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Title: Corseted Minds: Does Fear of Irrelevance Send Conservative Men Fleeing to the Victorian Age?
Source: AlterNet
URL Source: http://www.alternet.org/news/154296 ... the_victorian_age/?page=entire
Published: Feb 28, 2012
Author: Lynn Parramore
Post Date: 2012-02-29 14:05:13 by lucysmom
Keywords: None
Views: 34104
Comments: 82

In the last 50 years, American women have finally been able to reliably earn a living, thus rendering men economically unnecessary. Women are outstripping men in education. We’re breaking the glass ceiling. Childbirth out of wedlock no longer carries disgrace. There’s enough sperm stashed away in banks to promulgate the human race indefinitely. On a biological level, modern science has debunked the Adam’s rib story about the female being a derivative of the male.

Still more shattering, there’s even worry that the Y chromosome is in danger of extinction. At the very least, it has seen better days. As the New York Times recently reported:

“Men, or at least male biologists, have long been alarmed that their tiny Y chromosome, once the same size as its buxom partner, the X, will continue to wither away until it simply vanishes. The male sex would then become extinct, they fear, leaving women to invent some virgin-birth method of reproduction and propagate a sexless species.”

That’s gotta make Rick Santorum nervous. (Though the Times does concede that men may have “long-term viability” after all).

Conservatives find themselves in an era of technological advance, information on steroids, women on the rise, and men who do not know what their role is supposed to be. Can we be surprised that they look back wistfully on a “simpler time” when gender roles were strictly defined – and when men did the defining?

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As Joyce Appleby explains in her book The Relentless Revolution, it was capitalism that helped let the Angel out of the house, driving the medical breakthroughs that made the development of reproductive technology possible. And it was capitalism that withered away the bonds of power between men and women that for millennia had been based on male religious authority, and replaced them with bonds based on economic value. The priest no longer determined what women are for. The advertisements in Vogue, maybe. But not the priests. This is the postmodern paradox that conservatives must contend with. And it's driving them absolutely bonkers just now.

No wonder "real conservatives" are so cranky.

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-29   14:06:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: lucysmom (#1)

Liberalism/feminism really is a mental disorder. The only reason why girls are doing better in "education" is because the system punishes boys for being male and tests kids on feelings over facts.

Smart parents don't let heir male children become part of that system.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-02-29   18:35:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: diva betsy ross (#11)

Liberalism/feminism really is a mental disorder.

Indeed. Feminism has done more harm to women than anything men could ever do....

Women cannot compete in the same venue, with men, because men compete with each other, as men. A woman who comes along, trying to be a man, is a joke. Generally speaking, men fight with each other every day. They want to be tough, "macho," whatever....

IF a woman uses the assets God gives her- femininity and charm- she can get a man to do anything she wants.... He's at work, or at a football game, or in the garage... and with a smile, she can get him to drop whatever he's doing, and take out the trash (as a simple example)...

And he has no idea that she has that power.... If she's really smart, he'll never know that she has the power in the house...

Feminism alleges that a woman can be a man. I don't understand why real women would ever want to give up their power, for that.

An old Russian expression: The man controls the rudder of the ship; the woman holds the ship in the palm of her hand.

THAT'S the truth.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-02-29   19:03:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Capitalist Eric (#22)

Indeed. Feminism has done more harm to women than anything men could ever do....

Feminism was invented by old dried up musty Leftard females who hadn't seen anything "hard" in years.. And they are using it to phuck with the minds of the women who do see something "hard" on a regular basis!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-02-29   19:38:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: CZ82 (#30)

Feminism was invented by old dried up musty Leftard females who hadn't seen anything "hard" in years.. And they are using it to phuck with the minds of the women who do see something "hard" on a regular basis!!!

Bet you'd be surprised to learn that feminists like men more than women who are not feminists.

Despite the popular belief that feminists dislike men, few studies have actually examined the empirical accuracy of this stereotype. The present study examined self-identified feminists’ and nonfeminists’ attitudes toward men. An ethnically diverse sample (N = 488) of college students responded to statements from the Ambivalence toward Men Inventory (AMI; Glick & Fiske, 1999). Contrary to popular beliefs, feminists reported lower levels of hostility toward men than did nonfeminists. The persistence of the myth of the man-hating feminist is explored.

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Of course men with your mentality, CZ, might have a different experience. I assure you that any hostility directed towards you from women is due to your boorish behavior as exemplified by your remark quoted above, and not because of your gender.

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-29   22:13:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: lucysmom (#39)

Feminism was invented by old dried up musty Leftard females who hadn't seen anything "hard" in years.. And they are using it to phuck with the minds of the women who do see something "hard" on a regular basis!!! Bet you'd be surprised to learn that feminists like men more than women who are not feminists.

Despite the popular belief that feminists dislike men, few studies have actually examined the empirical accuracy of this stereotype. The present study examined self-identified feminists’ and nonfeminists’ attitudes toward men. An ethnically diverse sample (N = 488) of college students responded to statements from the Ambivalence toward Men Inventory (AMI; Glick & Fiske, 1999). Contrary to popular beliefs, feminists reported lower levels of hostility toward men than did nonfeminists. The persistence of the myth of the man-hating feminist is explored.

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Of course men with your mentality, CZ, might have a different experience. I assure you that any hostility directed towards you from women is due to your boorish behavior as exemplified by your remark quoted above, and not because of your gender.

OOpppssss looks like I struck a nerve....

Real women don't use feminism as a crutch!!! They are already capable of being independent, self supporting and know how to raise children correctly without being told how by some loser Leftard psychiatrist......... All feminism is doing is making women more dependent on men not less....

Most of the articles I've read over the years that disparage feminism seem to be written by females instead of males!!!!!

In a recent book, Red Feminism: American Communism and the Making of Women's Liberation, (2002) feminist historian Kate Weigand states: "ideas, activists and traditions that emanated from the Communist movement of the forties and fifties continued to shape the direction of the new women's movement of the 1960s and later."

In fact, Weigand, a lecturer at Smith College, shows that modern feminism is a direct outgrowth of American Communism. There is nothing that feminists said or did in the 1960's-1980's that wasn't prefigured in the CPUSA of the 1940's and 1950's. Many second-wave feminist leaders were "red diaper babies," the children of Communists.

Communists pioneered the political and cultural analysis of woman's oppression. They originated women's studies, and advocated public daycare, birth control, abortion and even children's rights. They forged key feminist concepts such as "the personal is the political" and techniques such as "consciousness raising."

CZ82  posted on  2012-03-01   7:31:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: CZ82 (#40)

OOpppssss looks like I struck a nerve....

I'm old enough to remember what it was like in your good old days, when the "Help Wanted" section of the paper was divided into "Men" and "Women", when it was common to hear "that's good money for a women", When women were actively discouraged from seeking careers as doctors, engineers - anything to do with science. The women's movement was about a whole lot more than burning bras and legalizing abortions.

As for the rest, it is unfortunate that every time a group takes the words "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" seriously, and step up, risking all to claim those "self-evident" truths for themselves, they are labeled communists. It really does make the labeler look bad.

Was Abigail Adams influenced by communism when she wrote If particular care and attention is not paid to the ladies, we are determined to foment a rebellion, and will not hold ourselves bound by any laws in which we have no voice, or representation.?

Or Do not put such unlimited power into the hands of husbands. Remember all men would be tyrants if they could. ?

I suppose you think communists held sway at the Woman's Rights Convention in 1848 when it produced these words He has endeavored, in every way that he could to destroy her confidence in her own powers, to lessen her self-respect, and to make her willing to lead a dependent and abject life.

Now, in view of this entire disfranchisement of one-half the people of this country, their social and religious degradation,—in view of the unjust laws above mentioned, and because women do feel themselves aggrieved, oppressed, and fraudulently deprived of their most sacred rights, we insist that they have immediate admission to all the rights and privileges which belong to them as citizens of these United States.

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-01   11:13:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#70. To: lucysmom (#46)

I'm surprised that you answered that post, figured you'd think it was just another hit piece and ignore it..... I know I did..... That was one of the more extreme opinions I've seen on the subject, but not the only one using that theme....

So why are women voting for people that want to oppress them and take their freedoms away, after all the hard work expended to get them in the first place????? (Makes absolutely no sense)!!!!

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