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Title: Have seen effects of Keystone pipeline
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Yuma Sun
URL Source: http://www.yumasun.com/opinion/keystone-76953-yuma-canada.html
Published: Feb 23, 2012
Author: Anthony James Fornof
Post Date: 2012-02-25 23:05:01 by lucysmom
Keywords: None
Views: 42332
Comments: 95
I would like to respond to Charles Davison's Feb. 13 letter to the editor regarding the Keystone XL pipeline. As a summer resident for some years now of Day County in South Dakota, I have observed firsthand some of the effects of the first Keystone pipeline now in operation. I am taken aback by Davison's statement that “the dangers of a leaking pipeline into the aquifers is nothing.” It is certainly nothing to him if it is not his water or land being contaminated. Keystone has had 13 leaks on U.S. soil since going operational. One in Day County was not reported to any government agency at the time of the spill. Lucky for Day County residents, it was a somewhat small and contained spill. Canada's part of the Keystone pipeline has had 21 spills. The jobs have been a fraction of what has been realized. All of the Native American tribes in our area were opposed to Keystone and are currently opposed to Keystone XL. Trans Canada (KSPL) got $2.85 million in tax credits and has paid $2.95 million in state property taxes. This is a half to a third of what they projected to pay. When right-of-way contracts were being negotiated with landowners, they were given the options of taking Trans Canada's deal or were told the right of way would be taken through eminent domain — their property being condemned. This was told to me directly by one of Trans Canada's negotiating agents. In Davison's letter, he advocates the government mandate the oil be sold domestically. Is he for more government control? Does he realize this oil is not “drilled” for but comes from “open pit” like operations in Canada? Our government does not tell Canada how or where to conduct the exploiting of its natural resources. Keystone XL oil will be sent to Texas and refined mostly into diesel fuel to be shipped to South American and European markets. Keystone XL will, by most accounts, cause our domestic fuel prices to rise.
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#1. To: A K A Stone, Anti-ping to Eric, Fred Mertz, Godwinson, go65, war, no gnu taxes, Skip Intro, ferret mike, jwpegler, brian s, mininggold, mcgowanjm (#0)
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Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Oh, great. I'll have to buy a bicycle.
You need to sell your car and start walking.
Why can't I have a bicycle like Fred?
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
By what mysterious mechanism does an causes an increase in the global oil supply, cause prices to rise?
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Nah... Never happen. If nothing else, she'll buy an electric car, in the belief that the electrical energy to charge it is magically created in the plug. When I look at the stupidity she posts, I feel most sorry for her daughter. To have such a stupid bitch for a mom, has to be a real bummer.
To: mcToejam, rat-boy, drippy, Alzheimer Fred, whitesands, t-bird, loonymom/ming, e-type jackoff, goober56, wreck, cal-CON, rabid dog, dummy DwarF, biff, harrowup the communist, and meguro. You're on the "a waste of human flesh" list. Piss off.
Want to see the effects of leftard loonytoon eco-moonbats domestic energy policies? Check out the prices at the gas stations, look at the prices of food and everything else skyrocketing because of shipping costs. Look at more layoffs by US industry because it can't make product at a competitive price when their energy bills keep going up higher and higher. And all this silly shit it unnecessary, it's economic suicide committed for absolutely no logical reason.
Why can't I have a bicycle like Fred? Because it takes fuel to make a bicycle.
Because it takes fuel to make a bicycle. Buy a poopmobile instead the fuel is free..... especially in the most heavily populated areas!!! "The trouble with our liberal friends are not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."
That's a good question. I found an article that answers your question and posted it; below is a link. Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Oh Eric, you're such a silly boy. When I look at the stupidity she posts, I feel most sorry for her daughter. To have such a stupid bitch for a mom, has to be a real bummer. A friend of my mother's had a husband that talked like you. Their son acted on the values expressed by his dad and as a result was arrested and spent some time in jail as a teenager. For the dad, his chickens came home to roost when HE was investigated and his job, that required a security clearance, was put at risk. It took the father a long time to grasp the fact that the language he used and values he expressed had influenced his son - word to the wise.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Ok, 'spane how supply is up, demand is down and prices are rising.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Environmental over regulation.
Locally we have a beautiful park, complete with hiking trails, a golf course, a lake for sailing, built on the site of a dump. The city funded site clean-up and construction by converting methane into electricity (see Eric, I do to know electricity isn't made at the plug) and selling it.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
I know that's a Republican talking point - I'm wondering if you really know what that means.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
And so many regulations are at the behest of businesses trying to corner the various markets. Because the dirty little secret is: free marketeers really do hate competition.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
No kidding! Just like they justify big financial rewards because they are "the risk takers" while seeking guarantees, and tax breaks because they are risk adverse. They demand safety and comfort to preform their market magic which may, or may not come to pass. When they fail to deliver on the promise, it's not their fault, it's the government's. "Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains." Thomas Jefferson
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
It means sometimes they go overboard on the hoops they make a company go through in order to do business in California.
How does California's environmental regulations impact the Keystone XL pipeline?
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
We are talking about this quote from you. "Ok, 'spane how supply is up, demand is down and prices are rising."
Yeah, what has that got to do with gas prices outside California?
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
"Ok, 'spane how supply is up, demand is down and prices are rising." California gets most of it's oil from SA and other foreign sources. It tends to be more expensive and the lobbyist for users and businesses in the Midwest that depend on cheaper oil prices to stay competitive, want to keep it that way.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Gas prices are higher in California. I can get a gallon for 3.57 today, maybe cheaper. What about California?
I just told you we subsidize the cheaper energy in the Midwest by buying our supply from more expensive sources. You should be grateful.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Why do you think I should be grateful? Why did you say that?
Why did you post that to Lucy? Don't you understand English? Do you really want Californians competing with you for oil? I thought you already knew the principles of THE FREE MARKET.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Because I was hoping you would slip up so I would know you are both the same person.
Why do you have to be so dishonest? We are very different people who just happen to have some issues in common.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
I wasn't being dishonest. I told you exactly why. You two just pop up within minutes of each other regluarly. Like 9am then 9:02. Then later at night like 10:59 then 11:00. Not conclusive though. I'll try again in a few months to get you to slip up again.
You two just pop up within minutes of each other regluarly. Like 9am then 9:02. Then later at night like 10:59 then 11:00. Not conclusive though. I'll try again in a few months to get you to slip up again. That was after you already tried to deceive. We are both on PST that's why.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
You didn't think that up all by yourself, you got it from Eric - you should know better.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
By that time, I'm in bed asleep.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Back to the issue of California's environmental regulations, do you remember what the bay area air quality was like in the 60s and 70s?
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
There are places here in Oregon with a similar price. And here it's illegal to pump your own gas. I haven't pumped my own gasoline in years, they have to hire attendants here to do that. It should be like that everywhere as it creates good, entry level jobs. And it hasn't led to higher gas prices here.
I do. It was extraordinarily horrible. Many people in other parts of the country have problems comprehending the shear size of the fleet of privately owned cars in California. The current regulations passed because it was a matter of survival to do so.
There must be a whole bunch of morons there for a law like that.
Maybe Kroger should have to hire someone to walk you through the store and put your groceries in the cart huh?
I remember the smog when the population wasn't half what it is now and I lived in the East Bay where it wasn't considered that bad. We did hold horse shows in Rodeo on weekends and by three o'clock in the afternoon everyone complained of headaches from the Union 76 pollution. I also remember going down the Santa Ana Freeway in the late seventies and not being able to see Santa Ana or even the car in front.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
It's the way people here want it. They have tried to make self serve legal time to time, but the people always vote such measures down. The same with a sales tax, we have never had one. They have never been able to pass a measure making one. Again, it's the preference of the people in this state.
Until the early seventies having attendants pump your gas was pretty much the standard across the country.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Maybe people in your state are just to stupid to pump it themselves. Or are they lazy and stuck up?
So. When you used to go to the store they would go get you the merchandise just like I said about Kroger.
I thought you guys just loved those good old days. Was your grandfather lazy and stuck up too?
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
I don't know if there is a 'Kroger' here. I go to the Red Apple or Fred Meyers. Freddys has self serve cashier stations, but I always use a cashier, again, most people here do. The self serve check out points are not very popular here and they have trouble getting people to use them.
Some stores yes others no. Self serve gas started as an advertising gimmick, with the gas initially sold at a discount.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
It is about freedom baby. Freedom to choose. A law that says you can't pump your own gas is undue interference in a private business.
Freedom to choose. The way it should be.
We have a grocery chain here with all self serve cashiers. The kids love it as they get to buy booze without being carded.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Yep, the people of Oregon got to choose and they chose no self serve. No one makes anyone live in Oregon.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
It is actually a testament to the success of regulations that people like Stone think we don't need them.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
There is always unintended consequences to such back gimmicks. I was a cashier in 7 Elevens as a youth. It's one of the ways I afforded to go to college, I never took out loans. I was a stickler for I.D and very good at catching shoplifters. The las store I worked at is by the University of Oregon Campus when the parents of the guy who runs it now with his boyfriend ran it. They still own it but are retired. The frat boys and sorority girls called me 'Little Hitler' because stealing was a game to them and I was good at spoiling it. I wouldn't want a job like that these days though. The 7 Eleven on Blair Blvd near my place is a zoo. And I never liked selling booze or cigarettes anyway. I'm personally not into either.
It was as bad then as Beijing is now. A friend tells a story about moving to a new house and being stunned one morning, after a rain, to discover there was a view of a mountain from his bathroom window.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
it creates good, entry level jobs Most people don't want to be forced to have a communist wiccan tree hugger pump their gas. Those pump jockeys could be out doing something useful, like cutting down trees to stimulate the Oregon economy. The state has been in an economic depression since the eco-nuts shut down the logging industry, many decades ago.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Freedom doesn't mean other assholes voting to take your freedom away. That isn't free at all. Are you really that dumb?
I believe this. The first time I was in the LA area in Costa Mesa in the mid 1970s and I left the hotel one morning and was stunned to see the mountains in the distance for the first time. The weather had changed and blown out most the greenish and stinky smog. I was stunned to see them; I had had no idea they were there all that first week before this.
They pumped gas, checked the oil, added water to the radiator and window washers if needed; same with air in the tires, AND washed your windows. In addition they gave away dishes, sets of flatware, glasses, and toys.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
I don't believe that. Because I'm sure they use the same systems there as here. It takes a cashier to ring up alcohol. Even if you are self scanning. And it isn't a gimmick Mike.
Or maybe you think you live in the best of all possible wolds because you don't know any better.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
That isn't free at all. Are you really that dumb? Since no one forces anyone to live in Oregon, the only alternative is to mount a campaign to have the laws changed if one wants to stay there inspite of such heinous restrictions on their freedoms.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
The 'communist' part of that is your delusion. In any event; I've worked as a bicycle mechanic, and would never pump gas. I am not into car culture. I have owned very few cars. In fact, my last new car was a Ford Pinto.
I can imagine.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
And it isn't a gimmick Mike. They added that little feature about two months after lots of parents complained about Johnny and his friends getting drunk in the backyard. But the kids still brag about being able to circumvent it.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
I don't recall anyone ever asking or caring what the religion or politics of the person pumping gas was. Guess it takes a 21st century "real conservative" to think of that.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
I remember that. "You can trust your car to the man who wears the star" was the Texico motto. The lowest price I remember for gas was 19 cents a gallon during the gas price wars of the 1950s. We bought gas then at the local Esso station. They always checked the oil and tire air pressure. And it was required to be 'service with a smile.' Good luck getting that today. ;-D
Everyone in Hondo's world must be able to prove their bonafides before he will pay them for their service. I feel sorry for the waitresses.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
I'm willing to sacrifice the freedom to pump my own gas - guess that's what makes me a libtard.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
Oh the oppression!
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
The real conservatives seem to have taken a hike.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
My grandmother said she hated that freedom after almost every gas station turned self serve.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Different states do alcohol sales differently. California is very lax; you can buy hard liquor at grocery stores. In Oregon, one has to go to a state owned store to buy hard booze. The ID requirement and other ways to stop kids from buying booze have ingenious workarounds to them the kids are incredibly good at finding. I believe what she says. It's easy for people of any age to get alcohol in California. Not so much here in Oregon though. Liquor is very tightly regulated. The population size determines how many state 'Green Front' stores exist in any given community here. And the state sends people out to test the security protocols for beer and wine sales. If you sell to an undercover operative working for OLCC agents, you get a huge fine and lose your beer and wine selling license very easily here.
Particularly in the rain or on a cold morning, I bet.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
They just don't have that same perspective of trends and business cycles, and are unwilling to do the research where they would find that history has again repeated itself.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Last time I drive to California, I let my nephew do the fuel pumping. I'm so unused to doing that chore I am not sure of all the nuances to it anymore. I'd probably leave the gas cap on the roof of the car anyway and lose it when I drive off. You know how dumb us Oregonians are . ;-D
You can buy hard liquor and groceries at some gas stations. Safeway sells gas at some locations.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
They seem to fall for the same old "pay more get less is freedom" line over and over again.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
I'd probably leave the gas cap on the roof of the car anyway and lose it when I drive off. You know how dumb us Oregonians are . ;-D One tip. After you have finished pumping and the pump is turned off, there is still some gas in the hose that you can tap.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Albertson's and Fred Meyers sells gas here. So dose the Walmarts here I believe, but I've never been to one locally and I don't recall what they have. Both of them are off the beaten path of the bicycle paths and routes; and I normally always ride a bicycle anyway, even to work. ;-)
So you would support a nation wide law requireing service station employees to pump your gas? Should the also be required to check your tires, and wash your windshields too? Should the bagboy be required to walk your groceries to your car. It would "create jobs" as some moron said on this thread.
I use more gas in the Winter. Lately I buy 10-20 dollars worth a week. I use a Burley trailer to get groceries home and do what shopping I can bu bicycle, but I need the car for a couple of things during the week when I do volunteer work for older folks. In the summer I do use the Ford Windstar to take m booth and goods down to the Saturday Market. I sell hand craft items there. Thanks for the tip. I'm sure I'll use it sometime the next time I.m out of state. I went to Connecticut last summer, but I wound up flying, and relatives there did most the driving when I was there. It was harder to use my bicycle on the road system back there. It was good to get back to Eugene and it's top quality bicycle path and route system. I don't like living anywhere I can't ride a bicycle to do what I need to do.
I've noticed at some gas stations a trickle will continue to come out even when you reach your limit. Not just the stuff left in the hose.
I use at least 20 a day.
Those are the pumps to remember.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
And the economy has gotten so much better than it was in the 50s and 60s before automatic tellers, self service gas, and all those other do it yourself amenities, yes? (not) If you want to prime the pump of any economy, you need jobs at all levels; including easy, entry level ones. The more we automate jobs out of existence, the more stagnant out economy gets. Jobs that kids can do that teaches them how to be self sufficient workers are not a bad idea. In fact, only a moron would think otherwise.
Maybe the economy was better back then had nothing to do with various self service aparateus and more to with a higher percentage of white people? Or maybe the reason the economy went bad is because back then they didn't have Diet Coke and now we do.
In fact, only a moron would think otherwise. So tell me about your proposed law to make automation illegal to save the jobs. This should be humorous. Go ahead.
I would hate to have to use my car every day for everything. That would drive me nuts. I ride 12 miles round trip to work five days a week, and quite often it's my most enjoyable part of the day. Most of the route is dedicated bicycle paths, or which there are a lot of here. 10-15 percent of Eugeneans ride their bicycles to work. many businesses have bicycle security storage or bike rooms, and even showers for employees who bike and have a tighter dress code than most. Portland which is much larger has a lot of cyclists too. They also have reduced car use with light rail and a very modern, well run mass transit system; TriMet.
Who's talking about passing laws to 'make things illegal?' I believe people don't always thing through the consequences of new ways of doing things. I believe that educating to prompt consumers to demand services be given in another way is the best way to improve things. For example, I never use an ATM, I always go into the Credit Union and use a human teller. I do the same buying groceries; I use the manned registers, not the automatic ones.
Or maybe the reason the economy went bad is because back then they didn't have Diet Coke and now we do." Slave labor is a big component of the past U.S. economy that made this an economic powerhouse. If Caucasian people had had to do all their labor back then, I doubt we would have grown as big and as fast as a nation as we did. The color of people's skin today has nothing to do with making the econmy good or bad. As for aspartame and other poisons in diet drinks, I don't like them; in fact, I don't drink soda pop. I prefer water to it. I avoid foods with sugar.
You. You said you support voters passing a law to make it illegal to have self service gas stations. Is your memory that bad?
What an idea - create more jobs by offering personal service. We used to do that in the old days.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
You are the goofy one here. I said they tried to make it legal to do that. It has never been legal to pump your own gas in Oregon. When it came time to make that determination, Oregonians opted not to go there. I actually at the time of the first vote I took part in in the early 1970s I voted for self serve. later on I changed my mind and voted against it on a later vote trying to legalize self serve gas. You should get your ears cleaned. Somehow you got this all twisted around in your pointy little head. You shouldn't ask if someone is being stupid; you could find out you are the one who just did not listen. As in this case.
Same thing. You support a law limiting self service gas stations. You live in a state of morons. Or an enclave of morons. I think I'm going to go squash a cockroach.
The law would of made it legal to pump gas in Oregon, changing the way it has been since gasoline pumping started. Which is anything but the same thing. The current laws hurts nothing. If you have a commercial fleet of vehicles, you get an account at a commercial station and you can pump your own using your access card and pin. The sites are unmanned, and located in industrial areas. The system has been very flexible and works well. And if it's not broken, and people like the way we do things currently, who are you to call them morons just because the majority voted the way you wouldn't?
Who? Newt? Rick? Which one?
I take a little old lady shopping on Fridays at her favorite grocery store - the commissary. The baggers work for tips and make a living doing it. Marie, one of the baggers, has been doing it for 35 years. She and I are friends of sorts. The baggers usually (95%) take the customers' groceries from the cash register to the vehicle in the parking lot. Sometimes you are so clueless Stone.
Keystone XL oil will be sent to Texas and refined mostly into diesel fuel to be shipped to South American and European markets. Keystone XL will, by most accounts, cause our domestic fuel prices to rise.
#2. To: lucysmom (#0)
Keystone XL will, by most accounts, cause our domestic fuel prices to rise.
#3. To: lucysmom (#1)
#4. To: A K A Stone, Fred Mertz (#3)
You need to sell your car and start walking.
#5. To: lucysmom, *Liberal Rehab Staff* (#0)
be shipped to South American and European markets. Keystone XL will, by most accounts, cause our domestic fuel prices to rise.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#6. To: A K A Stone (#3)
You need to sell your car and start walking.
#7. To: lucysmom (#0)
Have seen effects of Keystone pipeline
#8. To: lucysmom (#4)
You need to sell your car and start walking.
#9. To: A K A Stone, lucysmom, Fred Mertz (#8)
You need to sell your car and start walking. Why can't I have a bicycle like Fred?
#10. To: hondo68 (#5)
By what mysterious mechanism does an causes an increase in the global oil supply, cause prices to rise?
#11. To: Capitalist Eric (#6)
If nothing else, she'll buy an electric car, in the belief that the electrical energy to charge it is magically created in the plug.
#12. To: Happy Quanzaa (#7)
Want to see the effects of leftard loonytoon eco-moonbats domestic energy policies? Check out the prices at the gas stations, look at the prices of...yada, yada, yada.
#13. To: lucysmom (#12)
Ok, 'spane how supply is up, demand is down and prices are rising.
#14. To: CZ82 (#9)
Buy a poopmobile instead the fuel is free..... especially in the most heavily populated areas!!!
#15. To: A K A Stone (#13)
Environmental over regulation.
#16. To: lucysmom (#15)
I know that's a Republican talking point - I'm wondering if you really know what that means.
#17. To: mininggold (#16)
And so many regulations are at the behest of businesses trying to corner the various markets. Because the dirty little secret is: free marketeers really do hate competition.
#18. To: lucysmom (#15)
I know that's a Republican talking point - I'm wondering if you really know what that means.
#19. To: A K A Stone (#18)
It means sometimes they go overboard on the hoops they make a company go through in order to do business in California.
#20. To: lucysmom (#19)
How does California's environmental regulations impact the Keystone XL pipeline?
#21. To: A K A Stone (#20)
"Ok, 'spane how supply is up, demand is down and prices are rising."
#22. To: A K A Stone (#20)
(Edited)
We are talking about this quote from you.
#23. To: lucysmom (#21)
Yeah, what has that got to do with gas prices outside California?
#24. To: A K A Stone (#23)
Gas prices are higher in California. I can get a gallon for 3.57 today, maybe cheaper. What about California?
#25. To: lucysmom (#21)
I just told you we subsidize the cheaper energy in the Midwest by buying our supply from more expensive sources. You should be grateful.
#26. To: A K A Stone, lucysmom (#25)
Why do you think I should be grateful? Why did you say that?
#27. To: mininggold (#26)
Why did you post that to Lucy? Don't you understand English?
#28. To: A K A Stone, lucysmom (#27)
Because I was hoping you would slip up so I would know you are both the same person.
#29. To: mininggold (#28)
Why do you have to be so dishonest? We are very different people who just happen to have some issues in common.
#30. To: A K A Stone (#29)
I wasn't being dishonest. I told you exactly why.
#31. To: A K A Stone (#29)
You two just pop up within minutes of each other regluarly. Like 9am then 9:02. Then later at night like 10:59 then 11:00. Not conclusive though. I'll try again in a few months to get you to slip up again.
#32. To: mininggold, A K A Stone (#30)
Then later at night like 10:59 then 11:00.
#33. To: mininggold (#28)
We are very different people who just happen to have some issues in common.
#34. To: A K A Stone (#23)
"Gas prices are higher in California. I can get a gallon for 3.57 today, maybe cheaper. What about California?"
#35. To: lucysmom (#33)
"Back to the issue of California's environmental regulations, do you remember what the bay area air quality was like in the 60s and 70s?"
#36. To: Ferret Mike (#34)
There are places here in Oregon with a similar price. And here it's illegal to pump your own gas.
#37. To: Ferret Mike (#34)
It should be like that everywhere as it creates good, entry level jobs. And it hasn't led to higher gas prices here.
#38. To: lucysmom (#33)
Back to the issue of California's environmental regulations, do you remember what the bay area air quality was like in the 60s and 70s?
#39. To: A K A Stone (#36)
#40. To: A K A Stone (#37)
Maybe Kroger should have to hire someone to walk you through the store and put your groceries in the cart huh?
#41. To: Ferret Mike (#39)
It's the way people here want it. They have tried to make self serve legal time to time, but the people always vote such measures down.
#42. To: mininggold (#40)
Until the early seventies having attendants pump your gas was pretty much the standard across the country.
#43. To: A K A Stone (#41)
Maybe people in your state are just to stupid to pump it themselves. Or are they lazy and stuck up?
#44. To: A K A Stone (#37)
"Maybe Kroger should have to hire someone to walk you through the store and put your groceries in the cart huh?"
#45. To: A K A Stone (#42)
So. When you used to go to the store they would go get you the merchandise just like I said about Kroger.
#46. To: mininggold (#43)
I thought you guys just loved those good old days. Was your grandfather lazy and stuck up too?
#47. To: mininggold (#45)
Some stores yes others no.
#48. To: Ferret Mike (#44)
Freddys has self serve cashier stations, but I always use a cashier, again, most people here do. The self serve check out points are not very popular here and they have trouble getting people to use them.
#49. To: A K A Stone (#46)
It is about freedom baby. Freedom to choose.
#50. To: Ferret Mike (#35)
The current regulations passed because it was a matter of survival to do so.
#51. To: mininggold (#48)
"We have a grocery chain here with all self serve cashiers. The kids love it as they get to buy booze without being carded."
#52. To: mininggold (#38)
I also remember going down the Santa Ana Freeway in the late seventies and not being able to see Santa Ana or even the car in front.
#53. To: Ferret Mike (#34)
here it's illegal to pump your own gas
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#54. To: mininggold (#49)
Yep, the people of Oregon got to choose and they chose no self serve.
#55. To: lucysmom (#52)
"A friend tells a story about moving to a new house and being stunned one morning, after a rain, to discover there was a view of a mountain from his bathroom window."
#56. To: mininggold (#40)
Until the early seventies having attendants pump your gas was pretty much the standard across the country.
#57. To: Ferret Mike, mininggold (#51)
The kids love it as they get to buy booze without being carded."
#58. To: A K A Stone (#41)
Maybe people in your state are just to stupid to pump it themselves.
#59. To: A K A Stone (#54)
(Edited)
Freedom doesn't mean other assholes voting to take your freedom away.
#60. To: hondo68 (#53)
"Most people don't want to be forced to have a communist wiccan tree hugger pump their gas."
#61. To: mininggold (#48)
The kids love it as they get to buy booze without being carded.
#62. To: A K A Stone (#57)
(Edited)
don't believe that. Because I'm sure they use the same systems there as here. It takes a cashier to ring up alcohol. Even if you are self scanning.
#63. To: hondo68 (#53)
Most people don't want to be forced to have a communist wiccan tree hugger pump their gas.
#64. To: lucysmom (#56)
"They pumped gas, checked the oil, added water to the radiator and window washers if needed; same with air in the tires, AND washed your windows. In addition they gave away dishes, sets of flatware, glasses, and toys."
#65. To: lucysmom (#63)
I don't recall anyone ever asking or caring what the religion or politics of the person pumping gas was. Guess it takes a 21st century "real conservative" to think of that.
#66. To: mininggold (#59)
...inspite of such heinous restrictions on their freedoms.
#67. To: Ferret Mike (#64)
They always checked the oil and tire air pressure. And it was required to be 'service with a smile.'
#68. To: mininggold, Ferret Mike (#65)
#69. To: lucysmom (#66)
I'm willing to sacrifice the freedom to pump my own gas - guess that's what makes me a libtard.
#70. To: A K A Stone (#57)
I don't believe that. Because I'm sure they use the same systems there as here. It takes a cashier to ring up alcohol. Even if you are self scanning.
#71. To: mininggold (#69)
My grandmother said she hated that freedom after almost every gas station turned self serve.
#72. To: lucysmom (#68)
The real conservatives seem to have taken a hike.
#73. To: lucysmom (#71)
(Edited)
#74. To: Ferret Mike (#70)
Different states do alcohol sales differently. California is very lax; you can buy hard liquor at grocery stores.
#75. To: mininggold (#72)
(Edited)
They just don't have that same perspective of trends and business cycles, and are unwilling to do the research where they would find that history has again repeated itself.
#76. To: Ferret Mike (#73)
Last time I drive to California, I let my nephew do the fuel pumping. I'm so unused to doing that chore I am not sure of all the nuances to it anymore.
#77. To: mininggold (#74)
#78. To: lucysmom (#67)
Oh the oppression!
#79. To: mininggold (#76)
"One tip. After you have finished pumping and the pump is turned off, there is still some gas in the hose that you can tap."
#80. To: mininggold (#76)
One tip. After you have finished pumping and the pump is turned off, there is still some gas in the hose that you can tap.
#81. To: Ferret Mike (#79)
I use more gas in the Winter. Lately I buy 10-20 dollars worth a week.
#82. To: A K A Stone (#80)
I've noticed at some gas stations a trickle will continue to come out even when you reach your limit. Not just the stuff left in the hose.
#83. To: A K A Stone (#78)
"It would "create jobs" as some moron said on this thread."
#84. To: Ferret Mike (#83)
nd the economy has gotten so much better than it was in the 50s and 60s before automatic tellers, self service gas, and all those other do it yourself amenities, yes? (not)
#85. To: Ferret Mike (#83)
The more we automate jobs out of existence, the more stagnant out economy gets. Jobs that kids can do that teaches them how to be self sufficient workers are not a bad idea.
#86. To: A K A Stone (#81)
#87. To: A K A Stone (#85)
#88. To: A K A Stone (#84)
"Maybe the economy was better back then had nothing to do with various self service apparatus and more to with a higher percentage of white people?
#89. To: Ferret Mike (#87)
Who's talking about passing laws to 'make things illegal?'
#90. To: A K A Stone (#78)
Should the bagboy be required to walk your groceries to your car. It would "create jobs" as some moron said on this thread.
#91. To: A K A Stone (#89)
"You. You said you support voters passing a law to make it illegal to have self service gas stations. Is your memory that bad?"
#92. To: Ferret Mike (#91)
You are the goofy one here. I said they tried to make it legal to do that. It has never been legal to pump your own gas in Oregon.
#93. To: A K A Stone (#92)
#94. To: A K A Stone (#92)
"I think I'm going to go squash a cockroach."
#95. To: A K A Stone (#78)
(Edited)
Should the bagboy be required to walk your groceries to your car. It would "create jobs" as some moron said on this thread.
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