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Title: Corseted Minds: Does Fear of Irrelevance Send Conservative Men Fleeing to the Victorian Age?
Source: AlterNet
URL Source: http://www.alternet.org/news/154296 ... the_victorian_age/?page=entire
Published: Feb 28, 2012
Author: Lynn Parramore
Post Date: 2012-02-29 14:05:13 by lucysmom
Keywords: None
Views: 34437
Comments: 82

In the last 50 years, American women have finally been able to reliably earn a living, thus rendering men economically unnecessary. Women are outstripping men in education. We’re breaking the glass ceiling. Childbirth out of wedlock no longer carries disgrace. There’s enough sperm stashed away in banks to promulgate the human race indefinitely. On a biological level, modern science has debunked the Adam’s rib story about the female being a derivative of the male.

Still more shattering, there’s even worry that the Y chromosome is in danger of extinction. At the very least, it has seen better days. As the New York Times recently reported:

“Men, or at least male biologists, have long been alarmed that their tiny Y chromosome, once the same size as its buxom partner, the X, will continue to wither away until it simply vanishes. The male sex would then become extinct, they fear, leaving women to invent some virgin-birth method of reproduction and propagate a sexless species.”

That’s gotta make Rick Santorum nervous. (Though the Times does concede that men may have “long-term viability” after all).

Conservatives find themselves in an era of technological advance, information on steroids, women on the rise, and men who do not know what their role is supposed to be. Can we be surprised that they look back wistfully on a “simpler time” when gender roles were strictly defined – and when men did the defining?

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#43. To: lucysmom (#41)

Feminism is a crutch for people with weak minds. For men who want to be dominated- and for women who want to control men by force.

It has nothing at all do with equality.

Importunately, therefore- feminists only seem to understand the law of force- and they need to be put in their place by the people who have the real authority and power, who have strong minds to reject their propaganda.

Feminists will bring violence upon themselves.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-03-01   10:32:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: lucysmom (#37)
(Edited)

No, you do.

It seems you've really been rattling some cages here today. Surely you know how conservatives hate uppity women. Enough to want to threaten bodily harm to them on the internet it seems.

A good woman to a conservative follows the Islamic credo (that they claim to detest) of being submissive. Only in this instance it's to another human being. Without a good supply of slave labor, conservatives would wither up and die.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-03-01   10:59:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: mininggold (#44) (Edited)

Feminists are the ones who cause the violence, many times. Feminism is passive agressive baheavior. They demand and create an out of balance system, dominated by women, and people react.

Since they are not able to use logic, they invite violence.

Feminism is illogical and irrational.

No one is threatening violence... the violence is already there. Look at the domestic violence rates. Women are abuse to men, more than men are abusive to women. Want to really discern why men are violent? In good part, and many times because they are invalidated and mistreated. Feminism is instructional and institutional sexism- and it invalidates men- look no further than the title of this article.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-03-01   11:11:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: CZ82 (#40)

OOpppssss looks like I struck a nerve....

I'm old enough to remember what it was like in your good old days, when the "Help Wanted" section of the paper was divided into "Men" and "Women", when it was common to hear "that's good money for a women", When women were actively discouraged from seeking careers as doctors, engineers - anything to do with science. The women's movement was about a whole lot more than burning bras and legalizing abortions.

As for the rest, it is unfortunate that every time a group takes the words "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" seriously, and step up, risking all to claim those "self-evident" truths for themselves, they are labeled communists. It really does make the labeler look bad.

Was Abigail Adams influenced by communism when she wrote If particular care and attention is not paid to the ladies, we are determined to foment a rebellion, and will not hold ourselves bound by any laws in which we have no voice, or representation.?

Or Do not put such unlimited power into the hands of husbands. Remember all men would be tyrants if they could. ?

I suppose you think communists held sway at the Woman's Rights Convention in 1848 when it produced these words He has endeavored, in every way that he could to destroy her confidence in her own powers, to lessen her self-respect, and to make her willing to lead a dependent and abject life.

Now, in view of this entire disfranchisement of one-half the people of this country, their social and religious degradation,—in view of the unjust laws above mentioned, and because women do feel themselves aggrieved, oppressed, and fraudulently deprived of their most sacred rights, we insist that they have immediate admission to all the rights and privileges which belong to them as citizens of these United States.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-01   11:13:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: diva betsy ross (#45) (Edited)

Feminists are the ones who cause the violence, many times. Feminism is passive agressive baheavior. They demand and create an out of balance system, dominated by women, and people react.

Since they are not able to use logic, they invite violence.

Feminism is illogical and irrational.

So are you saying conservative are prone to deadly violence as a normal reaction to something they don't understand or agree with?

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-03-01   11:15:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: diva betsy ross (#42)

Awesome. :) I hope you will find that feminism is poison. Women who truly beleive in equality ,reject feminism.

Lets be honest- feminism is about female domination.

And I think you've been poisoned with propaganda produced by those who want to enslave you.

Feminism isn't about power over, it's about power with.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-01   11:17:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: diva betsy ross (#43)

Feminists will bring violence upon themselves.

In entering upon the great work before us, we anticipate no small amount of misconception, misrepresentation, and ridicule; but we shall use every instrumentality within our power to effect our object. Woman's Rights Convention, Held at Seneca Falls, N.Y., July 19th and 20th, 1848

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-01   11:20:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: mininggold (#44)

It seems you've really been rattling some cages here today. Surely you know how conservatives hate uppity women. Enough to want to threaten bodily harm to them on the internet it seems.

It is stunning to behold.

Someone said the words "All men are created equal" meant all landed white men when they were written, however, the words had power beyond the author's intent.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-01   11:25:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: diva betsy ross (#45)

No one is threatening violence...

Oh, I guess you missed the picture of a gun posted to me.

Or maybe because you've been trained not to hold a man responsible for his behavior, but to blame a woman, you think that was my doing.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-01   11:28:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: lucysmom (#51) (Edited)

Gun pointed at you? Yeah, I missed that- but like I said, feminists incite violence.

It is true that y'all make people feel like they have to defend themselves so, I wouldn't be surprised.

Oh and I haven't been trained. I just think for myself. When I was a young girl I didn't understand feminism, because it is illogical.

They say they want equality, then they only do what puts them in a position of dominance and that doesn't resonate with my understanding of the word , "equal".

Feminists will lie, cheat and steal .

As a teenager feminism didn't make sense to me because IF women made much less money for doing the same job as a man- then why didn't employers only hire women, and save themselves some money?

Since I saw women staying home and men going off to work- Feminism was not showing me anything real.

Frankly I am surprised at how many men and women fall for the lies of feminism.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-03-01   15:40:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: lucysmom (#49)

You have to remember that feminism is a bunch of lies to many of us. Lies and manipulations and attempting to overthrow what we know is a healthy country is going to cause violence.

Men and women have equal rights. Feminism is a manipulation and distorts the idea of what is good in society.

It is going to make people angry.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-03-01   15:48:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: diva betsy ross (#52)

Gun pointed at you? Yeah, I missed that- but like I said, feminists incite violence.

You didn't read the words I wrote.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-01   15:48:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: diva betsy ross (#52)

Oh and I haven't been trained. I just think for myself. When I was a young girl I didn't understand feminism, because it is illogical.

They say they want equality, then they only do what puts them in a position of dominance and that doesn't resonate with my understanding of the word , "equal".

Feminists will lie, cheat and steal .

Sometimes we only see what fits our schema.

As a teenager feminism didn't make sense to me because IF women made much less money for doing the same job as a man- then why didn't employers only hire women, and save themselves some money?

In many cases employers did hire women over men because they were cheaper - this happened a lot in the trades. I remember my father being really angry, not that women were being hired, but that they were being paid less.

Since I saw women staying home and men going off to work- Feminism was not showing me anything real.

Apparently you think every human being longs to stay home and not go to work - not so. Many people LOVE to work and love the work they do. Maybe your dream was to stay home, however it's not every girl's dream.

If a girl has the ability and wants to be a geologist, or a volcanologist, or a marine biologists, etc., why shouldn't she have the same opportunity as a boy to do so?

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-01   16:08:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: diva betsy ross (#53)

Feminism is a manipulation and distorts the idea of what is good in society.

It is going to make people angry.

I'm sure your words would meet the approval of many a radical Muslim misogynist.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-01   16:11:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: diva betsy ross (#53)

You have to remember that feminism is a bunch of lies to many of us. Lies and manipulations and attempting to overthrow what we know is a healthy country is going to cause violence.

Men and women have equal rights. Feminism is a manipulation and distorts the idea of what is good in society.

It is going to make people angry.

No one is stopping you from refusing to vote or buy property. You are able to celebrate the good old non feminism days (that only exist in your imagination) anyway you want.

As most men then would not have approved of women corresponding with men that are not their husbands or brothers, feel free to not post on the internet..

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-03-01   16:35:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: mininggold (#57)

I am not sure what part of the world you live in, however women vote and own property in the United States. Women have every right and opportunity that a man has- and here in the USA women even have special rights.

Here in the US a woman is allowed to kill a child- but a man will go to prison for the same.

In the United States women have been doing all these things for a very long time.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-03-01   21:30:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: lucysmom (#56)

Oh that's ok. Being an antifreminist makes a person used to the bitter and nasty attacks of a feminist.

It is typical passive aggressive behavior. What is the difference between a Muslim misogynist and an American feminist? Nothing that I can see.

It is a good thing that more and more people are willing to stand up to the feminists and tell them it is not acceptable to lie and manipulate- in a lust for dominance over men.

That is not equality. It is good fortune that more people, such as myself, are interested in authentic equality.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-03-01   21:34:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: diva betsy ross (#58)

Here in the US a woman is allowed to kill a child- but a man will go to prison for the same.

If you're talking about abortion, does the doctor preforming the abortion go to prison if he is a man?

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-01   21:35:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: We The People, lucysmom (#34)

This is the postmodern paradox that conservatives must contend with. And it's driving them absolutely bonkers just now.

Weird. I don't know even ONE conservative that ever brings this terrible problem up in discussion of current events or issues.

Could it be that it's just made up drivel?

Lol - so weird that this is also the very first time I've even heard of this problem and terrible case of "bonkers" that it supposedly causes (HELLO...HELLO...are we still living in the "postmodern era"??)

So...when will LucysMoonbatMom answer your question regarding this dyke-driven drivel??

Liberator  posted on  2012-03-01   22:09:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: diva betsy ross, lucysmom (#59)

What is the difference between a Muslim misogynist and an American feminist? Nothing that I can see.

Spot on. Great comparison.

Liberator  posted on  2012-03-01   22:10:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: mininggold, diva betsy ross (#57)

You are able to celebrate the good old non feminism days (that only exist in your imagination) anyway you want

Which I suppose is 180 degrees away from your own reality of TIVOing 70's reruns of 'Wonder Woman' and 'Mary'.

You sound...just a bit envious, Ming.

Liberator  posted on  2012-03-01   22:17:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: A K A Stone, lucysmom (#36)

You consider George Washington to be a murderer?

Looks like you snagged her.

Not even Roseanne Barr would infer that.

Liberator  posted on  2012-03-01   22:19:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: lucysmom, diva betsy ross (#60)

If you're talking about abortion, does the doctor preforming the abortion go to prison if he is a man?

But...but....I thought it is the woman who claims dominion over her own body??

The doctor (if male) is merely hired to perform the hit.

Liberator  posted on  2012-03-01   22:21:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Liberator (#63)

Which I suppose is 180 degrees away from your own reality of TIVOing 70's reruns of 'Wonder Woman' and 'Mary'.

You sound...just a bit envious, Ming.

Sorry, but I'm not envious of your TV viewing habits in the least.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-03-02   0:02:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Liberator (#62)

:) Thanks kindly, lib.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-03-02   6:59:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: lucysmom (#60)

So abortion is really just a ploy to entrap a man into murder? Ah- I see....

Feminists so twisted in their logic. Now the woman is a victim of the abortion she signed up for and demanded tax payers pay for?

Always a victim- never a bride.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-03-02   7:01:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Liberator, mgold (#63)

ou are able to celebrate the good old non feminism days (that only exist in your imagination) anyway you want

And Feminism isn't about female domination??? Hello....

Anway, my world is perfectly anti-feminist. In fact- all my boy and girl children know that there is one relationship I will not condone -any relationship with a feminist.

It is a spoken mandate in my home. :) And I am not kidding.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-03-02   7:37:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: lucysmom (#46)

I'm surprised that you answered that post, figured you'd think it was just another hit piece and ignore it..... I know I did..... That was one of the more extreme opinions I've seen on the subject, but not the only one using that theme....

So why are women voting for people that want to oppress them and take their freedoms away, after all the hard work expended to get them in the first place????? (Makes absolutely no sense)!!!!

"The trouble with our liberal friends are not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

CZ82  posted on  2012-03-02   8:21:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: lucysmom (#51)

Oh, I guess you missed the picture of a gun posted to me.

You wouldn't be referring to the one I sent Stone would you??

Or did someone else send you one that I haven't seen??

"The trouble with our liberal friends are not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

CZ82  posted on  2012-03-02   8:23:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: lucysmom (#39)

Of course men with your mentality, CZ, might have a different experience. I assure you that any hostility directed towards you from women is due to your boorish behavior as exemplified by your remark quoted above, and not because of your gender.

Oohhh well, sometimes the truth just isn't politically correct... (Just ask Jack he'll tell you)....

"The trouble with our liberal friends are not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

CZ82  posted on  2012-03-02   8:31:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: CZ82 (#72)

Oohhh well, sometimes the truth just isn't politically correct... (Just ask Jack he'll tell you)....

There you go - flattering yourself again.

Who is jack?

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-02   10:43:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: lucysmom (#73)

There you go - flattering yourself again.

Who is jack?

Judging from some of the other posts on this thread I would say I'm not the only one who thinks feminism sucks....

It's just another argument the Left is losing just like abortion... Why do you think they started the contraception speil with Sandra Fluke.....

Jack Nicholson....

"The trouble with our liberal friends are not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

CZ82  posted on  2012-03-02   15:14:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: diva betsy ross (#69)

I will not condone -any relationship with a feminist.

I had a woman friend who told me she was contemplating working for planned parenthood !

I said gooooodhhdd bye !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2012-03-02   15:29:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Liberator (#65)

The doctor (if male) is merely hired to perform the hit.

Does that mean women don't have special rights after all?

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-02   16:15:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: CZ82 (#74)

Judging from some of the other posts on this thread I would say I'm not the only one who thinks feminism sucks....

So what? I could care less.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-02   16:16:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: lucysmom (#77)

So what? I could care less.

You sure about that??? You answers say otherwise...

Feminism served it's purose a long time ago (like unions) but now it's just being perverted into something that just screws with womens minds instead of making them secure and confident in themselves and their abilities....

Women and workers were going to get those rights no matter what, it's just the nature of how our society evolves.....

So is this one of the byproducts of feminism??

www.huffingtonpost.com/20...iq- breasts_n_1316313.html

"The trouble with our liberal friends are not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

CZ82  posted on  2012-03-03   8:39:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: CZ82 (#78)

Women and workers were going to get those rights no matter what, it's just the nature of how our society evolves.....

I wonder if the Brits say that about the American colonies.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-03   9:32:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: lucysmom (#79)

Women and workers were going to get those rights no matter what, it's just the nature of how our society evolves.....

I wonder if the Brits say that about the American colonies.

They still have a queen so what does that tell you.... shows you how free they still "Aren't"......

Take for instance all of the rediculous taxes they pay to support the monarchy..... TV's, outside water faucets, Road, radios and about 85% of the price of a gallon of gas is tax......

"The trouble with our liberal friends are not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

CZ82  posted on  2012-03-03   9:46:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: CZ82 (#80)

They still have a queen so what does that tell you....

Nothing about the state of their freedom.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-03   9:56:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: BorisY (#75)

Smart man. :)

diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-03-04   16:49:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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