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Title: Have seen effects of Keystone pipeline
Source: Yuma Sun
URL Source: http://www.yumasun.com/opinion/keystone-76953-yuma-canada.html
Published: Feb 23, 2012
Author: Anthony James Fornof
Post Date: 2012-02-25 23:05:01 by lucysmom
Keywords: None
Views: 44401
Comments: 95

I would like to respond to Charles Davison's Feb. 13 letter to the editor regarding the Keystone XL pipeline.

As a summer resident for some years now of Day County in South Dakota, I have observed firsthand some of the effects of the first Keystone pipeline now in operation.

I am taken aback by Davison's statement that “the dangers of a leaking pipeline into the aquifers is nothing.” It is certainly nothing to him if it is not his water or land being contaminated. Keystone has had 13 leaks on U.S. soil since going operational. One in Day County was not reported to any government agency at the time of the spill. Lucky for Day County residents, it was a somewhat small and contained spill. Canada's part of the Keystone pipeline has had 21 spills.

The jobs have been a fraction of what has been realized.

All of the Native American tribes in our area were opposed to Keystone and are currently opposed to Keystone XL.

Trans Canada (KSPL) got $2.85 million in tax credits and has paid $2.95 million in state property taxes. This is a half to a third of what they projected to pay.

When right-of-way contracts were being negotiated with landowners, they were given the options of taking Trans Canada's deal or were told the right of way would be taken through eminent domain — their property being condemned. This was told to me directly by one of Trans Canada's negotiating agents.

In Davison's letter, he advocates the government mandate the oil be sold domestically. Is he for more government control? Does he realize this oil is not “drilled” for but comes from “open pit” like operations in Canada? Our government does not tell Canada how or where to conduct the exploiting of its natural resources.

Keystone XL oil will be sent to Texas and refined mostly into diesel fuel to be shipped to South American and European markets. Keystone XL will, by most accounts, cause our domestic fuel prices to rise.

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#7. To: lucysmom (#0)

Have seen effects of Keystone pipeline

Want to see the effects of leftard loonytoon eco-moonbats domestic energy policies? Check out the prices at the gas stations, look at the prices of food and everything else skyrocketing because of shipping costs. Look at more layoffs by US industry because it can't make product at a competitive price when their energy bills keep going up higher and higher.

And all this silly shit it unnecessary, it's economic suicide committed for absolutely no logical reason.

Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2012-02-26   5:38:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Happy Quanzaa (#7)

Want to see the effects of leftard loonytoon eco-moonbats domestic energy policies? Check out the prices at the gas stations, look at the prices of...yada, yada, yada.

Ok, 'spane how supply is up, demand is down and prices are rising.

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-26   10:32:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: lucysmom (#12)

Ok, 'spane how supply is up, demand is down and prices are rising.

Environmental over regulation.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-26   10:40:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#13)

Environmental over regulation.

I know that's a Republican talking point - I'm wondering if you really know what that means.

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-26   11:00:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: lucysmom (#15)

I know that's a Republican talking point - I'm wondering if you really know what that means.

It means sometimes they go overboard on the hoops they make a company go through in order to do business in California.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-26   12:14:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#18)

It means sometimes they go overboard on the hoops they make a company go through in order to do business in California.

How does California's environmental regulations impact the Keystone XL pipeline?

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-26   12:30:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: lucysmom (#19)

How does California's environmental regulations impact the Keystone XL pipeline?

We are talking about this quote from you.

"Ok, 'spane how supply is up, demand is down and prices are rising."

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-26   12:35:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#20)

"Ok, 'spane how supply is up, demand is down and prices are rising."

Yeah, what has that got to do with gas prices outside California?

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-26   12:38:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: lucysmom (#21)

Yeah, what has that got to do with gas prices outside California?

Gas prices are higher in California. I can get a gallon for 3.57 today, maybe cheaper. What about California?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-26   12:39:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#23)

"Gas prices are higher in California. I can get a gallon for 3.57 today, maybe cheaper. What about California?"

There are places here in Oregon with a similar price. And here it's illegal to pump your own gas. I haven't pumped my own gasoline in years, they have to hire attendants here to do that.

It should be like that everywhere as it creates good, entry level jobs. And it hasn't led to higher gas prices here.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-26   13:25:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Ferret Mike (#34)

There are places here in Oregon with a similar price. And here it's illegal to pump your own gas.

There must be a whole bunch of morons there for a law like that.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-26   13:28:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#36)

It's the way people here want it. They have tried to make self serve legal time to time, but the people always vote such measures down.

The same with a sales tax, we have never had one. They have never been able to pass a measure making one. Again, it's the preference of the people in this state.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-26   13:33:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Ferret Mike (#39)

It's the way people here want it. They have tried to make self serve legal time to time, but the people always vote such measures down.

Maybe people in your state are just to stupid to pump it themselves. Or are they lazy and stuck up?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-26   13:35:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: A K A Stone (#41)

Maybe people in your state are just to stupid to pump it themselves. Or are they lazy and stuck up?

I thought you guys just loved those good old days. Was your grandfather lazy and stuck up too?

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-26   13:36:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: mininggold (#43)

I thought you guys just loved those good old days. Was your grandfather lazy and stuck up too?

It is about freedom baby. Freedom to choose. A law that says you can't pump your own gas is undue interference in a private business.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-26   13:40:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: A K A Stone (#46)

It is about freedom baby. Freedom to choose.

Yep, the people of Oregon got to choose and they chose no self serve. No one makes anyone live in Oregon.

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-26   13:44:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: mininggold (#49)

Yep, the people of Oregon got to choose and they chose no self serve.

Freedom doesn't mean other assholes voting to take your freedom away.

That isn't free at all. Are you really that dumb?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-26   13:57:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: A K A Stone (#54) (Edited)

Freedom doesn't mean other assholes voting to take your freedom away.

That isn't free at all. Are you really that dumb?

Since no one forces anyone to live in Oregon, the only alternative is to mount a campaign to have the laws changed if one wants to stay there inspite of such heinous restrictions on their freedoms.

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-26   14:02:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: mininggold (#59)

...inspite of such heinous restrictions on their freedoms.

I'm willing to sacrifice the freedom to pump my own gas - guess that's what makes me a libtard.

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-26   14:12:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: lucysmom (#66)

I'm willing to sacrifice the freedom to pump my own gas - guess that's what makes me a libtard.

My grandmother said she hated that freedom after almost every gas station turned self serve.

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-26   14:20:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: mininggold (#69)

My grandmother said she hated that freedom after almost every gas station turned self serve.

Particularly in the rain or on a cold morning, I bet.

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-26   14:23:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: lucysmom (#71) (Edited)

Last time I drive to California, I let my nephew do the fuel pumping. I'm so unused to doing that chore I am not sure of all the nuances to it anymore.

I'd probably leave the gas cap on the roof of the car anyway and lose it when I drive off. You know how dumb us Oregonians are . ;-D

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-26   14:28:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Ferret Mike (#73)

Last time I drive to California, I let my nephew do the fuel pumping. I'm so unused to doing that chore I am not sure of all the nuances to it anymore.

I'd probably leave the gas cap on the roof of the car anyway and lose it when I drive off. You know how dumb us Oregonians are . ;-D

One tip. After you have finished pumping and the pump is turned off, there is still some gas in the hose that you can tap.

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-26   14:32:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: mininggold (#76)

"One tip. After you have finished pumping and the pump is turned off, there is still some gas in the hose that you can tap."

I use more gas in the Winter. Lately I buy 10-20 dollars worth a week. I use a Burley trailer to get groceries home and do what shopping I can bu bicycle, but I need the car for a couple of things during the week when I do volunteer work for older folks. In the summer I do use the Ford Windstar to take m booth and goods down to the Saturday Market. I sell hand craft items there.

Thanks for the tip. I'm sure I'll use it sometime the next time I.m out of state. I went to Connecticut last summer, but I wound up flying, and relatives there did most the driving when I was there.

It was harder to use my bicycle on the road system back there. It was good to get back to Eugene and it's top quality bicycle path and route system.

I don't like living anywhere I can't ride a bicycle to do what I need to do.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-26   14:49:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#81. To: Ferret Mike (#79)

I use more gas in the Winter. Lately I buy 10-20 dollars worth a week.

I use at least 20 a day.

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