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Published: Feb 26, 2012
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Tomsk - Nov 1, 2012 by Ugo Bardi

cassandralegacy.blogspot.com/

[quote] In a way, oil extraction is a big chemical reaction where oil and oxygen are the reactants and human beings are the catalyst. It is impressive that these models work so well in some historical cases - not all cases, of course: the world's economy is a complicated system. But the fact that it is a complicated system doesn't mean that it doesn't obey the laws of physics. When there are no more reactants, the reaction must end. [/quote]

[quote] 3. Oil: the present situation

So much for the so called "Hubbert model". It is an interesting model, but you have to remember that models are always approximations of reality. This is valid in chemistry just as well as in oil production. So, let's go see some data about the real world, here, for instance this one (taken from Wikipedia):[/quote]

[img]3.bp.blogspot.com/-AoMeOR...ducing_Counties.png[/img]

[quote] Note also that the high cost of extraction is not the only problem. As more effort is made to extract from expensive resources, we see that we produce more CO2 for the same amounts of energy generated. And this has an impact on climate. Even here in Russia. Let me just show to you the fires in East Siberia of this year - one of the consequences of climate change.[/quote]

[img]3.bp.blogspot.com/-70m7c5...astsiberiafires.png[/img]

And here'swhere Ugo loses the thread:

[quote]Nuclear plants or renewable energy, possibly both things, but it is essential that we develop and install new forms of energy in the future.

This is the crucial point and the big challenge we face. Either we succeed in developing and using these new methods, or we'll have big, big troubles. And, as you saw, catalysis is a fundamental factor in these new perspectives. It is fascinating field to work in. It has always been one and now it is even more so![/quote]

And so the takeaway:

We can continue with fossil fuel liquids, but we'll need to convert CO2 to CO to oil.

And to do that, get some Nukes/Wind/New Planet....and we're Good to Go.... :twisted:

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