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Title: Have seen effects of Keystone pipeline
Source: Yuma Sun
URL Source: http://www.yumasun.com/opinion/keystone-76953-yuma-canada.html
Published: Feb 23, 2012
Author: Anthony James Fornof
Post Date: 2012-02-25 23:05:01 by lucysmom
Keywords: None
Views: 44520
Comments: 95

I would like to respond to Charles Davison's Feb. 13 letter to the editor regarding the Keystone XL pipeline.

As a summer resident for some years now of Day County in South Dakota, I have observed firsthand some of the effects of the first Keystone pipeline now in operation.

I am taken aback by Davison's statement that “the dangers of a leaking pipeline into the aquifers is nothing.” It is certainly nothing to him if it is not his water or land being contaminated. Keystone has had 13 leaks on U.S. soil since going operational. One in Day County was not reported to any government agency at the time of the spill. Lucky for Day County residents, it was a somewhat small and contained spill. Canada's part of the Keystone pipeline has had 21 spills.

The jobs have been a fraction of what has been realized.

All of the Native American tribes in our area were opposed to Keystone and are currently opposed to Keystone XL.

Trans Canada (KSPL) got $2.85 million in tax credits and has paid $2.95 million in state property taxes. This is a half to a third of what they projected to pay.

When right-of-way contracts were being negotiated with landowners, they were given the options of taking Trans Canada's deal or were told the right of way would be taken through eminent domain — their property being condemned. This was told to me directly by one of Trans Canada's negotiating agents.

In Davison's letter, he advocates the government mandate the oil be sold domestically. Is he for more government control? Does he realize this oil is not “drilled” for but comes from “open pit” like operations in Canada? Our government does not tell Canada how or where to conduct the exploiting of its natural resources.

Keystone XL oil will be sent to Texas and refined mostly into diesel fuel to be shipped to South American and European markets. Keystone XL will, by most accounts, cause our domestic fuel prices to rise.

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#7. To: lucysmom (#0)

Have seen effects of Keystone pipeline

Want to see the effects of leftard loonytoon eco-moonbats domestic energy policies? Check out the prices at the gas stations, look at the prices of food and everything else skyrocketing because of shipping costs. Look at more layoffs by US industry because it can't make product at a competitive price when their energy bills keep going up higher and higher.

And all this silly shit it unnecessary, it's economic suicide committed for absolutely no logical reason.

Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2012-02-26   5:38:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Happy Quanzaa (#7)

Want to see the effects of leftard loonytoon eco-moonbats domestic energy policies? Check out the prices at the gas stations, look at the prices of...yada, yada, yada.

Ok, 'spane how supply is up, demand is down and prices are rising.

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-26   10:32:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: lucysmom (#12)

Ok, 'spane how supply is up, demand is down and prices are rising.

Environmental over regulation.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-26   10:40:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#13)

Environmental over regulation.

I know that's a Republican talking point - I'm wondering if you really know what that means.

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-26   11:00:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: lucysmom (#15)

I know that's a Republican talking point - I'm wondering if you really know what that means.

It means sometimes they go overboard on the hoops they make a company go through in order to do business in California.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-26   12:14:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#18)

It means sometimes they go overboard on the hoops they make a company go through in order to do business in California.

How does California's environmental regulations impact the Keystone XL pipeline?

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-26   12:30:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: lucysmom (#19)

How does California's environmental regulations impact the Keystone XL pipeline?

We are talking about this quote from you.

"Ok, 'spane how supply is up, demand is down and prices are rising."

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-26   12:35:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#20)

"Ok, 'spane how supply is up, demand is down and prices are rising."

Yeah, what has that got to do with gas prices outside California?

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-26   12:38:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: lucysmom (#21)

Yeah, what has that got to do with gas prices outside California?

Gas prices are higher in California. I can get a gallon for 3.57 today, maybe cheaper. What about California?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-26   12:39:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#23)

"Gas prices are higher in California. I can get a gallon for 3.57 today, maybe cheaper. What about California?"

There are places here in Oregon with a similar price. And here it's illegal to pump your own gas. I haven't pumped my own gasoline in years, they have to hire attendants here to do that.

It should be like that everywhere as it creates good, entry level jobs. And it hasn't led to higher gas prices here.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-26   13:25:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Ferret Mike (#34)

It should be like that everywhere as it creates good, entry level jobs. And it hasn't led to higher gas prices here.

Maybe Kroger should have to hire someone to walk you through the store and put your groceries in the cart huh?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-26   13:29:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: A K A Stone (#37)

Maybe Kroger should have to hire someone to walk you through the store and put your groceries in the cart huh?

Until the early seventies having attendants pump your gas was pretty much the standard across the country.

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-26   13:33:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: mininggold (#40)

Until the early seventies having attendants pump your gas was pretty much the standard across the country.

They pumped gas, checked the oil, added water to the radiator and window washers if needed; same with air in the tires, AND washed your windows. In addition they gave away dishes, sets of flatware, glasses, and toys.

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-26   13:59:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: lucysmom (#56)

"They pumped gas, checked the oil, added water to the radiator and window washers if needed; same with air in the tires, AND washed your windows. In addition they gave away dishes, sets of flatware, glasses, and toys."

I remember that. "You can trust your car to the man who wears the star" was the Texico motto. The lowest price I remember for gas was 19 cents a gallon during the gas price wars of the 1950s.

We bought gas then at the local Esso station. They always checked the oil and tire air pressure. And it was required to be 'service with a smile.'

Good luck getting that today. ;-D

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-26   14:08:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Ferret Mike (#64)

They always checked the oil and tire air pressure. And it was required to be 'service with a smile.'

Oh the oppression!

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-26   14:15:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: lucysmom (#67)

Oh the oppression!

So you would support a nation wide law requireing service station employees to pump your gas? Should the also be required to check your tires, and wash your windshields too?

Should the bagboy be required to walk your groceries to your car. It would "create jobs" as some moron said on this thread.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-26   14:48:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: A K A Stone (#78)

"It would "create jobs" as some moron said on this thread."

And the economy has gotten so much better than it was in the 50s and 60s before automatic tellers, self service gas, and all those other do it yourself amenities, yes? (not)

If you want to prime the pump of any economy, you need jobs at all levels; including easy, entry level ones.

The more we automate jobs out of existence, the more stagnant out economy gets. Jobs that kids can do that teaches them how to be self sufficient workers are not a bad idea.

In fact, only a moron would think otherwise.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-26   14:56:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Ferret Mike (#83)

The more we automate jobs out of existence, the more stagnant out economy gets. Jobs that kids can do that teaches them how to be self sufficient workers are not a bad idea.

In fact, only a moron would think otherwise.

So tell me about your proposed law to make automation illegal to save the jobs. This should be humorous. Go ahead.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-26   14:59:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: A K A Stone (#85)

Who's talking about passing laws to 'make things illegal?'

I believe people don't always thing through the consequences of new ways of doing things. I believe that educating to prompt consumers to demand services be given in another way is the best way to improve things.

For example, I never use an ATM, I always go into the Credit Union and use a human teller. I do the same buying groceries; I use the manned registers, not the automatic ones.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-26   15:07:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Ferret Mike (#87)

Who's talking about passing laws to 'make things illegal?'

You. You said you support voters passing a law to make it illegal to have self service gas stations. Is your memory that bad?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-26   16:27:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: A K A Stone (#89)

"You. You said you support voters passing a law to make it illegal to have self service gas stations. Is your memory that bad?"

You are the goofy one here. I said they tried to make it legal to do that. It has never been legal to pump your own gas in Oregon.

When it came time to make that determination, Oregonians opted not to go there. I actually at the time of the first vote I took part in in the early 1970s I voted for self serve. later on I changed my mind and voted against it on a later vote trying to legalize self serve gas.

You should get your ears cleaned. Somehow you got this all twisted around in your pointy little head. You shouldn't ask if someone is being stupid; you could find out you are the one who just did not listen. As in this case.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-26   16:54:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Ferret Mike (#91)

You are the goofy one here. I said they tried to make it legal to do that. It has never been legal to pump your own gas in Oregon.

Same thing. You support a law limiting self service gas stations. You live in a state of morons. Or an enclave of morons. I think I'm going to go squash a cockroach.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-26   17:01:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#93. To: A K A Stone (#92)

The law would of made it legal to pump gas in Oregon, changing the way it has been since gasoline pumping started. Which is anything but the same thing.

The current laws hurts nothing. If you have a commercial fleet of vehicles, you get an account at a commercial station and you can pump your own using your access card and pin. The sites are unmanned, and located in industrial areas.

The system has been very flexible and works well. And if it's not broken, and people like the way we do things currently, who are you to call them morons just because the majority voted the way you wouldn't?

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-26 17:51:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: A K A Stone (#92)

"I think I'm going to go squash a cockroach."

Who? Newt? Rick? Which one?

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-26 17:52:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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