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Title: Another New Toy - 69 Camaro
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Published: Feb 29, 2012
Author: Me
Post Date: 2012-02-29 20:08:40 by We The People
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Somebody STOP ME! 1969 Camaro - not sure if it's a base coupe, RS, SS, Sport Coupe, etc. I'm hoping someone here will know something about it. It had, and comes with the original, numbers matching 307, but it currently has a monster 350 in it. It's been years since I drove a car as fast as this one. All emblems are gone. I do know it's an X11 car, but that's just a trim package. Wont know about the protecto plate till I get it home and look for it. Whatever it is, it WILL BE an SS, even if just a clone. I'll post pics when I get it home.
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#10. To: We The People (#0)
I not a camaro man but that's the nicest one they made. It looks better then most of the camaros I usually see in the rear view mirror of my mustang.
LOL! What?!? That 6 cylinder hatchback?!?
6's are for girls. I've got a fox body mustang with about 25K in mods. All my engine work was done by JBA racing in San Diego and that car is scary ass fast. Love to take it to the shop and watch the mechanics face when they pop the hood. It's got one bad ass engine and sounds so sweet, I could just sat and listen to it purr for hours.
Love to take it to the shop and watch the mechanics face when they pop the hood. It's got one bad ass engine and sounds so sweet, I could just sat and listen to it purr for hours. Very nice! Post some pics if you will. I'll get some photos of the motor today. Maybe even some video so you can hear it. The interior on this car is trashed. Some of the window, door, rear fender and wheel well trim is missing. I've got some of it to put back on but not all. I'm thinking blood red for this car. Or... should I go back original rallye green? What do you think?
You gotta go with the blood red. I painted my stang candy apple red and it's so sweet no color fits a bad ass ride better then red. I saw your comments about making the car an SS clone and I'd thought about making my fox a Fobra but decided in the end to make the car as plain as possible. Took off all the badges etc so it just looks like an average stang of the error. Thought i'd end up surprising some moronic tuner but then engine so sweet no ones ever tried to race me. Oh well, I'm way too old for that crap anyway. I envy you man, I was looking at your picture and wishing I could get my hands on that baby. It's going to be sweet.
Well, I wouldn't recommend envying me right now. Aside from the metal that needs cut out and welded back in at the rear shock mounts, I need to do the 4 wheel disc brake conversion, electronic ignition, install some new suspension parts - front coils, rear leafs, ball joints, etc., a mechanical fuel pump, a new fuel tank & lines, (there is currently a fuel cell and electric fuel pump in the trunk) a new shifter, complete new interior, new doors, new paint, blast the undercarriage and paint, new glass, tires and wheels, a sound system and a new console with gauges. And I'm sure there will be more that I haven't found yet. The engine was smoking a little. I hate the 'just getting started' part of a project. I'm a bit overwhelmed right now, especially when I start totaling all this up. I haven't done a project like this since the 80's.
After viewing the pics I'm thinking we all should just schedule a desert party out here in Joshua Tree and dose that baby up with 3inch magnum rifled slugs. .....just kidding. I will say it's a bit uphill appearing with all that rust....and if the structural integrity looks like that in other areas you may consider switching from the LS-6 plan and dropping in a government motors chevy volt powertrain so she don't fold up in half when you gas her too much. And better you than me be tackling the task and looking forward to an occassional pic posting showing the progress.
Well, I have a brother in law in the used car business, so good news is I can get all the mechanicals and body work and paint done dirt cheap. The guy is a real wheeler dealer, so I get bargains like a brand new stroker motor for my truck for $900, installation for $350. He has so much of this type of work done that they give him dirt cheap pricing. He's doing the same with a 70 Chevelle right now. It's much better than trying to get it done with the weekend time I have to donate, so I'll just pay to have it done. I will post some progress photos though, and be proud like I did more than hand over cash! LOL! The worst of the rust is shown in the pics I posted, so I guess it's not that bad. I also need a couple rear wheel wells and both doors. I'll do the brake conversion and suspension parts, new fuel tank and new shifter. Probably the interior too, with a kit. What HEI would you guys recommend?
MSD 6A Module with either the MSD or Mallory HEI distributor. BTW I'm using a Demon 750 on an Edelbrock Torker II on my LT-1 -- good small block setup (but I also run a bit of "gas" fogged in below that Demon :):)....)
Thank you, sirs! It's been a few years since I've done this, so I appreciate all your advice. I was talking to the guy I bought this car from today. He was telling me him and his father built the engine using a recipe straight out of Hot Rod magazine. He thinks he still has the issue put away in a closet. He's going to see if he can find it and send it to me. He said the engine dyno'd at just under 425 horse. Sweet! Keith Black pistons, roller rockers, I can't remember all he told me, but I do remember it gave me about half a chubby! He said his father, a machinist, weighed and balanced each piston and rod. I'm not sure if I believe him or not, but he told me he's personally had that car at 159 mph. He also said the rear end is 2.73 gears. Does that sound right?
He said the engine dyno'd at just under 425 horse. Sweet! Keith Black pistons, roller rockers, I can't remember all he told me, but I do remember it gave me about half a chubby! He said his father, a machinist, weighed and balanced each piston and rod. I'm not sure if I believe him or not, but he told me he's personally had that car at 159 mph. He also said the rear end is 2.73 gears. Does that sound right? Ok, it took me a while to come back to this thread, and watch the video (usually behind firewalls). Some things to note, after watching the video last night (while my wife complained "it sounds like there's a car in the house!): That engine ain't making 425HP. It might be making 350HP- IF you're lucky. It's got a cam in it that's slightly above an RV cam, which means it'll pull to about 5500-6000 RPM. And that's all. Using an online calculator, with 26-inch diameter tires, a 2.73 rear and the 4-speed, you could be rolling 156 MPH at 5500 RPM. You can find the horsepower needed to do that HERE- there is a calculator to give you the answer. The stock coefficient of drag for a '69 Camaro is .38, with a front area of 20.5 square feet. Plugging the numbers in gives us the horsepower: in this case, it's 270, net to the rear wheels. Since the transmission and rear end present a parasitic loss of ~20%, 270HP/.8= 337HP, or 350HP, which leads us right back to my original point. NO way it's making 425. IMHO, you should assume the engine needs rebuilt, since you're blowing blue smoke (either valve guides/seals, or rings). Anyway, just my thoughts....
This, otoh, has me a bit worried.
Yeah, I would imagine so... there's something seriously off, there.... Dude, I don't mean the "bad guy" here, but I think this was installed wrong... ;)
LOL! It took me a second to 'get it'. I may have this Camaro sold already. :o
Huh... WHAT?
I'm working on a deal. The guy made me an offer of 2k more than I paid, that I turned down. Then he upped it to 4k. If he goes to 6k, I'll be damned tempted to sell it.
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#21. To: calcon (#10)
I not a camaro man but that's the nicest one they made. It looks better then most of the camaros I usually see in the rear view mirror of my mustang.
#23. To: We The People (#21)
LOL! What?!? That 6 cylinder hatchback?!?
#26. To: calcon (#23)
6's are for girls. I've got a fox body mustang with about 25K in mods. All my engine work was done by JBA racing in San Diego and that car is scary ass fast.
#31. To: We The People (#26)
I'm thinking blood red for this car. Or... should I go back original rallye green? What do you think?
#41. To: calcon (#31)
I envy you man, I was looking at your picture and wishing I could get my hands on that baby.
#52. To: We The People (#41)
#54. To: e_type_jag, sneakypete, Capitalist Eric (#52)
I will say it's a bit uphill appearing with all that rust
#56. To: We The People (#54)
What HEI would you guys recommend?
#57. To: e_type_jag, sneakypete (#56)
#72. To: We The People (#57)
was talking to the guy I bought this car from today. He was telling me him and his father built the engine using a recipe straight out of Hot Rod magazine. He thinks he still has the issue put away in a closet. He's going to see if he can find it and send it to me.
#75. To: Capitalist Eric (#72)
#77. To: We The People (#75)
This, otoh, has me a bit worried.
#78. To: Capitalist Eric (#77)
Dude, I don't mean the "bad guy" here, but I think this was installed wrong...
#79. To: We The People (#78)
#80. To: Capitalist Eric (#79)
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