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Title: Corseted Minds: Does Fear of Irrelevance Send Conservative Men Fleeing to the Victorian Age?
Source: AlterNet
URL Source: http://www.alternet.org/news/154296 ... the_victorian_age/?page=entire
Published: Feb 28, 2012
Author: Lynn Parramore
Post Date: 2012-02-29 14:05:13 by lucysmom
Keywords: None
Views: 34423
Comments: 82

In the last 50 years, American women have finally been able to reliably earn a living, thus rendering men economically unnecessary. Women are outstripping men in education. We’re breaking the glass ceiling. Childbirth out of wedlock no longer carries disgrace. There’s enough sperm stashed away in banks to promulgate the human race indefinitely. On a biological level, modern science has debunked the Adam’s rib story about the female being a derivative of the male.

Still more shattering, there’s even worry that the Y chromosome is in danger of extinction. At the very least, it has seen better days. As the New York Times recently reported:

“Men, or at least male biologists, have long been alarmed that their tiny Y chromosome, once the same size as its buxom partner, the X, will continue to wither away until it simply vanishes. The male sex would then become extinct, they fear, leaving women to invent some virgin-birth method of reproduction and propagate a sexless species.”

That’s gotta make Rick Santorum nervous. (Though the Times does concede that men may have “long-term viability” after all).

Conservatives find themselves in an era of technological advance, information on steroids, women on the rise, and men who do not know what their role is supposed to be. Can we be surprised that they look back wistfully on a “simpler time” when gender roles were strictly defined – and when men did the defining?

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#18. To: CZ82 (#10)

Neither does the free handouts associated with it, at least in some circles....

So then, I suppose, you prefer abortion like your friend Boris.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-29   18:54:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: BorisY (#15)

by Dr.Desmond Ford

Is he the guy who tells you what to think?

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-29   18:59:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: lucysmom (#19)

You like everyone else would need a soul to think !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2012-02-29   19:01:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: lucysmom (#16)

Shooting people you disagree with isn't the way mature adults deal with conflict.

Threatening the life of another with a gun is ultimately controlling, and in keeping with the REAL conservative's" idea of liberty.

That isn't generally the first thing to do I agree. But after a while it is an option. Ask George Washington.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-29   19:02:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: diva betsy ross (#11)

Liberalism/feminism really is a mental disorder.

Indeed. Feminism has done more harm to women than anything men could ever do....

Women cannot compete in the same venue, with men, because men compete with each other, as men. A woman who comes along, trying to be a man, is a joke. Generally speaking, men fight with each other every day. They want to be tough, "macho," whatever....

IF a woman uses the assets God gives her- femininity and charm- she can get a man to do anything she wants.... He's at work, or at a football game, or in the garage... and with a smile, she can get him to drop whatever he's doing, and take out the trash (as a simple example)...

And he has no idea that she has that power.... If she's really smart, he'll never know that she has the power in the house...

Feminism alleges that a woman can be a man. I don't understand why real women would ever want to give up their power, for that.

An old Russian expression: The man controls the rudder of the ship; the woman holds the ship in the palm of her hand.

THAT'S the truth.

To: mcToejam, rat-boy, drippy, Alzheimer Fred, whitesands, t-bird, loonymom/ming, e-type jackoff, goober56, wreck, cal-CON, rabid dog, dummy DwarF, biff, harrowup the communist, and meguro. You're on the "a waste of human flesh" list. Piss off.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-02-29   19:03:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Capitalist Eric (#17)

Oh, yes, I remember this line... Gloria Steinem said "a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle," right?

Well no, Eric, she didn't.

From a letter written by Ms Steinem to "Time" magazine

In your note on my new and happy marital partnership with David Bale, you credit me with the witticism 'A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.' In fact, Irina Dunn, a distinguished Australian educator, journalist and politician, coined the phrase back in 1970 when she was a student at the University of Sydney. She paraphrased the philosopher who said, 'Man needs God like fish needs a bicycle.' Dunn deserves credit for creating such a popular and durable spoof of the old idea that women need men more than vice versa.

www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/414150.html

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-29   19:05:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: BorisY (#20)

You like everyone else would need a soul to think !

Oh my, I'm cut to the quick!

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-29   19:17:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: diva betsy ross (#11)

Liberalism/feminism really is a mental disorder. The only reason why girls are doing better in "education" is because the system punishes boys for being male and tests kids on feelings over facts.

That sounds like something James Dobson would say.

Catholic schools don't have a reputation for being liberal, but they do have a reputation for abusive suppression of youthful exuberance.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-29   19:23:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: A K A Stone (#21)

That isn't generally the first thing to do I agree. But after a while it is an option. Ask George Washington.

What are you saying - that Washington didn't murder his fellow American citizens because they were in agreement?

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-29   19:26:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: lucysmom (#16)

Shooting people you disagree with isn't the way mature adults deal with conflict.

Threatening the life of another with a gun is ultimately controlling, and in keeping with the REAL conservative's" idea of liberty.

It's the time honored tradition of dealing with those who oppress others, it's the only thing they understand.....

The founding fathers decided it was the right thing to do to fight government oppression, and it's still pertinent today for us to fight government oppression!!!!! But then again you despise the founding fathers because they fought against the type of oppression you routinely vote for......

I'd hate to see what your idea of liberty is considering who and what you vote for!!!

"The trouble with our liberal friends are not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

CZ82  posted on  2012-02-29   19:29:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Capitalist Eric (#22)

Feminism alleges that a woman can be a man.

Actually it doesn't. Missing the point seems to be your forte.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-29   19:31:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: lucysmom (#18)

So then, I suppose, you prefer abortion like your friend Boris.

He does??? Oh well that's his opinion.... But if I know Boris he's talking about using it "selectively"!!!!

"The trouble with our liberal friends are not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

CZ82  posted on  2012-02-29   19:35:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Capitalist Eric (#22)

Indeed. Feminism has done more harm to women than anything men could ever do....

Feminism was invented by old dried up musty Leftard females who hadn't seen anything "hard" in years.. And they are using it to phuck with the minds of the women who do see something "hard" on a regular basis!!!

"The trouble with our liberal friends are not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

CZ82  posted on  2012-02-29   19:38:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: lucysmom (#25)

Who is James Dobson? And I have no Idea about Catholic schools. The department of education needs to be taken apart tho - for abuse against males. I know that much.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-02-29   20:05:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Capitalist Eric (#22)

Feminism is the scourge of society. I have recognized that much since I was a little girl.

It is an illogical and irrational religion of the mind. I want nothing to do with feminism either.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-02-29   20:17:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: diva betsy ross (#31)

The department of education needs to be taken apart tho - for abuse against males. I know that much.

I do believe you've been told that.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-29   20:18:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: lucysmom (#1)

This is the postmodern paradox that conservatives must contend with. And it's driving them absolutely bonkers just now.

Weird. I don't know even ONE conservative that ever brings this terrible problem up in discussion of current events or issues.

Could it be that it's just made up drivel?

We The People  posted on  2012-02-29   20:21:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: lucysmom (#33) (Edited)

Actually, that is my experience as a Mom of two boys. I educated them myself- until they were big enough to tell the feminists to sit down and be quiet. Now they are allowed to succeed and compete and win.

That and the fact that since my two boys ACE their standardized test scores- they need my two boys- more than we need them. I will just pick up and pull them out of school, and take them to the next school over- if the staff start to pull any of their nonsense on me.

I got this one down. The leftist/feminist educators stay out of my way, trust me. :)

When I call them, it is "Yes m'am- what can we do for you?" lol...

diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-02-29   20:23:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: lucysmom (#26)

You consider George Washington to be a murderer?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-29   20:28:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: A K A Stone (#36)

You consider George Washington to be a murderer?

No, you do.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-29   20:30:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: lucysmom (#37)

You consider George Washington to be a murderer?

No, you do.

You're looney.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-29   20:31:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: CZ82 (#30)

Feminism was invented by old dried up musty Leftard females who hadn't seen anything "hard" in years.. And they are using it to phuck with the minds of the women who do see something "hard" on a regular basis!!!

Bet you'd be surprised to learn that feminists like men more than women who are not feminists.

Despite the popular belief that feminists dislike men, few studies have actually examined the empirical accuracy of this stereotype. The present study examined self-identified feminists’ and nonfeminists’ attitudes toward men. An ethnically diverse sample (N = 488) of college students responded to statements from the Ambivalence toward Men Inventory (AMI; Glick & Fiske, 1999). Contrary to popular beliefs, feminists reported lower levels of hostility toward men than did nonfeminists. The persistence of the myth of the man-hating feminist is explored.

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Of course men with your mentality, CZ, might have a different experience. I assure you that any hostility directed towards you from women is due to your boorish behavior as exemplified by your remark quoted above, and not because of your gender.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-29   22:13:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: lucysmom (#39)

Feminism was invented by old dried up musty Leftard females who hadn't seen anything "hard" in years.. And they are using it to phuck with the minds of the women who do see something "hard" on a regular basis!!! Bet you'd be surprised to learn that feminists like men more than women who are not feminists.

Despite the popular belief that feminists dislike men, few studies have actually examined the empirical accuracy of this stereotype. The present study examined self-identified feminists’ and nonfeminists’ attitudes toward men. An ethnically diverse sample (N = 488) of college students responded to statements from the Ambivalence toward Men Inventory (AMI; Glick & Fiske, 1999). Contrary to popular beliefs, feminists reported lower levels of hostility toward men than did nonfeminists. The persistence of the myth of the man-hating feminist is explored.

webcache.googleuserconten...ersity+of+Houston&ct=clnk

Of course men with your mentality, CZ, might have a different experience. I assure you that any hostility directed towards you from women is due to your boorish behavior as exemplified by your remark quoted above, and not because of your gender.

OOpppssss looks like I struck a nerve....

Real women don't use feminism as a crutch!!! They are already capable of being independent, self supporting and know how to raise children correctly without being told how by some loser Leftard psychiatrist......... All feminism is doing is making women more dependent on men not less....

Most of the articles I've read over the years that disparage feminism seem to be written by females instead of males!!!!!

In a recent book, Red Feminism: American Communism and the Making of Women's Liberation, (2002) feminist historian Kate Weigand states: "ideas, activists and traditions that emanated from the Communist movement of the forties and fifties continued to shape the direction of the new women's movement of the 1960s and later."

In fact, Weigand, a lecturer at Smith College, shows that modern feminism is a direct outgrowth of American Communism. There is nothing that feminists said or did in the 1960's-1980's that wasn't prefigured in the CPUSA of the 1940's and 1950's. Many second-wave feminist leaders were "red diaper babies," the children of Communists.

Communists pioneered the political and cultural analysis of woman's oppression. They originated women's studies, and advocated public daycare, birth control, abortion and even children's rights. They forged key feminist concepts such as "the personal is the political" and techniques such as "consciousness raising."

"The trouble with our liberal friends are not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

CZ82  posted on  2012-03-01   7:31:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: diva betsy ross (#35)

The leftist/feminist educators stay out of my way, trust me. :)

I have no trouble believing you at all.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-01   10:06:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: lucysmom (#41)

Awesome. :) I hope you will find that feminism is poison. Women who truly beleive in equality ,reject feminism.

Lets be honest- feminism is about female domination.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-03-01   10:28:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: lucysmom (#41)

Feminism is a crutch for people with weak minds. For men who want to be dominated- and for women who want to control men by force.

It has nothing at all do with equality.

Importunately, therefore- feminists only seem to understand the law of force- and they need to be put in their place by the people who have the real authority and power, who have strong minds to reject their propaganda.

Feminists will bring violence upon themselves.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-03-01   10:32:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: lucysmom (#37) (Edited)

No, you do.

It seems you've really been rattling some cages here today. Surely you know how conservatives hate uppity women. Enough to want to threaten bodily harm to them on the internet it seems.

A good woman to a conservative follows the Islamic credo (that they claim to detest) of being submissive. Only in this instance it's to another human being. Without a good supply of slave labor, conservatives would wither up and die.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-03-01   10:59:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: mininggold (#44) (Edited)

Feminists are the ones who cause the violence, many times. Feminism is passive agressive baheavior. They demand and create an out of balance system, dominated by women, and people react.

Since they are not able to use logic, they invite violence.

Feminism is illogical and irrational.

No one is threatening violence... the violence is already there. Look at the domestic violence rates. Women are abuse to men, more than men are abusive to women. Want to really discern why men are violent? In good part, and many times because they are invalidated and mistreated. Feminism is instructional and institutional sexism- and it invalidates men- look no further than the title of this article.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-03-01   11:11:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: CZ82 (#40)

OOpppssss looks like I struck a nerve....

I'm old enough to remember what it was like in your good old days, when the "Help Wanted" section of the paper was divided into "Men" and "Women", when it was common to hear "that's good money for a women", When women were actively discouraged from seeking careers as doctors, engineers - anything to do with science. The women's movement was about a whole lot more than burning bras and legalizing abortions.

As for the rest, it is unfortunate that every time a group takes the words "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" seriously, and step up, risking all to claim those "self-evident" truths for themselves, they are labeled communists. It really does make the labeler look bad.

Was Abigail Adams influenced by communism when she wrote If particular care and attention is not paid to the ladies, we are determined to foment a rebellion, and will not hold ourselves bound by any laws in which we have no voice, or representation.?

Or Do not put such unlimited power into the hands of husbands. Remember all men would be tyrants if they could. ?

I suppose you think communists held sway at the Woman's Rights Convention in 1848 when it produced these words He has endeavored, in every way that he could to destroy her confidence in her own powers, to lessen her self-respect, and to make her willing to lead a dependent and abject life.

Now, in view of this entire disfranchisement of one-half the people of this country, their social and religious degradation,—in view of the unjust laws above mentioned, and because women do feel themselves aggrieved, oppressed, and fraudulently deprived of their most sacred rights, we insist that they have immediate admission to all the rights and privileges which belong to them as citizens of these United States.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-01   11:13:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: diva betsy ross (#45) (Edited)

Feminists are the ones who cause the violence, many times. Feminism is passive agressive baheavior. They demand and create an out of balance system, dominated by women, and people react.

Since they are not able to use logic, they invite violence.

Feminism is illogical and irrational.

So are you saying conservative are prone to deadly violence as a normal reaction to something they don't understand or agree with?

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-03-01   11:15:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: diva betsy ross (#42)

Awesome. :) I hope you will find that feminism is poison. Women who truly beleive in equality ,reject feminism.

Lets be honest- feminism is about female domination.

And I think you've been poisoned with propaganda produced by those who want to enslave you.

Feminism isn't about power over, it's about power with.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-01   11:17:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: diva betsy ross (#43)

Feminists will bring violence upon themselves.

In entering upon the great work before us, we anticipate no small amount of misconception, misrepresentation, and ridicule; but we shall use every instrumentality within our power to effect our object. Woman's Rights Convention, Held at Seneca Falls, N.Y., July 19th and 20th, 1848

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-01   11:20:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: mininggold (#44)

It seems you've really been rattling some cages here today. Surely you know how conservatives hate uppity women. Enough to want to threaten bodily harm to them on the internet it seems.

It is stunning to behold.

Someone said the words "All men are created equal" meant all landed white men when they were written, however, the words had power beyond the author's intent.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-01   11:25:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: diva betsy ross (#45)

No one is threatening violence...

Oh, I guess you missed the picture of a gun posted to me.

Or maybe because you've been trained not to hold a man responsible for his behavior, but to blame a woman, you think that was my doing.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-01   11:28:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: lucysmom (#51) (Edited)

Gun pointed at you? Yeah, I missed that- but like I said, feminists incite violence.

It is true that y'all make people feel like they have to defend themselves so, I wouldn't be surprised.

Oh and I haven't been trained. I just think for myself. When I was a young girl I didn't understand feminism, because it is illogical.

They say they want equality, then they only do what puts them in a position of dominance and that doesn't resonate with my understanding of the word , "equal".

Feminists will lie, cheat and steal .

As a teenager feminism didn't make sense to me because IF women made much less money for doing the same job as a man- then why didn't employers only hire women, and save themselves some money?

Since I saw women staying home and men going off to work- Feminism was not showing me anything real.

Frankly I am surprised at how many men and women fall for the lies of feminism.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-03-01   15:40:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: lucysmom (#49)

You have to remember that feminism is a bunch of lies to many of us. Lies and manipulations and attempting to overthrow what we know is a healthy country is going to cause violence.

Men and women have equal rights. Feminism is a manipulation and distorts the idea of what is good in society.

It is going to make people angry.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-03-01   15:48:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: diva betsy ross (#52)

Gun pointed at you? Yeah, I missed that- but like I said, feminists incite violence.

You didn't read the words I wrote.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-01   15:48:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: diva betsy ross (#52)

Oh and I haven't been trained. I just think for myself. When I was a young girl I didn't understand feminism, because it is illogical.

They say they want equality, then they only do what puts them in a position of dominance and that doesn't resonate with my understanding of the word , "equal".

Feminists will lie, cheat and steal .

Sometimes we only see what fits our schema.

As a teenager feminism didn't make sense to me because IF women made much less money for doing the same job as a man- then why didn't employers only hire women, and save themselves some money?

In many cases employers did hire women over men because they were cheaper - this happened a lot in the trades. I remember my father being really angry, not that women were being hired, but that they were being paid less.

Since I saw women staying home and men going off to work- Feminism was not showing me anything real.

Apparently you think every human being longs to stay home and not go to work - not so. Many people LOVE to work and love the work they do. Maybe your dream was to stay home, however it's not every girl's dream.

If a girl has the ability and wants to be a geologist, or a volcanologist, or a marine biologists, etc., why shouldn't she have the same opportunity as a boy to do so?

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-01   16:08:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: diva betsy ross (#53)

Feminism is a manipulation and distorts the idea of what is good in society.

It is going to make people angry.

I'm sure your words would meet the approval of many a radical Muslim misogynist.

Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-01   16:11:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: diva betsy ross (#53)

You have to remember that feminism is a bunch of lies to many of us. Lies and manipulations and attempting to overthrow what we know is a healthy country is going to cause violence.

Men and women have equal rights. Feminism is a manipulation and distorts the idea of what is good in society.

It is going to make people angry.

No one is stopping you from refusing to vote or buy property. You are able to celebrate the good old non feminism days (that only exist in your imagination) anyway you want.

As most men then would not have approved of women corresponding with men that are not their husbands or brothers, feel free to not post on the internet..

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-03-01   16:35:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: mininggold (#57)

I am not sure what part of the world you live in, however women vote and own property in the United States. Women have every right and opportunity that a man has- and here in the USA women even have special rights.

Here in the US a woman is allowed to kill a child- but a man will go to prison for the same.

In the United States women have been doing all these things for a very long time.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-03-01   21:30:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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