pick my wife some 42 years ago, but rather I can see where God caused a number of things to happen, that shouldn’t have happened, that led to us getting together. (Knowing that God picked her out for me also tells me that I have to do whatever it takes to make sure nothing happens to destroy our marriage.) Deep inside all of us we experience the presence of God as we were made in His image with an ingrained knowledge of him from the very beginning. One of my favorite examples of this was Helen Keller, who at the young age of 19 months developed a fever that left her blind and deaf. She was so young at the time that she had little memory of vision or hearing. She grew up in a black and soundless world without any communication with others, other than touch until Ann Sullivan found a way to communicate to her. In one of her letters, Helen told Bishop Brooks that she had always known about God, even before she had any words. Before she could call God anything, she knew God was there. She didn’t know what it was. God had no name for her — nothing had a name for her. She had no concept of a name. But in her darkness and isolation, she knew she was not alone. Someone was with her. She felt God’s love. And when she received the gift of language and heard about God, she said she already knew. If Richard Dawkins is correct, Helen Keller should never have been able to experience the presence of God, but she did because the knowledge of God is part of who we all are. Therefore, Ray Comfort is absolutely correct when he says that Dawkins and others are making a moral decision to deny the existence of God since they know that God exists in them and cannot prove to others that He doesn’t
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#1. To: CZ82 (#0)
AFIAK, he's also failed to prove that he's not an ape raised by British liberals. Is he paid in bananas?
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Likewise, it cannot be proven that Thor, the God of Thunder does not exist.
That is what i was going to say. You can't prove a negative..
Thor's a much cooler god anyway.
LOL! "The FOOL has said in his heart that there is no God." ONLY a FOOL would do so. FOOL! LOL!
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Yes you can.
So who then did make that "watch?"
Are you still pushing ropes? Isn't it easier to "pull" ropes unless you fully in control the environment holding the rope, the forces both magnitude and vectors beyond knowing what the fuck you are talking about?
Are you saying it can't be proven there is no santa clause. Hmm lightweight?
I can easily prove the existence of Santa. You can not. Do you wanna know why I can and you can't?
You can prove a negative. You saying you can't makes you a lightweight parrot.
Unlike you, you can't prove anything but falling off a roof-top and laid up for a week or two with the OUCHIES with your hard working wife nicely whispering in your ear ... "nice try CHAMP ... maybe, next time." And she abruptly left you with a hotspot of weak tea for your next climber position.
Mr. Natural Selection. :)
I really believe that people call themselves agnostic, because they are spiritual at some level- and some religious person has has inaccurately represented spirituality in a religion- sending them off to escape illogical ideas. Most agnostics are clearly intellectual humans. Of course he would have to admit that no one can prove that God does not exist. We can't prove that Santa doesn't exist.
Why must there be a creator?
Because "things" exist.
"The FOOL has said in his heart that there is no God." Yeah, yeah, god is great, god is good, YEA GOD
What if they have always existed?
Actually, neither proposition is provable. We live in the context of the universe in which we exist. We cannot possibly know what lies outside of the universe, how it started, or why it is here. Some of us have faith that there is something more to our existence than random biological processes. But we can't prove it. The atheists also cannot prove otherwise.
Didn't God say in the Bible that just looking at nature was enough to prove it?
The dozens of Hindu gods may have said something different. Karl Marx had a book too, which said something different as well. We believe in Jesus due to our faith. It is not probable or disprovable that our faith is wrong. It's our faith.
Everyone is given a measure of faith.
I am glad you said that. I am now sending funding to Harold Camping because of the repeated failures he has performed: Preacher Harold Camping's Family Radio International posted a special message on its website on Thursday with a lengthy explanation about the Day of Judgment, which is expected to last five months. That "Day of Judgment" began on May 21 -– the date Camping had predicted as the end of the world, the website said. But it is now expected to last through Oct. 21. "This is all describing a spiritual reality," the message states. God's elect are still physically wherever they happen to be in the world; but spiritually, He has gathered them all together by the act of saving them and brought them into His bed chamber----awaiting the very last day (October 21, 2011)." Camping has long predicted the apocalypse, including in 1994, but the May 21 date received unprecedented publicity thanks to a worldwide $100-million campaign of caravans and billboards, financed by the sale and swap of TV and radio stations. Tom Evans, who had acted as Camping's PR aide, said in May when the the day came and went without any cataclysmic events: "You can imagine we're pretty disappointed, but the word of God is still true. We obviously went too far, and that's something we need to learn from." Camping suffered a stroke in June and remained hospitalized for months. But he is now back on the radio. I figure, I can help him with his message.
Yes, but the question is whether they use the faith that they have or not. Being a Christian is all about believing that Jesus was the son of god. Too many people have hardened their hearts to this for a lot of no good reasons.
god is great, god is good, YEA GOD Spoken as the true fool that we all know you to be. FOOL.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Being a Christian is all about knowing that Jesus IS the son of GOD. There. FIXED it for ya.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
And judging by you, swearing like a drunk sailor and being an absolute asshole (except on Sunday of course).
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so! (Boris Y) "I'd vote for obama" (Mad Dog, Paul voter) IF RonniePAULIE runs as a repukelican't, (OR even as a demonRAT), against the messiah "king" obammy; I'd vote FOR him.
Say a prayer to Allah for my heathen ass then and save me.
Do you have any evidence that they always existed?
Do you know it hasn't?
MD- Jesus is alive. :)
boy; And judging by you, swearing like a drunk sailor and being an absolute asshole (except on Sunday of course). You really are stoooooopid as a fence post aren't you woody boy? Lets recap woody boy, a mere man, a sinner, knows what Christianity IS and so a God hating fool such as you wants to judge my putative "level" of Christianity, AND then to judge Christianity on it's LEAST and most flawed member, (me)? LOL! What a F' ing FOOL you are woody! Pretty typical thought process for a libTURD loser such as YOU little boy. A admitted BAD individual, (ME), claims to be a Christian; so then God hating FOOLS such as you TRY to make THAT CHRISTIANITY'S fault or problem? LOL! That's what you libTURD scum do isn't it woody boy? You TRY to kill the TRUTH by attacking those who present it, eh loser? Too bad for FOOLS such as you woody boy that the TRUTH is the TRUTH no matter who states it. But if SATAN himself speaks the actual TRUTH it is still the TRUTH you gibbering FOOL. Where did I ever claim to be a GOOD Christian you gibbering piece of sh!t? I'm a SINNER, my sins are CRIMSON, I have broken EVERY COMMANDMENT, I have KILLED, I have MURDERED (in the name of my nation), and MORE. Yep I'm a SINNER ASSHOLE, EVERY day, including Sundays woody boy. By MY SINS I am DOOMED, save for the MERCY and sacrifice for ME of the one true GOD. But even I can HOPE for salvation through OUR Lord's sacrifice for us ALL. I represent only myself. BUT that does not change the TRUTH fool, Being a Christian is all about knowing that Jesus IS the son of GOD. If I was YOU little boy I'd be way more worried about my own sins and destination. But, thank the Lord I'm not anybody but myself. Don't like that little boy? Here's 50 cents little boy, call somebody that cares.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Unlike little punk posers such as you calfag, I do what I say I believe. I pray for you, and all like you, every day calfag. But I sure can't make the Lord do anything, all I can do is ask. It is important to remember that NO is an answer also. Maybe the Lord will give you time, maybe not? That's actually kind of YOUR problem FOOL. Although I am hopeful for your development into a sane adult. Of course I'm a Cubbies fan too.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Saint Paul said that without the living GOD, Christians would ALL be FOOLS, or worse. JESUS IS. Otherwise there really is NO such thing as "Christianity". JESUS IS.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Your questions prompt me to ask if you believe something came from nothing? Also, is the universe ordered or chaotic?
I'm really sorry to see that your syphilis is destroying the few brain cells you have left.
No that is why I posited that there was no beginning.
I have seen Jesus, MD. You are right. He is alive. Take heart. He really is everything He said He was. All of the promises of the Bible are for the faithful. Be good and keep faith. peace.
It is governed by the laws of physics so in one sense it is ordered. That doesn't mean that there must be something to supernatural that makes it ordered.
Governed implies a Governor.
You know calFAG I'd really laugh at you for being such a stoooopid azzwipe, but even though I find you to be personally repellant, I would never wish anyone, (even you), to go where you are going unless you wise up. Maybe you'll get the time in which to do that, and maybe you won't? Many do not get that extra time. Look around at your DEAD friends fool. "You're NEVER too old to rock n roll and you're NEVER too young to DIE." Fool.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
I believe assclown, it's just that I believe in Thor, the God of Thunder. He is the son of Odin the ruler of Asgard(heaven). I read my Marvel comics each night to worship him. My god is so way cooler then yours.
. Through the grace and mercy of OUR Lord, I know that. I was an absolute fool in my youth. I certainly do not deserve any mercy, the responsibility and actions were entirely mine. But HE gave me time, AND the "instruction", and MERCY. By doing so HE proves how good HE is, not how "worthy" I am. The god haters cannot, will not ever understand that. But there it is.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
I read my Marvel comics each night to worship him. My god is so way cooler then yours. What cracks me up calFAG is how you seem to think that I care what you believe? The great commission only requires the availability of salvation be presented to the heathens and fools. I KNOW what the darkness holds FOOL. You will whine and cry in dripping fear, alone. What makes you think that matters to me FOOL? (btw FOOL what kind of "god" cannot even repair a bridge?)
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
No not necessarily..
Yes it does. You said we are governed by physical laws. If that is the case who is the lawgiver? To say we have no lawgiver to these laws of nature, that would be saying all has come about impersonally by chance. Even if you argue things have "always been there without beginning" it had to happen either by an unmoved mover or by chance.
New International Version (©1984) For you, O God, tested us; you refined us like silver. New Living Translation (©2007) You have tested us, O God; you have purified us like silver Praise God, Md. :) We are all works in progress. We have to each keep striving to be more like Christ- everyday . Don't stop. I won't either. The word says we will all be tested by fire. I know that is true. I came through some stuff too, MD. I feel you. That is the good news, for others to get their head around- God wants to save us so much that He sent his only son- to do what we could not do on our own- FIND HIM and be loved and purified according to His will. That's cool. My will isn't so smart. ;) Gets things messed up most times. And anyone can be saved, because our Lord is so very merciful and so good. No matter what foolishness they have been involved with. Those who have been forgiven much - love much. :)
I think you're being a little hard on yourself.
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so! (Boris Y) "I'd vote for obama" (Mad Dog, Paul voter) IF RonniePAULIE runs as a repukelican't, (OR even as a demonRAT), against the messiah "king" obammy; I'd vote FOR him.
LOL! Well done woody boy! (When thought to be a fool it is best to remain silent so as not to prove it!) Fish in a BARREL woody! But good point, and I'd be happy to discuss it with you. If I only thought that you were an intellectually honest person. Which I do NOT. I rode my wheeler a few miles out the unplowed subdivision roads to plow a friend who lives in the back out from about 2 feet of days old powder. Even with my plow full up I was still busting powder. I was like a tin can jumping to station with a wake and tail! I spooked two moose about half way out and I was worried that they'd turn on back on me since this year's snow has them exhausted and grumpy, but I lucked out and they went off down the only side road. As I got to my brother's I saw two more moose bedded down right in the road right in the cul d sac where the road ended. Less than a half block from my bro's. I turned off, and plowed out his driveway and most of his cul d sac. Then I tossed powder all of the way back home. It was overcast but not snowing. The puppies hadn't sh!t in their enclosure and the hot grips worked rad. Now we're gonna get er back to the high cube for storage. So I'm drying out and making some coffee. Alaskan spuds boiling, radio on. Puppies snoring. Company inbound. What's YOUR life like azzhole? I hope it's GREAT! No sh!t.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Exactly..
As if the confused postings of a degenerate bible thumper are of interest to me.
I hope it's GREAT! No sh!t. If it was any better, it would probably be illegal.
Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so! (Boris Y) "I'd vote for obama" (Mad Dog, Paul voter) IF RonniePAULIE runs as a repukelican't, (OR even as a demonRAT), against the messiah "king" obammy; I'd vote FOR him.
Exactly.. You do realize that one of the overarching basic LAWS of Nature, the second LAW of thermodynamics, is ENTROPY right? You do realize that all living being live in at least 4 dimensions do you not? Ergo TIME is a river in which we ALL swim. You do understand the use of the basic rules of classical rigorous LOGIC don't you? You do realize by the same LAWS that you CLAIM to believe in that what you CLAIM to believe in is absurd? If I leave a pile of rust for an infinite time, at no time will that rust become a Chevy. Explain exactly how an EYE is generated out of chaos by pure chance. Don't just try to say it's obvious upon inspection PROVE it. You cannot. It comes down to this; there is ORDER everywhere in the known perceived universe. If you go infinitely small or infinitely large, there is order. This order is scalable and consistent. Thus, you CLAIM ORDER comes naturally, and spontaneously, from infinite CHAOS given infinite TIME. This cannot be, from the rules/LAWS of nature that you CLAIM to believe in. Given the LAWS of nature that you CLAIM to believe in, ORDER cannot just "fall out of" CHAOS. How you handle THAT OBJECTIVE TRUTH is your problem. So called LOGIC would suggest a potter where a pot is found, let alone in a kilned pottery. But, "It just happened" won't EVEN wash.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Ergo, it MUST be; eh woody? LOL! BZ!
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
. Here calfag, let me talk at chu in Kalipornian, maybe dat'll werk? "WhatEVER." Fool.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
"WhatEVER." Fool. Man that syphilis is playing hell with your spelling, whiny pup.
.. Here calfag, let me talk at chu in Kalipornian, maybe dat'll werk? "WhatEVER." Fool.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
If there is no God, then all that exists is time and chance acting on matter. If this is true then the difference between your thoughts and mine correspond to the difference between shaking up a bottle of Mountain Dew and a bottle of Dr. Pepper. You simply fizz atheistically and I fizz theistically. This means that you do not hold to atheism because it is true , but rather because of a series of chemical reactions… … Morality, tragedy, and sorrow are equally evanescent. They are all empty sensations created by the chemical reactions of the brain, in turn created by too much pizza the night before. If there is no God, then all abstractions are chemical epiphenomena, like swamp gas over fetid water. This means that we have no reason for assigning truth and falsity to the chemical fizz we call reasoning or right and wrong to the irrational reaction we call morality. If no God, mankind is a set of bi-pedal carbon units of mostly water. And nothing else.
As an alaskan welfare queen, i'm sure you're unfamiliar with the correct spelling but it's "WORK".
LOL! Faggot pleeeeeeeeeease .... LMAO!, you don't even know what WORK is. I bet that you haven't ever even had an actual WORKING job. Although I'm sure you are conversant in the Kalipornian patois, as you just demonstrated, FOOL. But what more could you really expect from a simpering snot nosed little calFAG punk fairy? To paraphrase; "the punk that is a FOOL is a FOOL in ALL." LOL! Tu madre punta.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Please explain how this is so?
I am not a physicist or cosmologist, so ask one. But explain to me how if God is all knowing and can know the future, how can humans have free will if human actions can affect the future?
This cannot be, from the rules/LAWS of nature that you CLAIM to believe in. Given the LAWS of nature that you CLAIM to believe in, ORDER cannot just "fall out of" CHAOS. The postmodern worldviews can all be found in a "bong."
http://2ndlaw.oxy.edu/evolution.html There are millions of compounds that have less energy in them than the elements of which they are composed. That sentence is a quiet bombshell. It means that the second law energetically FAVORS — yes, predicts firmly — the spontaneous formation of complex, geometrically ordered molecules from utterly simple atoms of elements. Popular statements such as "the second law says that all systems fundamentally tend toward disorder and randomness" are wrong when they refer to chemistry, and chemistry precisely deals with the structure and behavior of all types of matter. To summarize this important conclusion that is known by very few who are not chemists: Energetically, the second law of thermodynamics favors the formation of the majority of all known complex and ordered chemical compounds directly from their simpler elements. Thus, contrary to popular opinion, the second law does not dictate the decrease of ordered structure by its predictions. It only demands a "spreading out" of energy when such ordered compounds are formed spontaneously. Also, to repeat a caution: The foregoing only describes energetic relationships involving the second law. It does not mean that most complex substances can be readily synthesized just by mixing elements and treating them in some way. The second law has nothing to do with pathways or procedures of synthesis – only with energy and its tendency to spread out/disperse.
But explain to me how if God is all knowing and can know the future, how can humans have free will if human actions can affect the future? The answers you seek are in God's Holy Word the Bible. Here is a just a preview, as you go on line and buy a Bible: From Job 38-40 (I presume you will actually read this, right?):NKJV Job 38: 1 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said: 2 "Who is this who darkens counsel By words without knowledge? 3 Now prepare yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer Me. 4 "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. 5 Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? 6 To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, 7 When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? 8 "Or who shut in the sea with doors, When it burst forth and issued from the womb; 9 When I made the clouds its garment, And thick darkness its swaddling band; 10 When I fixed My limit for it, And set bars and doors; 11 When I said, 'This far you may come, but no farther, And here your proud waves must stop!' 12 "Have you commanded the morning since your days began, And caused the dawn to know its place, 13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, And the wicked be shaken out of it? 14 It takes on form like clay under a seal, And stands out like a garment. 15 From the wicked their light is withheld, And the upraised arm is broken. 16 "Have you entered the springs of the sea? Or have you walked in search of the depths? 17 Have the gates of death been revealed to you? Or have you seen the doors of the shadow of death? 18 Have you comprehended the breadth of the earth? Tell Me, if you know all this. 19 "Where is the way to the dwelling of light? And darkness, where is its place, 20 That you may take it to its territory, That you may know the paths to its home? 21 Do you know it, because you were born then, Or because the number of your days is great? 22 "Have you entered the treasury of snow, Or have you seen the treasury of hail, 23 Which I have reserved for the time of trouble, For the day of battle and war? 24 By what way is light diffused, Or the east wind scattered over the earth? 25 "Who has divided a channel for the overflowing water, Or a path for the thunderbolt, 26 To cause it to rain on a land where there is no one, A wilderness in which there is no man; 27 To satisfy the desolate waste, And cause to spring forth the growth of tender grass? 28 Has the rain a father? Or who has begotten the drops of dew? 29 From whose womb comes the ice? And the frost of heaven, who gives it birth? 30 The waters harden like stone, And the surface of the deep is frozen. 31 "Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades, Or loose the belt of Orion? 32 Can you bring out Mazzaroth in its season? Or can you guide the Great Bear with its cubs? 33 Do you know the ordinances of the heavens? Can you set their dominion over the earth? 34 "Can you lift up your voice to the clouds, That an abundance of water may cover you? 35 Can you send out lightnings, that they may go, And say to you, 'Here we are!'? 36 Who has put wisdom in the mind? Or who has given understanding to the heart? 37 Who can number the clouds by wisdom? Or who can pour out the bottles of heaven, 38 When the dust hardens in clumps, And the clods cling together? 39 "Can you hunt the prey for the lion, Or satisfy the appetite of the young lions, 40 When they crouch in their dens, Or lurk in their lairs to lie in wait? 41 Who provides food for the raven, When its young ones cry to God, And wander about for lack of food? Job 39: 1 "Do you know the time when the wild mountain goats bear young? Or can you mark when the deer gives birth? 2 Can you number the months that they fulfill? Or do you know the time when they bear young? 3 They bow down, They bring forth their young, They deliver their offspring. 4 Their young ones are healthy, They grow strong with grain; They depart and do not return to them. 5 "Who set the wild donkey free? Who loosed the bonds of the onager, 6 Whose home I have made the wilderness, And the barren land his dwelling? 7 He scorns the tumult of the city; He does not heed the shouts of the driver. 8 The range of the mountains is his pasture, And he searches after every green thing. 9 "Will the wild ox be willing to serve you? Will he bed by your manger? 10 Can you bind the wild ox in the furrow with ropes? Or will he plow the valleys behind you? 11 Will you trust him because his strength is great? Or will you leave your labor to him? 12 Will you trust him to bring home your grain, And gather it to your threshing floor? 13 "The wings of the ostrich wave proudly, But are her wings and pinions like the kindly stork's? 14 For she leaves her eggs on the ground, And warms them in the dust; 15 She forgets that a foot may crush them, Or that a wild beast may break them. 16 She treats her young harshly, as though they were not hers; Her labor is in vain, without concern, 17 Because God deprived her of wisdom, And did not endow her with understanding. 18 When she lifts herself on high, She scorns the horse and its rider. 19 "Have you given the horse strength? Have you clothed his neck with thunder? 20 Can you frighten him like a locust? His majestic snorting strikes terror. 21 He paws in the valley, and rejoices in his strength; He gallops into the clash of arms. 22 He mocks at fear, and is not frightened; Nor does he turn back from the sword. 23 The quiver rattles against him, The glittering spear and javelin. 24 He devours the distance with fierceness and rage; Nor does he come to a halt because the trumpet has sounded. 25 At the blast of the trumpet he says, 'Aha!' He smells the battle from afar, The thunder of captains and shouting. 26 "Does the hawk fly by your wisdom, And spread its wings toward the south? 27 Does the eagle mount up at your command, And make its nest on high? 28 On the rocks it dwells and resides, On the crag of the rock and the stronghold. 29 From there it spies out the prey; Its eyes observe from afar. 30 Its young ones suck up blood; And where the slain are, there it is." Job 40: 1 Moreover the Lord answered Job, and said: 2 "Shall the one who contends with the Almighty correct Him? He who rebukes God, let him answer it." 3 Then Job answered the Lord and said: 4 "Behold, I am vile; What shall I answer You? I lay my hand over my mouth. 5 Once I have spoken, but I will not answer; Yes, twice, but I will proceed no further." 6 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said: 7 "Now prepare yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer Me: 8 "Would you indeed annul My judgment? Would you condemn Me that you may be justified? 9 Have you an arm like God? Or can you thunder with a voice like His? 10 Then adorn yourself with majesty and splendor, And array yourself with glory and beauty. 11 Disperse the rage of your wrath; Look on everyone who is proud, and humble him. 12 Look on everyone who is proud, and bring him low; Tread down the wicked in their place. 13 Hide them in the dust together, Bind their faces in hidden darkness. 14 Then I will also confess to you That your own right hand can save you. 15 "Look now at the behemoth, which I made along with you; He eats grass like an ox. 16 See now, his strength is in his hips, And his power is in his stomach muscles. 17 He moves his tail like a cedar; The sinews of his thighs are tightly knit. 18 His bones are like beams of bronze, His ribs like bars of iron. 19 He is the first of the ways of God; Only He who made him can bring near His sword. 20 Surely the mountains yield food for him, And all the beasts of the field play there. 21 He lies under the lotus trees, In a covert of reeds and marsh. 22 The lotus trees cover him with their shade; The willows by the brook surround him. 23 Indeed the river may rage, Yet he is not disturbed; He is confident, though the Jordan gushes into his mouth, 24 Though he takes it in his eyes, Or one pierces his nose with a snare.
but at least i can spell it, simpleton
To summarize this important conclusion that is known by very few who are not chemists: Energetically, the second law of thermodynamics favors the formation of the majority of all known complex and ordered chemical compounds directly from their simpler elements. Thus, contrary to popular opinion, the second law does not dictate the decrease of ordered structure by its predictions. It only demands a "spreading out" of energy when such ordered compounds are formed spontaneously. Also, to repeat a caution: The foregoing only describes energetic relationships involving the second law. It does not mean that most complex substances can be readily synthesized just by mixing elements and treating them in some way. The second law has nothing to do with pathways or procedures of synthesis – only with energy and its tendency to spread out/disperse. You make a great point that chemistry and physics do not agree on this. And further arguments would be made from a biologist. "It only demands a "spreading out" of energy when such ordered compounds are formed spontaneously." And that little statement makes the entire point you are making invalid.
I don't understand the gobbledygook. Just explain it to me in your own words.
And that little statement makes the entire point you are making invalid. Why?
Here is another argument by a physicist: http://www.dctech.com/physics/features/old/evolution.php
Seems pretty straight shooting. Give it a whirl.
Why? Because your point was something can happen "spontaneously." Which means it should be spontaneous and not rely on a demand. If "it only demands a 'spreading out' of energy" then it is no longer spontaneous. There is now some order to it.
I don't understand it. If it is straightforward then explain it me.
But spreading out of energy can happen spontaneously.
What is there to explain. God is telling Job a human, how could he know of the Great Creation, since Job was a creation. You are being dishonest. What I posted from Job is in the English language. You are either unwilling to read it or don't care to read it. It is there. I entertained your scientific jargon which revealed a contradiction. At least do me the courtesy of reading my posts.
Sometimes, always or never?
That's not an answer. Explain it to me.
Always
This cannot be, from the rules/LAWS of nature that you CLAIM to believe in. Given the LAWS of nature that you CLAIM to believe in, ORDER cannot just "fall out of" CHAOS. The postmodern worldviews can all be found in a "bong." LOL! But even the stoners I know mostly admit that there is more to existence than mere finite man can see let alone understand. I believe that these people are lying to themselves on purpose because they don't want there to be a God. I don't even pretend to know why.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Bullsh!t. NEW compounds form for sure, LOWER more simple molecules, ie. oxidation products such as RUST result over time. ENTROPY means that things FALL APART over time. It means that EVERY PHYSICAL THING falls apart given enough TIME. EVERYTHING. BUT germaine to THIS conversation, Chevys don't fall out of RUST. EVER. Dude this is BASIC physics. Get a clue.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
. LOL! You really ought to quit before you embarrass yourself any more FOOL. Personally I like it when you prove what a FOOL you are. But, ... "whatEVER chongo." LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
. btw faggot, I see that you don't even TRY to argue with me about YOU having ever WORKED a F' ing day in your little snot nosed faggot life. You are a limp wristed PUSSY. But at least you are smart enough not to try to lie about having worked at actual WORKING jobs. Because a faggot like you just couldn't pull off such a radical LIE. Now if we wanted to talk about feminine products, or mini skirts, or Justine Berber's hair cut, ... whatever ... you'd be our "man" eh faggot? LMAO!
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
My, My, you sure seem upset little man. I'm betting your holding your breath and stamping your feet right now.
Cite a physicist who agrees with you.
I believe that these people are lying to themselves on purpose because they don't want there to be a God. I don't even pretend to know why. They do not want to the Light to shine on their sin and wickedness. Shows that deep down they still have a conscience. Most of the anti God philosphers from the 19th century died miserably knowing their conscience was not satisfied, they knew their sin and because they spent their lives hand waving no Diety or moral absolutes they could not bring themselves to godly sorrow and repentance. This is called vanity and arrogance as you know. Which means they could not bring themselves to submit to God's authority and plan of Salvation.
LOL! Your IGNORANCE is legion! It's BASIC F'ing high school physics that ENTROPY means that ALL things breakdown over time. For supposedly believing in the LAWS of physics you sure don't know squat about what ENTROPY even means. What do you think "spreading out of energy" means genius? This isn't even debatable. ENTROPY means that ALL things breakdown/fall apart given enough TIME.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
I believe that these people are lying to themselves on purpose because they don't want there to be a God. I don't even pretend to know why. They do not want to the Light to shine on their sin and wickedness. Shows that deep down they still have a conscience. Most of the anti God philosphers from the 19th century died miserably knowing their conscience was not satisfied, they knew their sin and because they spent their lives hand waving no Diety or moral absolutes they could not bring themselves to godly sorrow and repentance. This is called vanity and arrogance as you know. Which means they could not bring themselves to submit to God's authority and plan of Salvation. You are likely correct, but I admit that it still confuses me. IF you believe in GOD you have to believe in SATAN and we all know what ends up happening to him and his in the fullness of time. I LOVE seeing "satanist" kids in malls and such, I ALWAYS walk up and engage them in talking about SATAN. Usually satan is kewl, and worshipping him really pi$$e$ their parents and geezers off. In the end I always say laughing, well I see your point, but if heaven and hell are real as satan is, then you already KNOW where you are going for sure forever if you follow him. Then I walk away laughing, (hoping that that worm will work it's way through their skulls full of mush). You can lead them to water but ...
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
LOL! Faggot why do you even talk to me? I told you already the 'ol DOG don't swing that way. You try to pick a fight then you run. LOL! What a powerless little insect you are calFAG.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
IF you believe in GOD you have to believe in SATAN and we all know what ends up happening to him and his in the fullness of time. I see your point. You are well aware of the conflict because you know the Lord. We may not understand "why" they act the way they do NOW, but at one point we were all lost. Ephesians chapter 2 explains it well: 1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others. 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.(NKJV) Those who are not alive in Christ need our compassion and prayers. 15-20 years ago, you could share the above verses with a non-believer and they would "rap" with you about it. This current postmodern generation can't get past Genesis 1:1. The postmodern man and woman seek the elusive worldly "happiness" and shut out the Joy in Christ. In order to chase this worldly "happiness" they stuff their lives with the things of the world to satisfy lust, pride, vanity, arrogance and comfort. JP Moreland, a Christian philosopher, tells us that man was built for "drama." In the postmodern age, the drama is fed with worldly things (gossip, social media, reality TV, self improvement schemes, etc). As Christians, the Lord fills us with a different drama focused on Him and doing His Will for the Kingdom of God. I heard one Christian call this muscular Christianity---Working for the King of kings in every aspect of our lives.
. Point taken. I can never think of myself as "saved" or of "knowing the Lord" since I'm still such a sinner. I understand that salvation is a GIFT that has nothing to do with deserving it. But the admonition to "go and sin no more" is a problem for a weak old man such as me. Nonetheless I have seen a great increase in hostility to people of faith in this nation. It's been the kulture of death's goal to do this, and they have succeeded in no small part. However, if you can engage the non believers, the same questions that have bothered humanity for all time still bother them. The Lord never closes a door without opening a window. Where the church is most oppressed is where it flowers the most. GOD IS. NOTHING can change that. Where do you go when you have faced the abyss? When the abyss has faced you back? There is a hole in every human that only GOD can fill. Every human longs for the Lord. But some quit listening to HIM and so HE quits talking. When I was a kid in San Francisco taking the same Muni bus to school every day meant that every day I would see this little "old", (to me anyhow), lady walk down the bus aisle asking every passenger as she passed, "have you spoken to the Lord today?" I remember being embarrassed for her and by her brave testimony for the Lord. Now I am ashamed I ever felt that way, (I was just a jr hs kid at the time). I can still see her beautiful nut brown face and it's expression of peace and security even now. That lady was SO brave, she knew the Lord for sure. It helps me understand how we develop our faith as life goes on. btw; I don't buy this myth of Christians having to be metro sexual drones and limp wristed PC sissies. The time is past where we were to sell our garments and buy our swords. Too long have Christians allowed heathens and worse to define us. I won't have it. I remember that little lady slowly walking down the bus aisle doing this almost every day for years. I imagine that she wouldn't have it either.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Would you like to discuss this further?
I was asking you to cite a physicist who thinks that evolution is inconsistent with the laws of physics.
My mistake. I ask physicists questions about physics not theology or biology. I'm funny that way. Silly old me, we learned before junior high school was done that it is a logical impossibility to PROVE a negative. ENTROPY means that ALL things fall apart given enough time. It means that physical things NATURALLY move towards maximum entropy over time, towards CHAOS. MANY physicists agree that complex structures CANNOT evolve out of CHAOS over time BECAUSE of the tendency of ALL things to move towards DISORDER not ORDER. You want a name? Look em up yourself. You can't have it both ways. SCIENCE either matters or it does NOT, and SCIENCE says that complex ORDER cannot/does NOT fall naturally over time out of disorder or chaos. This includes macro-eveolution. In fact, I find it really interesting that you church of evolution people NEVER mention that Darwin's Origin of Species in fact states his own DISBELIEF in MACRO-evolution. Darwin believed in micro-evolution which he believed that he was able to observe. My only point is that so called macro "evolution" is NOT science based, in fact it is impossible to be "scientific" since it violates basic, known, LAWS of physics. If you like or agree with that, it is of no importance to me. It's established SCIENCE. I wish you and yours the best.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
I can never think of myself as "saved" or of "knowing the Lord" since I'm still such a sinner. I understand that salvation is a GIFT that has nothing to do with deserving it. But the admonition to "go and sin no more" is a problem for a weak old man such as me. Would you like to discuss this further? Thank you for the offer, but I don't think that just talking will get it done. I understand that you have to release your own guilt and not use it as an idol. It turns out that it's way more simple to forgive strangers than it is to forgive yourself. I'll just keep praying on it, and trust the Lord. "If you ask your FATHER for a loaf of bread would he give you a stone?" (The answer is NO btw.)
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
You want a name? Look em up yourself. You made the claim so you need to back it up . SCIENCE either matters or it does NOT, and SCIENCE says that complex ORDER cannot/does NOT fall naturally over time out of disorder or chaos. This includes macro-eveolution. Science is practiced by scientists and I am waiting for you to find one who agree with your opinion since its obvious you aren't an expert on the matter.
I appreciate your respect. Same to you although I am little surprised to see it.
. LOL! I assure you, you will keep waiting. I don't do remedial Physics. All you are doing is evading the argument by clumsy temporizing. It's way more than kind of weak.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
I appreciate your respect. Same to you although I am little surprised to see it. . Why? Does it REALLY matter to you what I believe? Do you really think that I care what you believe? Neither of us really matter to each other do we? LOL!
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Would you like to discuss this further? Thank you for the offer, but I don't think that just talking will get it done. I understand that you have to release your own guilt and not use it as an idol. It turns out that it's way more simple to forgive strangers than it is to forgive yourself. I'll just keep praying on it, and trust the Lord. "If you ask your FATHER for a loaf of bread would he give you a stone?" (The answer is NO btw.) Understand. It is clear to me you know the Gospel and how to "get right" with God. You have my earnest prayers as you continue to seek The Lord. In my own experience, I found that I had to seek God's forgiveness before I could be at peace with myself. Having peace with God through His Son, freed me and by His Grace put me at peace with fellow mankind. In Revelation Christ is referred to as Faithful and True. He was certainly Faithful and True to change my life with putting Him as the focus. I would be dishonest in telling you it has been an "easy" ride, it has not, but the comfort of knowing that He walks with me daily gets you through the rough spots. I have a close family member that for years wanted to "clean up" his life before he surrendered himself to God's Grace. No way could he go before the King of kings and Lord of lords still in a state of "practicing sin." He could in his estimate never get there. At the age of 83 and after an accident he saw that he had to surrender to Christ and trust Him to make him a new creature. I have seen the change in this close relative. He knows he is forgiven, for he trusts in the Power of Christ to save and heal his life. He also knows the bridges he burned and wrongs he did to others through his journey on earth won't be made "all better" overnight...the sin is forgiven, but the earthly consequences of our past "actions" will still leave some scars with fellow man. But now with Christ in his life, making that peace with others and seeking their forgiveness, and forgiving, is the quality we have as the new creature only God can make. God Bless
. Thank you for your kind words. Some sinners like me get the life time to understand how wrong we have been, many do not. Some of us end up facing the abyss, and when it faces us back, we come to understand that without OUR Lord, we are truly alone. I know, (from experience), OUR Lord is the ONLY "thing" you can really count on in this life. If I could go back and UN-sin I would. But what is IS. I have no fear. HE is infinitely GOOD. I trust HIM.
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Some of us end up facing the abyss, and when it faces us back, we come to understand that without OUR Lord, we are truly alone. So you've lived your life as a useless douchebag and now that you're getting ready to die you've found god. Typical of you bible thumpers, scared shitless your "douchebaggery" is going to land you in hell. Your god would have to be a moron to fall for that scam. Get your spf 10billion ready, you're gonna need it.
Typical of you bible thumpers, scared shitless your "douchebaggery" is going to land you in hell. Your god would have to be a moron to fall for that scam. Get your spf 10billion ready, you're gonna need it. LOL! Feel DE LOVE! It deeply touches me how humane and kind and loving you are inside calFAG! Really it does. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!! I would expect nothing more from an infamous known piece of sh!t fraud such as you calFAG. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks SO much for "sharing" calFAG! LMAO! Have a NICE day calFAG! LOL!
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Former Pastor Chuck Baldwin was on Alex Jones today,discussing the Treason of Panetta and Obama,..and the other Magi of the Senior US military that bows to the UN. The US military is falling away.....more and more give lip service to the Constitution, The Church of 1775 would have rebelled on Obama.....maybe even Bush after the lies of Iraq and A Stan were exposed.
. WTF has any of that to do with calFAG's post? We are awash in cowards and fools like him. How's Canukistan draft dodger?
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
Nonetheless I have seen a great increase in hostility to people of faith in this nation. It's been the kulture of death's goal to do this, and they have succeeded in no small part. However, if you can engage the non believers, the same questions that have bothered humanity for all time still bother them. The Lord never closes a door without opening a window. Where the church is most oppressed is where it flowers the most. GOD IS. NOTHING can change that. Where do you go when you have faced the abyss? When the abyss has faced you back? There is a hole in every human that only GOD can fill. Every human longs for the Lord. But some quit listening to HIM and so HE quits talking. When I was a kid in San Francisco taking the same Muni bus to school every day meant that every day I would see this little "old", (to me anyhow), lady walk down the bus aisle asking every passenger as she passed, "have you spoken to the Lord today?" I remember being embarrassed for her and by her brave testimony for the Lord. Now I am ashamed I ever felt that way, (I was just a jr hs kid at the time). I can still see her beautiful nut brown face and it's expression of peace and security even now. That lady was SO brave, she knew the Lord for sure. It helps me understand how we develop our faith as life goes on. btw; I don't buy this myth of Christians having to be metro sexual drones and limp wristed PC sissies. The time is past where we were to sell our garments and buy our swords. Too long have Christians allowed heathens and worse to define us. I won't have it. I remember that little lady slowly walking down the bus aisle doing this almost every day for years. I imagine that she wouldn't have it either. Great story about the old lady and your own testimony, Dawg. We're ALL sinners, pal. At the moment the most pious Christian dies, even his tiniest little sin is too filthy to pollute Heaven. You DO know the Lord. And He knows your heart.
You have to remember that Lexington was organized at Taverns- with the aid and support of the Church of Jesus Christ. Want to know where the resolve to go out to Lexington is??? In the same place the resolve to read the Bible is hanging out at.... We have become a nation of idols. Back in the day the idol was freedom for all, through Christ Jesus- and yes- all of that over a beer or two. It's true.
Thanks Lib. Except that she wasn't "old", I was in Jr HS at the time and she just seemed "old" to me. I positive that she was in her thirty's or so. She was a small lady who always wore the same neat and clean green hooked coat. The absolute look of PEACE and CALM that radiated from her beautiful face has remained with me always since then. I can see her right now as if she was standing in front of me. It makes me ashamed of EVER caring what non-believers "think" about us. But, I was a child then, and didn't have the tools that I have now. Funny how such a thing can stay with you and change you for decades. As to sin, what you say is true. We are ALL too filthy with our own sins to even be in the Lord's presence. We can't ever change that. Salvation is a GIFT, which proves the GOODNESS of the Lord, not our "worthiness". INRI, (Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum).
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
British author Richard Dawkins
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#2. To: CZ82 (#0)
#3. To: calcon (#2)
Likewise, it cannot be proven that Thor, the God of Thunder does not exist.
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#5. To: calcon (#4)
#6. To: NewsJunky (#3)
That is what i was going to say. You can't prove a negative..
#7. To: NewsJunky (#3)
“The word ‘ignoramus’ is a legal term derived from a Latin word meaning ‘we do not know. An ignoramus is like a man who looks at a building and says that he ‘doesn’t know’ if a builder exists. Obviously, the building is proof that there was a builder, because buildings don’t build themselves.
#8. To: A K A Stone (#6)
Yes you can.
#9. To: buckeroo (#8)
#10. To: A K A Stone (#9)
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#13. To: redleghunter (#7)
So who then did make that "watch?"
#14. To: CZ82 (#0)
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#15. To: redleghunter (#7)
So who then did make that "watch?"
#16. To: NewsJunky (#15)
Why must there be a creator?
#17. To: Mad Dog (#5)
LOL!
#18. To: redleghunter (#16)
Because "things" exist.
#19. To: CZ82 (#0)
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The onus is on people like Dawkins to prove there is no God
Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate
#20. To: jwpegler (#19)
But we can't prove it.
#21. To: A K A Stone (#20)
Didn't God say in the Bible that just looking at nature was enough to prove it?
Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate
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#23. To: calcon (#17)
god is great, god is good, YEA GOD
The Oakland-based Christian radio group that predicted the end of the world in May said it did its math wrong –- and rapture is now expected to occur Friday.
#24. To: A K A Stone (#22)
Everyone is given a measure of faith.
Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate
#25. To: calcon (#17)
Yeah, yeah,
#26. To: jwpegler, A K A Stone (#24)
Being a Christian is all about believing that Jesus was the son of god.
#27. To: Mad Dog (#26)
Being a Christian is all about knowing that Jesus IS the son of GOD.
#28. To: Mad Dog (#25)
#29. To: NewsJunky (#18)
Because "things" exist. What if they have always existed?
#30. To: redleghunter (#29)
Do you have any evidence that they always existed?
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#32. To: Wood_Chopper (#27)
md; Being a Christian is all about knowing that Jesus IS the son of GOD.
#33. To: calcon (#28)
Say a prayer to Allah for my heathen ass then and save me.
#34. To: diva betsy ross (#31)
Jesus is alive. :)
#35. To: NewsJunky (#30)
Do you have any evidence that they always existed? Do you know it hasn't?
#36. To: Mad Dog (#33)
#37. To: redleghunter (#35)
believe something came from nothing
#38. To: Mad Dog (#34)
#39. To: redleghunter (#35)
Also, is the universe ordered or chaotic?
#40. To: NewsJunky (#39)
It is governed
#41. To: calcon (#36)
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I'm really sorry to see that your syphilis is destroying the few brain cells you have left.
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#44. To: calcon (#42)
I believe assclown, it's just that I believe in Thor, the God of Thunder. He is the son of Odin the ruler of Asgard(heaven).
#45. To: redleghunter (#40)
Governed implies a Governor.
#46. To: NewsJunky (#45)
Governed implies a Governor. No not necessarily..
#47. To: Mad Dog (#43)
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Psalm 66:10 >>
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#49. To: Wood_Chopper (#48)
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#50. To: redleghunter (#46)
To say we have no lawgiver to these laws of nature, that would be saying all has come about impersonally by chance.
#51. To: Mad Dog (#44)
#52. To: Mad Dog (#49)
What's YOUR life like azzhole?
#53. To: NewsJunky, redleghunter (#50)
To say we have no lawgiver to these laws of nature, that would be saying all has come about impersonally by chance.
#54. To: Wood_Chopper (#52)
If it was any better, it would probably be illegal.
#55. To: calcon (#51)
#56. To: Mad Dog (#55)
Here calfag, let me talk at chu in Kalipornian, maybe dat'll werk?
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#59. To: Mad Dog (#57)
werk
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#61. To: NewsJunky (#50)
impersonally by chance. Exactly..
#62. To: redleghunter (#61)
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Please explain how this is so?
#63. To: Mad Dog (#53)
Thus, you CLAIM ORDER comes naturally, and spontaneously, from infinite CHAOS given infinite TIME.
#64. To: redleghunter, Mad Dog (#63)
#65. To: NewsJunky (#62)
I am not a physicist or cosmologist, so ask one.
#66. To: Mad Dog (#60)
you don't even know what WORK is.
#67. To: NewsJunky (#64)
There are millions of compounds that have less energy in them than the elements of which they are composed. That sentence is a quiet bombshell. It means that the second law energetically FAVORS — yes, predicts firmly — the spontaneous formation of complex, geometrically ordered molecules from utterly simple atoms of elements. Popular statements such as "the second law says that all systems fundamentally tend toward disorder and randomness" are wrong when they refer to chemistry, and chemistry precisely deals with the structure and behavior of all types of matter.
#68. To: redleghunter (#65)
#69. To: redleghunter (#67)
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#70. To: All (#69)
"It only demands a "spreading out" of energy when such ordered compounds are formed spontaneously."
#71. To: redleghunter (#67)
#72. To: NewsJunky (#68)
don't understand the gobbledygook. Just explain it to me in your own words.
#73. To: NewsJunky (#70)
It only demands a "spreading out" of energy when such ordered compounds are formed spontaneously." And that little statement makes the entire point you are making invalid.
#74. To: redleghunter (#72)
Seems pretty straight shooting. Give it a whirl.
#75. To: redleghunter (#73)
Which means it should be spontaneous and not rely on a demand.
#76. To: NewsJunky (#74)
I don't understand it. If it is straightforward then explain it me.
#77. To: NewsJunky (#75)
But spreading out of energy can happen spontaneously.
#78. To: redleghunter (#76)
God is telling Job a human, how could he know of the Great Creation, since Job was a creation.
#79. To: redleghunter (#77)
#80. To: redleghunter (#63)
Thus, you CLAIM ORDER comes naturally, and spontaneously, from infinite CHAOS given infinite TIME.
#81. To: NewsJunky (#64)
#82. To: calcon (#66)
#83. To: calcon (#66)
#84. To: Mad Dog (#83)
#85. To: Mad Dog (#81)
#86. To: Mad Dog (#80)
But even the stoners I know mostly admit that there is more to existence than mere finite man can see let alone understand.
#87. To: NewsJunky (#85)
Cite a physicist who agrees with you.
#88. To: redleghunter (#86)
But even the stoners I know mostly admit that there is more to existence than mere finite man can see let alone understand.
#89. To: calcon (#84)
#90. To: Mad Dog (#88)
You are likely correct, but I admit that it still confuses me.
#91. To: redleghunter (#90)
#92. To: Mad Dog (#91)
I can never think of myself as "saved" or of "knowing the Lord" since I'm still such a sinner. I understand that salvation is a GIFT that has nothing to do with deserving it. But the admonition to "go and sin no more" is a problem for a weak old man such as me.
#93. To: Mad Dog (#87)
LOL! Your IGNORANCE is legion!
#94. To: NewsJunky (#93)
I was asking you to cite a physicist who thinks that evolution is inconsistent with the laws of physics.
#95. To: redleghunter (#92)
#96. To: Mad Dog (#94)
MANY physicists agree that complex structures CANNOT evolve out of CHAOS over time BECAUSE of the tendency of ALL things to move towards DISORDER not ORDER.
#97. To: Mad Dog (#94)
I wish you and yours the best.
#98. To: NewsJunky (#96)
#99. To: NewsJunky (#97)
I wish you and yours the best.
#100. To: Mad Dog (#95)
can never think of myself as "saved" or of "knowing the Lord" since I'm still such a sinner. I understand that salvation is a GIFT that has nothing to do with deserving it. But the admonition to "go and sin no more" is a problem for a weak old man such as me.
#101. To: redleghunter (#100)
#102. To: Mad Dog (#101)
Some sinners like me get the life time to understand how wrong we have been, many do not.
#103. To: calcon (#102)
So you've lived your life as a useless douchebag and now that you're getting ready to die you've found god.
#104. To: calcon (#102)
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He mentioned that the First people to pull on the Redcoats,...was a Pastor and his church members who were also Militia.
They pulled on the British at Lexington Green,...as the British were on their way to Concord to take Adams and Hancock,and seize weapons.
This is like not taught in the history books...
Baldwin admitted the Christian Church in America has sold out to vanity and money extortion.
The system bought them off....and now they teach their flocks to be compliant to Romans 13[Submission to governments], and to be good metro sexuals for Jesus.
they are being conditioned....as the christian church is....to go along to get along.
Back in the early 90's when I was visiting the bluejackets from USS Isherwood's WW-2 crew,
many confided to me that things were going to shit.
Now...Aged US Veterans from WW-2,..or any era for that matter,...are humiliated by TSA at airports,....yelled at and abused by complete morons. All these greeny metro sexuals running loose on the lease while Obama scowls at America.
Its time for another Revolution,...but who has the resolve to go out to Lexington Green now?
#105. To: Parrot with speed dial (#104)
#106. To: Mad Dog, redleghunter (#91)
I can never think of myself as "saved" or of "knowing the Lord" since I'm still such a sinner. I understand that salvation is a GIFT that has nothing to do with deserving it. But the admonition to "go and sin no more" is a problem for a weak old man such as me.
#107. To: Parrot with speed dial (#104)
#108. To: Liberator (#106)
Great story about the old lady and your own testimony, Dawg.
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