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Did you bother with the source links in the article? It's too easy to brush aside with all of the cp crap to use as cover, isn't it?
#1. To: Robin (#0) (Edited) Remember global warming is a myth...... When a segment of the population has adopted a world view that denies science and tells them that global warming is a myth or a whacky scientist conspiracy to destroy capitalism and then the real world not the talk radio world catches up to them there is shock and denial still. These are conditions we have not seen before and to deny that the climate is changing is to deny reality as it burns around you. Seriously, what happened to the GOP? It used to be the party of people who liked reading Latin and going to the Opera. Now the GOP has become the party where the members would rather watch a rerun of "Hee Haw" than Masterpiece Theater. Destro posted on 2012-06-27 10:29:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #2. To: Destro (#1) And although Greenland’s ice sheets used to get new blankets of snow year-round, Box reports “there’s been little summertime snowfall over the ice sheets since about 2006.” With the Arctic a potent driver of climate across the globe, change at the top of the world will have repercussions elsewhere. Altered wind patterns appear to be one of the earliest symptoms, Richter-Menge says. Over the past several winters, she notes, “we’ve seen where the cold Arctic air isn’t staying in the Arctic any more, but breaking out to head south” into temperate regions. Meanwhile, the more southerly air it’s displacing has been drawn northward, leading to unusually warm Arctic winters. The report’s big take-home message, she says: “These changes represent a persistent condition” — with consequences far beyond the Arctic. " Significant Sea Level Rise in a 2-Degree Warming World * Jun 25, 2012 The study is the first to give a comprehensive projection for this long perspective, based on observed sea-level rise over the past millennium, as well as on scenarios for future greenhouse-gas emissions. "Sea-level rise is a hard to quantify, yet critical risk of climate change," says Michiel Schaeffer of Climate Analytics and Wageningen University, lead author of the study. "Due to the long time it takes for the world's ice and water masses to react to global warming, our emissions today determine sea levels for centuries to come." eponline.com/articles/201...degree-warming-world.aspx We're at a 2C Degree rise now....;} mcgowanjm posted on 2012-06-27 12:29:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Edit #3. To: All (#2) (Edited) Copenhagen climate summit: Five possible scenarios for our future ... www.guardian.co.uk/.../2009/dec/.../copenhagen-five-climate-scenari... Dec 18, 2009 – ... region, southern Africa, Australia and south-west United States. ... A third of the world's species will become extinct as the 2C rise changes their habitats too ... Millions of square kilometres of Amazon rainforest could burn down, ... 1.5C. In southern Africa, Australia and the western US, deserts take over. The Amazon has now become an Emitter of CO2. Formerly one of the last great Sinks.....;} mcgowanjm
wattsupwiththat.com/2012/...es-on-the-heartland-leak/ UPDATE: 11:45AM -The press release has been added below. One of the key documents is a fabrication UPDATE2: 2:30PM The BBC’s Richard Black slimes me, without so much as asking me a single question (he has my email, I’ve corresponded with him previously) or even understanding what the project is about Hint: Richard, it’s about HIGHS and LOWS, not trends. No journalistic integrity with this one. – Anthony I’m surprised at the number of articles out there on this where journalists have not bothered to ask me for a statement, but rather rely on their own opinion. To date, only Suzanne Goldenberg of the Guardian has asked for a statement, and she used very little of it in her article. Her colleague, Leo Hickman asked me no questions at all for his article, but instead relied on a comment I sent to Bishop Hill. So much for journalism. (Update: In response to Hickman, Lucia asks What’s horrible about this?) (Update: 10:45AM Seth Borenstein of the AP has contacted me and I note that has waited until he can get some kind of confirmation that these documents are real. The Heartland press release is something he’s waiting for. Contacting involved parties is the right way to investigate this story.) Here’s the query from Goldenberg: Name: Suzanne Goldenberg Email: suzanne.goldenberg@xxx.xxx Website: www.guardian.co.uk Message: Hello, I am seeking comment on the leak of the Heartland documents by Desmogblog which appear to suggest you are funded by them. Is this accurate? Thanks MY REPLY: =============================================================== Heartland simply helped me find a donor for funding a special project having to do with presenting some new NOAA surface data in a public friendly graphical form, something NOAA themselves is not doing, but should be. I approached them in the fall of 2011 asking for help, on this project not the other way around. They do not regularly fund me nor my WUWT website, I take no salary from them of any kind. It is simply for this special project requiring specialized servers, ingest systems, and plotting systems. They also don’t tell me what the project should look like, I came up with the idea and the design. The NOAA data will be displayed without any adjustments to allow easy side-by-side comparisons of stations, plus other graphical representations output 24/7/365. Doing this requires programming, system design, and bandwidth, which isn’t free and I could not do on my own. Compare the funding I asked for initially to get it started to the millions some other outfits (such as CRU) get in the UK for studies that then end up as a science paper behind a publishers paywall, making the public pay again. My project will be a free public service when finished. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Description from the same (Heartland) documents: Weather Stations Project Every few months, weathermen report that a temperature record – either high or low – has been broken somewhere in the U.S. This is not surprising, since weather is highly variable and reliable instrument records date back less than 100 years old. Regrettably, news of these broken records is often used by environmental extremists as evidence that human emissions are causing either global warming or the more ambiguous “climate change.” Anthony Watts, a meteorologist who hosts WattsUpwithThat.com, one of the most popular and influential science blogs in the world, has documented that many of the temperature stations relied on by weathermen are compromised by heat radiating from nearby buildings, machines, or paved surfaces. It is not uncommon for these stations to over-state temperatures by 3 or 4 degrees or more, enough to set spurious records. Because of Watts’ past work exposing flaws in the current network of temperature stations (work that The Heartland Institute supported and promoted), the National Aeronautics and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), the government agency responsible for maintaining temperature stations in the U.S., has designated a new network of higher-quality temperature stations that meet its citing specifications. Unfortunately, NOAA doesn’t widely publicize data from this new network, and puts raw data in spreadsheets buried on one of its Web sites. Anthony Watts proposes to create a new Web site devoted to accessing the new temperature data from NOAA’s web site and converting them into easy-to-understand graphs that can be easily found and understood by weathermen and the general interested public. Watts has deep expertise in Web site design generally and is well-known and highly regarded by weathermen and meteorologists everywhere. The new site will be promoted heavily at WattsUpwithThat.com. Heartland has agreed to help Anthony raise $88,000 for the project in 2011. The Anonymous Donor has already pledged $44,000. We’ll seek to raise the balance. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ DeSmog, as part of their public relations for hire methodology to demonize skeptics, will of course try to find nefarious motives for this project. But there simply are none here. It’s something that needs doing because NOAA hasn’t made this new data available in a user friendly visual format. For example, here’s a private company website that tracks highs and low records using NOAA data: mapcenter.hamweather.com/records/yesterday/us.html NOAA doesn’t make any kind of presentation like that either, which is why such things are often done by private ventures. ================================================================ That above is what I sent to the Guardian, and also in a comment to Bishop Hill. The reaction has been interesting, particularly since the David-Goliath nature of funding is laid bare here. For example, Al Gore says he started a 300 million dollar advertising campaign. The Daily Bayonet sums it up pretty well: Hippies hate Heartland « The Daily Bayonet What the Heartland document show is how badly warmists have been beaten by those with a fraction of the resources they’ve enjoyed. Al Gore spent $300 million advertising the global warming hoax. Greenpeace, the WWF, the Sierra Club, The Natural Resources Defense Council, NASA, NOAA, the UN and nation states have collectively poured billions into climate research, alternative energies and propaganda, supported along the way by most of the broadcast and print media. Yet they’ve been thwarted by a few honest scientists, a number of blogs and a small pile of cash from Heartland. Here’s a clue for DeSmog, Joe Romm and other warmists enjoying a little schadenfreude today. It’s not the money that’s beating you, it’s the message. Your climate fear-mongering backfired. You cried wolf so often the villagers stopped listening. Then Climategate I & II gave the world a peek behind the curtain into the shady practices, petty-feuding and data-manipulation that seems to pass for routine in climate ‘science’. So enjoy the moment, warmists, because what this episode really demonstrates to the world is how little money was needed to bring the greatest scam in history to its knees. That’s not something I’d think you’d want to advertise, but knock yourselves out. It’s what you do best. I see none of the same people at the Guardian or the blogs complaining about this: Dr. James Hansen’s growing financial scandal, now over a million dollars of outside income NASA records released to resolve litigation filed by the American Tradition Institute reveal that Dr. James E. Hansen, an astronomer, received approximately $1.6 million in outside, direct cash income in the past five years for work related to — and, according to his benefactors, often expressly for — his public service as a global warming activist within NASA. This does not include six-figure income over that period in travel expenses to fly around the world to receive money from outside interests. As specifically detailed below, Hansen failed to report tens of thousands of dollars in global travel provided to him by outside parties — including to London, Paris, Rome, Oslo, Tokyo, the Austrian Alps, Bilbao, California, Australia and elsewhere, often business or first-class and also often paying for his wife as well — to receive honoraria to speak about the topic of his taxpayer-funded employment, or get cash awards for his activism and even for his past testimony and other work for NASA. (Update: Dr. Hansen responds here) Or the NGO’s and their budgets (thanks Tom Nelson) With tiny budgets like $310 million, $100 million, and $95 million respectively, how can lovable underdogs like Greenpeace, Sierra Club, and NRDC *ever* hope to compete with mighty Heartland’s $6.5 million? Heartland Institute budget and strategy revealed | Deep Climate Heartland is projecting a boost in revenues from $4.6 million in 2011, to $7.7 million in 2012. That will enable an operating budget of $6.5 million, as well as topping up the fund balance a further $1.2 million. [Sept 2011]: Greenpeace Environmental Group Turns 40 Greenpeace International, based in Amsterdam, now has offices in more than 40 countries and claims some 2.8 million supporters. Its 1,200-strong staff ranges from “direct action” activists to scientific researchers. Last year, its budget reached $310 million. [Nov 2011]: Sierra Club Leader Will Step Down – NYTimes.com He said the Sierra Club had just approved the organization’s largest annual budget ever, about $100 million for 2012, up from $88 million this year. [Oct 2011]: Do green groups need to get religion? That’s Peter Lehner talking. Peter, a 52-year-old environmental lawyer, is executive director of the Natural Resources Defense Council, one of America’s most important environmental groups. The NRDC has a $95 million budget, about 400 employees and about 1.3 million members. They’re big and they represent a lot of people. But me and my little temperature web project to provide a public service are the real baddies here apparently. The dichotomy is stunning. Some additional added notes: “Because of Watts’ past work exposing flaws in the current network of temperature stations (work that The Heartland Institute supported and promoted), the National Aeronautics and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), the government agency responsible for maintaining temperature stations in the U.S., has designated a new network of higher-quality temperature stations that meet its citing specifications.” For the record, and as previously cited on WUWT, NCDC started on the new network in 2003 www.ncdc.noaa.gov/crn/annual-reports.html Heartland may have confused the Climate Reference Network with the updated COOP/USHCN modernization network which did indeed start after my surfacestations project: What the modernized USHCN will look like (April 29, 2008) They then asked for 100 million to update it NOAA/NCDC – USHCN is broken please send 100 million dollars (Sept 21, 2010) ### Moderators, do your best to keep the sort of hateful messages I’ve been getting in the past 18 hours in check in comments below. Please direct related comments from other threads to this one. Commenters please note the site policy. ============================================================= PRESS RELEASE 11:45 AM – source heartland.org/press-relea...stolen-and-fake-documents FEBRUARY 15, 2012 – The following statement from The Heartland Institute – a free-market think tank – may be used for attribution. For more information, contact Communications Director Jim Lakely at jlakely@heartland.org and 312/377-4000. Yesterday afternoon, two advocacy groups posted online several documents they claimed were The Heartland Institute’s 2012 budget, fundraising, and strategy plans. Some of these documents were stolen from Heartland, at least one is a fake, and some may have been altered. The stolen documents appear to have been written by Heartland’s president for a board meeting that took place on January 17. He was traveling at the time this story broke yesterday afternoon and still has not had the opportunity to read them all to see if they were altered. Therefore, the authenticity of those documents has not been confirmed. Since then, the documents have been widely reposted on the Internet, again with no effort to confirm their authenticity. One document, titled “Confidential Memo: 2012 Heartland Climate Strategy,” is a total fake apparently intended to defame and discredit The Heartland Institute. It was not written by anyone associated with The Heartland Institute. It does not express Heartland’s goals, plans, or tactics. It contains several obvious and gross misstatements of fact. We respectfully ask all activists, bloggers, and other journalists to immediately remove all of these documents and any quotations taken from them, especially the fake “climate strategy” memo and any quotations from the same, from their blogs, Web sites, and publications, and to publish retractions. The individuals who have commented so far on these documents did not wait for Heartland to confirm or deny the authenticity of the documents. We believe their actions constitute civil and possibly criminal offenses for which we plan to pursue charges and collect payment for damages, including damages to our reputation. We ask them in particular to immediately remove these documents and all statements about them from the blogs, Web sites, and publications, and to publish retractions. How did this happen? The stolen documents were obtained by an unknown person who fraudulently assumed the identity of a Heartland board member and persuaded a staff member here to “re-send” board materials to a new email address. Identity theft and computer fraud are criminal offenses subject to imprisonment. We intend to find this person and see him or her put in prison for these crimes. Apologies: The Heartland Institute apologizes to the donors whose identities were revealed by this theft. We promise anonymity to many of our donors, and we realize that the major reason these documents were stolen and faked was to make it more difficult for donors to support our work. We also apologize to Heartland staff, directors, and our allies in the fight to bring sound science to the global warming debate, who have had their privacy violated and their integrity impugned. Lessons: Disagreement over the causes, consequences, and best policy responses to climate change runs deep. We understand that. But honest disagreement should never be used to justify the criminal acts and fraud that occurred in the past 24 hours. As a matter of common decency and journalistic ethics, we ask everyone in the climate change debate to sit back and think about what just happened. Those persons who posted these documents and wrote about them before we had a chance to comment on their authenticity should be ashamed of their deeds, and their bad behavior should be taken into account when judging their credibility now and in the future.
Don't know why that comforts you. Here's a better way to look at it.... Melt Accelerating. So by September you're looking at a plus 1600 GigaTon melt.
Not anymore! roflmao
You are aware are you not that there is always a summer sea ice melt.
You are aware are you not that there is always a summer sea ice melt. SJN Early cartographers were unsure whether to draw the region around the North Pole as land (as in Johannes Ruysch's map of 1507, or Gerardus Mercator's map of 1595) or water (as with Martin Waldseemüller's world map of 1507). The fervent desire of European merchants for a northern passage to "Cathay" (China) caused water to win out, and by 1723 mapmakers such as Johann Homann featured an extensive "Oceanus Septentrionalis" at the northern edge of their charts. The few expeditions to penetrate much beyond the Arctic Circle in this era added only small islands, such as Novaya Zemlya (11th century) and Spitsbergen (1596), though since these were often surrounded by pack-ice their northern limits were not so clear. The makers of navigational charts, more conservative than some of the more fanciful cartographers, tended to leave the region blank, with only fragments of known coastline sketched in. This lack of knowledge of what lay north of the shifting barrier of ice gave rise to a number of conjectures. In England and other European nations, the myth of an "Open Polar Sea" was persistent. John Barrow, long time Second Secretary of the British Admiralty, promoted exploration of the region from 1818 to 1845 in search of this." -wiki Yeah. Everybody went swimming in the Arctic in Summer to escape the heat.....;}
One?? There are so many it'd make McGaia's head spin. Then again he DOES need a exorcism ;-) Jimmy's not so much interested in the TRUTH you've posted as much as catapulting the fake Climatologists' agenda and fake data claims and lies. Moreover, he dovetails this promotion with a barbaric sister-agenda that retards and cuts-off progress for Western Civilization and culls the vast population of the world. IOW, Jimmy's reason for living is promoting his evil Religion of Lies, Hate, and Death. Odd psychopathy and value system, these Tree-Hugging Earth-Firsters who value dolphins and trees over human life.
So by September you're looking at... No sh*t!! Really? Ice melts over the summer in the Northern hemisphere?? Wow....
We don’t have enough long-term data to say what is usual with regard to ice coverage in the arctic or understand the full extent of its natural variation.
Not anymore! roflmao Better hurry over to the USAF Academy That Hot bed of Fundy's....;} They need your help. A degree by degree explanation of what will happen when the earth ... globalwarming.berrens.nl/globalwarming.htm It has been calculated that a one-degree increase would eliminate fresh water from a .... Crops will bake in the fields, and forests will die off and burn. ... When temperatures were last between 1 and 2C higher than they are now, 125000 years ... we're there.
One?? All blown away....;} You guys need to keep up. And Jerusalem is Not the Center of the Universe, and the Earth revolves around the Sun....;} News for Fire epic proportions news Waldo Canyon fire reaches 'epic proportions' Christian Science Monitor - 1 hour ago Waldo Canyon fire: Evacuations continued near Colorado Springs Wednesday as the Waldo Canyon fire is only five percent contained, and ... Tropical Storm Debby rains misery on flooded Florida - Yahoo! News news.yahoo.com/debby-thre...ods-tornadoes-florida-040 18 hours ago – News: TALLAHASSEE, Florida (Reuters) - Tropical Storm Debby ... worst of the worst of hurricanes but never epic flooding of this proportion.
The USAF a "hot bed of Fundy's"?!! roflmao. You're quantitatively insane. "We are in the middle of the most rapid change in the earth’s magnetic field in recorded history. Most notably in the Arctic. We know from the fossil records that major climate change and species extinction are related to magnetic field changes. The Antarctic is cooling, not warming as the south magnetic pole moves away from the geographic pole. The Arctic is warming as the magnetic pole moves towards the geographic pole. CO2 cannot explain this. Charged particles enter the earth’s atmosphere from the sun in fantastic quantities at the magnetic poles. As the magnetic poles move, so does the location of entry of these particles. Completely ignored by the high priests of science in their quest to solve society’s problems through human sacrifice. Be it virgins or carbon tax, the solution is always the same, as are the result. More suffering and no benefit to anyone except the priests."
oooooohhhhh booogedy boogy, there's weather out there. Get under your beds and quiver in fear!
That's Mister Jimmie to you, and you're not reading. Kinda like you Fundy's aren't thinkin'.....;} "(1596), though since these were often surrounded by pack-ice their northern limits were not so clear. " See, Libby, here's the problem. Human Civilization Only exists in the last 12 000 years, 6000 if you're a Fundy. And the ONLY thing Human Civilization has known in those 12 000 years is....wait for it.... the Arctic is ALWAYS covered in thick PERM ICE.... NewNews: www.eurekalert.org/pub_re...012-06/uoma-acm061512.php "In order to quantify the climate differences associated with the variable interglacial intensities, four warm phases were investigated in detail: the two youngest, "normal" interglacials, (ATTN FUNDY'S:) **************** since 12,000 years ***************** and about 125,000 years ago, and two of the "super" interglacials, about 400,000 and about 1.1 million years ago. According to pollen-based climate reconstructions, summer temperatures and annual precipitation during the super interglacials ***********were about 4 to 5 degrees C warmer*************** (Where we'll be in 15 years;) and about 12 inches (300 mm) wetter than during normal interglacials. The super interglacial climates suggest that it's virtually impossible for the Greenland's ice sheet to have existed in its present form at those times. Simulations using a state-of-the-art climate model show that the high temperature and precipitation during the super interglacials cannot be explained by Earth´s orbital parameters or variations in atmospheric greenhouse gases alone, which geologists typically see driving the glacial/interglacial pattern during ice ages. This suggests additional climate feedbacks are at work. The scientists suspect the trigger for intense interglacials might be in Antarctica. Earlier work by the international ANDRILL program discovered recurring intervals when the West Antarctic Ice Sheet melted. The current study shows that some of these events match remarkably well with the super interglacials in the Arctic."
Get under your beds and quiver in fear! so, you agree. thanx, in your back handed way. No. you don't need to be afraid. Just start partying like there's no tomorrow.... O Wait....that's what you've been doin....;}
No. Twitter / AntarcticaNews: CO2 hits 400 ppm in Arctic twitter.com/AntarcticaNews/status/208646137400393730 Jun 1, 2012 – CO2 hits 400 ppm in Arctic, with Antarctic not lagging too far behind - Antarctic Sun goo.gl/fb/mW7nm. Reply; RetweetedRetweet; Delete ... 400 ppm is the 2C degree rise Threshold. We're there....next.....;}
Science does not have high priests. You're confused.
Religion Cannot Will not alleviate human suffering. Which is why it will disappear faster than Arctic ice....;}
And could Not have put it better. The Priests, the Warriors, the Acquisitors All together in their Top .1% enclaves, sheltered for a little while longer from the storm....;}
Again: NEW NEWS: Public release date: 21-Jun-2012 [ Print | E-mail | Share Share ] [ Close Window ] Contact: Janet Lathrop jlathrop@admin.umass.edu 413-545-0444 University of Massachusetts at Amherst Arctic climate more vulnerable than thought, maybe linked to Antarctic ice-sheet behavior DARN THOSE SCIENTIST TO HADES....;} http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_re...012-06/uoma-acm061512.php COLOGNE, Germany; AMHERST, MA, USA; MAGADAN, Russia. -- First analyses of the longest sediment core ever collected on land in the terrestrial Arctic, published this week in Science, provide documentation that intense warm intervals, warmer than scientists thought possible, occurred there over the past 2.8 million years. First analyses of the longest sediment core ever collected on land in the terrestrial Arctic provide documentation that intense warm intervals, warmer than scientists thought possible, occurred there over the past 2.8 million years
#385. To: Robin, All (#0) Does the World flip to an Ice Age with this degree of Warm Up? Again, we're at 2C Degree over 1760 Baseline now. 400 PPM at the Arctic. What to expect as we travel thru to a 6CDegree rise by 2035: A degree by degree explanation of what will happen when the earth warms Even if greenhouse emissions stopped overnight the concentrations already in the atmosphere would still mean a global rise of between 0.5 and 1C. A shift of a single degree is barely perceptible to human skin, but it’s not human skin we’re talking about. It’s the planet; and an average increase of one degree across its entire surface means huge changes in climatic extremes. Six thousand years ago, when the world was one degree warmer than it is now, the American agricultural heartland around Nebraska was desert. It suffered a short reprise during the dust- bowl years of the 1930s, when the topsoil blew away and hundreds of thousands of refugees trailed through the dust to an uncertain welcome further west. The effect of one-degree warming, therefore, requires no great feat of imagination. “The western United States once again could suffer perennial droughts, far worse than the 1930s. Deserts will reappear particularly in Nebraska, but also in eastern Montana, Wyoming and Arizona, northern Texas and Oklahoma. As dust and sandstorms turn day into night across thousands of miles of former prairie, farmsteads, roads and even entire towns will be engulfed by sand.” What’s bad for America will be worse for poorer countries closer to the equator. In order to quantify the climate differences associated with the variable interglacial intensities, four warm phases were investigated in detail: the two youngest, "normal" interglacials, since 12,000 years and about 125,000 years ago, and two of the "super" interglacials, about 400,000 and about 1.1 million years ago. According to pollen-based climate reconstructions, summer temperatures and annual precipitation during the super interglacials were about 4 to 5 degrees C warmer and about 12 inches (300 mm) wetter than during normal interglacials. The super interglacial climates suggest that it's virtually impossible for the Greenland's ice sheet to have existed in its present form at those times. about 4 to 5 degrees C warmer Does the World flip to an Ice Age at this Number?
According to pollen-based climate reconstructions, summer temperatures and annual precipitation during the super interglacials were about 4 to 5 degrees C warmer and about 12 inches (300 mm) wetter than during normal interglacials. The super interglacial climates suggest that it's virtually impossible for the Greenland's ice sheet to have existed in its present form at those times. Simulations using a state-of-the-art climate model show that the high temperature and precipitation during the super interglacials cannot be explained by Earth´s orbital parameters or variations in atmospheric greenhouse gases alone, ************which geologists typically see driving the glacial/interglacial pattern during ice ages. This suggests additional climate feedbacks are at work. ************************** The scientists suspect the trigger for intense interglacials might be in Antarctica. Earlier work by the international ANDRILL program discovered recurring intervals when the West Antarctic Ice Sheet melted. The current study shows that some of these events match remarkably well with the super interglacials in the Arctic.
Human Civilization Only exists in the last 12 000 years, 6000 if you're a Fundy. And the ONLY thing Human Civilization has known in those 12 000 years is....wait for it.... the Arctic is ALWAYS covered in thick PERM ICE.... NewNews: www.eurekalert.org/pub_re...012-06/uoma-acm061512.php You're getting closer to answer my questions, but NO cigar nearly yet, Jimbo... Firstly, your link "proves" Zilch. Secondly, the scientific community has so damaged their cred and rep that ANY claims MUST be iron-clad. Difficult to achieve at this point. Secondly, your timeline is NOT provable because the dating methods are faulty. The super interglacial climates suggest that it's virtually impossible for the Greenland's ice sheet to have existed in its present form at those times.... Keywords: "SUGGEST". And "Virtually". Simulations using a state-of-the-art climate model show that the high temperature and precipitation during the super interglacials cannot be explained by Earth´s orbital parameters or variations in atmospheric greenhouse gases alone, which geologists typically see driving the glacial/interglacial pattern during ice ages. The inexplicable CAN'T be explained by a million and one missing factors. no way, no how. How is that a newsflash or scientific revelation? NO "state-of-art" model can predict future climatology nor simulate past cataclysmic events. The dynamics within the planet Earth (aka Gaia) are NOT stable - have NEVER been. This suggests additional climate feedbacks are at work. No frickin' kidding. The scientists suspect the trigger for intense interglacials might be in Antarctica. Earlier work by the international ANDRILL program discovered recurring intervals when the West Antarctic Ice Sheet melted. The current study shows that some of these events match remarkably well with the super interglacials in the Arctic." Again - scientists "suspect"?? I suspect they're grasping at straws. AS USUAL. Then trying to pawn it off as probable/most likely/factual. Just like the fallacious claim of Ape-to-Man "evolution" as though it were indeed fact... for HOW MANY years did they pull off this charade, Jimmy? Wrap THIS around your head: Why are thousands of dinosaur bones found nearly at earth's surface....and MANY found clumped TOGETHER as though some recent (yes RECENT) event washed them away en masse. Supposedly they existed *millions* of years ago. Why are the bones preserved so well? Why are they found close to the earth's surface and clumped together? Why aren't they found thousands of feet below the surface, deteriorated beyond recognition? Answer: The. Great. Flood. Genesis tells us that during Noah's Great Flood waters gushed FROM WITHIN the earth - as well of course as the constant, prodigious volume of rain. But the biggest factor is the release of waters from WITHIN THE EARTH'S CRUST and volcanic mayhem. Might that event have wreaked havoc on the planet's axis as well and the change in climate AND elimination of certain animals (dinosaurs) and plants while changing the world's geography ever since?
. "MD; LOL! That's all that you have, and all that you know how to do, isn't jimma boy? LOL! What a WEAK assed little cunt you are jimma boy. Every breath you take fucks with America and all decent AMERICAS, you foul little cunt. All you are is the poster child for libTURD "Hate America FIRST!" SCUM. You DESPISE the US CONSTITUTION and the AMERICAN PEOPLE. You even despise your own brother who died a hero's death at ANZIO, you even HATE your mother and her love of your own brother. Yep. YOU ARE SCUM jimma boy. YOU ARE SCUM jimma BOY. (with my sincere apologies to SCUM which suffers in the comparison). -------------------- jimma boy Hate America FIRST! SCUM; "exactly. Signed, Mister Jimmie....;}" ------------- LMAOAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.
a high of 107 at 458pm tied the 32 year old (1980) daily record. Yes it is Texas and it sure does get hot here. So if the record was set in 1980 and just tied yesterday does that mean there was a global cooling period from 1981-2011?
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
Jim here is one for your "revolution." As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
Jimmy....you reading this? It's pretty good. Is this your Utopia? A Commie/Socialist/Progressive rebellion one and all. You're only a tool...until you're no longer a serviceable useful tool. And notice how the Vatican is ALWAYS involved. ALWAYS. The day the Pope kissed (KISSED!) the Koran should have been the day all devoted Catholic Christians got the memo about who and what Pope and Vatican really are and stopped deceiving themselves.
I really like this one.... Chick and his crew are really great at simplifying expectations, events and Scripture - while being educational/entertaining/humorous/provocative.
That was a good one.
Amen to that brother.
Are you sure he isn't spitting on it?
Good Morning, It's over. You can stop donating, protesting, praying, criticizing, or whatever, besides doing as little as possible to cover your footprint on this planet. We've got the facts. The Top 1% for well over 35 years have gone out of their way to lie about what's happening. Good luck with ALL of that Wealth you have. ;} canadianclimateaction.wor...%93-the-1%C2%BA-cover-up/ scienceblog.com/55149/rem...antarctic-climate-change/ ScienceDaily (June 21, 2012) — Intense warm climate intervals--warmer than scientists thought possible--have occurred in the Arctic over the past 2.8 million years.
#1. To: Robin (#0) News Brief – June 26, 2012 Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Tuesday that Iran’s participation was crucial to the success of a meeting on the escalating conflict in Syria planned by the U.N. Arab league peace envoy Kofi Annan has also indicated he wants Iran to participate in the talks in Geneva this weekend. News: U.S. to join Syria parley; Iran not asked AFP UPI.com - 5 hours ago Iran and Saudi Arabia -- on opposing sides of the Syrian conflict -- were not ... after Moscow dropped its insistence Iran be invited to the gathering, a senior ... In Washington, White House spokesman Jay Carney said, "We ... are fu cked....;} mcgowanjm posted on 2012-06-28 7:38:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Edit #2. To: All (#1) Israel will regret to attack Iran: Russia president Visiting Russia Visiting Russia's President Vladimir Putin (L)meets with his Israeli counterpart Shimon Peres as they meet in Jerusalem, on June 25, 2012. Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:47PM Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned the Israeli regime against the consequences of military aggression against Iran, urging Tel Aviv to think well before doing anything it 'will regret later.' "Look at what happened to the Americans in Afghanistan and in Iraq. I told US president Barack Obama the same thing," the visiting president said in a meeting with his Israeli counterpart Shimon Peres on Monday. "Iraq has a pro-Iranian regime after everything that has happened there. These things should be thought out ahead of time before doing something one will regret later," he cautioned."One should not act prematurely." The next war will only last about 12 hours, the USSA hopes. Anything after that and the USSA loses.....;} We'll know in about 6 months.
It's Mister Jimmie to you. And you'd better get over to the USAF Academy pronto. Your Fundy HQ is burning down. This is what a 2C degree rise in the Planet's Temp means. Hope you're near Ft Hood. ALL those tanks now useless.....;} Texas sets POWER USE RECORD, 3 Strait Days.
And who's talkin' revolution? Why? When the USSA collapses by Xmas. Like Robert Gates and the USSR. One minute it's there....and then it's gone like smoke over Colorado Springs....;} I'm thinkin the Taliban set that fire. You better get after 'em....LMAO......;}
ScienceDaily (June 21, 2012) — Intense warm climate intervals--warmer than scientists thought possible--have occurred in the Arctic over the past 2.8 million years. That result comes from the first analyses of the longest sediment cores ever retrieved on land. They were obtained from beneath remote, ice-covered Lake El’gygytgyn (pronounced El’gee-git-gin) (“Lake E”) in the northeastern Russian Arctic. canadianclimateaction.wor...%93-the-1%C2%BA-cover-up/ With a 2 C degree rise The SW USSA burns....see USAF Academy for details.....;}
And here's the bull shite story John Allen NATO/ISAF/USSA want you to believe: "Note: Ali Latifi, a freelance journalist based in Doha, was reporting from the scene of a Taliban attack on a hotel in Kabul, Afghanistan last week in which 23 people were killed. He tells the story of the attack through his interaction with Haider, an Afghan who fought against the Soviet invasion but now guards a cell phone tower from threats that include insurgent sabotage. The story is printed below with permission. By Ali M. Latifi Kabul, Afghanistan — Had this been any other Friday, Mohammed Haider would have been rushing from his home in Paghman to the cell phone antenna he guards day in and day out. Any other Friday and the grey-haired Haider would be watching hundreds of cars on their way to picnics in the scenic Qargha lake and by the fountains of Paghman, a town just outside Kabul. But this wasn’t any other Friday, and Haider, after being kept up all night from gunshots and blasts at the nearby Spozhmai Hotel, headed to his post guarding an Etisalat telecom tower. There he stood, as he always has, atop a hill overlooking the hotel that went from being the site of a joyful twenty-second birthday party to the scene of the first Taliban attack specifically targeting civilians since the latest round of war erupted in Afghanistan in the autumn of 2001......;} And here's what happened.... OVer 300 NGO's, 'missionaries', diplomats, afghan interior, and NATO, were shot dead. Afghan Commander, anonymous, 'I have never seen so much destruction.'
You need to really focus on USSA defense now. They need you bad. Admiral: US Supplies to Afghanistan Triple in Cost Without Pakistan Route Supply Route Strong, But Pricey by Jason Ditz, June 27, 2012 Print This | Share This In comments today Vice Admiral Mark Harnitchek, the director of the Defense Logistics Agency, provided some of the most specific details about the costs of the supply lines for the NATO occupation of Afghanistan yet seen by the public. We're out by Xmas. And Russia's the Only way out....;}
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#1452. To: SJN, A K A Stone (#0)
#1453. To: mcgowanjm (#1450)
#1454. To: SJN (#1447)
#1455. To: All (#1453)
The stolen documents were obtained by an unknown person
#1456. To: mcgowanjm (#1454)
#1457. To: SJN (#1456)
#1456. To: mcgowanjm (#1454)
#1458. To: SJN, mcgowanjm (#1455)
One of the key documents is a fabrication...
#1459. To: mcgowanjm (#1454)
Melt Accelerating.
#1460. To: mcgowanjm (#1457)
#1461. To: SJN (#1455)
The stolen documents were obtained by an unknown person
#1462. To: Liberator (#1458)
One of the key documents is a fabrication...
#1463. To: mcgowanjm (#1461)
#1464. To: mcgowanjm (#1462)
#1465. To: Liberator (#1459)
(1596), though since these were often surrounded by pack-ice their northern limits were not so clear.
#1466. To: SJN (#1464)
oooooohhhhh booogedy boogy, there's weather out there.
#1467. To: SJN (#1463)
The Antarctic is cooling
#1468. To: SJN (#1463)
high priests of science
#1469. To: SJN (#1463)
their quest to solve society’s problems through human sacrifice.
#1470. To: SJN (#1463)
More suffering and no benefit to anyone except the priests."
#1471. To: SJN (#1460)
We don’t have enough long-term data to say what is usual with regard to ice coverage in the arctic or understand the full extent of its natural variation.
#1472. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#1473. To: SJN, All (#1460)
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We don’t have enough long-term data to say what is usual with regard to ice coverage in the arctic or understand the full extent of its natural variation.
#1474. To: mcgowanjm (#1465)
See, Libby, here's the problem.
#1475. To: mcgowanjm (#1435)
#1476. To: mcgowanjm (#1436)
WACO RECORD HEAT
#1477. To: mcgowanjm (#1473)
#1478. To: mcgowanjm, Liberator, TooConservative, A K A Stone (#1436)
#1479. To: redleghunter, mcgowanjm, TooConservative, A K A Stone (#1478)
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Jim here is one for your "revolution."
#1480. To: redleghunter (#1477)
#1481. To: redleghunter (#1478)
#1482. To: Liberator (#1479)
The day the Pope kissed (KISSED!) the Koran should have been the day all devoted Catholic Christians got the memo about who and what Pope and Vatican really are and stopped deceiving themselves.
#1483. To: Liberator (#1479)
The day the Pope kissed (KISSED!) the Koran should have been the day all devoted Catholic Christians got the memo about who and what Pope and Vatican really are and stopped deceiving themselves.
#1484. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#1485. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#1486. To: redleghunter (#1478)
#1487. To: All (#1486)
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